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Apparently Bruce Campbell confirmed a new Evil Dead movie today on Twitter



Anyone else got any info?

FINALLY!

I will be happy when someone explains the word "remake" in that sentence. More Evil Dead with the Ash we all know and love = win. Remake = Why?

There has never been a truer sign that Hollywood is scraping the bottom of the idea barrel.

I love Evil Dead. Let's get that out of the way.

There is 100% no good reason for a sequel.

Evil Dead 2 was a remake of Evil Dead 1 so what exactly are they going to remake? Evil Dead again? And Evil Dead wasn't good because it was scary!

Fear the remake...
http://www.movieline.com/2011/07/surprise-diablo-cody-is-polishing-that-evil-dead-remake.php

Yep. No reason to see that. I'll just keep watching my mail for the Book of the Dead copy of Evil Dead on it's way and watch that instead.

Wait, Diablo Cody?

WHYYYYYYYY?

Sam Raimi is NOT directing?

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??

General Specific said:

Wait, Diablo Cody?

WHYYYYYYYY?

Sam Raimi is NOT directing?

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??

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Good question. I dunno why!!!!!

Sam Raimi is busy with directing Oz, the Great and Powerful.

But Evil Dead is HIS movie. His and Bruce Campbell's, anyway. If Raimi is not directing and Bruce is not starring, I highly doubt I'll see it.

Just because it's being "developed" doesn't mean it's being "produced".

Well, Raimi and Campbell are signed on to produce, so there you go.

The only way I would see this is if A., Ash was an older dude who gets visited by evil one final time and B. Sam fucking Raimi was directing. The technique and passion that went into making these movies was intensely personal.

Bowielee said:

Fear the remake...

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Bowielee said:

http://www.movieline.com/2011/07/surprise-diablo-cody-is-polishing-that-evil-dead-remake.php

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"Listen up, you primitive screw-heads! This ... is ... my BOOMSTICK! Honest to blog."
Kills self

And I necro the thread! For good reason.

A year and some change later, we have a preview.

It's going back to horror instead of comedy, and gets very... slice-ey.

Tree rape confirmed, I'm in.

Even though it's being presented as another generic horror flick, the gore in this alone looks unique enough that I'm hesitantly interesting.

I can't stand gratuitous gore. I just find it annoying. That's why I avoid the "torture porn" subgenre of horror flicks at all costs (Hostel, for example). So I'm still on the fence. I just need to be convinced that the horror aspects rely on something more than "ew isn't that gross?!" type effects.

We need a good new asylum-set horror flick; preferably a large, abandoned hospital style asylum, as opposed to a lone house or mansion setting. There're just too many horror flicks that rely on the supernatural right now. Zombies, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, poltergeists, possessions, etc. are just getting over-played. Saw was a good anti-supernatural horror flick, but the repetition got a little old after the first few movies. I could really go for a horror detective-story, or something that's more of a mindfuck than it is a gore filled slasher flick. Or, you know, Cthulu. A really well done Lovecraftian Cthulu flick, set in a Victorian setting could be a very nice change of pace.

I just... I just don't see the point without Bruce.

Gared said:

Or, you know, Cthulu. A really well done Lovecraftian Cthulu flick, set in a Victorian setting could be a very nice change of pace.

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As much as I love this, no studio wants to touch Lovecraft. If Guillermo Del Toro can't get one made, no one can. Well, not a version true to the source material. I'm sure Michael Bay could get something funded if the premise involves the US military blowing up lots of things.[DOUBLEPOST=1351198166][/DOUBLEPOST]

Espy said:

I just... I just don't see the point without Bruce.

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He really did make the films, didn't he? This trailer feels like it's lacking the spark that Bruce brought to the originals.

Tress said:

I can't stand gratuitous gore. I just find it annoying. That's why I avoid the "torture porn" subgenre of horror flicks at all costs (Hostel, for example). So I'm still on the fence. I just need to be convinced that the horror aspects rely on something more than "ew isn't that gross?!" type effects.

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Now see, I don't mind gratuitous gore if it's ridiculously over the top like this. Torture porn is different, I feel. But I love the gory slasher flicks because I love to see what they do with practical effects, not just CGI.

For example, in one of the Hatchet movies, the slasher pulls someone's mouth open, ripping the top part of their head from the upper jawbone and up. And then you see this comically long tongue flapping about. I just find that stuff hilarious because it's so implausible.

