Congresswoman Shot
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Patton Oswalt made a comment about that SarahPAC picture, but given other recent events closer to home I'll not post them here.
From the (alleged) shooter's YouTube postings, I'd say this cat's a whole special brand of crazy that the rhetoric one way or another wouldn't have made much of a difference.
From the (alleged) shooter's YouTube postings, I'd say this cat's a whole special brand of crazy that the rhetoric one way or another wouldn't have made much of a difference.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/bi...nddaughter-dies-in-Arizona-sho?urn=mlb-305133
The little girl that was murdered.
The little girl that was murdered.
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rabbitgod
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/politics/?gt1=43001
Includes a list of current dead. And a bit about the possible 2nd suspect.
Dorwin Stoddard is a pastor at the Church half a block from my house. The one I tell everybody to turn at when giving directions to my house.
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I'll join everybody else in the thread in saying that the comments from everybody in each article are pretty mind numbing. While I may be concerned about how the very small fringe group of both sides advocates violence when they lose, this is not the time for it. They still need to figure shit out.
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One more.
That SarahPAC site annoys me beyond the sillyness of crosshairs on congressional districts. What's really annoying is that the AZ-8 one isn't even in the right spot. Come on, do some research, there's only 20 them, it's not that complicated.
Includes a list of current dead. And a bit about the possible 2nd suspect.
Dorwin Stoddard is a pastor at the Church half a block from my house. The one I tell everybody to turn at when giving directions to my house.
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I'll join everybody else in the thread in saying that the comments from everybody in each article are pretty mind numbing. While I may be concerned about how the very small fringe group of both sides advocates violence when they lose, this is not the time for it. They still need to figure shit out.
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One more.
That SarahPAC site annoys me beyond the sillyness of crosshairs on congressional districts. What's really annoying is that the AZ-8 one isn't even in the right spot. Come on, do some research, there's only 20 them, it's not that complicated.
Those church assholes are going to picket the funeral of Arizona shooting victims.
So, just out of curiosity, how long before these idiots are ruled to be attempting to incite a riot?
So, just out of curiosity, how long before these idiots are ruled to be attempting to incite a riot?
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Biannoshufu
They do it hoping someone starts a fight with them, then they sue that person, and the city as well. Its purely about getting press and cash.
Amen to all your points here.
Sad to say it's *increased* the noise coming out of some corners. More than one blog has used yesterday's tragedy to call for (insert liberal personality blogger doesn't like) to be next on the list. Blogger doesn't have much to offer when you click on the "report abuse" link. Yeah, yeah. the author has rights, but when they actively call for the murder of a public figure, they forfeit those rights.
Because so many democratic candidates have been calling for "second amendment solutions".
News is reporting that the suspect left a poorly-worded letter behind that says (through the jumbled phrases) he wanted to assassinate her and planned this for some time. Authorities are also looking into a possible motive relating to white-supremacy and wanting to stop illegal immigration... which strikes me as odd, since I don't think Giffords is considered soft on immigration.
As for the rhetoric thing... I remember a scene on the West Wing where one character talks about how the only thing that matches the amount of hatred on the far right is the amount of smug condescension on the far left. It's true that most liberal pundits don't say anything close to "don't retreat; reload", but you'll see plenty of comments that condemn conservatives as knuckle-dragging inbred monsters. The constant belittling of people with whom they disagree is just harmful to the notion of civil discourse.
As for the rhetoric thing... I remember a scene on the West Wing where one character talks about how the only thing that matches the amount of hatred on the far right is the amount of smug condescension on the far left. It's true that most liberal pundits don't say anything close to "don't retreat; reload", but you'll see plenty of comments that condemn conservatives as knuckle-dragging inbred monsters. The constant belittling of people with whom they disagree is just harmful to the notion of civil discourse.
Yikes. Myspace huh? So is the fact that he uses that going to get him an insanity plea? Seems like a lock for the defense.
Just to make sure he had a few Twinkies while he was in the grocery store.
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rabbitgod
That is exactly what I said when I found out.
