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Bombings, Mass Attacks, Terrorism, etc - Catch all thread

Sep 15, 2017#1

Eriol

There's a number of threads out there, one per attack. Here's a thread we can keep them all in together, much like the Mass Shootings (that aren't terrorist-related, presumably) thread. Here's the thread for any attacks that are THOUGHT to be terrorism at the time they happened.

Starting it off, London, September 15, 2017: Bomb blast on London subway injures 29, treated as ‘terrorist incident’

Apparently lots of injuries, but no reported deaths yet, which will no doubt be the exception for this thread, but still, I'd say it qualifies under most other criteria. Bombs are just about always (though not 100% I'll concede, Unibomber for instance, though that was still political as opposed to something else) terrorism, and thus this thread.

Sep 18, 2017#2

Eriol

Update on this: Yahyah Farroukh: First pictures of Parsons Green attack suspect as two men questioned over Tube bombing

An 18-year-old man was arrested on Saturday morning in Dover, where he was reportedly attempting to buy a ferry ticket to Calais, and a 21-year-old suspect was later detained in Hounslow. The second suspect has been identified locally as Yahyah Farroukh, whose Facebook page says he comes from the Syrian capital of Damascus. He and the teenager, who has not yet been identified, are believed to have been taken in at different times by a British couple known for their dedication to fostering.

Penelope and Ronald Jones, aged 71 and 88 respectively, were made MBEs for services to children and families in 2009 and have fostered hundreds of children.

...

Isis claimed responsibility for the attempted massacre, which it claimed was carried out by “soldiers of the caliphate”. Less than two hours before the explosion, a young man was caught on CCTV leaving the Jones’ home carrying a Lidl bag similar to that containing the device.

...

Ian Harvey, a local politician, said he understood an 18-year-old Iraqi orphan was living with Mr and Mrs Jones, having moved to Britain aged 15 after his parents died.

...

Farroukh is believed to have come from near Damascus, fleeing Syria via Egypt and arriving in Europe in late 2013, and is thought to have a cousin who lives in Scotland with his children. He and the 18-year-old remain in custody as they are questioned on suspicion of terror offences.

I pulled out what I thought was the most important information about the suspects.

Also, stupid trend in news articles these days for one paragraph per sentence, even when things are tightly related. Makes it a horror show to quote and also to read.

Edit: typo

Sep 18, 2017#3

Gruebeard

Eriol said:
Also, stupid trend in news articles these days for one paragraph per sentence, even when things are tightly related.

There are times I suspect you've never read a newspaper.

Sep 18, 2017#4

Eriol

Gruebeard said:
There are times I suspect you've never read a newspaper.

Most of the "free" ones are the format that you quoted. Many of the "pay" ones are USUALLY better. Hardly universally, but it DOES happen.

Sep 18, 2017#5

Gruebeard

Eriol said:
Most of the "free" ones are the format that you quoted. Many of the "pay" ones are USUALLY better. Hardly universally, but it DOES happen.

No. I mean a newspaper. Like, a real paper and ink newspaper.

I can't recall a time when they didn't use mostly 1 sentence paragraph; and when they aren't 1 sentence, they're rarely more than 2 sentences long.

Sep 18, 2017#6

Eriol

Gruebeard said:
No. I mean a newspaper. Like, a real paper and ink newspaper.

I can't recall a time when they didn't use mostly 1 sentence paragraph; and when they aren't 1 sentence, they're rarely more than 2 sentences long.

That's what I meant. National Post, Globe, etc, are pay paper-and-ink newspapers. And then there's the "urban-type" papers that are usually free. I was responding to what you were saying.

Sep 18, 2017#7

jwhouk

AP style, IIRC.

Oct 31, 2017#8

Denbrought

CNN: Truck in Manhattan plows into cyclists; up to 6 dead, police sources say

The driver of a truck drove the wrong way down the West Side Highway bike path for several blocks on the lower west side of Manhattan on Tuesday afternoon, striking people and leaving up to six people dead, according to two senior law enforcement sources at the New York Police Department.

