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Three minutes into the premiere, and I already notice something. Not only does Walt look like Gordon Freeman, HE HAS A CROWBAR!

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I can't breathe

I don't know what to do with my hands

Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck

shit


fuck


aaahhhhhhhhh

Tread lightly.

Just posted this in media.

Frank said:

Holy shit, trying to watch Dexter (something I've been doing so far this season that feels like a chore more than actual enjoyment) after Breaking Bad was like being asked to saw off my dick directly after receiving the world's greatest blowjob.

Looks like you're out Dex.

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Frank said:

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Seriously. Breaking Bad just made it so obvious how dull Dexter has become.

Piotyr said:

Tread lightly.

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THISSSSSSSS!!!!!!!111

DAMN! What a great show.

Sunday cannot come soon enough.

This is an amazing video montage.

Spoilers up through all but the second half of the last season (which we're on now) so, you know, be warned.

Badger's Star Trek script in animated form!

I haven't watched the show at all, but I know enough to know that this is hilarious*.

--Patrick
*If you don't live in America.

This show has the best cast.



How the show will really end.

That last episode was... The ending of it... Man I'm freaking out.

Finally got caught up. That last episode...

Dang, the White family's Thanksgiving is going to be awkward this year.

I had to stop watching it for about an hour after the Hank bit.

You know, I like reading the AV Club reviews and the comments because you can get some good insightful commentary in there (fucking shocker) sometimes. This episode, nothing but Walt Jr. breakfast "jokes". That didn't stop being funny fucking years ago. God damn internet.

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Even bleeding on the desert floor and about to die, Hank was an uncompromising badass.

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Dude man and that was just the first 20. That episode was rough the whole way through.

So I'm just gonna go ahead with what I think is going to happen (which inevitably won't be close to correct:

blotsfan said:

So I'm just gonna go ahead with what I think is going to happen (which inevitably won't be close to correct:

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Walter goes back to kill the Nazis and save Jesse. Jesse (understandably) does not like Walter very much. Emotional conversation where Jesse forgives him, only to find that he actually used the ricin on Walt. Walt accepts his fate, goes to see his family one last time and tells them he's going to die and leaves them the money. He kills himself before the poison takes over, but the autopsy finds the poison in him, which causes Marie to get arrested for killing him (remember she mentioned looking up poisons to her therapist).

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I'm not gonna spoiler this because it's based entirely on knowledge of the show up to date and writing this is more effort than typing spoiler tags so I'm not even sure why I did it instead of spoiler tags.

@blotsfan Solid theory, but Walt needs to find out that Jesse isn't dead first since as far as he currently knows, Jesse has a bullet in his head.

Anybody else hear that Saul is getting his own spin-off series? I'm looking forward to his and Huell's new adventures together.

The Huell emoticon... /-_-\

They're also doing a Walking Dead spinoff because, fuck it, who needs new innovative programming?

Frank said:

I'm not gonna spoiler this because it's based entirely on knowledge of the show up to date and writing this is more effort than typing spoiler tags so I'm not even sure why I did it instead of spoiler tags.

@blotsfan Solid theory, but Walt needs to find out that Jesse isn't dead first since as far as he currently knows, Jesse has a bullet in his head.

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Yeah, like Timmus said I meant that he'll find Jesse when killing nazis. Not that his motivation for going there is to save him.

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Solid theory except that I think walt doses himself with the ricin. I'm not seeing a plausible way for it to change hands from walt to Jesse where Jesse can poison him. Also I don't think Walt thinks Jesse is alive and will probably stumble upon him while he is exacting revenge against the Nazi's.

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Yeah, that makes some sense.

blotsfan said:

Yeah, like Timmus said I meant that he'll find Jesse when killing nazis. Not that his motivation for going there is to save him.

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I posted before reading Timmus' post. I should have done that.

Every episode this season is holyfuckier than the last.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/breaking-bad-director-doing-death-629957

The Baby Holly moment with Walt in the restroom was a standout moment. How did that work out so well?

We got really lucky, actually. You can't really direct a baby. We were playing at the scene, and originally as written it was just going to be a beat where Bryan lifts Baby Holly up to eye level, and just looking at her Walt has this change of heart and realizes he can't do it. He lifted up the baby, and the baby's mom was three feet away behind the camera, and the baby had eye contact with the mom, and she started saying the word "mama" over and over. Bryan used it and played it perfectly. Obviously the baby was brilliant, but the credit goes to Bryan for using that and playing off of it so well. That's the sort of thing you can never plan, and you have to go with it when it happens.

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Bryan Cranston is getting every Emmy ever made for the next 19 years.

And give one to the baby too.

WOW. They keep topping themselves. What a jaw droppingly awesome episode.

Man, all that happened in that episode, and to me, the most heart wrenching scene was the baby saying "Mama" repeatedly.

Piotyr said:

Man, all that happened in that episode, and to me, the most heart wrenching scene was the baby saying "Mama" repeatedly.

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onions bro, onions.

It's funny, when I saw that I just thought "what convenient timing." Turns out it was

Man, that scene.... my wife and I both wanted to go wake our daughter up and hug her.

Fuck Skyler.

Jay said:

Fuck Skyler.

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perfection

I do not understand the Skyler hate.

Frank said:

I do not understand the Skylar hate.

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short answer: misogyny


long answer: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html?_r=0

It's just generally gross.

I didn't like Skyler when she was taking the moral high ground with Walter when she was no saint, but I'd say she's proven herself to be a better person as of now.

And I don't think its misogyny. I think its because she opposes the protagonist who we've followed and rooted for for five seasons (though I don't think many people are still rooting for Walter).

#TeamWalt on Twitter definitely says otherwise.

Well thats awful. Guess I had too much faith. He's really not sympathetic anymore.

I like Skylar as a character. I think people may not like her because, most of the scenes with her are uncomfortable. Painfully so. And that really speaks to the acting power of both Anna Gunn and Bryan Cranston, because moments between the two characters -are- painfully uncomfortable.

It's kinda like watching your parents fight.

I'm rooting for Walter....

















...to make better choices. Too bad that ship sailed long ago.

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I'm rooting for Walter....

















...to make better choices. Too bad that ship sailed long ago.

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He exonerated Skyler and gave up Holly without incident. It's not much, but it's one decent choice.