So yeah, the rhetoric on both sides has been on the wrong side of 'that' line.
Tress-She doesn't support the fence or increased armament of the border, so for a lot of people that's weak on immigration. I'd like to think it's sane, but hey I guess I'm soft too.
On another note, her husband is a Navy Combat Pilot/Astronaut...yep he's been to space. I'm not saying that people should be worried, but the dude could totally crash a shuttle right into your house, probably best not to shoot their wife. And I've also heard astronauts get one secret kill/year.
Congressman Davis of Illinois received an email message saying he is next.
Yes, it will be days before the danger of swelling will pass. Last I heard she can respond to simple commands. Which is amazing at this stage. It was weeks for my brother to respond to commands after his wreck. He had a major closed head injury.
The brain can do some very interesting things. This is where it is lucky that we only "*use 10%" of our brains.
*not the exact figure.
That's a myth, I'm afraid. We do use all of our brain. It just isn't simultaneous.
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Biannoshufu
http://www.wisepolitics.com/christina-green-9-year-old-killed-in-arizona-shooting-3006.html
According to her uncle, Greg Segalini, Christina Taylor Green was invited to the “Congress on Your Corner” event by a neighbor. The neighbor thought Green would enjoy the event, which was held outside a Safeway.
This was an opportunity for constituents to meet the recently re-elected Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. However, 22-year-old gunman Jared Lee Loughner had other plans. He opened fire, hitting Giffords in the forehead. He also hit nine year old Green.
Green was pronounced dead at the hospital. She went to the event hoping to learn more about politics. Green had been elected to the student council at her school, Mesa Verde Elementary.
Her uncle described her as “real special” and “real sweet.” Local outlet reports stated that her family had described her as “the best daughter in the world.” Green was born on 9/11 and was featured in the book Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11.
Family members stated that Green was excited about life. Green was involved in a number of extracurricular activities, including ballet and baseball of which she was an avid fan. She also was involved in horseback riding and swimming.
Her mother told MSNBC, “I just want her memory to live on, she’s a face of hope, a face of change. Stop the violence, stop the hatred.”
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Dorwan Stoddard
Dorwan and Mavy Stoddard had known each other as children in the Tucson area. They moved away, married other people and had children. After both were widowed, they reunited in their hometown and married nearly 15 years ago. Dorwan, 76, a retired construction worker and gas station owner, was killed as the couple stood in line to meet Giffords, whom Mavy admired.
The couple kept busy in retirement, taking a motor home to fishing holes in Oregon and Colorado and volunteering at the Mountain Avenue Church of Christ.
"They got into people's lives," said Jody Nowak, wife of the Stoddards' pastor, Mike Nowak. "They didn't sit on the pew and do nothing."
The Stoddards often befriended couples who sought assistance from the church, and delivered food and flowers to the sick. Dorwan was a familiar face at the church, as was his black dog, Tux. He spent hours fixing leaks and doing other maintenance jobs. Over the years, he had fallen through a roof and off a ladder but always laughed off his bruises and scrapes.
In a corner of the church's sunlit worship area is a small, soundproof room that Dorwan built so parents could soothe their crying children and still hear the piped-in service. Named for him, it is called Dory's Room.
Nearby, two scratches mar a wall. Dorwan's ladder made the marks when he tumbled off it just before Christmas. Nowak said she thought they would leave the scratches there, in memoriam.
On Saturday morning, Mavy heard blasts that sounded like fireworks, and the couple dove toward some chairs as Dorwan tried to shield Mavy with his body, Nowak said. Mavy was struck at least once in each leg.
"She didn't realize she'd been shot," Nowak said. "All she felt was his weight on her."
"That would be something Dorwan would do," Mike Nowak said. "He would have protected her."
Before Dorwan died, Mavy told Jody, she was able to say goodbye to her husband.
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Phyllis Schneck
The East Coast winters drove Phyllis Schneck, 79, and her husband, Ernie, to Arizona a decade ago. The couple, who met as teens in New Jersey, spent the final years of a 56-year marriage in a quiet retirement community in northwest Tucson, where she was known as an expert quilter who liked to pop by friends' houses with her homemade lemon curd.
