Gas Bandit's Political Thread IV

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Oh hush. I was in junior high and high school during the Reagan years. Every few weeks there was one bit of propaganda or another coming down the pipe. Especially in the summer of '84.

Come on, You're supposed to know this shit. Or are you losing your touch? :Leyla:
 

GasBandit

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DarkAudit said:
Oh hush. I was in junior high and high school during the Reagan years. Every few weeks there was one bit of propaganda or another coming down the pipe. Especially in the summer of '84.

Come on, You're supposed to know this shit. Or are you losing your touch? :Leyla:
And you're saying most people were in high school in the summer of 84?

Most people couldn't find moscow on a MAP.
 
GasBandit said:
DarkAudit said:
Oh hush. I was in junior high and high school during the Reagan years. Every few weeks there was one bit of propaganda or another coming down the pipe. Especially in the summer of '84.

Come on, You're supposed to know this poop. Or are you losing your touch? :Leyla:
And you're saying most people were in high school in the summer of 84?

Most people couldn't find moscow on a MAP.
I wasn't talking about most people. I was talking about YOU. WTF does subjectivity have to do with knowing who was who?
 
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GasBandit makes an unfounded assertion and then harps on someone else for countering with personal anecdotes. Old times. Old times.
 
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Armadillo

Hmmm...

“I think that freedom means freedom for everyone,” Cheney said, The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein reports. “As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish.”
Hey, when you're right, you're right.

It's fun to watch the lefties twist themselves into knots trying to attack Cheney for being on their side for once, and it's also funny to watch the righties do the same trying to defend his stance on an issue they're deeply opposed to.
 
Armadillo said:
Hmmm...

“I think that freedom means freedom for everyone,” Cheney said, The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein reports. “As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish.”
Hey, when you're right, you're right.

It's fun to watch the lefties twist themselves into knots trying to attack Cheney for being on their side for once, and it's also funny to watch the righties do the same trying to defend his stance on an issue they're deeply opposed to.
Ah hahahahahahaha.

Hey, when you're right, you're right.
This. I disagree with Cheney on almost every issue. But, if he says something I agree with, I have to admit it. To do so otherwise would be wrong.
 

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Gruebeard said:
GasBandit makes an unfounded assertion and then harps on someone else for countering with personal anecdotes. Old times. Old times.
If you think it is unfounded, you haven't spoken to enough people here.
 
A PR hack on retainer issuing a "what Mr. Cheney *meant* to say..." statement in 3... 2... 1...

And in reply to GB's ninja, you still haven't answered why the hell knowing who the players were in the Cold War PR battle warranted a personal attack on me.
 
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GasBandit said:
If you think it is unfounded, you haven't spoken to enough people here.
You've asked a random sample of a thousand people to list Russian news sources, then?
 
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Armadillo

DarkAudit said:
A PR hack on retainer issuing a "what Mr. Cheney *meant* to say..." statement in 3... 2... 1...
Surely you'll give Cheney credit for THIS stance, right? Like I said earlier: when you're right, you're right.
 
If he stands by it? Sure. I'm just so used to folks on *both* sides of the aisle giving voice to their true thoughts on a given issue, then immediately having to furiously backtrack in order to sooth their base. Michael Steele and the GQ interview is a good example.
 
Gruebeard said:
Armadillo said:
^This is the major beef with Sotomayor . . . that she seems to think her racial and gender status somehow makes her special/better.
Hasn't this already been refuted earlier in the thread?
Yes, it has. Notice they don't even try to refute any of my points about WHY it's wrong...they just state it as fact. Way to argue, guys.

Oh, and what the hell are you (Armadillo and Futureking) talking about, saying "people think blacks are bad at taking tests"? No one has said that. It's not part of the Ricci case. Why are you bringing it up?

And as for how many of her decisions that went to the supreme court were overturned, the figure is 60% according to newsweek. Yes, that's only 1.3% of her total decisions but it's not the cut and dry ones that get to the supreme court, now is it? As she's being put in the supreme court, it's worth looking at how many of her decisions that were brought before the court were upheld, and the answer is apparently two of five.
True, 60% of her cases that have reached the Supreme Court have been overturned. However, 75% of all appeals court decisions that are considered by the Supreme Court are overturned. Simply put, the SC only takes up cases that it's pretty damn likely to overturn. 3/5 doesn't sound good, but it's actually better than most. Of course, it's a tiny sample size - only 5 out of over 150 cases she's ruled on. Quite frankly, she seems to have extremely similar views to the liberal Justices - even this Ricci case is likely to have at least four votes for upholding her decision.