Yeah, I guess the thing that confuses me about the Skylar hate is that I think they only way you can "hate" her is by not enjoying a rich, complex character. She's not a character the writers use to annoy the audience by having her just randomly do things to throw a wrench in the plot (see: Andrea from Walking Dead), she's a character that acts human, does human things, is often strong and equally as often weak.

Thats good storytelling right there, and it's ok if she causes frustration for being human, Walter does too. I think the thing that makes people have to bring up misogyny here is the WAY in which people react to her and I can't say it's not misogyny. I guess I don't know but considering how misogynistic our culture is in general it wouldn't surprise me.

Charlie Don't Surf said:

short answer: misogyny


long answer: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html?_r=0

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As usual, you're an idiot.

Can we stop falling back on hating a character because they're a woman nonsense?

If the main character was a bad-ass female in charge of something illegal and seedy and she was married to a fun-blocker husband, with terribly long drawn out scenes that are the weakest link to the show, people would hate him just as much as Skyler. The better you make the main character, the more people hate ANYONE who gets in their way of entertaining the fans.

Tony Soprano and Dexter are the same way. They're evil sons of bitches but we love them. Both have annoying fun-blockers that drew away from people really wanted. Anyone who fun-blocks the characters are immediately despised and hated, no matter how morally righteous and good they are.

That's why I hate the character of Skyler. So fuck her.

On top of that...

She has had all the opportunity in the world to enforce the moral high ground she pretends to have and turn Walt in and she doesn't. She takes dirty money and gives it to her lover (a lover she fucked in spite of her husband), all while pretending to be a "good person". She becomes an accomplice to Walt's business even though she knows it is wrong. She has had opportunities to get her kids away from Walt and didn't take them. Let's not even go into hoping "the cancer to come back".

If that makes Skylar "non-archetypal" and "strong", well then I'll just eat my hat.

She only did what she did the last episode to turn her entire family against Walt (with no explanations of his actions) because Walt was in a bad place and attacked HIM with a knife, a crime they lied about and state he attacked her with the knife.

Misogyny my ass.

It has nothing to do with her being a woman.

She's a bitch and I hates her you twit.

Jay said:

She's a bitch

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"Fun-blocker"

Walt, having so much fun watching Jane die, murdering dozens directly and indirectly, melting a kid in an acid barrel, blowing up a nursing home, poisoning a child, raping his wife, supplying an insanely addictive drug at higher purity than anyone else can, I'm not cheering for him.

Jay said:

She only did what she did the last episode to turn her entire family against Walt (with no explanations of his actions) because Walt was in a bad place and attacked HIM with a knife, a crime they lied about and state he attacked her with the knife.

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They had just found out that he directly (or indirectly since Walt was his usual lying, vague self) just caused the death of their brother in law and uncle respectively...of course, this is after his son also had only just learned he's a murdering drug lord. It was the, "I've had alls I can stands and I can stands no more." abusive relationship moment.

That we can feel sympathy for Walt at all just goes to the writing of the show.

Jay said:

It has nothing to do with her being a woman.

She's a bitch and I hates her

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Frank said:

They had just found out that he directly (or indirectly since Walt was his usual lying, vague self) just caused the death of their brother in law and uncle respectively...of course, this is after his son also had only just learned he's a murdering drug lord. It was the, "I've had alls I can stands and I can stands no more." abusive relationship moment.

That we can feel sympathy for Walt at all just goes to the writing of the show.

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Absolutely, great writing in general.

Here's a retort.

Why blame Walt when it is obviously not him who was in control of the situation that happened in the desert? Hank set him up and Walt already retired and decided to give up peacefully when he clearly had other options. Marie knew this and they even "made fun of Walt's situation" when they spoke. Hank setup the time and place where he died with no control coming from Walt. Walt tried to stop it but in the end was powerless to do so.

We can't blame him for what happened any more than we can blame everyone else who was involved.

As far as abusive relationship goes, I don't think it really was. Skyler was no angel herself and in many ways caused herself a lot of hardships.

When she found out that Walt was "arrested", she was quick to play the innocent, oh woe is me, role when clearly she wasn't. As mentioned before, she can't take the high ground when she was as involved as she was.

Either way, fuck Skyler. She's a bitch and that's all folks.






For the other "replies."



Not going to waste any more energy on clarifying more than already spent.

Rape.... lol

Are we going to assume that Skylar was watching the episode too, and thus knows exactly what happened in the desert?

Yes, we -can- blame Walt. Because Walt is the monster that leads all other events. And Walt hasn't exactly been verbose when telling Skylar what's going on.

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As far as abusive relationship goes, I don't think it really was.

She's a bitch and that's all folks.


Rape.... lol

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I don't even have to point out the subtext

Before I came to read a lot of people didn't like Skyler online, I was not a fan of her character in the earlier seasons. The later seasons I don't mind her as much, I think the issue that set me to not like her in at least season 1 and 2 was the actress has or can summon for the purposes of Skyler; Resting Bitchy Face. That with the fact that the early season scenes that have that uncomfortable mood(As Ravenpoe mentioned) just amplify off each other.

I like Marie's character and IIRC she started off with darker secrets then Skyler, she also got on Hank's back on occasion, she has other faults but her character does not project the abrasiveness that Skyler can muster.

Honestly, I don't really hate Skyler. It's Marie who I think is far more deserving of hate.

Final two episodes are going to be a little longer than usual. Vince Gilligan said he was pretty sure they were going to clock in at an extra 7-8 minutes each, now Peter Gould has confirmed with commericals they will be 75min each, compared to the usual 64.
https://twitter.com/petergould/status/380463937033994241

Not terribly exciting, but if you're one of those people who records it with DVR or whatever, probably should make sure to remember that.

On the one hand: hating a woman and calling her a bitch does not automatically make one mysogynistic. Bitch is the female form of asshole, and does not suddenly imply negativity because of femininity.
On the other hand, while the hatred/distaste towards the character is, for a lot of people, probably just the result of sympathising with the protagonist, a lot of the added vitriol comes from the ever-present "lol women suck" faux mysoginy that still pervades both the internet and gaming culture. I'm saying "faux mysoginy", but I do not mean to imply this is any better or worse than the old kind - I mean it's not what it pretends to be - infantile and insecure teenage boys acting out against strong women/all women/homosexuals/etc aren't the same as the old type of those same discriminations, sociologically speaking. The roots are quite different. Both types suck, clearly.

