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Gay Marriage Speech

Dec 4, 2009#1

Dave

I realize that there's already a thread on gay marriage rights, but I just came upon this speech from Senator Savino of New York. It's a speech everyone should hear no matter what side of the aisle they are on in this issue. Amazing and awesome speech.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFFxidhcy0[/ame]

Dec 4, 2009#2

Chibibar

Dave said:
I realize that there's already a thread on gay marriage rights, but I just came upon this speech from Senator Savino of New York. It's a speech everyone should hear no matter what side of the aisle they are on in this issue. Amazing and awesome speech.

THAT IS AWESOME!

She pretty much state what is my view in all this. The government give unquestionable rights to married couples and thus every citizen should have access to the same right.

I love it when she said that the bill does not alter the religious group. They STILL have the right to deny any marriages they wish. This is a good point to make.

Dec 4, 2009#3

SpecialKO

Pity it didn't help that day.

Dec 4, 2009#4

Chibibar

TeKeo said:
Pity it didn't help that day.

probably because it is going in one ear and out another without actually process what she is trying to say.

Dec 4, 2009#5

SpecialKO

Chibibar;309294][quote=TeKeo said:
Pity it didn't help that day.

probably because it is going in one ear and out another without actually process what she is trying to say.[/QUOTE]

Probably also that a significant number of the upstaters in the NYS Senate are afraid of being "Hoffman-ed" out of office and don't want to stick their necks out for gay marriage.

Dec 4, 2009#6

Chibibar

TeKeo;309303][quote=Chibibar;309294][quote=TeKeo said:
Pity it didn't help that day.

Dec 4, 2009#7

Green_Lantern

Chibibar;309306][quote=TeKeo;309303][quote=Chibibar;309294][quote=TeKeo said:
Pity it didn't help that day.

just a note for some newer people: I have no qualms people are against same sex marriage due to their religious view. It is your religion and that is your right. I just wish the public would realize that they (the public pressure their elected officials) are suppressing other people's right. The same rights given to anyone else automatically. If every single wedded couple have to do the same thing then so be it, but since they don't, that needs to change.

(jumps off his soapbox)[/QUOTE]

(Jumps on the soapbox)

Going to watch the video later, just wanted to post this... why are people so dense about religious influence? HOW can some actually think that another person believes "That is wrong, sinfull and bad, but they have the right to do it"? In what kind of bizarre universe those people live where people can think that something is wrong but not enough to "be okay to others", the people that advocate your stance are either not sure or are just preteding to following that religious belief.

Dec 4, 2009#8

Chibibar

What do you mean by "dense about religious influence"? I know that our government (the U.S.) actually founded on religious belief but there is a separation of church and state law in place.

I know that some religious belief states that same sex relation is a sin, but a lot of things we do normally is consider a sin.

take Divorce for example. Many Old school Catholics believe that divorce is a sin and yet we allow that in the country (because other belief said it is ok and not a sin) so why can't same sex have the same view?

Dec 4, 2009#9

Green_Lantern

Chibibar said:
What do you mean by "dense about religious influence"? I know that our government (the U.S.) actually founded on religious belief but there is a separation of church and state law in place.

I know that some religious belief states that same sex relation is a sin, but a lot of things we do normally is consider a sin.

take Divorce for example. Many Old school Catholics believe that divorce is a sin and yet we allow that in the country (because other belief said it is ok and not a sin) so why can't same sex have the same view?

Dec 4, 2009#10

Chibibar

Green_Lantern;309391][quote=Chibibar said:
What do you mean by "dense about religious influence"? I know that our government (the U.S.) actually founded on religious belief but there is a separation of church and state law in place.

I know that some religious belief states that same sex relation is a sin, but a lot of things we do normally is consider a sin.

take Divorce for example. Many Old school Catholics believe that divorce is a sin and yet we allow that in the country (because other belief said it is ok and not a sin) so why can't same sex have the same view?

See the bit about "not being sure or pretending to follow they religious belief" (and add to that "being too lazy to care"). I am saying that someone can't actually think that something is truly wrong and be okay with other people doing it, if they do is likely because they aren't so sure that the thing is completely wrong, and think think it is a less desirable than other alternatives (like amputation when compared with death), but not truly wrong as something that can't be accepted...

Divorce got popular enough to the Catholic Church don't attacks it as much and the average person is likely to think that is something tragic rather than something wrong.[/QUOTE]

Ah, I see. I guess you are saying if someone said it is ok even if their religion said it is wrong, might question the religion "is it truly wrong?"

