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Fuck you, Portal 2. - Now DLC Discussion

#1

Dave

Dave

First, fuck you, Portal 2.

Second, my reasons.

  1. DLC for things that should not be DLC. (Things like headwear, GESTURES!!, etc.)
  2. The whole Potato Sack thing was a huge mindfuck. The game was never coming out early.
  3. I can't afford it.
  4. They released it on a Tuesday. This in itself is not a bad thing, but it's also WoW's maintenance day so while the fucking world is playing Portal 2 I can't be mining nodes in Uldum all alone.
Fuck Portal 2.


#2

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet



#3

Dave

Dave

Damn right.


#4



Jiarn

I'm 100% with you on 3:


#5

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Don't games always release on a Tuesday? I'm pretty sure they always release on a Tuesday. Or at least almost always.


#6

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Almost primarily Tuesdays, yeah, along with movies.
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Also, I hate Portal 2 because:

1) My laptop can't run it.
2) I'd get it on PS3 but I just can't get comfortable playing FPS games without a keyboard and mouse.


#7

figmentPez

figmentPez

Dave said:
DLC for things that should not be DLC. (Things like headwear, GESTURES!!, etc.)
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I haven't heard much about this yet. Is it the TF2 model of things? The game told me last night that I'd found one of my hats from TF2, but I could never find it to equip. I figured the servers were totally overloaded and I'd figure it all out later.

Personally I'd much prefer having these cosmetic items as DLC than having overpriced map-packs.


#8

Dave

Dave



#9

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Ugh. It's the fucking TF2 hats shit all over again.


#10

figmentPez

figmentPez

$2 to be able to shrug? and it won't even be viewable to PS3 players? Yeah, I'm going to laugh while not paying for that. I wonder if stuff like that will drop randomly like it does in TF2.
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ThatNickGuy said:
Ugh. It's the fucking TF2 hats shit all over again.
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Valve is going to be rolling in dough over this. It astounds me how much money people are willing to throw at them for this stuff.


#11

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

That's the saddest part: people WILL buy it. Just look at the people that waste money on Playstation Home. I've gone in there once or twice and the sheer number of people wearing costumes that were $10 or more is ridiculous.


#12

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

Can't argue with what works.


#13

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Well, to be fair, the only people still using Home are the people that do buy shit like that. I'm happy knowing I never will.

I feel burned every time I play Bioware's DLC, and those are what 5 bucks? I'm not touching 2 dollar gestures with a 1200 foot pole.


#14

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Not even if the 1200 foot pole e-mote was available for $2?


#15

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Dave said:
...I can't afford it...

Fuck Portal 2.
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Just pirate it now and pay for it when the price point drops. Totally moral.


#16

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy



#17

Espy

Espy

What... what do those gestures do? Something... helpful? Or just... gesture?


#18

Piotyr

Piotyr

Espy said:
What... what do those gestures do? Something... helpful? Or just... gesture?
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Cosmetics.

They tell other players that you went the extra dollar.


#19

Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

This is beyond stupid shit... do people actually buy this crap?

I mean, for Mass Effect 2 at least my 5 dollars got me some new storyline and a few hours of actual gameplay.

$2 to shrug? Thumbs up? Facepalm? That right there is stuff that should be in the game as default content.


#20

MindDetective

MindDetective

At least sell them at a decent price as a pack.


#21

Frank

Frankie Williamson

MindDetective said:
At least sell them at a decent price as a pack.
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Man, there is no such thing as a decent price when you're buying gestures for a video game character in a 10 hour game.


#22

MindDetective

MindDetective

It certainly seem like a tough sell to any sane person. I don't think they are owed to the players in any way. It is extra content, which is fine. The price point is simply outrageous.


#23

Piotyr

Piotyr

I don't really have a problem with it, since it's as far from being necessary or even helpful to complete the game as possible... :shrug:

...oh snap, didn't buy the emoticon!


#24

Espy

Espy

MindDetective said:
It certainly seem like a tough sell to any sane person. I don't think they are owed to the players in any way. It is extra content, which is fine. The price point is simply outrageous.
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This guy is saying a thing I agree with here.


#25

MindDetective

MindDetective

I guess their thinking is, if they can get 2000 people to pay up, then they've probably more than made their money back in the labor involved to make the content. They certainly will get ridiculed for it, but probably not enough that they care all that much.


#26

figmentPez

figmentPez

MindDetective said:
It certainly seem like a tough sell to any sane person. I don't think they are owed to the players in any way. It is extra content, which is fine. The price point is simply outrageous.
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Have you seen the price point for hats in the TF2 store? $17.49 for a Christmas Tree hat (that currently has bugged animation so it doesn't even look right). Lots of hats are over $15. I could get a real hat for that much, I'm certainly not going to pay that much for a virtual hat.