Anyway, I don't think Jay is a mysoginist for disliking the character. I do think a lot of the hate being thrown that way is mysoginy. Also, I completely forgot how to spell mysoginy.

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. Bitch is the female form of asshole, .

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I agree, it's a gendered insult, just like "prick". There's not really any reason to use it, and it has a lot of negative female connotations when used towards men and women.

In terms of criminality, Marie is small potatoes when compared to Walt (drugs) or Skyler (white collar crime).

Earlier in the show, Marie had been going to open houses and crafting background stories for her and an imaginary family. She'd tell one realtor that she and her husband had been artists in London, and then tell another that her husband was a NASA astronaut. She'd also help herself to some trinkets from every house she visited.

I get why she stole those things; she's a kleptomaniac. But why all those elaborate but fake autobiographies? My theory is she had been used to being the center of attention. At the time, Walt was recovering from cancer. Skyler had a new baby to take care of. Hank was still mostly bed-ridden from multiple gunshot wounds AND was a difficult patient to boot. Maybe those stories were her way of getting people to focus on her again.

I kind of grew to like Marie as the show went on actually. Skylar has mostly been a big meh for me but she has her moments.

They purposefully haven't made Skyler the most sympathized with character because that would have been the easy route. They could have made everyone love her but instead went with the angle that she's a complicated human. That she isn't black and white and isn't the total victim. That she is *trying* to take care of her kids and herself and that she does love Walt but that love only goes so far. I think to write her off as a "bitch" is, well, not inherently misogynistic, but if thats where you settle it might be worth at least taking a look at why you settled there.

Heart Hank.

Well damn. Happy trails, Saul.

The Cinnabon retailers guild just gained an MVP.

I can see it now. Cut to a Cinnabon at an Omaha strip mall one year later. Saul is making lewd comments to his female customers; those comments are just enough to rankle them but not overt enough to warrant a complaint. Meanwhile, Huell sitting behind the register, holding a cinnamon bun in one hand and struggling to operate the keys with the other, wearing that Cinnabon golf cap and a uniform that is straining to the breaking point.

I had hoped that Walter was going to go on a rampage to save Jesse, kill the neo-nazis and in some small way save a life that was ruined when he walked into it.

But of course it looks like he's about to shoot up a chemical company for their latest slight of him.
Or is there something that I missed with the reveal of what set him off on his trip back to New Mexico?

I think he's still going after the Nazis. Seeing Elliot and Gretchen just reminded him of his desire to build something great, and now he wants the money back.

But that'd definitely be an interesting twist if he goes after the chemical company.

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The last show of the series is going to be Huell still sitting in that safe house waiting for them to tell him it's safe to come out.

"Guys? Hello?"

Executive Producer Vince Gilligan

He's going to be that guy in a Shakespearean tragedy who sums everything up for the audience after everyone else is dead.

You know what a good show is? One that leaves you yelling literally at the screen for more when the credits roll.

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You know what a good show is? One that leaves you yelling literally at the screen for more when the credits roll.

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So.... not Dexter

God damn, that episode was the perfect low key build up for the inevitable...I'll use the word mayhem. I honestly thought it wouldn't focus so heavily on Walt and be more focused on the rest of the cast. I await next week (and now that there's no Dexter to go into afterwards, it will make the episode infinity quadjilligoogle times better).

That scene where Todd offs Andrea...Aaron Paul sold that grief. That was rough.

Dexter version of that scene

Todd shoots Andrea in the back of the head.

Ghost Walt: Jesse, he just killed Andrea, that's because of you Jesse.

Jesse's inner monologue: This is because of me, Andrea, someone who I cared about and had to get away from because of my self destructive lifestyle, is dead because of me. What will happen to Brock now?

Ghost Walt: Jesse, Brock doesn't have a mom now. This is because of you Jesse, this is because you didn't think about the consequences.

Jesse's inner monologue: This is what happens to everyone I love, I can't stop destroying lives, be it from cooking huge amounts of Meth the way Walt taught me to, or because of my direct actions, like when I killed Gale Boetticher.

Ghost Walt: Remember Gale Jesse? Remember when you shot Gale. It's exactly like that.

I'm glad that there is no chance of Tood being redeemed now. I was kinda worried they were going to go that route.

No, Todd is truly a psychopath. Dexter wishes he was half as cold as Todd.

Todd is an amazing character. Utterly souless does the most disgusting evil things with this look of just not really giving a crap.

But I still besides the murder I would have a beer with him.

Last episode was solid... the look in his eyes when the fuckers on TV talked shit about him was something incredible.

Who's looking forward to Sunday for the finale?

BROFIST ME, IF YOU ARE

Jay said:

Last episode was solid... the look in his eyes when the fuckers on TV talked shit about him was something incredible.

Who's looking forward to Sunday for the finale?

BROFIST ME, IF YOU ARE

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I'm totally looking forward to it.

Brofist me if you're tired of Jay whoring for brofists.

Ravenpoe said:

... Jay whoring for brofists.

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That sounds like a stretch.

Best use of the theme song during an episode in TV history.

Going out on a really high note. Unlike some shows...

At least neither pulled a Northern Exposure. Nothing like letting one of the best shows in the history of tv languish through a painful final season by attempting to pull a Darren.

Anybody else watch Conan last night? They had the whole main cast along with Vince Gilligan.

Huh, I just realized that Uncle Jack is the same guy who played Pussy Wagon Buck from Kill Bill.

He seems to have a type

Vince gilligan's next project....

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ehhhh....something about the machine gun seemed kinda dumb. I dunno. I liked it, but that just didnt sit right.

I didn't like that finale. It just seemed like everything was too easy for Walt. No deviation from everything being perfect. No reason really given for the sudden turnaround in his thinking.

And it also seemed like they tried to redeem Walt. Had him atoning for his crimes and making everything alright even admitting his faults to Skylar. I didn't want redemption and I don't think it was really believable.

I don't think he was atoning for his crimes I think he was finally being honest with himself on his motives.

Yeah, I don't think that was atonement at all. It was realization. He did it because he wanted to. There were no noble goals aside from him just wanting to metamorphosize into a monster.