The driver exited the vehicle displaying imitation firearms and was shot by police, according to the NYPD. The individual is in police custody and is being taken to the hospital for treatment, sources at the NYPD said, adding that police are considering terrorism as part of the investigation.

There were several fatalities and numerous people injured, NYPD said in a tweet. Two senior law enforcement sources added that it appears to be deliberate act.

Situation very hazy, I'm sure some/all of this is wrong.

Oct 31, 2017#9

SpecialKO

Scary part is, he did it mostly in front of Stuyvesant High. As school was letting out. A friend of mine teaches there, but she seems to be okay, thank God.

Oct 31, 2017#10

DarkAudit

Twitter nazis are using this to justify the travel ban... but the suspect isn't from any of those places.

Nov 1, 2017#11

Eriol

Death toll updated to 8, with 13 (last I saw) injured, most seriously.

Decent article about what's known (not a lot) about the suspect himself: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/what-we-know-about-nyc-attack-suspect-sayfullo-saipov-1.3658269

Short version:

Aged 29, From Uzbekistan, came legally to the USA in 2010
Florida drivers license, but addresses in Ohio, Florida, and some time spent in New Jersey.
Worked for Uber for 6 months, but wasn't currently
Evidence of a marriage license in 2013, but no word on where wife is.

Nov 1, 2017#12

Eriol

Cuomo was on TV this morning saying that they found a note in the truck supporting ISIS

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo says investigators probing the deadly truck attack Tuesday along a popular Manhattan bike path near the World Trade Center have a note referencing ISIS that was left by the driver.

Nov 1, 2017#13

PatrThom

Found a note "referencing" ISIS.
I mean, for all we know, the note could say "I hate ISIS don't let anyone think I did this to support ISIS I'm just a crazy bastard" and the media could still technically say it "referenced ISIS."

--Patrick

Nov 1, 2017#14

GasBandit

The plans were laid out by ISIS and he planned the attack weeks in advance.

Nov 1, 2017#15

Celt Z

He then exited the vehicle brandishing what turned out to be a paint-ball gun and a pellet gun before a police officer shot him in the abdomen.

I feel like not every part of this plan was thought-out.

(Unless he was assuming he'd go out in a "blaze of glory" rather thsn be taken alive, but wrong on both coubts, asshole.)

Nov 5, 2017#16

Frank

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/tex...shooting-baptist-church-town-near-san-antonio

20+ dead so far.

Trump didn't immediately call for the destruction of ISIS so I imagine the shooter is white.

Nov 5, 2017#17

Dave

Muslim = terrorist: TRAVEL BAN!!
Mexican or Hispanic: GANG MEMBER! DRUG RUNNER! BUILD THE WALL!
Black: CHICAGO CRIME! BLM MEMBER! GANG MEMBER! THUG!
White: Lone wolf. Mental problems. Let's not jump to conclusions or politicize this. This is not the time to discuss guns.

Nov 5, 2017#18

GasBandit

Dave said:
Muslim = terrorist: TRAVEL BAN!!
Mexican or Hispanic: GANG MEMBER! DRUG RUNNER! BUILD THE WALL!
Black: CHICAGO CRIME! BLM MEMBER! GANG MEMBER! THUG!
White: Lone wolf. Mental problems. Let's not jump to conclusions or politicize this. This is not the time to discuss guns.

Well, neither were the other three.

Nov 5, 2017#19

PatrThom

Plus if a Muslim guy goes into a mosque and blows himself up, well, that's just a thing that happened way over in Brownland.

--Patrick

Nov 24, 2017#20

chris

Does anybody know what happened in London?

Police were responding to a "customer incident" and closed up Oxford Circus including Bond St Tube station, advising people to stay in buildings and avoid the area.

The official channels and the BBC only calling it "the incident" so it can be anything.

Nov 24, 2017#21

Gruebeard

chris said:
Does anybody know what happened in London?

