I honestly hope you don't. I am certainly not advocating it. I hope you can see past the frustration of this particular topic and understand that I am very much on your side of the matter. Context is definitely important with these kinds of things, and that is all I hope to convey.
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Im sure the gay as silly is the light-hearted meaning that is used in I Feel Pretty.
The fact is some people don't know better and then some people simply do not care. The people who do not care don't feel any responsibility towards others for what they say and there isn't much you can do about it. It is probably best just to use words as kindly as possible and yes, disregard those who do not feel the need to.
The fact is some people don't know better and then some people simply do not care. The people who do not care don't feel any responsibility towards others for what they say and there isn't much you can do about it. It is probably best just to use words as kindly as possible and yes, disregard those who do not feel the need to.
It is in the same array of words as moronic, silly, and idiotic.
And I think if I were to be sarcastic back it would escalate things in a manner that I don't care to.
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At this point, we're both being pretty pedantic.
Look, hunker down kids, cause this is going to be a long one.
Anyone who reads these boards with any regularity know that I generally try to keep a level head about things. I try my best to be somewhat impartial and consider all sides in an argument. I'm more than willing to consider other people's side of things. There are very few issues where I flip my shit. This happens to be the one that sends me straight over the deep end.
Shego, I'd like to particularly direct this part to you. Remember a few threads back when I made a generic comment about someone's mother being nice and you flipped your shit and went on a rampage about how much you hate her? That's basically what this whole issue does for me.
There is a LOT of personal baggage that is at play here. On a fully intelectual level, I actually do understand all the arguments, and if I take myself outside myself, I can somewhat understand where many are coming from.
But quite frankly, when I hear that phrase, I feel like all the work I've done my entire life of fighting a system that hates me for merely existing is all for nothing. I don't think many of you understand just how widespread homophobia is. Yes, I know that homophobia is pretty much a misnomer as it's come to mean predudice against gay people, rather than fear of gay people (hey, look at that, I understand word evolution). I see the acceptence of the whole "that's so gay" thing as a direct slap in the face for every single stride I've made in my life. It's not even the phrase itself, it's what it represents. Gay people have gained a hell of a lot of face acceptence in the media and such, but really I see under that veneer sometimes because people don't generally realize I'm gay and talk they way they would with other straight guys with no women around.
Is everybody like that? no. But all this happening every day has a cumulative effect to the point where sometimes, I just want to scream.
So, basically, I'm walking around with this big emotional scab that gets picked at almost every day. And the second someone touches it, I react like someone who's been hurt because I AM someone who's been hurt.
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I realize I've been kind of a dick about this, but I still have reasons for being a dick about this.
Look, hunker down kids, cause this is going to be a long one.
Anyone who reads these boards with any regularity know that I generally try to keep a level head about things. I try my best to be somewhat impartial and consider all sides in an argument. I'm more than willing to consider other people's side of things. There are very few issues where I flip my shit. This happens to be the one that sends me straight over the deep end.
Shego, I'd like to particularly direct this part to you. Remember a few threads back when I made a generic comment about someone's mother being nice and you flipped your shit and went on a rampage about how much you hate her? That's basically what this whole issue does for me.
There is a LOT of personal baggage that is at play here. On a fully intelectual level, I actually do understand all the arguments, and if I take myself outside myself, I can somewhat understand where many are coming from.
But quite frankly, when I hear that phrase, I feel like all the work I've done my entire life of fighting a system that hates me for merely existing is all for nothing. I don't think many of you understand just how widespread homophobia is. Yes, I know that homophobia is pretty much a misnomer as it's come to mean predudice against gay people, rather than fear of gay people (hey, look at that, I understand word evolution). I see the acceptence of the whole "that's so gay" thing as a direct slap in the face for every single stride I've made in my life. It's not even the phrase itself, it's what it represents. Gay people have gained a hell of a lot of face acceptence in the media and such, but really I see under that veneer sometimes because people don't generally realize I'm gay and talk they way they would with other straight guys with no women around.
Is everybody like that? no. But all this happening every day has a cumulative effect to the point where sometimes, I just want to scream.
So, basically, I'm walking around with this big emotional scab that gets picked at almost every day. And the second someone touches it, I react like someone who's been hurt because I AM someone who's been hurt.
TLDNR version
I realize I've been kind of a dick about this, but I still have reasons for being a dick about this.
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Some of us do understand how wide spread it is and some of us have been hurt (in some form or another) because of that. I'm pretty sure we all know you take it personally as well. As you expect others to take this into consideration, please consider your reactions to those who don't have any intentions of hurting your feelings.