Except he didn't turn into a monster. He took steps to try and fix everything that he broke. Getting the money to his family, apologizing to Skylar, telling the DEA where Hank's body is, saving Jesse and ending Lydia.

I mean it may not be atonement but it is him trying to fix every problem that he had made on the show which you say Tomatoe I say Tomatoe.

I was disappointed somewhat as well.

My main problem with the finale was that everything seemed too easy. For a show that lived off consequences and repercussions to actions and reactions, it felt tame.

Dude sees his entire posse get gunned down and turns his back to him and go "golly Mr. white" so that Jesse can pull off Walt's first kill was UGHHHHHHHHH

I expected more, mostly because of the preview of the finale shown in previous episodes.

I think they would have been better not showing it.

I thoroughly enjoyed it. The whole show has been Walt trying to "fix" things. The main difference was that this time he got it right. Mostly because he played it cool. He accepted his actions, and did his best to make amends, as poor as they were. The conversation with Skylar summed up the entire episode.

Todd is a sociopath through and through. He couldn't give a shit about his family being killed. He would totally think the gun setup was cool enough to be mesmerized. He already thinks of Walt as some kind of god.

Liked it.

It was very perfunctory. It was a decent cap to an incredible show. It definitely won't go down as one of the best finales of all time (The Shield).

It needed to fade to black, then fade back in with Jesse working in a lumber yard, driving to a cabin, look the camera dead on and let a single tear roll down his face.

The real problem with the finale is it had to live up to how fucking good Ozymandias was, the best episode of the season (and arguably of the series).

Frank said:

The real problem with the finale is it had to live up to how fucking good Ozymandias was, the best episode of the season (and arguably of the series).

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Can't agree with this more.

The ending was good but it didn't feel right for me.

I felt downright apathetic to it when the gut wrenching episode 2 weeks ago was by far the best ever.

Last week was a solid buildup.

... I expect more.

You know... I REALLY wanted to know the details of WHAT happened at Greymatter, in detail. That always bothered me.

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- Why did Walt leave Gray Matter for a paltry buyout of $5000?

- What were Gus Fring’s South American connections?

- Is Huell still sitting in that room?


Huell aside, I always have been disappointed that the whole Chilean thing never came to light and the fact what happened at Grey Matter was never explained. I was hoping for everything to come into play but it didn't.

The series was gret but the ending was OK. I expected more.

The ending was perfect. The things that weren't explained weren't important to Walter, and everyone complaining about the ending being predictable is missing the point.

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The ending was perfect. The things that weren't explained weren't important to Walter, and everyone complaining about the ending being predictable is missing the point.

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What was the point? Other than watching Walt effortlessly defeat everybody in his path?

Jay said:

You know... I REALLY wanted to know the details of WHAT happened at Greymatter, in detail. That always bothered me.

- Why did Walt leave Gray Matter for a paltry buyout of $5000?

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I always thought his reasons for leaving Greymatter were very nicely (and subtly) explained. He was in love with, and dating, Gretchen. He left Greymatter after Gretchen left him for Elliot.

Gilligan actually said that he broke up with her because he didn't like how rich her family was.

I don't know if id call alienating your son and your sister-in-law, risking returning to Albuquerque, risking taking on the brotherhood, getting shot, and dying to absolve Jesse "effortless".

By effortless I think he meant that literally nothing went wrong with his plan. The only issues he had was grabbing the keys from the table.

Well, and dying but I don't think he expected to make it out of there alive anyways.

Great show. Great finale.

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What was the point? Other than watching Walt effortlessly defeat everybody in his path?

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Taken from someone who said it better than I could:

This was never a show about plot twists. It just wasn't. It was a show about a lot of things, and one of them was seeing Walter come up with a plan and then execute it; from the poison in the first episode right through to the wheelchair bomb. As soon as we saw the M60 in the first episode, it was pretty likely that it was for the nazis. As soon as we saw the mechanism, we knew how it was executed. This is a show that told us Walter was going to get busted 6 episodes before it happened. When we saw Hank and Gomez pinned down, there wasn't a plot twist. They died. We see the plan, we watch the execution. I can't think of any HOLY SHIT, TWIST moments in the show, sometimes things are unexpected (what Walt did to Gretchen and Elliot, the plane crash, poisoning Brock), but there aren't a lot of OMG TWIST. It isn't that kind of show.

Knowing that Walt would make an attempt at redemption, knowing that when it came to it he would save Jesse, knowing that the phone call to Skyler was the last act of Heisenberg, knowing that it was always Walter White, and Heisenberg was just a character he was playing? Those aren't weaknesses in the show, they're strengths. We can figure out what Walt will do because we know the character well enough to put the pieces together. He feels like aperson rather than a means of doling out surprises. I've always maintained that neither the Team Walt nor the Walt Is A Monster people were entirely right, he's a character. He does terrible things for reasons he thinks are right, he has real motivations that you can understand if not agree with. I can look at the last episode, compare it with the performance in the flash forwards and what they tell us about Walt's state of mind and say "yes, that is what Walt would do." It doesn't matter that he didn't fucking drop a shark out of a helicopter onto Gretchen's head and then reveal that he was the new leader of the Aryan Brotherhood. That would have been a Twist. It would have been Unpredictable. It would have been Wrong.

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By effortless I think he meant that literally nothing went wrong with his plan. The only issues he had was grabbing the keys from the table.

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We don't know if anything went wrong with his plan. Aside from killing the Aryans, everything else is up in the air. There's no way to know if his threat to Elliot and Gretchen will hold and they will go through with it, or if such a large sum of money would even go unquestioned by Skylar, Walt Jr, or the police. We also don't know if the location of Hank and Steve Gomez's bodies is enough for Skylar to negotiate a deal with the DEA. Walt's family is still in the shitter, and his children will grow up forever thinking he was a monster (and he was) and that he killed their uncle Hank (which he didn't.) This isn't a happy ending in anyone's mind except Walt, because in his fucked up, prideful worldview, he won.

I will also add that until the credits rolled, I was still half expecting something terrible to happen to Jesse. Car blew up, arrested by cops, OD on meth, just something since Jesse was the show's whipping boy all series.

Wow, anyone not happy with that ending, I have to ask, what did you expect?

For me, it was perfect. There were no important lose ends left dangling and it was a fantastic closer.

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Wow, anyone not happy with that ending, I have to ask, what did you expect?