But I thought those same people also have a rule of "don't judge thy neighbor" or something of that sort isn't it? I mean people who doesn't believe in X religion is consider to be wrong and sinful but those are tolerated too.

Dec 4, 2009#11

makare

Alot of things are considered to be morally wrong, by many people for many different reasons, but they are not disallowed by law.

Allowing religious views as a basis for giving or withholding rights is contrary to the US principal of freedom. It is not possible for a person to withhold rights on religious grounds and still maintain to support freedom as the US ideal. I don't excuse those people just because they are maintaining their religious view of what is right, it is still contrary to the Law of the Land.

Dec 4, 2009#12

Seraphyn

I think we covered this many a time already, but as always I really really don't get the legal/political objections to gay marriage. Since religion and state are supposed to be separate, does this not ensure everyone be treated the same? So how come two people of good state of mind cannot be wed, while two others can?

Religious objections I get, hell I can even understand how people can feel uncomfortable when confronted with gays, but from an objective view I cannot understand why they are being treated like lesser people.

Dec 4, 2009#13

Chibibar

Seraphyn said:
I think we covered this many a time already, but as always I really really don't get the legal/political objections to gay marriage. Since religion and state are supposed to be separate, does this not ensure everyone be treated the same? So how come two people of good state of mind cannot be wed, while two others can?

Religious objections I get, hell I can even understand how people can feel uncomfortable when confronted with gays, but from an objective view I cannot understand why they are being treated like lesser people.

the problem is that there isn't any political objection OTHER than the lobby/fundraisers for the senators/house of rep are from the people who are against it. "If you wanna run for office again, you do as I say blah blah blah" mentality.

All this time, I have been fighting for the equal right under the government laws. The government give its citizen certain rights as wedded couple and should give everyone else right.

Dec 4, 2009#14

Cuyval Dar

ITT: Politician makes pretty darn good speech, GL irrationally hates on religion.

Dec 4, 2009#15

Shawn

Religion is flawed. They say "love everyone" but what they mean is "love those who think like you".
That is all.

Dec 4, 2009#16

Denbrought

Amorous Vyxen said:
I'm not really caught up with the Jedi religion though, what do they say about the LGBT community?

If I recall correctly, jedis aren't allowed to love/attach themselves to anybody soooo... Asexuality for everyone!

Dec 4, 2009#17

strawman

Dave said:
I realize that there's already a thread on gay marriage rights

Dec 5, 2009#18

bhamv3

Denbrought;309627][quote=Amorous Vyxen said:
I'm not really caught up with the Jedi religion though, what do they say about the LGBT community?

If I recall correctly, jedis aren't allowed to love/attach themselves to anybody soooo... Asexuality for everyone![/QUOTE]

Yeah, that one time this young Jedi started having sex, he ended up wearing black and slaughtering younglings and purging Jedi and shit. They learned their lesson after that. Sex and Jedi just don't mix, man.

Dec 5, 2009#19

Hailey Knight

Younglings... goddamn, what a stupid word... Ugh, it's too early in the morning to read or hear the word younglings.

Dec 5, 2009#20

Bowielee

bhamv3;309704][quote=Denbrought;309627][quote=Amorous Vyxen said:
I'm not really caught up with the Jedi religion though, what do they say about the LGBT community?

If I recall correctly, jedis aren't allowed to love/attach themselves to anybody soooo... Asexuality for everyone![/quote]

Yeah, that one time this young Jedi started having sex, he ended up wearing black and slaughtering younglings and purging Jedi and shit. They learned their lesson after that. Sex and Jedi just don't mix, man.[/QUOTE]

/nerdglasses on

The act of disallowing romantic relationships in the Jedi order predated Anakin and Padme's relationship.

/nerdglasses off

/looks around

Who was that dork?

Dec 5, 2009#21

Chibibar

Bowielee;309724][quote=bhamv3;309704][quote=Denbrought;309627][quote=Amorous Vyxen said:
I'm not really caught up with the Jedi religion though, what do they say about the LGBT community?

Dec 5, 2009#22

Hailey Knight

Chibibar;309729][quote=Bowielee;309724][quote=bhamv3;309704][quote=Denbrought;309627][quote=Amorous Vyxen said:
I'm not really caught up with the Jedi religion though, what do they say about the LGBT community?

[/QUOTE]

There really weren't any rules at that point, were there? The Jedi order was pretty much destroyed. Later in EU, Luke's trainees are allowed to have relationships and such, so I've heard.