Police were responding to a "customer incident" and closed up Oxford Circus including Bond St Tube station, advising people to stay in buildings and avoid the area.

The official channels and the BBC only calling it "the incident" so it can be anything.

It looks like a false alarm

Nov 27, 2017#22

TommiR

There has been a suspected ISIS terrorist attack on a mosque in the Sinai, leaving 305 people dead.

This may be a bit unusual for the region. There has been a long history of terrorist groups targeting the government, but few attacks where they have targeted the general muslim population. Though with the upsurge of jihadist thinking in Egyt, plus the situation of the bedouins in the north of Sinai, I suppose you get fertile ground for the spread of radical thought.

Nov 27, 2017#23

Dave

This happened a couple of days ago and a few of my Muslim friends on Facebook are rightly wondering where all the support is. For example, no Egyptian flag pictures, nobody is changing their avatar, the Eiffel Tower did not put up the Egyptian colors, etc.

Nov 27, 2017#24

TommiR

Happened on Friday if I recall, but I've seen surprisingly little on the webs about it. 300+ people dead is rather a lot for a single attack.

Of course, last Friday had the Black Friday sales. Might explain a bit.

Nov 27, 2017#25

PatrThom

I was surprised I didn't see something in this thread on that day. Reddit was all afire about it (if you could find it between the Net Neutrality posts).

--Patrick

Nov 27, 2017#26

Gruebeard

TommiR said:
Happened on Friday if I recall, but I've seen surprisingly little on the webs about it. 300+ people dead is rather a lot for a single attack.

Of course, last Friday had the Black Friday sales. Might explain a bit.

Aye, it happened on the same day as the London incident. It was overshadowed by a false alarm - not really. I've seen plenty of coverage on the news and in the papers.

Nov 27, 2017#27

TommiR

Well, I saw the articles in the major news outlets that I follow, though I know of coverage of it back home. Still, saw less attention devoted to it over the days than I would have expected. At least that is my impression, YMMV.

Of course, if the interest shown by the public is, by and large, too little to warrant meaningful resources dedicated to continuing coverage of the story, the media would soon put the affair on the back burner and move on to covering other things.

Nov 27, 2017#28

PatrThom

Dave said:
This happened a couple of days ago and a few of my Muslim friends on Facebook are rightly wondering where all the support is. For example, no Egyptian flag pictures, nobody is changing their avatar, the Eiffel Tower did not put up the Egyptian colors, etc.

Hey, like I already said:

PatrThom said:
Plus if a Muslim guy goes into a mosque and blows himself up, well, that's just a thing that happened way over in Brownland.

—Patrick

Nov 27, 2017#29

Bubble181

It's a sad thing, perhaps, but attacks in the Middle East and Central Asia will get less coverage for a good long while to come - there are just too many.
There have been over a dozen attacks with 200+ dead in the last few months. But, for "the people", that's in a galaxy far, far away.

Nov 27, 2017#30

GasBandit

PatrThom said:
Hey, like I already said:

—Patrick

Nov 27, 2017#31

PatrThom

Well for that to be true, people would also have to get up in arms whenever a lily white person gets killed in ... hhhheeeeyyyyyyyyyyy...

—Patrick

Nov 27, 2017#32

TommiR

Bubble181 said:
It's a sad thing, perhaps, but attacks in the Middle East and Central Asia will get less coverage for a good long while to come - there are just too many.

There have been over a dozen attacks with 200+ dead in the last few months. But, for "the people", that's in a galaxy far, far away.

Assuming we are still talking about individual incidents of islamic terror, could you cite a few of those 200+ dead attacks? I do not seem to be able to find all that many. I'm using Wikipedia and the anti-islamic terror Religion of Peace as sources.

A few mass graves have been discovered in areas liberated from ISIS rule, but, though I haven't delved too much into those stories, most of the graves containing hundreds of bodies seem to be the result of the sites being used for executions over a period of time, instead of single incidents.