The etymology of that one is one of the reasons it drives me even more bonkers than the subject at hand. Gay people used to be burned alive, like chord wood. Easy enough etymology.
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Dam(n) dykes, stealin' all the hot girls...
But no, it's possibly a shortened form of morphadike, dialectal garbling of hermaphrodite, or a shortened term for bulldyker* which was used by blacks in the early 1920s meaning "to engage in lesbian activities." Before that, there isn't much mention.
*(in a pejorative manner)
But no, it's possibly a shortened form of morphadike, dialectal garbling of hermaphrodite, or a shortened term for bulldyker* which was used by blacks in the early 1920s meaning "to engage in lesbian activities." Before that, there isn't much mention.
*(in a pejorative manner)
That isn't true though. Burning was never a punishment for gays. It's as much an urban legend as fornication under consent of the king.
Bowielee - 1# You got me on the sociopathy, I realize I don't connect with others on how they see the "emotional world", but at the same time, on a logical stand-point, it makes zero sense why anyone should have any kind of power over you with just the sounds that come out of their mouth. I honestly just always wrote it off as "ignorant childish antics" or "they don't mean the term the way they're using it". To say someone ended their life (as has been happening) because of verbal abuse, it just baffles me. Which we already covered so that was basically just a circular logic conversation I had with myself.
2# If you think I was "flipping my shit" when someone talks about mothers you misunderstood, there's zero anger. I honestly bathe in the pleasure knowing that her physical and mental state has plummeted to the depths of nightmare. Why would knowing someone suffer bring me the least bit of anger?
2# If you think I was "flipping my shit" when someone talks about mothers you misunderstood, there's zero anger. I honestly bathe in the pleasure knowing that her physical and mental state has plummeted to the depths of nightmare. Why would knowing someone suffer bring me the least bit of anger?
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=nice gay person
Your big url there doesn't lead anywhere.
I'm not disagreeing with Bowie about his distaste for the words themselves. That I completely understand. Just on the word's origins.
Ha ha ha, ok, it's funny that the censorship dealie wrecks the urls. Replace nice gay person with the long form version of the unfuck f-word.
Your big url there doesn't lead anywhere.
I'm not disagreeing with Bowie about his distaste for the words themselves. That I completely understand. Just on the word's origins.
Ha ha ha, ok, it's funny that the censorship dealie wrecks the urls. Replace nice gay person with the long form version of the unfuck f-word.
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lol, the filter changed the word in the link URL. I was just posting the entry for it.
Just to be annoying: while I can't determine what the intention of the post oh-so-long-ago was, I find it weird so many people here are saying "teenagers talking like teenagers do", "he may not know it's hurtful", etc. Sure, that can happen. But in my experience, a LOT of what teenage boys say IS meant to harm/hurt. It's probably the easiest way to feel superior to someone - push the other one down. Much easier than trying to actually be a better person. The average HALOtard (see what I did there?) may call his buddies "gay" or " fag" ironically, but he'll use it as an intentional attack in other cases. May not realize how bad it is, but still. The difference between calling the guy with the glasses four-eyes or the boy who's a bit more effeminate "gay" (because actual sexual preference doesn't matter in this context) may not be clear for him, but we should be aware.
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Bubble, I think we can all agree teenagers don't have their heads screwed on right. God forbid, we were all teenagers once...
I am just smh at this thread except for like Bowie and ElJ's posts.
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I know I wasn't trying to justify anything at all. I was merely pointing out that your argument applies to a lot of the words in your list of acceptable synonyms. That in no way means that your argument isn't right and just. Be offended by it. Be rightly offended by it. But also realize that many of the words that you offered as acceptable alternatives have questionable origins as well. I didn't address "gay" at all.
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Again, this is how I would have handled it.
YO, DON'T USE HOMOPHOBIC SLANTS, EVEN IF YOU MEANT IT OR NOT, SOME PEOPLE GET TICKED OFF ABOUT IT.
And then we wouldn't be spinning our wheels in this awful, head-scratching turn in conversation. Again, I thought we all agreed to play a bit more nice, which means not being a dick when someone is obviously upset about something, like the use of hurtful words, whether you are hurt by them or not.
YO, DON'T USE HOMOPHOBIC SLANTS, EVEN IF YOU MEANT IT OR NOT, SOME PEOPLE GET TICKED OFF ABOUT IT.
And then we wouldn't be spinning our wheels in this awful, head-scratching turn in conversation. Again, I thought we all agreed to play a bit more nice, which means not being a dick when someone is obviously upset about something, like the use of hurtful words, whether you are hurt by them or not.
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