Dec 5, 2009#23

Le Quack

Chibibar said:
What do you mean by "dense about religious influence"? I know that our government (the U.S.) actually founded on religious belief but there is a separation of church and state law in place.

I know that some religious belief states that same sex relation is a sin, but a lot of things we do normally is consider a sin.

take Divorce for example. Many Old school Catholics believe that divorce is a sin and yet we allow that in the country (because other belief said it is ok and not a sin) so why can't same sex have the same view?

The United States was NOT founded on religious beliefs.

Dec 5, 2009#24

AshburnerX

Le Quack;309773][quote=Chibibar said:
What do you mean by "dense about religious influence"? I know that our government (the U.S.) actually founded on religious belief but there is a separation of church and state law in place.

I know that some religious belief states that same sex relation is a sin, but a lot of things we do normally is consider a sin.

take Divorce for example. Many Old school Catholics believe that divorce is a sin and yet we allow that in the country (because other belief said it is ok and not a sin) so why can't same sex have the same view?

The United States was NOT founded on religious beliefs.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. It was founded by Religious People, not on religious ideals.

Dec 5, 2009#25

Cuyval Dar

I'm inclined to disagree with LeQuack, not because I think that he's necessarily wrong, but on general principle.

Dec 5, 2009#26

Green_Lantern

Cuyval Dar said:
ITT: Politician makes pretty darn good speech, GL irrationally hates on religion.

Dec 5, 2009#27

Cuyval Dar

No one is silencing your right to express your views, however, YOU are the one who is mocking the views and beliefs of others. I'll give you one guess as to who in this thread is in the wrong.

Dec 5, 2009#28

Cuyval Dar

Amorous Vyxen;309806][quote=Green_Lantern;309803][quote=Cuyval Dar said:
ITT: Politician makes pretty darn good speech, GL irrationally hates on religion.

Fucking tired of having to deal with a world where I the crazy one because I don't think that death is the greatest thing ever, or that some invisible bearded man in the sky is all powerfull and does everything to help, but only in a way that we can't tell if he is real or not. I tired of staying quiet while I see everyone creating ilusions around themselves because they are too cowards to deal with the reality, and I am tired of this cold and unforgiving reality that is just cruel and pointless and just a slow path to heaven-less oblivion, and yet I can't say the truth or everyone will hate me because they are too weak to get out of they dream worlds. That is my irrationality to you.[/QUOTE]

See. It's the way you say this stuff that makes other people react that way here. It makes you seem no better than teh ones you condemn for condemning you. And your "the truth" is just your belief of it. I have mine, and it's not really similar to yours.

It's also how you only respond to Cuyvar's comment and NOT the rest above it that were actually legitimate comments. It makes it completely pointless to even try to talk to you about this.

Where I come from, guys have it pretty good, not equal equal yet, but they can marry, adopt kids, and so on. You're very jaded because of your personal past but that doesn't mean every gay man or woman is treated just as bad as you were.

Try being me! Really, now there's a hoot!

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Cuyval Dar said:
No one is silencing your right to express your views, however, YOU are the one who is mocking the views and beliefs of others.

Exactly.[/QUOTE]

This. A thousand times this.
Honestly, I would rather listen to LeQuack rant about how the cops are out to get him, rather than Green Lantern whining about how badly he has been treated (all GLBT are obviously treated the same way).

Dec 5, 2009#29

Chibibar

AshburnerX;309779][quote=Le Quack;309773][quote=Chibibar said:
What do you mean by "dense about religious influence"? I know that our government (the U.S.) actually founded on religious belief but there is a separation of church and state law in place.

I know that some religious belief states that same sex relation is a sin, but a lot of things we do normally is consider a sin.

take Divorce for example. Many Old school Catholics believe that divorce is a sin and yet we allow that in the country (because other belief said it is ok and not a sin) so why can't same sex have the same view?

Dec 5, 2009#30

AshburnerX

Chibibar;309825][quote=AshburnerX;309779][quote=Le Quack;309773][quote=Chibibar said:
What do you mean by "dense about religious influence"? I know that our government (the U.S.) actually founded on religious belief but there is a separation of church and state law in place.

I know that some religious belief states that same sex relation is a sin, but a lot of things we do normally is consider a sin.

take Divorce for example. Many Old school Catholics believe that divorce is a sin and yet we allow that in the country (because other belief said it is ok and not a sin) so why can't same sex have the same view?