For me, it was perfect. There were no important lose ends left dangling and it was a fantastic closer.

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I didn't like Walter White so I don't like seeing him win. I don't like him accomplishing every goal he was trying to achieve and dieing with every check on his bucket list filled. Nor do I like him litterally accomplishing all of this without the least bit of complication.

Piotyr said:

Taken from someone who said it better than I could:

This was never a show about plot twists. It just wasn't. It was a show about a lot of things, and one of them was seeing Walter come up with a plan and then execute it; from the poison in the first episode right through to the wheelchair bomb. As soon as we saw the M60 in the first episode, it was pretty likely that it was for the nazis. As soon as we saw the mechanism, we knew how it was executed. This is a show that told us Walter was going to get busted 6 episodes before it happened. When we saw Hank and Gomez pinned down, there wasn't a plot twist. They died. We see the plan, we watch the execution. I can't think of any HOLY SHIT, TWIST moments in the show, sometimes things are unexpected (what Walt did to Gretchen and Elliot, the plane crash, poisoning Brock), but there aren't a lot of OMG TWIST. It isn't that kind of show.

Knowing that Walt would make an attempt at redemption, knowing that when it came to it he would save Jesse, knowing that the phone call to Skyler was the last act of Heisenberg, knowing that it was always Walter White, and Heisenberg was just a character he was playing? Those aren't weaknesses in the show, they're strengths. We can figure out what Walt will do because we know the character well enough to put the pieces together. He feels like aperson rather than a means of doling out surprises. I've always maintained that neither the Team Walt nor the Walt Is A Monster people were entirely right, he's a character. He does terrible things for reasons he thinks are right, he has real motivations that you can understand if not agree with. I can look at the last episode, compare it with the performance in the flash forwards and what they tell us about Walt's state of mind and say "yes, that is what Walt would do." It doesn't matter that he didn't fucking drop a shark out of a helicopter onto Gretchen's head and then reveal that he was the new leader of the Aryan Brotherhood. That would have been a Twist. It would have been Unpredictable. It would have been Wrong.

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Bullshit. Absolute Bullshit.

You can't think of a single twist moment in the entire show? If you actually believe that we watched very very different shows. You apparently watched a show where Walter made the blue meth for Tuco who treated him fairly until Walter gained his $700,000 dollars and retired. Or maybe one where Walter and Gus had a good working relationship where both of them did very well for themselves. Or maybe you watched a show where Jesse and Walter ran a successful meth empire for a couple years before shaking hands and walking away with a final shot of Jesse marrying Jane. The entire show was Walt dealing with twists and complications. That's what made the show good.

The finale had none of that.

Walter was easily able to steal the Volvo and then drive all the way back to New Mexico without a single problem despite the fact that Federal Marshalls would have descended on New Mexico like the goddamn plague.

Walter was easily able to break into Elliot and Gretchen's home and effortlessly convince them to give his money to his children.

Walter was able to sneak into Skylar's home to give her information that would possibly get her off and gain some measure of love and respect from her.

Walter was able to poison Lydia by putting the Ricin in a Stevia packet despite the fact that Lydia sat at a table she didn't usually sit at.

Walter was able to get all of the Neonazis gathered round so his M60 could take care of the job.

Walter was effortlessly able to evade the police and DEA who apparently couldn't find their ass with a map.

Walter was able to headfake Jesse one last time.

I didn't watch the show in order to see Walt as a Mary Sue who had everything go to plan. I've always thought the show was at it's best when Walt made a plan succeed despite the complications.

If you really think that, it's not worth discussing further, since you apparently missed a good show last night.

Piotyr said:

If you really think that, it's not worth discussing further, since you apparently missed a good show last night.

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If I really think what that the show was better when Walter's plans didn't go exactly according to plan? Or if I really think that Walt faced no real complications in last night's show?

Dubyamn said:

If I really think what that the show was better when Walter's plans didn't go exactly according to plan? Or if I really think that Walt faced no real complications in last night's show?

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You're being overly nitpicky. Missing the forest for the trees. The entire show was about Walt's plans, and dealing with complications. Last night's show was entirely about dealing with complications with the plan to tie up all loose ends. It was really the first time he actually succeeded, which was really a perfect ending for the show.

Complaining because you might have written things differently doesn't make what actually happened any less plausible.

This is a greek tragedy. Walter did suffer and be punished, that happened in Ozymandias, where he died.

Granite state was his journey through the underworld.

And Felina is the return of his ghost to finish what he started.

Piotyr said:

You're being overly nitpicky. Missing the forest for the trees. The entire show was about Walt's plans, and dealing with complications. Last night's show was entirely about dealing with complications with the plan to tie up all loose ends. It was really the first time he actually succeeded, which was really a perfect ending for the show.

Complaining because you might have written things differently doesn't make what actually happened any less plausible.

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I don't think it was missing the forest for the trees. Cause the episode was weak and more damningly it was boring.

Course it was a weak and boring episode of Breaking Bad which still isn't terrible and if it seems like I believe it to be unwatchable drek I apologize. I liked the Elliot and Gretchen scene and I liked the Skylar scene at least until the bit with Holly quite a bit but the rest of the episode needed more work instead of just flowing unerringly towards Walt's victory.

Ozymandius is the episode that I will always remember. Fenalina is one that will fade and I'll forget in time.

Ravenpoe said:

This is a greek tragedy. Walter did suffer and be punished, that happened in Ozymandias, where he died.

Granite state was his journey through the underworld.

And Felina is the return of his ghost to finish what he started.

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If that's what they were going for the I can see how they got there. Granted I also like the theory that Walt froze to death in that car and that everything else was his death dream.

Dubyamn said:

I liked the Skylar scene at least until the bit with Holly

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For me, that whole scene is emotional, and then it turns up to 11 at Holly. And not because of Walt's reaction to seeing his daughter for the last time, but for the sad smile that Skylar gives Walt while watching him. That's the moment that makes me cry every time (literally, I've watched it three times, I can't not tear up there) because it's a brief little glimpse of the love they used to have, and still have, at least a little. She hates that Walt became what he did, but she can finally move on because he was honest to her, and can at last see the remains of the husband she once had.