Armadillo said:
Hmmm...

“I think that freedom means freedom for everyone,” Cheney said, The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein reports. “As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish.”
Hey, when you're right, you're right.

It's fun to watch the lefties twist themselves into knots trying to attack Cheney for being on their side for once, and it's also funny to watch the righties do the same trying to defend his stance on an issue they're deeply opposed to.
...what? I disagree with Dick Cheney on any number of issues. As I've stated many times in the past, he's a war criminal. Nonetheless, I agree with him on this issue. Good for him. It's not exactly hard to say that. In fact, the only liberals I've read that have commented on this quote were praising him for it. Care to provide any actual examples of "lefties twist(ing) temeselves into knots trying to attack Cheney"? Or for that matter, the righties trying to defend him on his stance, haven't read any of those either.
 
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Dieb said:
Armadillo said:
Hmmm...

“I think that freedom means freedom for everyone,” Cheney said, The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein reports. “As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish.”
Hey, when you're right, you're right.

It's fun to watch the lefties twist themselves into knots trying to attack Cheney for being on their side for once, and it's also funny to watch the righties do the same trying to defend his stance on an issue they're deeply opposed to.
...what? I disagree with * Cheney on any number of issues. As I've stated many times in the past, he's a war criminal. Nonetheless, I agree with him on this issue. Good for him. It's not exactly hard to say that. In fact, the only liberals I've read that have commented on this quote were praising him for it. Care to provide any actual examples of "lefties twist(ing) temeselves into knots trying to attack Cheney"? Or for that matter, the righties trying to defend him on his stance, haven't read any of those either.
Read the comments on that story I linked. "If his daughter wasn't gay, the jerk wouldn't be for gay marriage," "What an opportunist," and so on. I realize that these are just a couple of individual people, but they're attacking Cheney in a story where he comes out in favor of something they presumably agree with. Therefore, they are hypocrites and stupid as hell. If you're pro-gay marriage (as I am), and one of the chief Republicans of the last decade comes out in favor of gay marriage, wouldn't you say something like, "See, you Republican fools? Even DICK CHENEY is in favor of this!"

You're consistent, so obviously you're not the kind of person I'm referring to here.
 
Armadillo said:
Read the comments on that story I linked. "If his daughter wasn't gay, the jerk wouldn't be for gay marriage," "What an opportunist," and so on. I realize that these are just a couple of individual people, but they're attacking Cheney in a story where he comes out in favor of something they presumably agree with. Therefore, they are hypocrites and stupid as *. If you're pro-gay marriage (as I am), and one of the chief Republicans of the last decade comes out in favor of gay marriage, wouldn't you say something like, "See, you Republican fools? Even * CHENEY is in favor of this!"

You're consistent, so obviously you're not the kind of person I'm referring to here.
You're bringing up anonymous postings on a big website? Come on, 90% of the people who post on websites like ABC are trolls. I agree that anyone who actually said things like those comments are idiots and hypocrits, but there's a reason I never site comments from, say, Redstate. Or Daily Kos for that matter. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. And quite frankly, major media site commenters are way worse even than those from those two sites.
 
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Awesome. There's this darling barn owl I've had my little kitty eyes on for some time now. *purrrrr*
 
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We'll meet up in Vegas.

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Dibs on being the man in the relationship on the wedding night!
 
Armadillo said:
Hmmm...

“I think that freedom means freedom for everyone,” Cheney said, The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein reports. “As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish.”
Hey, when you're right, you're right.

It's fun to watch the lefties twist themselves into knots trying to attack Cheney for being on their side for once, and it's also funny to watch the righties do the same trying to defend his stance on an issue they're deeply opposed to.
This is indeed fascinating. Although the cynic in me can't help but believe that the only time a conservative of the Cheney style ever comes down on the left, it's because the issue affects him personally.
 

