That's what I am hoping as well. Raimi can do great horror if he wants to, but when he produces we run the risk of getting shit. I would assume that since Evil Dead is his baby his producer role would be slightly more influential...
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The original was. No doubt. I have no problems with this being incredibly gory either, but I expect it wouldn't be solely focused on gore as the "torture porn" genre tends to be.
Why didn't you like Drag Me to Hell Bowie?
Drag Me to Hell was one of the better horror flicks I'd seen in a decade.
Also, you're right about the gore of the originals, Bowie. The first was more of a horror, but the second used a motto called "the gore the merrier," where we had blood not just dribbling but gushing like a fire hose. It was so over the top and ridiculous that it was hard to be scared by it.[DOUBLEPOST=1351377274][/DOUBLEPOST]
Also, you're right about the gore of the originals, Bowie. The first was more of a horror, but the second used a motto called "the gore the merrier," where we had blood not just dribbling but gushing like a fire hose. It was so over the top and ridiculous that it was hard to be scared by it.[DOUBLEPOST=1351377274][/DOUBLEPOST]
The "twist" wasn't supposed to be any kind of secret. That's what made it so awesome. Because she was going through all these hoops in the graveyard when you know, you just know, that there was a switcharoo done. And I don't think they were meant to be likeable characters, either. She certainly wasn't.
Well. It sound like it was not your cup of tea.
See, that's my issue with the movie. I SHOULD have loved it, but it was just so bland, generic and with no one to root for.
Fair enough.
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I've already stated my deep, deep dislike for Drag Me To Hell. Just check the Talk About the Last Movie thread and you'll see.
It was an interesting allegory to eating disorders. Also, an old lady gets punched in the mouth like 50 goddamn times.
It's been my experience that Drag Me to Hell is one of those "love it or hate it" movies. The first time I saw it was in theatres. The particular theatre had an AMAZING sound system, so when there was that thumping from behind a door or any kind of build up, it was cacophonous. So the frightening stuff was awesome.
But yeah, either you like it or you don't. It's like other people trying to convince me to like the Watchmen movie.
But yeah, either you like it or you don't. It's like other people trying to convince me to like the Watchmen movie.
I am FUCKING seeing this movie! The gore...ITS PURE ART! Course that might've been all the good gore and the rest of the movie is mediocre. BUT I IS TAKING MAH CHANCES!
Drag Me To Hell was too jump-scare centric for me. Jump scares are cop-outs.
One of the points Phaelus always makes in his videos that I agree with is that in order for any scary movie to be successful, you have to care about the characters who are being hunted down by the killer/monster. For example, the main characters in Hostel are all just horrible human beings, so there's no suspense in them getting killed because you don't give a rats ass about them.
Wow, I really disagree with that statement. The whole reason I love slasher movies is because the people getting killed are either idiots or jerks. So when they get killed, you don't feel bad because it's their own damn fault for being so stupid or they're receiving what they deserved. The best horror movies are the ones where the bad guy wins in the end, anyway.
It works the same similar with Drag Me to Hell. She seems all sweet at first, but when she starts going through the ordeal, you start to see what sort of person she is. Like laughing and calling the old lady a bitch after locking her out of the car. That's just BEGGING for comeuppance. Then you have the idiot boyfriend who thinks she's going crazy.
I'm actually in the middle of watching Drag Me to Hell right now. I'm reminded heavily of Tales from the Crypt. It's purposely campy and over the top, with a lot of moments that could be scary or hilarious. And I really disagree on its jump scares. It's not just the jump scares it does, but the build up to those jump scares. Even when you know, you know, you totally know that a scare is coming, it still gets you. Like the palm reading at the very beginning. Every time I watch the movie, I still get startled by it, even though I know exactly what's going to happen.
It works the same similar with Drag Me to Hell. She seems all sweet at first, but when she starts going through the ordeal, you start to see what sort of person she is. Like laughing and calling the old lady a bitch after locking her out of the car. That's just BEGGING for comeuppance. Then you have the idiot boyfriend who thinks she's going crazy.
I'm actually in the middle of watching Drag Me to Hell right now. I'm reminded heavily of Tales from the Crypt. It's purposely campy and over the top, with a lot of moments that could be scary or hilarious. And I really disagree on its jump scares. It's not just the jump scares it does, but the build up to those jump scares. Even when you know, you know, you totally know that a scare is coming, it still gets you. Like the palm reading at the very beginning. Every time I watch the movie, I still get startled by it, even though I know exactly what's going to happen.
I've never been a fan of jump-scares. It's the reason I don't watch a lot of horror, as that seems to be the prevalent HAHA YOU SCARED NOW. To this day the one movie that disturbed/scared me the most is still the first Amityville Horror. Those eyes in the window spooked me the fuck out for a week.
Nick, if I didn't love ya, I'd be slamming you with a third Disagree. Scariness and horror does not come from cheering for the bad guy to go kill people.
Horror works on caring about the characters because that creates suspense, not when you want to see them killed, but because you're anxious about the chance of something bad happening to those people. It creates suspense, rather than cheering for comeuppance and laughing at the outcome. I have fun with Evil Dead, Slither, and other gore horror or horror-comedies, but they are not scary in the slightest. Loud noises and gross effects might make a viewer uncomfortable during the movie, but the truly effective horror film is going to make you uncomfortable after the movie is over.
Now I may be the minority hear, but I am still hoping to get some laughs from this movie like the original trilogy. Bring on the campyness!
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Indeed, he pioneered the exact opposite of the jump scare - the uncut monster POV chase sequence. No "startles" for easy adrenaline there... you see the whole sequence through the monster's eyes from the stalk through the final lunge for the epiglottis. That's a good technique.
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Dear God, we are all hoping for some campiness. It's just that a lot of us, it seems, are fed up with torture porn. And there seems to be some of that in the trailer
@Bowie, I didn't know we were having a debate. I just asked you why you didn't like it. But since you asked...
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It wasn't in the least bit scary or funny.
Well thats a pretty absolute subjective statement wouldn't you say? I'm guessing lots of us thought it was both scary and/or funny. So was it? To you? No. To me and others? Yes. So who is right? Both of us.
The "twist" at the end was telegraphed by a mile.
It was. Kind of. It was telegraphed in a way that, in my oh so very subjective opinion, helped to build tension and this movie was all about tension building and dread. I also wouldn't really call it a twist but whatev.
There wasn't a single character that was likable or fleshed out in any manner.
Eeeeeeeh, thats pretty subjective as well. However it doesn't matter because how likable she was wasn't the point of her character. I think the point of the main character was for her to be a representation of the audiences own doubts about how they would deal with making the choice she made in the film that caused everything. We've all made selfish choices and we all worry a little about the consequences we may face because of them. This movie played on that fear. Good horror takes the fears of audience and forces them to deal with them via the main character(s). I didn't particularly "like" her but I sure as hell sympathized with her.
It was in the title.
I don't normally disagree, but how could I not in that post?
Also, I gave my brief opinion.
Holy shit, that's a great way of phrasing it.
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