I just don't get the "flowing unerringly" bit. To me, it was more like the serenity before death. Things went right (I hesitate to use the word "well") because it was the end. But really, this show is full of those effortless wins and luck for Walt, too. That's one of the things that makes him an interesting character. Characters the world craps on constantly are just as boring as Mary Sues. Though I really have a hard time calling the pain he had to have been going through a Mary Sue type ending.

The initial confrontation with Tuco is actually a good example of an "effortless" win, not all that different from the Nazis. That tiny explosive crystal did way more damage than it should have. Why didn't the gang guys just blow him away when he raised his arm? Hank conveniently saved Walt's ass in the desert. The big scary gang member offed himself in the junkyard. Walt luckily drifting through situations has been a fairly common thing in this show.

I think a big thing people are missing here, is that this isn't a show where you can judge one episode as one episode. People are not yet used to thinking of television this way (I don't know why, the best shows have been this way for a while now), but television shows can now be a truly cinematic experience. Instead of thinking about it in it's 45-60minute snippets (The last two episodes ran long but I don't remember the exact times) and trying to judge one episode as being better or worse than another, remember that this is ONE story. And this is the denoument. You want conflict in the story, we just had it in the last 7 episodes, with Ozymandias being the climax.

We got closure on every story point and every character. I'm satisfied.
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Ravenpoe said:

This is a greek tragedy. Walter did suffer and be punished, that happened in Ozymandias, where he died.

Granite state was his journey through the underworld.

And Felina is the return of his ghost to finish what he started.

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Excellent way of looking at it.

Ravenpoe said:

For me, that whole scene is emotional, and then it turns up to 11 at Holly. And not because of Walt's reaction to seeing his daughter for the last time, but for the sad smile that Skylar gives Walt while watching him. That's the moment that makes me cry every time (literally, I've watched it three times, I can't not tear up there) because it's a brief little glimpse of the love they used to have, and still have, at least a little. She hates that Walt became what he did, but she can finally move on because he was honest to her, and can at last see the remains of the husband she once had.

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Personally found the smile too cloying. I honestly don't believe that Skylar would have ever felt comfortable with Walt around Holly. Hell I don't see how her first call wasn't to the police the second she found Walt in her house.

fade said:

I just don't get the "flowing unerringly" bit. To me, it was more like the serenity before death. Things went right (I hesitate to use the word "well") because it was the end. But really, this show is full of those effortless wins and luck for Walt, too. That's one of the things that makes him an interesting character. Characters the world craps on constantly are just as boring as Mary Sues. Though I really have a hard time calling the pain he had to have been going through a Mary Sue type ending.

The initial confrontation with Tuco is actually a good example of an "effortless" win, not all that different from the Nazis. That tiny explosive crystal did way more damage than it should have. Why didn't the gang guys just blow him away when he raised his arm? Hank conveniently saved Walt's ass in the desert. The big scary gang member offed himself in the junkyard. Walt luckily drifting through situations has been a fairly common thing in this show.

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The initial win against Tuco was a stupid stupid scene. The rock he threw blew up big enough to blast a huge AC unit off the wall but not turn the people within into jelly and the explosive needed to be volatile enough to explode violently when thrown against the floor but not volatile enough to explode when in an honest to god explosion. Stupid as hell but an acceptable thing to have happen at the beginning of a show.

As for the desert scene how was that an example of Walt drifting through a situation? He tried his ass off to kill Tuco. First through the Tainted Crystal then through poisoning his Burrito and then finally in an actual fight with him where they wounded him and then were about to be hunted down. That was an amazing scene with Walt using everything at his disposal to stay alive and coming up short time and time again.

As for the big guy dieing in the junkyard that was what set off the entire scene in the desert. Since when he went missing Tuco panicked and figured he went to the DEA and then kidnapped Jesse and Walt to come cook Meth for him in Mexico. Don't see how that is at all an example of Walt drifting.

checkeredhat said:

Instead of thinking about it in it's 45-60minute snippets (The last two episodes ran long but I don't remember the exact times) and trying to judge one episode as being better or worse than another, remember that this is ONE story.

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That is a good way of looking at it. It kind of falls apart though when it's presented in one hour chunks, weeks apart, the audience cannot view that way...but with more and more programming being created to suit marathon viewing over weekly, we either gotta bite the bullet and wait to watch it all, or accept it as presented.

Dubyamn said:

Personally found the smile too cloying. I honestly don't believe that Skylar would have ever felt comfortable with Walt around Holly. Hell I don't see how her first call wasn't to the police the second she found Walt in her house.



The initial win against Tuco was a stupid stupid scene. The rock he threw blew up big enough to blast a huge AC unit off the wall but not turn the people within into jelly and the explosive needed to be volatile enough to explode violently when thrown against the floor but not volatile enough to explode when in an honest to god explosion. Stupid as hell but an acceptable thing to have happen at the beginning of a show.

As for the desert scene how was that an example of Walt drifting through a situation? He tried his ass off to kill Tuco. First through the Tainted Crystal then through poisoning his Burrito and then finally in an actual fight with him where they wounded him and then were about to be hunted down. That was an amazing scene with Walt using everything at his disposal to stay alive and coming up short time and time again.

As for the big guy dieing in the junkyard that was what set off the entire scene in the desert. Since when he went missing Tuco panicked and figured he went to the DEA and then kidnapped Jesse and Walt to come cook Meth for him in Mexico. Don't see how that is at all an example of Walt drifting.

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I mean I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I see the whole show as being a string of coincidences and lucky breaks falling into place for Walt. That doesn't mean the same thing as easy or that he didnt also work for his supper. That drifting was half the appeal of the show to me.

fade said:

I mean I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I see the whole show as being a string of coincidences and lucky breaks falling into place for Walt. That doesn't mean the same thing as easy or that he didnt also work for his supper. That drifting was half the appeal of the show to me.

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I have no problem agreeing to disagree but the two examples you used to support your position are just flat out wrong.

Well, I don't agree with that at all. There were lots of coincidences in those scenes that didn't have to happen. Just like the finale. Nothing you said seems to refute that. You just said work was involved, and that you thought one scene was stupid. Regardless of how you feel about it, there was a lot of coincidence and luck.[DOUBLEPOST=1380597210,1380596671][/DOUBLEPOST]The gangster getting trapped led to establishing Walt's reputation through the DEA's shakedown. No-Doze's death, which the big gangster was reacting to, also pushed Walt's street and DEA reputation forward, even though it was by pure coincidence that Tuco beat No-Doze to death. But it was pure luck for Walt. No matter how much Walt fought with Tuco, it was still the coincidental arrival of Hank (through tracking Jesse's car) that saved him and pushed his reputation forward again and saved his life.

