Bystander Effect much?

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SeraRelm

If I even thought something like that was going on, the cops would have been called faster than you can say "castrate".

Were I a physically violent person, I'd have swung a fucking brick... Call me internet tough if you want, but I stand by that.
 
North_Ranger

North_Ranger

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Hindsight and righteous anger have a 20/20 vision, unfortunately.

I don't know if I could've intervened - I'm not a violent person by far - but I would have at least stepped aside and called the cops.
 
doomdragon6

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This sounds less like the bystander effect than it does people were just watching.

It sounds like everyone who watched were highschool guys who possibly would have wanted to just watch-- not random people that stumbled across it. Had someone just wandered by they probably would have been more likely to do something.
 
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elph

Bowielee said:
Yeah, this isn't the bystander effect. People actually came out specifically to watch.
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and participate.

I think it's more mob mentality really. With people coming out to watch/participate, if only 1 person would've stood up and tried to stop, it's likely that person would have been added to the assault.

It's sick, but if *you* were the only one to stand up against a mob of 5 - 10+ (I'm just giving numbers here, I didn't notice it give any specific numbers to go by), I'm sure you'd be hesitant to act. I'd love to think that I'd have the guts to act to stop what's going on, maybe not directly, but indirectly. I would've contacted the cops/authorities as soon as I heard something I'm sure. Maybe go so far as to try to document if there was nothing I could do directly. I would hate to think I would just stand there and watch, or (worse) walk away and do nothing.
 
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Biardo

You never know what you'll do in that kind of situations, I like to think I would intervene but I'm not sure.

I did come across a group one day that was kicking someone who they had beaten up and I managed to get them to stop and get the guy away from there, then I started talking to him and suddenly understood why they felt the need to beat him up, most ungrateful son of a bitch I ever met, still doesn't give them the right though and beating up 1 guy with a group is really lame.
 
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Chazwozel

elph;284093][quote=Bowielee said:
Yeah, this isn't the bystander effect. People actually came out specifically to watch.
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and participate.

I think it's more mob mentality really. With people coming out to watch/participate, if only 1 person would've stood up and tried to stop, it's likely that person would have been added to the assault.

It's sick, but if *you* were the only one to stand up against a mob of 5 - 10+ (I'm just giving numbers here, I didn't notice it give any specific numbers to go by), I'm sure you'd be hesitant to act. I'd love to think that I'd have the guts to act to stop what's going on, maybe not directly, but indirectly. I would've contacted the cops/authorities as soon as I heard something I'm sure. Maybe go so far as to try to document if there was nothing I could do directly. I would hate to think I would just stand there and watch, or (worse) walk away and do nothing.[/QUOTE]

Everyone has a cell phone these days. I'd call 911 as soon as I stumbled upon this. I know it's hard to think of solutions to something like this going on, but it was in the highschool homecoming dance parking lot. My first thought, as I was reading the article, was to get behind the wheel of my car and high beam the mob. Threaten to run them over.
 
Cajungal

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Disgusting. Disgusting, disgusting, disgusting.

And it reminds me of a speech I had to memorize in high school. It was about mob mentality, and one example was a guy who simulated intercourse with a woman that his friends had raped rather than go and get help.

Disgusting.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

OK, I'm going to play the Devil's advocate side here.
It's easy enough, when presented like this, to say you'd intervene immediately, call the cops, whatnot. But you don't know everything at the time it happens.

Say you're a 17 year old guy. Some friend runs up, and tells you "yo, there's two guys banging a hot chick in the parking lot! She's drunk as fuck man, she'll do anything!"; is your first reaction to call the cops? Consider that you're probably half-drunk, yourself. Yes, it's wrong, and you might even realise at the time, but the "whoa dude, I have to go see!" factor's there. You might not even realise, at that time, that anything really wrong (besides a guy taking advantage of a drunk chick / drunk slut givin' it all up, choose as you wish). You might not see it as rape until after the facts; or after having seen what's going on, etc.
Words like "gang raped" may make it seem like she was being horribly violently fighting back but being raped by a dozen guys regardless, but such may not have been the case.

Once again, I must say that I personally obviously hope I'd have called the cops, and knowing my reactions in the past to similar things; I probably would've. Still.
 
