Captain America - the first great Marvel Studios movie?
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I like Lobo. 
Hellava lot more than Wolverine.
Hellava lot more than Wolverine.
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Lack of tone on the web and all, so I don't know if this is what you're saying, but he was quite literally. He was introduced partly as a gag version of Wolverine.
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Until WW Hulk, it was pretty safe to say that DC characters in general were worlds more powerful than Marvel. Which always made the Superman v. Hulk argument seem moot to me. Hulk not angry is rated at 100 tons super strength. Anger increases that, but how much? A few times (again before the absolutely ridiculous strength levels in WWH)? Superman, according to my admittedly older DC RPG manual was rated at 50,000 tons. That's 500 times stronger. Oops. Sorry about that. Got off topic.
Isn't Sentry basically the Marvel Superman? Powered by the Sun and all that jazz.
Yep. It's be sun-powered dude vs. sun-powered dude. They'd be stalemating 'til the cows come home. That said, Superman still has a lot more emotional control over the situation, so he'd figure something out long before Sentry did.
Actually Hulk went into Silver Age Supes ridiculous strength levels plenty of times before WWH... and i don't know when the first time they said it was, but it's been established that he has no upper strength limit plenty of times...
Namor is awesome... in his 1st appearance he crushes to death 2 divers in those old timey suits and doesn't even bother to try to figure out if they where humans in suits or robots...That's because no one likes Namor or Aquaman.
Generally speaking, anyone defined solely by one power is going to be able to do that one thing better than anyone else (unless they go up against someone similarly defined), possibly to unbelievable levels. This is why the Flash can outrun Superman, why the Hulk is the strongest of all characters and why the Thing can take hits like no one else... it's because these abilities are their defining traits.
Isn't implied in some other comics later down the line that Wolverine (or someone else) actual paid Lobo to take a dive during that fight? It makes a lot of sense in retrospect and is perfectly in character for Lobo.
Too bad it took DC decades to realise that and allow others to out-do Superman at something...
"Those where for charity, Clark!" was awesome for that reason.
That's because they were focusing on his powers... when the core of Superman's identity is actually his virtue. Sure, Superman is one of the most formidable forces in the DC universe, but that's not what makes him amazing. What makes him amazing is that he's able to use his talents for the public good, without a thought towards using them for self-gain. Even Batman (who spends millions, if not billions, of dollars on charity) still uses his vast intelligence to make money for his personal use.
There ain't enough likes in the universe for that post, Ashster.
Y-y-you mean it's not?
Um. I'll be right back.
Um. I'll be right back.
I think that's what makes him boring myself. Another reason I dug Sentry, who was his own worst enemy. Though Marvel being seemingly unable to decide what was what with Sentry really hurt him in the long run until his outright death at the hands of Thor.
Everyone universe needs a boyscout... a measure by which to judge what is right and what is wrong. Marvel has Spiderman, who toils in his city despite the fact that a lot of the public thinks he's a criminal himself and knowing that he will never be rewarded for his actions. It's essentially the same thing, except Peter knows the costs of giving into temptation and doesn't get all the parades that Superman does... mainly because the cops are after him.
I'd even argue that Spidey isn't even as good an example, mainly because he uses his own alter ego to make a living. He's a brilliant chemist and fucking makes his living as a photographer? Worse, he can only unload pictures of himself? At least Superman's day job doesn't involve him using his own powers or cashing in on his own image.
(And FUCK One Day More. That was Quesada ruining 50+ years of development for personal reasons. That deal with the Devil doesn't count.)
I'd say Cap's more boyscout than Spidey. But it's hard to say.
Cap tends to waver too much to be a good barometer. For one thing, he's willing to kill. For another, he's done some questionable things in the line of duty (though he usually understands that what he's doing is wrong).
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The thing is that when it comes to killing. I have some thought on pro and cons. I can see how Batman doesn't kill, but the villians doesn't seem to want to redeem themselves (continue their evil ways) There are some villians who will always be villians and never redeem. Should we keep them alive? what is the purpose?
It's about not sinking to their level and about proving whose philosophy is ultimately correct. Almost every one of Batman's Rogue's Gallery is defined by a viewpoint that isn't exactly contrary to Batman, but is a step further than he'd go...
- Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze: That the Ends justify the Means.
- Two-Face: That there is no such thing as Justice, only Chance.
- Catwoman: You should take what you want, even if its not yours.
- The Red Hood: That the guilty aren't ever punished enough.
- The Joker: That rules are meaningless if they can't protect you.