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They don't want to film the bioshock movie on US soil for tax reasons, so it's on hold.

Japan's gaming companies have gotten together and decided to self-police and eschew rape games so the government won't have to step in.

General Motors and Citigroup have been kicked out of the Dow Jones Industrial average. Aw man... Citi is my bank.. I think I need to make some calls.

Why are conservatives so mean?

The President of the World Bank says that stimulus plans (like Barack Obama's) are nothing but an economic 'sugar high' and will not ultimately curb unemployment.

When it comes to the media's infatuation with Barack Obama, the press has become Obama's silent ally and seems in a state of denial.

Bob Woodward wants to write a book about Barack Obama ... and the White House is apparently pretty nervous about the idea.

The Minnesota Supreme Court is finally hearing arguments on whether problems with absentee ballots justify reversing a lower-court ruling that declared Al Franken the winner in the Senate race.

Timothy Geithner tells an audience in China that its dollar assets are safe ... and they laugh at him.

The economy performed better than expected in the first quarter, and no it was not thanks to those government stimulus checks.

Rep. Charlie Rangel of New York gets the boneheaded politician comment of the day.
 
GasBandit said:
They don't want to film the bioshock movie on US soil for tax reasons, so it's on hold.
That's actually pretty damn funny and somewhat ironic at the same time.

Why are Conservatives so Mean?
Ok, that made sense right up until the point they compared Obama to fucking Xerxes from 300 and called them both arrogant Metrosexuals tyrants. :eyeroll: That's when it went from thoughtful perspective on the current state of democracy to punditry.
 

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DarkAudit said:
AshburnerX said:
GasBandit said:
They don't want to film the bioshock movie on US soil for tax reasons, so it's on hold.
That's actually pretty damn funny and somewhat ironic at the same time.
And doesn't explain why one damn bit.
Certain overseas locations, like the ones specified in the article, will grant tax exemptions for movies to be filmed in their backyards. This might be part of why "Rumble in the Bronx" was filmed in Vancouver.
 
GasBandit said:
DarkAudit said:
AshburnerX said:
GasBandit said:
They don't want to film the bioshock movie on US soil for tax reasons, so it's on hold.
That's actually pretty damn funny and somewhat ironic at the same time.
And doesn't explain why one damn bit.
Certain overseas locations, like the ones specified in the article, will grant tax exemptions for movies to be filmed in their backyards. This might be part of why "Rumble in the Bronx" was filmed in Vancouver.
You LIKE the idea of special tax exemptions for big business? Ok, you didn't actually say you liked it; nonetheless, there's a difference between "lower taxes for everyone" and "lower taxes for special people", and this would seem to be firmly in the latter.

Of course, the article doens't mention taxes at all. It simply says costs are lower overseas than in Hollywood itself; taxes are a part of this, but a lot of other costs are much cheaper outside of Hollywood (crew wages, sound stage rentals, it goes on and on).

General Motors and Citigroup have been kicked out of the Dow Jones Industrial average. Aw man... Citi is my bank.. I think I need to make some calls
This shouldn't affect you at all if Citi is your bank. If it ever goes under (unlikely at this point) you'll get your money back from the FDIC. The Dow is just an index; a compilation of important stocks. It has prestige, sure, but it doesn't affect the bank in any way, shape, or form

Bob Woodward wants to write a book about Barack Obama ... and the White House is apparently pretty nervous about the idea.
Hardly surprising. The man wrote, what, four books about Bush?

The economy performed better than expected in the first quarter, and no it was not thanks to those government stimulus checks.
The economy is better than expected (although it still shrank in the first quarter) because consumer spending is up. Why is consumer spending up? One of the reasons I, amoung others, argued for the stimulus is because it would increase optomism about the economy, which would increase consumer spending. Could it be that the pro-stimulus side was right? True, maybe this upswing in consumer spending is just a coincidence. But it's hardly evidence AGAINST the stimulus.