It's possible that if they made them cheap they'd make even more money, but then the hats wouldn't be as special, and I get the impression that's what they're going for.


#27

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

I don't see anything wrong with it. You don't need it to beat the game, after all.

It's just another customization option. Not a particularly interesting one, but w/e. If you consider it worth it, buy it, otherwise don't and be solvent for it.


#28

MindDetective

MindDetective

True. They may want there to be a status symbol culture or something.


#29



Joe Johnson

Seems like the shrugs would maybe be useful if you didn't have a headset.
Anywho, I just bought mine for the 360, we'll see how it goes. I don't really care if they're selling extras that don't affect gameplay - I won't be bothering with them.


#30

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

I'm sure Valve is too busy counting money off hat and gesture sales to care what people think about it.


#31

MindDetective

MindDetective

Sure, but could they be counting even more money if they priced things differently?


#32

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

Yeah, if they raised the price, they could definitely be counting more money.


#33

MindDetective

MindDetective

If they raised it to a million dollars, I bet they'd be counting no money.


#34

Frank

Frankie Williamson

MindDetective said:
True. They may want there to be a status symbol culture or something.
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Is that like the spectral horse or whatever it's called in WoW that costs 25 dollars. I know the only status that garnered, from everyone I played with, was derisive.


#35

Piotyr

Piotyr

MindDetective said:
Sure, but could they be counting even more money if they priced things differently?
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Sadly, I imagine there is at least one person, if not an entire department of people, whose sole job is to determine the market value of such things as to maximize revenue based on a pricing/demand chart.


#36

MindDetective

MindDetective

I think a status symbol culture is naturally going to generate envy and thus hostility. It doesn't seem like it would be beneficial but maybe it makes for a dynamic community, which makes for dynamic sales.


#37

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

True, but if they kept it to the 2-5 range, I'm sure the same people would be buying. The goal of most pay for content is to have 1/100 people buy something. Most of these people will spend enough that it really doesn't matter if the other 99 people think it's stupid and a waste of money.

If 1,000,000 people bought the game, and 10,000 people buy one gesture, that's still $20,o00. However, these hypothetical 10,000 people are probably going to be buying more than one gesture, so the whole DLC provides a lot of monetary returns for very little work on Valve's part.


#38

Piotyr

Piotyr

Frankie Williamson said:
Is that like the spectral horse or whatever it's called in WoW that costs 25 dollars. I know the only status that garnered, from everyone I played with, was derisive.
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That's actually the type of thing that made an actual gameplay difference, though, since none of a player's characters would ever have to learn riding again after purchasing it.


#39

MindDetective

MindDetective

Yup. It is a niche market approach that can tap into a broad market infrastructure.


#40

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

Operates under the idea that a small slice of a big pie is still profit.


#41



Chibibar

Frankie Williamson said:
Is that like the spectral horse or whatever it's called in WoW that costs 25 dollars. I know the only status that garnered, from everyone I played with, was derisive.
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Well that is a bit different IMO. I bought one because that way I save many gold on my alts to actually GET a mount (you still have to pay for the skill) but I don't have to buy another mount! WOO!


#42

Jay

Jay

Goddamn, this is pretty gay. DLC content for gestures? Comon


/starts to torrent


#43

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

That'll show 'em.


#44

Espy

Espy

Allen who is Quiet said:
That'll show 'em.
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Stickin' it to tha man! How delightful!


#45

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Espy said:
Stickin' it to tha man! How delightful!
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Sounds like Nick's Prom Night.


#46



Jiarn

figmentPez said:
Have you seen the price point for hats in the TF2 store? $17.49 for a Christmas Tree hat (that currently has bugged animation so it doesn't even look right). Lots of hats are over $15. I could get a real hat for that much, I'm certainly not going to pay that much for a virtual hat.

It's possible that if they made them cheap they'd make even more money, but then the hats wouldn't be as special, and I get the impression that's what they're going for.
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Wonder what people would pay for my TF2 halo....


#47

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

Probably any hat you want, plus a few crates for good measure.


#48



Jiarn

Don't care much for in-game items as I haven't played the thing for almost a year.


#49

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

sixpackshaker said:
Sounds like Nick's Prom Night.
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I...now, wait just a damn minute!

Yeah, that's true.


#50

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

Jiarn said:
Don't care much for in-game items as I haven't played the thing for almost a year.
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You can't trade items you own for money. Money only goes towards people who submitted items or maps that Valve made official. For everybody else, it's items for items.