ThatNickGuy said:

For example, in one of the Hatchet movies, the slasher pulls someone's mouth open, ripping the top part of their head from the upper jawbone and up. And then you see this comically long tongue flapping about. I just find that stuff hilarious because it's so implausible.

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Was it Terry Crews??

I have to admit, torture porn was the first phrase that came to mind. Also, I'm sure there's going to be some Bruce Campbell cameo in there somewhere, but...I dunno. I don't see myself really bothering with what looks like a generic kill-off-the-group horror movie so far.

CynicismKills said:

I have to admit, torture porn was the first phrase that came to mind. Also, I'm sure there's going to be some Bruce Campbell cameo in there somewhere, but...I dunno. I don't see myself really bothering with what looks like a generic kill-off-the-group horror movie so far.

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Yeah, I'm gonna have to be really won over by future marketing materials. Raimi is only producing and Diablo "hipsterstripper" Cody is writing it so... It will be like "Juno" meets "Hostel"!

Ok, I'd see that movie.

Ehhhhh I wasn't super big on Juno, she writes like Whdeon did on Buffy in the 90's, but with an R rating. In 2012+ I don't know if that's a good thing.

In general, the whole torture porn genre just doesn't appeal to me. I watched the first Saw and thought it an interesting movie, but now that there's like 57 sequels to that plus the crapload of variations of the theme (such as Hostel and the Human Centipede)... I dunno, I just think it is pretty terrifying to think that we as a culture keep watching movies where the whole point is the slow and terrifying destruction of the human body, with each movie trying to out-torture the previous ones.

Somehow, there's a difference between torture porn like Saw and Hostel, and the slasher movies I love, like Nightmare on Elm St, Friday the 13, and more recently, Hatchet.

I just can't put my finger on what exactly is the difference. Supernatural element, maybe? Not taking itself so seriously? Someone help me out here.

In the latter, the horror comes from waiting for the inevitable attack and the victim's struggle to survive with a chance for actually succeeding. Death of a character is simply the end of the chase.

In the former, the horror comes from finding more and more gory ways you can dismantle and destroy a human being, both physically and mentally. Death is constantly denied or made to be the ultimate desecration of the flesh, and there's a feeling they never had a chance to begin with.

Classic slasher flicks also had a self-conscious awareness of their medium and often had somewhat (sometimes unintentionally) comedic moments to allow the movie-goers a chance to catch their breath. Movies like SAW don't give you that moment to relax.

Tress said:

I can't stand gratuitous gore. I just find it annoying. That's why I avoid the "torture porn" subgenre of horror flicks at all costs (Hostel, for example). So I'm still on the fence. I just need to be convinced that the horror aspects rely on something more than "ew isn't that gross?!" type effects.

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So, you hated the original movies?

With the exception of Army of darkness, the original movies were gory as hell...

Bowielee said:

So, you hated the original movies?

With the exception of Army of darkness, the original movies were gory as hell...

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Gratuitous is the key. Gore doesn't bother me. Gore with nothing else is annoying. The original had plenty of scares and creep outs not based on, as N_R put it so well, "the slow and terrifying destruction of the human body."

The original movie was a standard gory horror movie. It wasn't until Evil Dead 2 that they added the humor element. I will be pissed if this ISN'T gratuitously gory.

The comparison between this and something like say, Hostel or Saw is a false comparison. They are nothing alike.

Bowielee said:

The comparison between this and something like say, Hostel or Saw is a false comparison. They are nothing alike.

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To be fair, none of us have seen the new Evil Dead so we don't really know. I think it's safe to assume that Raimi is more concerned with story than gore, but the trailer does rely heavily on it so it's understandable why people might think the movie will lean in that genre's direction.

I don't know how much influence Raimi has on the film, but I wonder if it'll be similar to Drag Me to Hell: mostly scary, but with some campy and hilarious moments.

ThatNickGuy said:

I don't know how much influence Raimi has on the film, but I wonder if it'll be similar to Drag Me to Hell: mostly scary, but with some campy and hilarious moments.

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That's what I am hoping as well. Raimi can do great horror if he wants to, but when he produces we run the risk of getting shit. I would assume that since Evil Dead is his baby his producer role would be slightly more influential...

Again, the original movie was INCREADIBLY gory. Remember when that character got a pencil dug through their foot? Or the literally gallons of blood?

One of the reasons the originals were popular was BECAUSE of the gore.