- Scarecrow: That people are driven by Fear and Fear alone.
- Scarface: That Delusions are just as real as Reality.
For him, each of Batman's foes represents what he could be if ever gave in. In other words, Batman can't kill them (or let them be killed through inaction) because if he ever did, he would become just as bad as they are. He can't kill them, even if it would make things easier for him.
Bah, post-crisis Supes still ain't older then pre-crisis Supes... and they still Marty Stu him way too often. But it's better the superdickery i guess.
Yeah, he just lets Lois report on him and just shares a byline with her from time to time...
He's barely any older during the Batman Beyond series as well. All he has is a streak of grey and a few wrinkles... while Bruce looks like the fucking Crypt Keeper. I think it's because of his Kryptonian DNA or the yellow sun or some shit. It's never really explained but yes, Superman does seem to age very well.
I think it's pretty well established that only Lois Lane and Jimmy write Superman articles for the Daily Planet. Clark certainly doesn't, mainly because he's "never around" whenever Superman is doing stuff. If he's sharing a byline with Lois, it's because they were both covering the event.
Ehhh... i think you missed something... i was talking in real life terms... 1940's - 1980's = over 40 years... 1980's - today = less then 20 years...
And when that event happens to include Supes he's technically profiting from his own heroics...
... You declared Spider-Man Superman's Marvel equal, and then immediately went into why he's not as good at it. Am I the only one who thinks that's a bit messed up?
(Marvel's boyscout is Cap)
(Marvel's boyscout is Cap)
I'm willing to give him a pass if it's a situation where he kinda needs to go along with it. If the choice is to take the money or raise questions about his identity, it's clear which is the safer choice.
I didn't use Cap because he kills people (something Superman never does and Spidey has never done intentionally) and because the US Government has made him do some rather questionable things. Plus there is the whole Civil War thing... but I guess it does seem a bit messed up.
Are there any other choices besides the those two?
But you're not willing to give Spidey one as he clearly needs to money to finance his crime fighting?
Seriously, being a Marvel character makes Spidey no where near Supes "perfection", but making money off pictures of himself is like the last argument i'd use to show the difference...
No, because that's exactly what separated Marvel from DC and why a lot of people see the Silver Age starting with FF instead of Barry Allen's Flash...
So it being ingrained in a fans psyche is to be expected...
Except that Peter is a brilliant chemist and inventor whose been shown to make his own web fluid, web shooters, and making new things when needed. He could clearly be making a more honest living on his own.
It's actually implied that the main reason Reed Richards is useless is because he essentially extorts money from companies by making a better version of their product for less and then he gets them to buy the rights to it. Basically, the world isn't a Super Science paradise because it would ruin the economy.
Yeah, i'm sure all that unlimited energy and instant transport of food and other goods would totally suck for the poor...
Uhhhh, guys? Presently Peter Parker works for Horizon Labs (imagine Google, Apple, DC's Star Labs rolled into one workplace) developing whatever the hell he feels like. As I recall, he has already made the company tidy profits on noise canceling ear buds based on a stealth suit he built to fight Hobgoblin III, and something else that escapes me.
Of course, this only in the last few months or so (thought since ASM comes out thrice monthly, its likely been in the equivalent a year's worth of issues for any other book) and it won't last, but he is making the exact kind of more "honest" living right now.
Marvel doesn't have a person with the morals of Superman, for two reasons. 1) Their whole schtick, since the earliest days, has been people with flaws. 2) Not even Thor approaches the same god like levels of power that Superman has, thus negating the need to be that incredibly virtuous. The only Marvel characters I can think of who do/did have that level of power are The Sentry (nice guy, but mentally ill all to hell), Molecule Man (a villain, but a guy who just wants to be left alone), and Silver Surfer (who is a good man, though somewhat detached from "mortals").
Of course, this only in the last few months or so (thought since ASM comes out thrice monthly, its likely been in the equivalent a year's worth of issues for any other book) and it won't last, but he is making the exact kind of more "honest" living right now.
Marvel doesn't have a person with the morals of Superman, for two reasons. 1) Their whole schtick, since the earliest days, has been people with flaws. 2) Not even Thor approaches the same god like levels of power that Superman has, thus negating the need to be that incredibly virtuous. The only Marvel characters I can think of who do/did have that level of power are The Sentry (nice guy, but mentally ill all to hell), Molecule Man (a villain, but a guy who just wants to be left alone), and Silver Surfer (who is a good man, though somewhat detached from "mortals").
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