#51

Tress

Tress

Jay said:
Goddamn, this is pretty gay. DLC content for gestures? Comon


/starts to torrent
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Off topic:

Stop using "gay" as a term for "bad" Jay. Seriously.


#52

Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

Does the fact that companies have DLC ready for launch day annoy other people or is it just me?

Maybe that time would be better spent polishing up the game instead of creating microtransaction content?


#53

figmentPez

figmentPez

Azurephoenix said:
Does the fact that companies have DLC ready for launch day annoy other people or is it just me?

Maybe that time would be better spent polishing up the game instead of creating microtransaction content?
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In some cases, I think that's true. However, I'm not sure that's the case for Portal 2, or Valve in general. I think hats and gestures are a result of the makers having fun with their own product. The time spent "working" on this goofy stuff isn't the same as the work done bug/play-testing.


#54

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Azurephoenix said:
Does the fact that companies have DLC ready for launch day annoy other people or is it just me?

Maybe that time would be better spent polishing up the game instead of creating microtransaction content?
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It doesn't annoy me inherently, as long as the game is clearly finished and relatively bug free. I'll even make allowances for re-skins/models, seeing as how artists finish most of their side of the work a while before the street date.

But if the game is buggy or has bad, phoned-in art, there's no darn excuse.


#55

Jay

Jay

I generally don't mind freebies that I can have the option of downloading. I do however don't like the concept that was heavily used in say Dragon Age where an ENTIRE character was twice not made available in the standard edition of the game and you had to pay X amount of dollars to unlock that feature, on the first day of the game.

I do find the option of downloading small insignificant things like hat or gestures that could have been put into the game rather ga lame but doesn't really affect me as much as real DLC would have.

Sebastien? The Golem?


#56

Dave

Dave

Azurephoenix said:
Does the fact that companies have DLC ready for launch day annoy other people or is it just me?
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I think that this is what does it for me. I mean, I can see DLC as addons after the game has launched but they obviously programmed this stuff and had to test it with and without each piece of content to determine stability and then tries to get this out to us for additional $$ above and beyond the base price that they are selling for. To me this is just wrong.

Some have used the auto industry as a parallel. A car can have cosmetic differences for an additional price but I disagree with this analogy. In this case it would mean that every car came out as unpainted and colorless. The additional money would add no functionality other than painting, interior color, mudflaps, etc.

It would be like WoW charging extra for the emotes, the individual dances, etc. It makes the game more fun to have them in and to give a higher level of immersion. To charge for that is just a slap in the face to those like me who can't afford the base game, let alone the full effect of what it could be.


#57

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Jay said:
I generally don't mind freebies that I can have the option of downloading. I do however don't like the concept that was heavily used in say Dragon Age where an ENTIRE character was twice not made available in the standard edition of the game and you had to pay X amount of dollars to unlock that feature, on the first day of the game.

I do find the option of downloading small insignificant things like hat or gestures that could have been put into the game rather ga lame but doesn't really affect me as much as real DLC would have.

Sebastien? The Golem?
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Golem didn't cost anything as long as you bought the game new.


#58

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Frankie Williamson said:
Golem didn't cost anything as long as you bought the game new.
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I am totally cool with launch-day/pre-purchase bonuses that cost everyone else a reasonable amount later if they want them.


#59

Jay

Jay

Still to many ifs, it's available Day 1 with its own huge quest line, should be in the standard game.


#60

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Just wait for GOTY editions like I do.


#61

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

There's a date well before launch that they have to submit a final product. Dlc they can continue to work on. Personally, I think launch day dlc is fine, but I prefer that it be available for free in some way, like bioware does.

Besides, we have to have some way for Jay to validate his piracy.


#62

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

DLC, like others have said, should be added content. Like maps and monsters, or whatever it is you do in Portal.

WoW does DLC pretty will when you look at vanity pets and mounts. But $2 for Atlas Shrug(ged) while a good joke is not really game content.


#63

Mathias

Mathias

ThatNickGuy said:
That's the saddest part: people WILL buy it. Just look at the people that waste money on Playstation Home. I've gone in there once or twice and the sheer number of people wearing costumes that were $10 or more is ridiculous.
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It's fucking genius. I love it. "A fool and his money are soon parted..."


#64

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

DLC in a nutshell:



#65

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

You guys know that some of these things are unlockables in the 360 version, right? I think it was like 8 of them.