Rep. Charlie Rangel of New York gets the boneheaded politician comment of the day.
I actually don't think it was too boneheaded. He joked that President Obama should “make certain he doesn’t run around in East Harlem unidentified", referencing the recent shooting of a black police officer by a white police officer. Ok, he shouldn't have brought the President into this, as he admitted.. But the article suggests that "Mayor Bloomberg and others were furious that Rangel suggested race was an issue in the shooting". Oh come on. After all the history in New York with police shootings, including police-on-police, you'd have to be an idiot to NOT think race was an issue here.
 
AshburnerX said:
Why are Conservatives so Mean?
Ok, that made sense right up until the point they compared Obama to fucking Xerxes from 300 and called them both arrogant Metrosexuals tyrants. :eyeroll: That's when it went from thoughtful perspective on the current state of democracy to punditry.
You're being much kinder than I would be. I just wanted to ask "What's your excuse for talking to me like I'm a child, asshole?"

And that ominous pad that starts buzzing in the background about a minute in is not even subtle propaganda technique. Jesus.

Are you linking to this so we can all laugh at it together again, GB? Or is it a riff on conservatives like Colbert or something, and I just didn't get the joke?
 

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Dieb said:
You LIKE the idea of special tax exemptions for big business? Ok, you didn't actually say you liked it; nonetheless, there's a difference between "lower taxes for everyone" and "lower taxes for special people", and this would seem to be firmly in the latter.
I meant it only as an illustration of the effects of tax policy upon the production of items we enjoy and the employment of americans. If we don't cut the tax breaks, other nations will, and thus the production will go overseas or perhaps not happen at all. Kotaku seems to have taken a big dump so I can't get in to pull a quote at the moment.

General Motors and Citigroup have been kicked out of the Dow Jones Industrial average. Aw man... Citi is my bank.. I think I need to make some calls
This shouldn't affect you at all if Citi is your bank. If it ever goes under (unlikely at this point) you'll get your money back from the FDIC. The Dow is just an index; a compilation of important stocks. It has prestige, sure, but it doesn't affect the bank in any way, shape, or form. [/quote]It's not a cause, it's an indicator. And it's a lot easier to be nonchalant about citi when one doesn't have their savings in them.

[quote:2wnpdn13]Bob Woodward wants to write a book about Barack Obama ... and the White House is apparently pretty nervous about the idea.
Hardly surprising. The man wrote, what, four books about Bush?[/quote:2wnpdn13]Plus there was that whole watergate thing.

[quote:2wnpdn13]The economy performed better than expected in the first quarter, and no it was not thanks to those government stimulus checks.
The economy is better than expected (although it still shrank in the first quarter) because consumer spending is up. Why is consumer spending up? One of the reasons I, amoung others, argued for the stimulus is because it would increase optomism about the economy, which would increase consumer spending. Could it be that the pro-stimulus side was right? True, maybe this upswing in consumer spending is just a coincidence. But it's hardly evidence AGAINST the stimulus.[/quote:2wnpdn13] There are ways to increase economic activity without mortgaging the grandkids.

[quote:2wnpdn13]Rep. Charlie Rangel of New York gets the boneheaded politician comment of the day.
I actually don't think it was too boneheaded. He joked that President Obama should “make certain he doesn’t run around in East Harlem unidentified", referencing the recent shooting of a black police officer by a white police officer. Ok, he shouldn't have brought the President into this, as he admitted.. But the article suggests that "Mayor Bloomberg and others were furious that Rangel suggested race was an issue in the shooting". Oh come on. After all the history in New York with police shootings, including police-on-police, you'd have to be an idiot to NOT think race was an issue here.[/quote:2wnpdn13]No, just someone who doesn't see race affecting every single thing in the world. But the implication was clearly a racist jest.

Lamont said:
AshburnerX said:
Why are Conservatives so Mean?
Ok, that made sense right up until the point they compared Obama to fucking Xerxes from 300 and called them both arrogant Metrosexuals tyrants. :eyeroll: That's when it went from thoughtful perspective on the current state of democracy to punditry.
You're being much kinder than I would be. I just wanted to ask "What's your excuse for talking to me like I'm a child, asshole?"
Well, (A) the intended audience is college students, and (B), as illustrated by de Tocqueville, leftists are pretty much children developmentally ;)
 
GasBandit said:
It's not a cause, it's an indicator. And it's a lot easier to be nonchalant about citi when one doesn't have their savings in them.
Do you mean you have a savings account with them (in which case your money is as safe as houses - actually, a hell of a lot safer than houses are) or that you've invested money with them (given it to them to manage, in which case this wouldn't be a good indicator, but it'd hardly be the first bad indicator in the last few months) or have you invested money in them (own stock of theirs, in which case you've already lost nearly all your money). Big difference between all of those.