Dave

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If she was drugged she may not have looked like she was fighting back at first glance. But she was sent to the hospital with critical injuries, which suggests that at second glance it should have been obvious there was something going on.

No reason to stay and not call 911.
 
Shannow

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yeah, this part of the story kinda goes against the "Some friend runs up, and tells you "yo, there's two guys banging a hot chick in the parking lot! She's drunk as fuck man, she'll do anything!" argument:

The victim was found unconscious and "brutally assaulted" under a bench shortly before midnight Saturday,
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Shegokigo

Shegokigo

No it doesn't, that just means by the end of the night that's where she ended up after people got bored of watching/participating and left her.
 
Shannow

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Time to bring in the horrible humor, I see.

Well then, where is the poll, with the "join in" option?
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

I hate to point this out to everyone, but the bystander effect is a psychologically recognized phenomenon. You can say you'd do this or that in a situation, but odds are, you probabaly wouldn't.

I know it hurts your fragile ego to believe that you could be influenced by mob or group mentality, but it does happen.

In many instances, it's the fact that everyone in the crowd assumes that someone else is already doing something about it, or will do something about it.

TLDNR version: You can never know how you will react in a situation until you're actually put into that situation, regarless of what you THINK you would do.
 
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chakz

Chippy;284242][quote=Bubble181 said:
Words like "gang raped" may make it seem like she was being horribly violently fighting back but being raped by a dozen guys regardless, but such may not have been the case.
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Edit: Better gif idea for this. Your post is the hotdog.

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Actually. The toxicology report coming back, she could have been drugged, and given the average male high schoolers opinions on sex, I can see this as a more likly scenario, or at least I'd like to hope that it was a bunch of idiots thinking that had hit the free porn jackpot rather than that there is a high school out there producing such monsters.

If this is not some case of extreme dumbassery and they were willingly and intentionally gang raping this girl, I'd be right next to chaz in that car. Possibly hanging out the window with a sledge hammer taken 'em down croquet style.
 
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WolfOfOdin

.....Well. Reading this makes me want to kill a whole lotta folk.
 
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Chazwozel

Bowielee said:
I hate to point this out to everyone, but the bystander effect is a psychologically recognized phenomenon. You can say you'd do this or that in a situation, but odds are, you probabaly wouldn't.

I know it hurts your fragile ego to believe that you could be influenced by mob or group mentality, but it does happen.

In many instances, it's the fact that everyone in the crowd assumes that someone else is already doing something about it, or will do something about it.

TLDNR version: You can never know how you will react in a situation until you're actually put into that situation, regarless of what you THINK you would do.
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Been there done that, and brawled against three guys at once.

I've been part of the mob too before. All depends on the situation. In this situation, I would know to fucking call 911 regardless if it was a gangrape or gangbang.
 
Shegokigo

Shegokigo

I've been in a "Bystander Effect" situation before, but it wasn't inaction that kept me watching.

None the less, I never said I condoned this situation, just making a comment toward Bowielee's response.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Chazwozel;284256][quote=Bowielee said:
I hate to point this out to everyone, but the bystander effect is a psychologically recognized phenomenon. You can say you'd do this or that in a situation, but odds are, you probabaly wouldn't.

I know it hurts your fragile ego to believe that you could be influenced by mob or group mentality, but it does happen.

In many instances, it's the fact that everyone in the crowd assumes that someone else is already doing something about it, or will do something about it.

TLDNR version: You can never know how you will react in a situation until you're actually put into that situation, regarless of what you THINK you would do.
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Been there done that, and brawled against three guys at once.

I've been part of the mob too before. All depends on the situation. In this situation, I would know to fucking call 911 regardless if it was a gangrape or gangbang.[/QUOTE]

And what if you saw someone on their cell phone and assumed that THEY were calling 911?

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-bystander-effect.htm

I would like to think that I'd be the one to actually take action, but I really can't guarantee that I would be, and neither can any of you. My point really is that it's really easy as an outside observer to take the high ground and call everyone there reprehensible, but it's not quite so black and white as all that.
 
Espy

Espy

People can say whatever they want... If I saw a few dudes getting it on with some chick in a parking lot I would call 911 regardless of whether it was rape or not.

It's just common sense.
 
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