#66

Jay

Jay

Ravenpoe said:
Besides, we have to have some way for Jay to validate his piracy.
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ROFL

3 pouces


#67

Dave

Dave

Let's take a look back, shall we? Back to the good old days....2007.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/g...p/Valve_won_t_charge_for_downloadable_content


#68

Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

Dave, you're completely right. Gaming as we know it is ruined forever.


#69

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Dave said:
Let's take a look back, shall we? Back to the good old days....2007.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/g...p/Valve_won_t_charge_for_downloadable_content
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Meh, they changed their minds about their model as the market changes. No one (that I know of) ever accused Gabe Newell of not knowing a good opportunity when he saw it.


#70

Far

Far

I dunno if it's true of all of the things but I found a beanie and a flag during the course of my first play through.

I don't see how charging for these items diminishes the quality of the game at all. If they were things that confured an in-game benefit or alternate levels, then I could see being choked about it but as these are little more than simple cosmetic changes I really don't see this as being a valid critisim of the game. There not being any advanced chambers, the length, those I can see people being upset about. Having hats and skins that no one is forcing you to buy nor there not being any disadvantage for not having? Seems like bitching to bitch.

I also don't see this as valve changing thier stance on DLC either. As far as I'm aware they still give away all of the playable or level dlc that they have made like the new campaigns for lfd. If they want to charge people for hats and shit to cover the cost of that, and if peple are willing to buy these things, which they obviously are, then I say let them.


#71

Tress

Tress

Dave said:
Let's take a look back, shall we? Back to the good old days....2007.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/g...p/Valve_won_t_charge_for_downloadable_content
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They're not charging for DLC. They are just charging for optional additions to gameplay provided over an internet connection. Big difference.


#72

@Li3n

@Li3n

Well selling this sort of pointless stuff for way too much money is annoying as hell (and is getting more ridiculous, i mean emotes, wtf), but at least they're not selling gameplay, especially one that could and should have been there already.

But the people i really have a problem is the ones that are buying this stuff... of course the worst are the guys that give 15$ for 3 new maps and 2 remakes that a modder could have made in a weekend...
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SpecialKO said:
I am totally cool with launch-day/pre-purchase bonuses that cost everyone else a reasonable amount later if they want them.
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The problem with that is that if their servers get an error bad things can happen to your game, like all of a sudden finding yourself weaponless in the middle of a fight... man that was annoying. (although that's more about the need to be logged in to use the DLC, and EA not caring much for games that already have a sequel, that and it happening on a friday... and now i have Soldier's Peak both as a done quest and as a new one that i can't start because the map itself is done).


#73

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Tress said:
They're not charging for DLC. They are just charging for optional additions to gameplay provided over an internet connection. Big difference.
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Downloadable Content is exactly what those gestures are.


#74

@Li3n

@Li3n

Frankie Williamson said:
Downloadable Content is exactly what those gestures are.
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C'mon, no way that wasn't firmly tongue in cheek... i mean Tress never seemed brain damaged to me.


#75

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Yeah, I gather that now. It was too early for me to be posting.


#76

Espy

Espy

Ravenpoe said:
Besides, we have to have some way for Jay to validate his piracy.
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They eyepatch isn't enough validation?


#77

Tress

Tress

Regarding Gabe Newell's comments about not charing for DLC back in 2007, I will add one small defense: For whatever reason, he seems to draw a line between in-game items and maps/gameplay modes/drastic changes to TF2. So in his mind he probably hasn't deviated from what he said. He would also probably argue that (almost) all items in TF2 are free if you wait for them to randomly drop or craft them, and therefore Valve isn't necessarily charging for them. I think all those arguments would be bullshit, but I'm pretty sure that's what Valve would argue.


#78



Chibibar

Far said:
I dunno if it's true of all of the things but I found a beanie and a flag during the course of my first play through.

I don't see how charging for these items diminishes the quality of the game at all. If they were things that confured an in-game benefit or alternate levels, then I could see being choked about it but as these are little more than simple cosmetic changes I really don't see this as being a valid critisim of the game. There not being any advanced chambers, the length, those I can see people being upset about. Having hats and skins that no one is forcing you to buy nor there not being any disadvantage for not having? Seems like bitching to bitch.

I also don't see this as valve changing thier stance on DLC either. As far as I'm aware they still give away all of the playable or level dlc that they have made like the new campaigns for lfd. If they want to charge people for hats and shit to cover the cost of that, and if peple are willing to buy these things, which they obviously are, then I say let them.
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I agree. It is all cosmetic changes so those are optional. Once they start charging for content like new maps, new skills, new weapons, and new characters then we can have something to bitch about.


#79

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

You CAN get just about anything that isn't an event only item via trading or drops. You just need to be patient.


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