The United States was NOT founded on religious beliefs.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. It was founded by Religious People, not on religious ideals.[/QUOTE]

It is hard to see much of a difference when our President (on both side) praise God and such even our money has "in God we Trust"[/QUOTE]

In God we Trust was removed from money a long time ago and then put back on very recently (during the fearmongering Bush administration.) It'll be removed again as soon as someone makes noise about it.

Dec 5, 2009#31

strawman

AshburnerX said:
In God we Trust was removed from money a long time ago and then put back on very recently (during the fearmongering Bush administration.) It'll be removed again as soon as someone makes noise about it.

Dec 5, 2009#32

makare

stienman;309905][quote=AshburnerX said:
In God we Trust was removed from money a long time ago and then put back on very recently (during the fearmongering Bush administration.) It'll be removed again as soon as someone makes noise about it.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

[/QUOTE]

Just wishful thinking I guess.

Dec 5, 2009#33

Cuyval Dar

Honestly, I don't think that Ash has any clue what he says in this subforum.

Dec 6, 2009#34

Chibibar

While I totally understand that the U.S. is not a specific "religious" country, the major part of the government are heavily influence by the Christian/Catholic base religion (more than others possibly. Muslim might be a close 3rd now in terms of actually getting people INTO office.)

Even some court houses still have 10 commandment on their property (except earlier this year I believe it was finally remove from a federal court house) Even in our court system we "swore to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God" (what if you are atheist?)

While it is my wishful thinking that the people can separate themselves from religion and government, I had hope that logic would dictate that even if your personal belief say it is wrong. It is not *universally* wrong.

Note: *universally* means the world as a whole. There are several religious group and non-religious group who accepts same-sex couple as normal citizens. Other than religion, there is no society negative impact of having the same sex couple in your area. (my opinion)

Dec 6, 2009#35

Cajungal

^I'm with you. I don't really care, honestly. To me, it's always spoken more to the history of our country. The simple fact is that we were founded by people who were mostly Christian. That doesn't have anything to do with my own beliefs. If you don't like it, try not staring at your money. I can't imagine caring even if I stopped believing in the idea of a god all-together.

Dec 6, 2009#36

AshburnerX

stienman;309905][quote=AshburnerX said:
In God we Trust was removed from money a long time ago and then put back on very recently (during the fearmongering Bush administration.) It'll be removed again as soon as someone makes noise about it.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

"In God We Trust" has been the national motto of the USA since 1956.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

Perhaps you've been listening to some fanatic or another with an axe to grind.

I'm not interested in starting a new thread, as I have nothing more to say on the subject, but if you or someone else wants to discuss this particular topic further I suggest you create a new thread.[/QUOTE]

Huh... you learn something every day. And yes, that was second hand from someone else. Looking at the net though, it does seem like there is a lot of sentiment to get it removed. I really couldn't care less ether way... it's just fucking money.

Dec 6, 2009#37

Chibibar

Cajungal said:
^I'm with you. I don't really care, honestly. To me, it's always spoken more to the history of our country. The simple fact is that we were founded by people who were mostly Christian. That doesn't have anything to do with my own beliefs. If you don't like it, try not staring at your money. I can't imagine caring even if I stopped believing in the idea of a god all-together.

Heh. I personally didn't mean to start a new debate on money. The whole point is that the U.S. was founded by many people who believe in Christianity and thus the laws reflect that. Is it right for the people of the U.S? I don't know, but what I do know (and what I feel) is that some of these government officials' belief is getting in the way for equal government rights.

Dec 6, 2009#38

Espy

Amorous Vyxen said:
If you're gonna make a big deal about something like that you really need to get a life in my opinion.

Pretty much. There are bigger fish to fry if you have issues with government.

Dec 6, 2009#39

Piotyr

Espy;309998][quote=Amorous Vyxen said:
If you're gonna make a big deal about something like that you really need to get a life in my opinion.

Pretty much. There are bigger fish to fry if you have issues with government.[/QUOTE]

Like gay marriage, for example... [/segue]

Dec 6, 2009#40

RocketGirl

Personally, I don't WANT gay marriage to be legal.

...not until they legalize gay divorce.

'Course, that might be cuzza the long string of psychotics I seem to have ended up dating, but hey... :whistling:

Dec 6, 2009#41

The Lovely Boehner

Amorous Vyxen said:
I don't get what you mean by gay divorce though? Is that seriously illegal or something? Am I missing a joke? *confused*

You can't get gay divorced if you can't get gay married.....