Let me say that this in no way means I think you're wrong about all the work Walt put in. Sure. But coincidence has also played a huge role since episode 1. It's one of the beauties of the show, and part of the ultimate tragedy.

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Well, I don't agree with that at all. There were lots of coincidences in those scenes that didn't have to happen. Just like the finale.

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fade said:

Well, I don't agree with that at all. There were lots of coincidences in those scenes that didn't have to happen. Just like the finale. Nothing you said seems to refute that. You just said work was involved, and that you thought one scene was stupid. Regardless of how you feel about it, there was a lot of coincidence and luck.[DOUBLEPOST=1380597210,1380596671][/DOUBLEPOST]The gangster getting trapped led to establishing Walt's reputation through the DEA's shakedown.

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Do you mean the Junkie who got his head smashed in when his wife dropped the ATM on his head? Wasn't a coincidence because Jesse went there to get his money back.

No-Doze's death, which the big gangster was reacting to, also pushed Walt's street and DEA reputation forward, even though it was by pure coincidence that Tuco beat No-Doze to death.

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Tuco was a violent pyschopath. Him beating No-Doze to death was a natural extension of his character.

But it was pure luck for Walt. No matter how much Walt fought with Tuco, it was still the coincidental arrival of Hank (through tracking Jesse's car) that saved him and pushed his reputation forward again and saved his life.

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Hank's arrival wasn't coincidental. Hank investigated realized that Jesse was a shifty criminal in Walt's life and tracked him down. That's no more coincidental than the detectives in Law and Order showing up at the criminals house just before he gets arrested.

Let me say that this in no way means I think you're wrong about all the work Walt put in. Sure. But coincidence has also played a huge role since episode 1. It's one of the beauties of the show, and part of the ultimate tragedy.

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I don't think you understand what a coincidence is. Mike being in the right spot to see the cousins going into Walt's house and being connected with Gus who then was connected enough to call them off. That's a coincidence. Hank successfully tracking down his brother in law is the opposite of a coincidence.

These are the same arguments again that have little to do with what I'm saying. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. I never said hanks arrival was some magical coincidence (extrapolate ad nauseum). Of course it wasn't. But his arrival at that very moment to save Walt was a coincidence that catapulted the story forward. Etc etc.[DOUBLEPOST=1380633802,1380633344][/DOUBLEPOST]I understand perfectly fine what coincidence is. The problem is that you're not interpreting what I'm saying correctly.[DOUBLEPOST=1380634175][/DOUBLEPOST]For that scene, the insulting page of words about how detectives work is irrelevant. The point is that Walt is in a hole about to die before Heisenberg leaves the fetal stage when hank (sure through investigation--who said it wasn't?) arrives at that very moment. That's a coincidence for Walt. Sure. Hank worked for it. But it was a lucky break for Walt. He didn't arrange for Hank to pop up at precisely the moment he was about to get his head blown off. That's what I'm talking about.

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These are the same arguments again that have little to do with what I'm saying. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. I never said hanks arrival was some magical coincidence (extrapolate ad nauseum). Of course it wasn't. But his arrival at that very moment to save Walt was a coincidence that catapulted the story forward. Etc etc.[DOUBLEPOST=1380633802,1380633344][/DOUBLEPOST]I understand perfectly fine what coincidence is. The problem is that you're not interpreting what I'm saying correctly.[DOUBLEPOST=1380634175][/DOUBLEPOST]For that scene, the insulting page of words about how detectives work is irrelevant. The point is that Walt is in a hole about to die before Heisenberg leaves the fetal stage when hank (sure through investigation--who said it wasn't?) arrives at that very moment. That's a coincidence for Walt. Sure. Hank worked for it. But it was a lucky break for Walt. He didn't arrange for Hank to pop up at precisely the moment he was about to get his head blown off. That's what I'm talking about.

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I'm just saying that the examples you quoted are wrong and you so far haven't explained why you believe that it was at all coincidental. Hank arrived in time because Walt had spent the entire day trying to survive and Hank had spent the entire day tracking him down as quickly as he could. The fact that Hank arrived at that time wasn't coinicidental not to Walt not in any sense of the word.

And it's not like Hank arrived just as Tuco was about to put a bullet in Walt's head. Jesse and Walt had already shot Tuco and started running away. Hank arrived while Tuco was arming up to go hunting the two of them into the desert.

Here's the great thing about that episode last night: Walt has so much pride that he always wants everyone to know he did *insert whatever thing you want* for 5 seasons.

In the finale it was the first time Walt actually didn't let his pride get in the way of things. He stayed in the background. He allowed people to assume he was weak, that he was dumb, that he was trash. And it was him finally dying to that pride that allowed him to succeed. If he had gone at those events as "Heisenburg" he would have failed/been spending all his time scrambling to clean up the stupid mess he made. Instead he allowed himself to be what he was: a defeated man. In the defeat his enemies saw a weak man. That was their mistake. If you can't see that the entire show has been about his pride and that it took till the very end for him to give it up then I think you may have missed a huge part of the show.

*When I say "you" I mean that in a generic sense.

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Espy said:

Here's the great thing about that episode last night: Walt has so much pride that he always wants everyone to know he did *insert whatever thing you want* for 5 seasons.

In the finale it was the first time Walt actually didn't let his pride get in the way of things. He stayed in the background. He allowed people to assume he was weak, that he was dumb, that he was trash. And it was him finally dying to that pride that allowed him to succeed. If he had gone at those events as "Heisenburg" he would have failed/been spending all his time scrambling to clean up the stupid mess he made. Instead he allowed himself to be what he was: a defeated man. In the defeat his enemies saw a weak man. That was their mistake. If you can't see that the entire show has been about his pride and that it took till the very end for him to give it up then I think you may have missed a huge part of the show.

*When I say "you" I mean that in a generic sense.

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Thats an amazing point and makes me like the ending a lot more.

It's just funny right? I mean, he's spent the ENTIRE DAMN SHOW trying to BE someone he isn't. The big bad crime boss. And then he really ends up just scrambling around like a crazy person trying to either keep everything from falling apart or else picking up the pieces of whatever he's ruined.