Also, Drag Me to Hell was a terrible, terrible movie.

Bowielee said:

Again, the original movie was INCREADIBLY gory. Remember when that character got a pencil dug through their foot? Or the literally gallons of blood?

One of the reasons the originals were popular was BECAUSE of the gore.

Also, Drag Me to Hell was a terrible, terrible movie.

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The original was. No doubt. I have no problems with this being incredibly gory either, but I expect it wouldn't be solely focused on gore as the "torture porn" genre tends to be.

Why didn't you like Drag Me to Hell Bowie?

It wasn't in the least bit scary or funny. The "twist" at the end was telegraphed by a mile. There wasn't a single character that was likable or fleshed out in any manner.

Drag Me to Hell was one of the better horror flicks I'd seen in a decade.

Also, you're right about the gore of the originals, Bowie. The first was more of a horror, but the second used a motto called "the gore the merrier," where we had blood not just dribbling but gushing like a fire hose. It was so over the top and ridiculous that it was hard to be scared by it.[DOUBLEPOST=1351377274][/DOUBLEPOST]

Bowielee said:

It wasn't in the least bit scary or funny. The "twist" at the end was telegraphed by a mile. There wasn't a single character that was likable or fleshed out in any manner.

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The "twist" wasn't supposed to be any kind of secret. That's what made it so awesome. Because she was going through all these hoops in the graveyard when you know, you just know, that there was a switcharoo done. And I don't think they were meant to be likeable characters, either. She certainly wasn't.

OK, I've given my reasons. What was good about it?

Bowielee said:

It wasn't in the least bit scary or funny. The "twist" at the end was telegraphed by a mile. There wasn't a single character that was likable or fleshed out in any manner.

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Well. It sound like it was not your cup of tea.

Espy said:

Well. It sound like it was not your cup of tea.

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See, that's my issue with the movie. I SHOULD have loved it, but it was just so bland, generic and with no one to root for.

Bowielee said:

See, that's my issue with the movie. I SHOULD have loved it, but it was just so bland, generic and with no one to root for.

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Fair enough.

I've already stated my deep, deep dislike for Drag Me To Hell. Just check the Talk About the Last Movie thread and you'll see.

Bowielee said:

OK, I've given my reasons. What was good about it?

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It was an interesting allegory to eating disorders. Also, an old lady gets punched in the mouth like 50 goddamn times.

It's been my experience that Drag Me to Hell is one of those "love it or hate it" movies. The first time I saw it was in theatres. The particular theatre had an AMAZING sound system, so when there was that thumping from behind a door or any kind of build up, it was cacophonous. So the frightening stuff was awesome.

But yeah, either you like it or you don't. It's like other people trying to convince me to like the Watchmen movie.

I am FUCKING seeing this movie! The gore...ITS PURE ART! Course that might've been all the good gore and the rest of the movie is mediocre. BUT I IS TAKING MAH CHANCES!

Drag Me To Hell was too jump-scare centric for me. Jump scares are cop-outs.

One of the points Phaelus always makes in his videos that I agree with is that in order for any scary movie to be successful, you have to care about the characters who are being hunted down by the killer/monster. For example, the main characters in Hostel are all just horrible human beings, so there's no suspense in them getting killed because you don't give a rats ass about them.

Wow, I really disagree with that statement. The whole reason I love slasher movies is because the people getting killed are either idiots or jerks. So when they get killed, you don't feel bad because it's their own damn fault for being so stupid or they're receiving what they deserved. The best horror movies are the ones where the bad guy wins in the end, anyway.

It works the same similar with Drag Me to Hell. She seems all sweet at first, but when she starts going through the ordeal, you start to see what sort of person she is. Like laughing and calling the old lady a bitch after locking her out of the car. That's just BEGGING for comeuppance. Then you have the idiot boyfriend who thinks she's going crazy.

I'm actually in the middle of watching Drag Me to Hell right now. I'm reminded heavily of Tales from the Crypt. It's purposely campy and over the top, with a lot of moments that could be scary or hilarious. And I really disagree on its jump scares. It's not just the jump scares it does, but the build up to those jump scares. Even when you know, you know, you totally know that a scare is coming, it still gets you. Like the palm reading at the very beginning. Every time I watch the movie, I still get startled by it, even though I know exactly what's going to happen.