Plus there was that whole watergate thing.
Which he somehow managed to do in less than four books. Having read a couple of the Bush books, he's gone sadly downhill. "All the President's Men" is one of my favorite non-fiction books of all time. Maybe it was Berstein all along :p

No, just someone who doesn't see race affecting every single thing in the world. But the implication was clearly a racist jest.
Really? Racist jest? Implying that innoscent African Americans can be shot by the police isn't racist; it's a sad fact. Hell, here's an article that's just about the black police officers killed in NYC: (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/nyreg ... rds&st=cse). Sure, if he had said that this particular white officer was motivated by racism, that would be wrong; but he didn't. Actually, at the same time he said his jest, he also said:

"An outside investigation would help assure the minority community that the incident was "just a mistake," added the veteran lawmaker.

"This is a tragic incident that requires the federal government to review what has happened to make certain that these type of things don't happen again," he said".

He seems to take the default position that it WAS just a mistake, but he wants an investigation just to make sure. How is this racist?
 
GasBandit said:
Lamont said:
You're being much kinder than I would be. I just wanted to ask "What's your excuse for talking to me like I'm a child, asshole?"
Well, (A) the intended audience is college students, and (B), as illustrated by de Tocqueville, leftists are pretty much children developmentally ;)
College students in the US are mentally challenged?

To be honest, my 8-year-old son would have told this guy to stop talking down to him and go fuck himself.

Only in more polite terms, of course. And, you know, in French. :)

Also, de Tocqueville would have laughed in your face about your usage of the word "liberal".
 

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Lamont said:
College students in the US are mentally challenged?
Sometimes I wonder. Quite often people pop out with a degree (especially in the liberal arts, ta-dum-pssh) and absolutely no grasp of how the world works or what to do in it. The need to educate has been and is still being slowly subsumed by the desire to indoctrinate.


Dieb said:
GasBandit said:
It's not a cause, it's an indicator. And it's a lot easier to be nonchalant about citi when one doesn't have their savings in them.
Do you mean you have a savings account with them (in which case your money is as safe as houses - actually, a hell of a lot safer than houses are) or that you've invested money with them (given it to them to manage, in which case this wouldn't be a good indicator, but it'd hardly be the first bad indicator in the last few months) or have you invested money in them (own stock of theirs, in which case you've already lost nearly all your money). Big difference between all of those.
I know that my savings are supposed to be backed up by the FDIC, but even they have asked for a bailout. I'm not as assured by that little "FDIC" in the bank's window as I used to be. Basically, the FDIC doesn't have any real money, all it has is accounting tricks to conjure money electronically.

[quote:2hjf40li]No, just someone who doesn't see race affecting every single thing in the world. But the implication was clearly a racist jest.
Really? Racist jest? Implying that innoscent African Americans can be shot by the police isn't racist; it's a sad fact.

He seems to take the default position that it WAS just a mistake, but he wants an investigation just to make sure. How is this racist?[/quote:2hjf40li]

He joked that Obama should not run around harlem unidentified, or the cops might just shoot him like any other darky.
 

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Muslim convert shoots up Army recruitment office in Arkansas, "because of what they had done to Muslims in the past." Turns out he was also under FBI investigation for traveling to Yemen with a Somali passport. Is it unreasonable to guess there might be more like this guy out there?

Georgia Secretary of State Hendel: "DOJ has thrown open the door for activist organizations such as ACORN to register non-citizens to vote in Georgia's elections, and the state has no ability to verify an applicant's citizenship status or whether the individual even exists."

Washington blew the bankruptcy of GM because it wanted to save the unions.

States, Congress Eyeing Sales Taxes on Internet Purchases

54% of Americans do not want to see the detainee prison facility at Guantanamo Bay closed.

Remember the swine flu thing? Yeah, they're still trying to scare you with it.

New Orleans has recovered... it's title of murder capital of the nation.
 
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