Schneck headed to the Safeway on Saturday to meet Giffords. Though Schneck was a Republican, she had recently listened to Giffords on a conference call and hoped to shake her hand.
Schneck's friends remembered her as a kind and caring neighbor. She had run a women's club in New Jersey and became active in her Presbyterian church in Tucson — often donating her handmade aprons and needlepoint projects to benefit food banks and children's charities. One neighbor saw her recently at a neighborhood luau where she arrived in a green floral muumuu, with her famous pineapple upside-down cake.
Her world revolved around her three children, seven grandchildren, 2-year-old great-grandchild and her husband, who was the brother of her childhood best friend. Schneck once did administrative work at Fairleigh Dickinson University, but was mainly devoted to raising her children and her community work, said her daughter Betty-Jean Offutt.
The kitchen was the center of activity in the Schneck home, her daughter said. Ernie, who worked as a sheet metal fabricator in New Jersey, was always home at 5 o'clock so he wouldn't miss Phyllis' cooking. "When the food is good, you go home," said Offutt, who described her mother's macaroni and cheese as "top shelf."
Ernie and Phyllis Schneck shared a sharp sense of humor and often bowled together. They spent summers in a small lakeside community in New Jersey, Offutt said. Ernie died of cancer several years ago.
"They had a wonderful, happy marriage for 56 years," Offutt said, adding that her mother "would give you the shirt off her back. If you didn't have anywhere to go, she'd invite you over to dinner."
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Dorothy Morris
George and Dorothy Morris of Oro Valley, Ariz., met as high school students in Reno. Ever since, friends say, they were at each other's side.Both were shot Saturday morning. Dorothy, 76, died at the scene. George, hit in the chest and leg, is expected to leave intensive care Monday, said his longtime friend, Bill Royle."They seemed like they were on their honeymoon," Royle said. "They were always together."
George, also 76, was an airline pilot, first for Pan Am based in Germany and later for United. He had a side job selling real estate, and long after he retired from flying about 1995, he continued to work. Dorothy worked as his secretary and bookkeeper. They have two daughters, both of whom live in Las Vegas.The two enjoyed retirement. They had a home in Pinetop, Ariz., a small community in the White Mountains, and an another in Panama they would visit about twice a year. Guests were always flowing into their home for regular get-togethers."They were people who were easy to get along with," Royle said. "They had their opinions, especially in politics, [but it was] nothing too radical."
Gabriel Zimmerman
When Gabe Zimmerman visited Washington in 2009 for President Obama's inauguration, he immersed himself in the monuments to American history, one of his passions.
"When we went to the Lincoln Memorial on a cold, damp January morning, the wind whipped through the place and it was freezing cold, but Gabe had to read every single word of the Gettysburg Address," said C.J. Karamargin, who worked with Zimmerman in Giffords' Tucson office.
That intensity was evident in every aspect of Zimmerman's life, including his devotion to his job helping Giffords' constituents, his search for the perfect engagement ring, his newfound zeal for the Byzantine Empire and his hours spent on the Stairmaster.
"He put his all into his work, he put his all into his life," Karamargin said.
Zimmerman, 30, died at Giffords' Congress on Your Corner event, which Zimmerman helped organize.
He joined Giffords' first congressional campaign in 2006, and joined her staff the following year.
Zimmerman's mother, Emily Nottingham, said he loved helping constituents solve problems. "He was always a caring child. It was a good career for him," Nottingham said in her Tucson home.
After graduating from UC Santa Cruz with a bachelor's degree in sociology, Zimmerman worked for Arizona's Children, a treatment facility for troubled youth. He earned a master's degree in social work at Arizona State University.
"Gabe was unfailingly patient with people. He presided over thousands of constituent cases," Karamargin said. "He was helping World War II vets get medals, people with Medicare benefits, veterans with benefits issues. … He was determined to just do the best he could."
That determination was evident outside work as well.