I've never been a fan of jump-scares. It's the reason I don't watch a lot of horror, as that seems to be the prevalent HAHA YOU SCARED NOW. To this day the one movie that disturbed/scared me the most is still the first Amityville Horror. Those eyes in the window spooked me the fuck out for a week.

I agree, Spoony said in his review of Paranormal activity that jump scares are the horror equivalent to a pie in the face for humor. It's lazy, and quite frankly, Sam Rami is so much better than that.

ThatNickGuy said:

Wow, I really disagree with that statement. The whole reason I love slasher movies is because the people getting killed are either idiots or jerks. So when they get killed, you don't feel bad because it's their own damn fault for being so stupid or they're receiving what they deserved. The best horror movies are the ones where the bad guy wins in the end, anyway.

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Nick, if I didn't love ya, I'd be slamming you with a third Disagree. Scariness and horror does not come from cheering for the bad guy to go kill people.

Horror works on caring about the characters because that creates suspense, not when you want to see them killed, but because you're anxious about the chance of something bad happening to those people. It creates suspense, rather than cheering for comeuppance and laughing at the outcome. I have fun with Evil Dead, Slither, and other gore horror or horror-comedies, but they are not scary in the slightest. Loud noises and gross effects might make a viewer uncomfortable during the movie, but the truly effective horror film is going to make you uncomfortable after the movie is over.

Quotemander Prime said:

but the truly effective horror film is going to make you uncomfortable after the movie is over.

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I couldn't agree with you more.

Now I may be the minority hear, but I am still hoping to get some laughs from this movie like the original trilogy. Bring on the campyness!

Bowielee said:

I agree, Spoony said in his review of Paranormal activity that jump scares are the horror equivalent to a pie in the face for humor. It's lazy, and quite frankly, Sam Rami is so much better than that.

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Indeed, he pioneered the exact opposite of the jump scare - the uncut monster POV chase sequence. No "startles" for easy adrenaline there... you see the whole sequence through the monster's eyes from the stalk through the final lunge for the epiglottis. That's a good technique.

Yoshimickster said:

Now I may be the minority hear, but I am still hoping to get some laughs from this movie like the original trilogy. Bring on the campyness!

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Dear God, we are all hoping for some campiness. It's just that a lot of us, it seems, are fed up with torture porn. And there seems to be some of that in the trailer

See, here's where we differ. I see gore. Gore != torture porn.

To me, the main difference between gore and torture porn is the speed at which the blade moves.

Drag me to hell was awesome.

That is all.

Enough with the goddamn disagrees already. Jesus christ, you're like children.[DOUBLEPOST=1351547069][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, no one other than Nick has even defended their position about why the movie was any good.

Necronic said:

Drag me to hell was awesome.

That is all.

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@Bowie, I didn't know we were having a debate. I just asked you why you didn't like it. But since you asked...
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It wasn't in the least bit scary or funny.
Well thats a pretty absolute subjective statement wouldn't you say? I'm guessing lots of us thought it was both scary and/or funny. So was it? To you? No. To me and others? Yes. So who is right? Both of us.

The "twist" at the end was telegraphed by a mile.
It was. Kind of. It was telegraphed in a way that, in my oh so very subjective opinion, helped to build tension and this movie was all about tension building and dread. I also wouldn't really call it a twist but whatev.

There wasn't a single character that was likable or fleshed out in any manner.
Eeeeeeeh, thats pretty subjective as well. However it doesn't matter because how likable she was wasn't the point of her character. I think the point of the main character was for her to be a representation of the audiences own doubts about how they would deal with making the choice she made in the film that caused everything. We've all made selfish choices and we all worry a little about the consequences we may face because of them. This movie played on that fear. Good horror takes the fears of audience and forces them to deal with them via the main character(s). I didn't particularly "like" her but I sure as hell sympathized with her.

Espy said:

The "twist" at the end was telegraphed by a mile.
It was. Kind of. It was telegraphed in a way that, in my oh so very subjective opinion, helped to build tension and this movie was all about tension building and dread. I also wouldn't really call it a twist but whatev.

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It was in the title.

Bowielee said:

Enough with the goddamn disagrees already. Jesus christ, you're like children.[DOUBLEPOST=1351547069][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, no one other than Nick has even defended their position about why the movie was any good.

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I don't normally disagree, but how could I not in that post?

Also, I gave my brief opinion.

GasBandit said:

To me, the main difference between gore and torture porn is the speed at which the blade moves.

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Holy shit, that's a great way of phrasing it.