Full hard brexit. But at least its red white and blue.

@Li3n

@Li3n

Eriol said:
Hey look, collections of MORE THAN ONE PERSON (on average) have more money than just ONE PERSON!

Who knew?
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Yeah, i'm sure that if you take a bunch of random people and add their (on average) money together they'll come close to having as much as a corporation (on average).



Eriol said:
A factory owner pays her workers $150 per coat they produce. She then collects and sells those coats at $200 each to a distributor. .
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Congrats, you're a communist now... paying the worker the bulk of the profit the factory produces... that's redder then the USSR flag.

The only thing that's missing is the worker also owning the factory, along with the manager, and everyone else.

And since a factory actually needs management, it's not really a perfect example of what Marx was complaining about. It was more about the thing that was more common at the time, like people working a field they don't own, and the majority of the profits going to someone who only contributed owning the land.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Brexiteers still live in a fantasy world. The EU had made it very, very clear that the UK will never get freedom of goods without freedom of people. In other words - either you're in a customs union with us, and both goods and people can easily travel, or you're not, and neither can. Of course there are options - Norway and Switzerland both have special status - but those never allow you more power for less than being a member. If you don't want borders in northern Ireland and Gibraltar, you'll have to accept European people too - including Polish and Bulgarian laborers.
May's move towards a softer Brexit is because of this, and any brexiteer who thinks the UK will be better off without is either foolish, lying, or obtuse. Northern Ireland and Scotland have made it very clear they want to keep trading freely with Europe. This move might result in the breaking up of the UK rather than the EU.
 
strawman

strawman

DarkAudit said:
Human rights as a negative. What in the hell is wrong with you, man?
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I’m sorry you don’t remember.

The UK was practically a mad max wasteland before the EU stepped in with their human rights and converted them to a proper first world country.

I too will be sad to see it return to the wastes after brexit.

Alternately you don’t have to be so intentionally obtuse. We could have great discussions and debates, you and I, if you set down the pitchfork and torch for a bit.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

stienman said:
I’m sorry you don’t remember.

The UK was practically a mad max wasteland before the EU stepped in with their human rights and converted them to a proper first world country.

I too will be sad to see it return to the wastes after brexit.
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It's funny, because back then people trusted the UK to adopt human rights more then they do now when it comes to keeping them.

But you're right, the UK would have likely adopted the same laws anyway... their politicians just loved blaming the EU for them to try and make the people think it's not their fault if they didn't like some of the effects. Which is why everyone and their grandmother thinks the Brits would regress without the EU keeping them in check.

Then again, they did try to ban porn, and there's CCTV everywhere...
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Bubble181 said:
Brexiteers still live in a fantasy world.
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I still remember when Farange went to Brussels after and basically demanded they get to keep all the advantages of being in the EU, but not pay into it at all...
 
mikerc

mikerc

First the ECJ has ruled that the UK can withdraw from their decision to withdraw from the EU staying in as if they'd never invoked Article 50. Now the Commons vote on the deal Theresa May negotiated that was definitely absolutely no-question going to happen tomorrow has been cancelled.

Second referendum on Brexit incoming?
 
mikerc

mikerc

blotsfan said:
I'm not saying Brexit isn't stupid but what is stopping them from doing another vote again after that?
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As far as I know? Nothing. Although 2 things are worth noting.

1) This opportunity to change our minds only applies as long as Brexit is ongoing. As soon as the leave date hits (currently 29 March 2019 23:00 GMT or 30 March 00:00 CET) the UK is out & would then have to re-apply to join the EU if we change our minds.

2) A lot of EU politicians were concerned that this could lead to various members invoking Article 50, getting a better deal to stay, and then revoking it. I wouldn't be surprised to see them change the law so that you can't change your minds after announcing your intent to leave. At that point any hypothetical Brexit Referendum 3 would be the last one.
 
blotsfan

blotsfan

It's interesting how when you're a small player but in a larger union, you can get the benefits of strength in numbers that you couldn't on your own. Can't see how that'd be relevant here though.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Brexit vote in the HOuse of Commons was, as expected, a defeat for May. Still, expectation management said anything under 60 votes difference would be a win, more than 200 was unlikely. She lost 432 to 202, so a 230 vote difference. Yowtch. No Deal (or No Brexit) seems all the more likely.
 
Gruebeard

Gruebeard

So, is the EU gonna give 'em another chance to negotiate a deal? I heard talk they would consider extending the exit date.
 
blotsfan

blotsfan

Bubble181 said:
No Deal (or No Brexit) seems all the more likely.
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I know May has said she'd do the latter before the former, though that might have been posturing to get the proposed deal through. If I'm understanding it correctly, there's still 0 idea of how to do a Brexit that doesn't involve closing the Irish Border, which would be a massive problem.
 
mikerc

mikerc

Rumours says that the UK government is planning on introducing martial law after a no deal brexit. The BBC asks a government minister if there's any truth to that. His answer? "It remains on the statute books..." :aaah::censored:

 
Siska

Siska

blotsfan said:
I know May has said she'd do the latter before the former, though that might have been posturing to get the proposed deal through. If I'm understanding it correctly, there's still 0 idea of how to do a Brexit that doesn't involve closing the Irish Border, which would be a massive problem.
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And Ireland in particular is unlikely to agree to any deal that doesn't keep that border open.
 
mikerc

mikerc

8 Labour & 3 Conservative MP's have quit their parties & come together to form a new Independent Group over the way their parties have treated Brexit, well that & the increasingly blatant anti-semitism in their party in the case of the Labour MP's. While this isn't officially a new Political Party yet that's probably only a matter of time & they're already tied with the Lib Dems for fourth largest party in Westminster.
 
TommiR

TommiR

evilmike said:
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Hmm? Did somebody steal my avatar?

They're thieves! They're thieves! They're filthy little thieves! Where is it? Where is it? They stole it from us, our precious. Curse them! WE hates them! it's ours it is, and we wants it! We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false!
 
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