Nov 27, 2017#33

GasBandit

TommiR said:
Assuming we are still talking about individual incidents of islamic terror, could you cite a few of those 200+ dead attacks? I do not seem to be able to find all that many. I'm using Wikipedia and the anti-islamic terror Religion of Peace as sources.

A few mass graves have been discovered in areas liberated from ISIS rule, but, though I haven't delved too much into those stories, most of the graves containing hundreds of bodies seem to be the result of the sites being used for executions over a period of time, instead of single incidents.

I think he meant there have been over a dozen attacks, totalling more than 200 dead.

Nov 27, 2017#34

TommiR

That is pretty much business as normal. But 300+ dead in a single attack?

Well, I guess an incident needs something special to attract the interest of the world. Kidnapping women and girls to take as wives is commonplace in the peripheries of Nigeria, and has been for centuries. And then the world goes apeshit over a couple of hundred schoolgirls from Chibok, when pretty much the only unusual element in that is the number of girls taken at one time.

But I suppose the idea of teenage girls forcibly taken from their school and forced to become wives for their captors better strikes a nerve in the western mindset than a bunch of muslims getting massacred in a mosque.

Nov 27, 2017#35

Bubble181

No, I meant incidents with such numbers. I haven't kept a tally, neot am I in a place to research now, but off the top of my head, I recall at least one car bombing in Baghdad and an attack on a market in Aleppo, both having over 200 victims.

Nov 27, 2017#36

blotsfan

GasBandit said:

What the fuck

Dec 11, 2017#37

Eriol

Device explodes on NYC subway platform

A pipe bomb that was strapped to a man went off in the New York City subway near the Times Square area of Manhattan on Monday, injuring the suspect and another person on the platform at the height of the morning rush hour, law enforcement officials said.

The person on the platform was being treated for non-life-threatening injuries.

Another person on the platform sustained non-life-threatening injuries

The officials spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the incident.

The explosion, which happened around 7:30 a.m., triggered a massive emergency response by New York police and fire both above and below ground, tangling subway and bus service at the nearby Port Authority bus terminal.

So given that this is only ~2hrs after said incident, not much information right now.

Dec 11, 2017#38

GasBandit

Heard Mayor De Blasio on the radio, naming the suspect as Akayed Ullah, 27 years old, and saying that this was an attempted act of terror.

Dec 11, 2017#39

Eriol

GasBandit said:
Heard Mayor De Blasio on the radio, naming the suspect as Akayed Ullah, 27 years old, and saying that this was an attempted act of terror.

Here's a link and quote on that:

The suspect was identified as 27-year-old Akayed Ullah.

Law enforcement officials said he was inspired by the Islamic State group but had apparently not had any direct contact with the group. The officials said he lives in Brooklyn and may be of Bangladeshi descent. The officials spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the blast.

Dec 11, 2017#40

Celt Z

Not to sound selfish, but when I saw this this morning, my first thought was, "I am so glad Mr. Z doesn't have to commute into the city anymore.". We both used to take the bus into Port, then hop on the subway there, although it's been a while since I've had to do it.

Edit: I should point out that would have been around the time he usually got into the city, too.

Dec 11, 2017#41

GasBandit

Celt Z said:
Not to sound selfish, but when I saw this this morning, my first thought was, "I am so glad Mr. Z doesn't have to commute into the city anymore.". We both used to take the bus into Port, then hop on the subway there, although it's been a while since I've had to do it.

Edit: I should point out that would have been around the time he usually got into the city, too.

I don't think anybody would call that selfish.

Dec 11, 2017#42

PatrThom

I used to live practically right on that corner (43&8).
That news hits a little bit harder as a result.

—Patrick

Dec 11, 2017#43

Frank

At least it was mostly incompetent terrorism. Unless my info's out of date, wasn't there only one injury, other than the bomber himself?

Dec 11, 2017#44

Eriol

Frank said:
At least it was mostly incompetent terrorism. Unless my info's out of date, wasn't there only one injury, other than the bomber himself?