All because of pride.

This episode opens with him asking God to give him once chance to pull this off. At the very least it's symbolic of him letting go of his pride. Of his pride in himself, his abilities and the pride in what he wants to be seen as instead of what he really is. A man terrified to die.

So when he admits to Skyler it was all about him, I mean, BAM. Thats the show right there. Thats the truth finally taking place. Gone are the speeches, that got longer and longer as the show went on, to justify who he is and what he had done. Now it's just, "Yeah, it was all about me". Thats it.

And he succeeds in pulling off his plan because of it. Because he humbled himself. Hell, look at the shots. Go back and watch it again. He's in the BACKGROUND of the show. He's out of focus. Vince directed this ep and you damn well know he put Walt in certain places to emphasize this idea. It's just so fucking brilliant. There is not a better ending to this show. Period*.


*at least in my opinion. I'm open to someone explaining why it isn't the perfect ending for the show but I won't say you will have an easy time convincing me.

The only other show that ended this perfectly was The Shield.

Gryfter said:

The only other show that ended this perfectly was The Shield.

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not to be an old person, but I'd argue Mary Tyler Moore, Newhart, M*A*S*H, and Cheers had pretty perfect endings.

Charlie Don't Surf said:

not to be an old person, but I'd argue Mary Tyler Moore, Newhart, M*A*S*H, and Cheers had pretty perfect endings.

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You get a brofist just for Newhart

Espy said:

It's just funny right? I mean, he's spent the ENTIRE DAMN SHOW trying to BE someone he isn't. The big bad crime boss. And then he really ends up just scrambling around like a crazy person trying to either keep everything from falling apart or else picking up the pieces of whatever he's ruined.

All because of pride.

This episode opens with him asking God to give him once chance to pull this off. At the very least it's symbolic of him letting go of his pride. Of his pride in himself, his abilities and the pride in what he wants to be seen as instead of what he really is. A man terrified to die.

So when he admits to Skyler it was all about him, I mean, BAM. Thats the show right there. Thats the truth finally taking place. Gone are the speeches, that got longer and longer as the show went on, to justify who he is and what he had done. Now it's just, "Yeah, it was all about me". Thats it.

And he succeeds in pulling off his plan because of it. Because he humbled himself. Hell, look at the shots. Go back and watch it again. He's in the BACKGROUND of the show. He's out of focus. Vince directed this ep and you damn well know he put Walt in certain places to emphasize this idea. It's just so fucking brilliant. There is not a better ending to this show. Period*.


*at least in my opinion. I'm open to someone explaining why it isn't the perfect ending for the show but I won't say you will have an easy time convincing me.

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That is actually very good reasoning and I actually can see perfectly where you are coming from with it. In fact I would even agree with you that is where they were going with that.

But personally I found the entire episode outside of a few scenes to be just boring in a way I didn't find any other episode in any of the other seasons.

Ravenpoe said:

You get a brofist just for Newhart

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AND MY AXE!

Er, M*A*S*H. My M*A*S*H.

Charlie Don't Surf said:

not to be an old person, but I'd argue Mary Tyler Moore, Newhart, M*A*S*H, and Cheers had pretty perfect endings.

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I'm pretty sure M*A*S*H* is still held up as one of the best examples of best last episodes in television history.

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Movies nowadays tend to cut off the second half of the pyramid.

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Movies nowadays tend to cut off the second half of the pyramid.

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And the first half of the pyramid.

Why is the trailer in english?

I am the Juan who knocks?

edit: dammit, youtube commenters beat me to the pun(ch)

Still haven't seen any of the series, but I have it on good authority that this is pretty awesome.



--Patrick

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...-letter_n_4098441.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Wow, high praise for the great show from Sir Anthony Hopkins.

I read the Yahoo! article about that letter... I bet that will mean more to him than any Emmy...

Espy said:

It's just funny right? I mean, he's spent the ENTIRE DAMN SHOW trying to BE someone he isn't. The big bad crime boss. And then he really ends up just scrambling around like a crazy person trying to either keep everything from falling apart or else picking up the pieces of whatever he's ruined.

All because of pride.

This episode opens with him asking God to give him once chance to pull this off. At the very least it's symbolic of him letting go of his pride. Of his pride in himself, his abilities and the pride in what he wants to be seen as instead of what he really is. A man terrified to die.

So when he admits to Skyler it was all about him, I mean, BAM. Thats the show right there. Thats the truth finally taking place. Gone are the speeches, that got longer and longer as the show went on, to justify who he is and what he had done. Now it's just, "Yeah, it was all about me". Thats it.

And he succeeds in pulling off his plan because of it. Because he humbled himself. Hell, look at the shots. Go back and watch it again. He's in the BACKGROUND of the show. He's out of focus. Vince directed this ep and you damn well know he put Walt in certain places to emphasize this idea. It's just so fucking brilliant. There is not a better ending to this show. Period*.


*at least in my opinion. I'm open to someone explaining why it isn't the perfect ending for the show but I won't say you will have an easy time convincing me.

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Cannot agree enough

This may have already been posted, but I just ran across it this morning.

I've only watched the first season of Breaking Bad, but that's hilarious.

Wow the Jesse and Walt impressions are awesome!

stienman said:

A family friendly version of Breaking Bad:

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ah, gonna watch it finally?

"What did you do?"
"I divided by zero."

"Shot for shot remake," it says... Can't wait for the bathtub scene...

A 90kg drug dealer's carcass is placed in a bath of acid in a metal container, and the carcass decays exponentially at a rate of 33 grams per deciday. Meanwhile, the 100 kg metal tub reacts to the acid, decaying at a rate of 5 grams per hour. The tub will be structurally incapable of holding when the metal bottom, which forms an ellipse with semimajor axis 1m and semiminor axis 0.5m, thinning linearly from 1 cm at the edge to 0.25 cm at the centroid, reaches a thickness of less than 1mm over 50% of the bottom area. Also, the acid potency is dropping at a rate of a^0.3, where a is the common hydrogen ion dispersal rate for muriatic acid. Will the drug dealer's body decay before the tub fails?

For bonus points, consider that an identical tub holding a 120 kg man is on a train approaching 0.9c. Accounting for Lorentz contraction, which body or tub will fail first?

Sounds plot-accurate to me.