"We belong to the same gym, and we would do the stair mill together and, you know, when we were done, I had a couple beads of sweat on my brow and Gabe was drenched," Karamargin said. "You could count the number of stories you climbed. I would do 132 in 30 minutes — Gabe was, like, 190. He was running up those steps."
Zimmerman ran marathons and had hiked the Grand Canyon multiple times. In 2012, he planned to marry Katie O'Brien.
U.S. District Judge John M. Roll,
who was killed in the Tucson shooting rampage, appeared to have been an innocent bystander Saturday, but was the target of death threats in 2009 when he emerged as a central figure in Arizona's bitter disputes over illegal immigration.
Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik said Roll, 63, who was a close friend of U.S. Rep.Gabrielle Giffords, had just attended Mass at a nearby church and decided to stop by and say hello. A gunman opened fire, killing six and wounding 12, including Giffords.
"Unfortunately, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time," said Dupnik, who praised Roll as a brilliant jurist and cherished friend.
Roll's death is a rare killing among federal judges, the last occurring more than 21 years ago, said David Sellers, a spokesman for the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts.
Roll became the target of conservative anger two years ago when he ruled that a $32-million civil rights lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants could go to court. The suit was filed against rancher Roger Barnett of Douglas, Ariz., and alleged that he violated the migrants' rights when he detained at gunpoint those who crossed his property and then turned them over to U.S. Border Patrol agents.
The U.S. Marshals Service put Roll and his wife, Maureen, under 24-hour surveillance after talk-radio accounts of the judge's role in the case led to hundreds of anonymous threats. A federal investigation identified four people who had lodged threats, but Roll decided against pressing charges, on the advice of the Marshals Service.
"It was unnerving and invasive" being under armed guard, Roll told the Arizona Republic in a July 2009 interview in which he praised the federal protection force.
Roll was named to the federal judiciary in 1991 by President George H.W. Bush. He had been Arizona's chief federal judge since 2006.
U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. called the killings senseless and said they "inflicted tragic loss on dedicated public servants."
"We in the judiciary have suffered the terrible loss of one of our own. Chief Judge John Roll was a wise jurist who selflessly served Arizona and the nation with great distinction, as attorney and judge, for more than 35 years," Roberts said, calling the judge's death "a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."
U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals Chief Judge Alex Kozinski described Roll in a statement as a "widely respected jurist, a strong and able leader of his court, and a kind, courteous and sincere gentleman. He worked tirelessly to improve the delivery of justice to the people of Arizona."
Kozinski's predecessor as 9th Circuit chief, Judge Mary M. Schroeder of Phoenix, said Roll was "famous for being able to say so many genuinely nice things about people without having to consult notes, for he so genuinely loved people and had such a remarkable mind."
Judge Raner Collins of Tucson is expected to succeed Roll as chief judge for the Arizona district that has 12 active judgeships, three of which are now vacant, the appeals court statement said. Phoenix-based U.S. District Judge Mary H. Murguia was confirmed to a seat on the 9th Circuit last month, and Judge Frank Zapata left for semiretired senior status in August.
President Obama, whose judicial appointments have bogged down in the Senate amid Republican opposition over the last two years, has not yet nominated replacements for Zapata and Murguia, which Kozinski recently said has left the busy Arizona federal court short-handed.
Throughout the 20th century, three federal judges were assassinated. The most recent was in 1989 when Alabama Judge Robert Smith Vance of the U.S. 11th Circuit Court of Appeals was killed by a mail bomb, traced to a man convicted in racially motivated attacks.
In 2005, a man angered by the dismissal of his malpractice case killed the husband and mother of U.S. District Judge Joan Lefkow of Chicago.
Born Feb. 8, 1947, in Pittsburgh, Roll earned his undergraduate and law degrees from the University of Arizona and a doctorate from the University of Virginia School of Law.
Prior to his appointment to the federal bench, he served as a judge of the Pima County Superior Court and on the Arizona Court of Appeals, and had been an assistant U.S. attorney for Arizona.
The judge is survived by his wife, Maureen, three sons and five grandchildren.
It is terrible that that little girls life is bookended by such tragedy.
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