The last thing I saw said 4, though IIRC it was bomber (maybe survive, maybe not), one other person some shrapnel, and two (or more) with probably only hearing damage. Now I don't mean to downplay hearing damage, as that would suck a lot, but it's still not as severe as some other possibilities.

Regardless, the most fatalities I've heard is possible is 1, but I don't think the guy's dead yet, and may not ever be dead due to injuries from this.

Dec 11, 2017#45

Celt Z

PatrThom said:
I used to live practically right on that corner (43&8).
That news hits a little bit harder as a result.

—Patrick

Weird, I used to live at 43rd and 9th. First Linden, now this. Stop following me around!

Dec 11, 2017#46

PatrThom

Celt Z said:
Weird, I used to live at 43rd and 9th. First Linden, now this. Stop following me around!

Mostly, I’m flattered that you remembered Linden.

—Patrick

Dec 11, 2017#47

MindDetective

PatrThom said:
Mostly, I’m flattered that you remembered Linden, senpai!

—Patrick

Dec 11, 2017#48

PatrThom

Not Linden, specifically, but that I used to live there.
I’m sure Linden is also flattered that you remember it.

—Patrick

Dec 11, 2017#49

Celt Z

PatrThom said:
Not Linden, specifically, but that I used to live there.
I’m sure Linden is also flattered that you remember it.

—Patrick

I knew what you meant.

Linden's usually passive-agressive to me anyway. "Oh, so you DO remember me? Maybe I don't want to be remembered."

Dec 12, 2017#50

Eriol

Headline says it: Man charged with terror counts after NYC subway bomb attack

A bit more "concrete" info in the article on number of injuries and such, along with a bit about his family and travel history.

On another note, look for this incident to be used to reduce the "Chain Migration" thing, as well as the "Visa lottery" as supposedly he came into the USA because his relative was already there, and the relative was only there because of the lottery. I'm actually kind of surprised that there hasn't been more rhetoric from politicians on both fronts. I'm guessing we'll see that soon.

Dec 12, 2017#51

GasBandit

And, of course, because the NYPD has to fuck up even an open and shut case handed to them on a silver platter, the family of the bomber is saying they pulled a teenager (they didn't specify the teen's relation) out of class and questioned him/her without the presence of his/her parents during their investigation.

Might just be distraction, but really, would anybody be surprised if the NYPD did?

Dec 12, 2017#52

strawman

GasBandit said:
And, of course, because the NYPD has to fuck up even an open and shut case handed to them on a silver platter, the family of the bomber is saying they pulled a teenager (they didn't specify the teen's relation) out of class and questioned him/her without the presence of his/her parents during their investigation.

Might just be distraction, but really, would anybody be surprised if the NYPD did?

That's happened to my kids.

The laws have become, step by step and in small ways each year, a way for schools to claim legal guardianship while students are inside them (under the laws that allow schools to lock children inside in the first place and require even parents to pass through the office before entering the school).

These same laws intended to protect kids from intruders also provide the schools and government access to the children without legal or parental supervision or presence, or even notification.

When it happened to us the first time we were only clued in because school employees knew us and choose to alert us (they were not under specific instructions not to alert us, but they aren't required to either).

So it's already a done deal, legally. About the only recourse is public shaming of the police/school when it happens, and that doesn't go very far because they're not going to change the laws back.

We simply have additional instruction for our children. The younger ones know to tell us, and if they ever feel unsafe to ask for us. The older ones know they have rights, and when to exercise them if they choose to do so.

The democrat who explained years ago that the government should have more power over children than parents (and was then ousted because she said it publicly) wasn't kidding - she was simply expressing a desire of their platform.

It's a state issue, though, not federal, so this is different in each state. I don't know what the law is in NY, but I'm sure the CA law is at least as bad as the law here in michigan.

The school gun attacks have definitely had a result, despite those wanting gun law change, but the changes (I believe) hurt all families rather than keeping them safer.

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