Dec 6, 2009#42

Kitty Sinatra

I don't see how any divorce can be gay. Mine was a miserable, soul crushing affair. So was the marriage, too.

I fully support gay marriage, but my experience suggests no such thing can exist.

Dec 6, 2009#43

RocketGirl

Amorous Vyxen said:
"Good day!"

"I said good day!"

heh, the video is spot on.

Heh, thanks.

I don't get what you mean by gay divorce though? Is that seriously illegal or something? Am I missing a joke? *confused*

It's a joke.

Though in all seriousness, marriage IS entered into far too lightly these days, and there are some psycho-bitches that I've gone out with that--as the time--I thought I might want something more permanent with...and had gay marriage been legal at the time...
An escape hatch is A Good Thing™. I'm just sayin'.

Dec 6, 2009#44

RocketGirl

Amorous Vyxen said:
I'm just glad I live in a country I can get married, to anyone I want to. There's little to no opposition toward it here.

Which country is that? Your profile doesn't say.

I mean, I'm gonna guess Canada off the top of my head, but...I could be wrong.

Dec 6, 2009#45

RocketGirl

Amorous Vyxen said:
Netherlands.

Wow, was I off! Heh.

Well, no worries.

Dec 6, 2009#46

Kitty Sinatra

There's plenty of Dutch here in Canada, and several statues of Canadians in the Netherlands, so I don't think you were that far off.

Dec 6, 2009#47

RocketGirl

Gruebeard said:
There's plenty of Dutch here in Canada, and several statues of Canadians in the Netherlands, so I don't think you were that far off.

Oh, I'm always just a bit off.

Dec 6, 2009#48

Iaculus

RocketGirl;310070][quote=Gruebeard said:
There's plenty of Dutch here in Canada, and several statues of Canadians in the Netherlands, so I don't think you were that far off.

Oh, I'm always just a bit off.

[/QUOTE]

And this makes you different from the rest of the forum... how?

Dec 6, 2009#49

Kitty Sinatra

Roses and Perfection. That could be my motto. It certainly is what you get when you're with me.

Dec 6, 2009#50

ThatGrinningIdiot!

Amorous Vyxen;310069][quote=RocketGirl;310066][quote=Amorous Vyxen said:
Netherlands.

Wow, was I off! Heh.

Well, no worries.

[/QUOTE]

NP, I should add more to my profile maybe.. Or put a permanent wiki link in my sig.

Not gonna say it's all roses and perfect over here, but when it comes to LGBT issues we are lightyears ahead compared to the US.[/QUOTE]

Your placement of adjectives makes your sentiment almost contradictory.

Dec 6, 2009#51

RocketGirl

Iaculus;310076][quote=RocketGirl;310070][quote=Gruebeard said:
There's plenty of Dutch here in Canada, and several statues of Canadians in the Netherlands, so I don't think you were that far off.

Oh, I'm always just a bit off.

[/quote]

And this makes you different from the rest of the forum... how?[/QUOTE]

Not sure it does, except possibly by degree.

I was just sayin'...

Dec 6, 2009#52

Kitty Sinatra

Amorous Vyxen;310079][quote=Gruebeard said:
Roses and Perfection. That could be my motto. It certainly is what you get when you're with me.

I was just told by someone to smell the roses. >.>[/QUOTE]

You should listen to that someone.

Dec 6, 2009#53

makare

Dont you smell tulips?

Dec 6, 2009#54

Norris

That is a great speech and the video posted further down the thread was a good and straightforward sentiment. But they both missed what is, in my opinion, the true crux of the issue - the rights marriage conveys. There are...hundreds, IIRC, of rights that a gov't issued marriage contract gives a couple. Many of these can't be covered by a will or a personal contract. Love is the impetus of marriage, equality is the reason marriage rights should be extended to gay couples, but I doubt that most of the people opposing gay marriage (and I don't mean the hardliners) actually KNOW what marriage rights entail because you never think about things like hospital visitation, inheritance rights, guardianship of kids, etc.

That, to me, is the long and short.

Dec 6, 2009#55

Chibibar

Amorous Vyxen;310166][quote=Dorko said:
That is a great speech and the video posted further down the thread was a good and straightforward sentiment. But they both missed what is, in my opinion, the true crux of the issue - the rights marriage conveys. There are...hundreds, IIRC, of rights that a gov't issued marriage contract gives a couple. Many of these can't be covered by a will or a personal contract. Love is the impetus of marriage, equality is the reason marriage rights should be extended to gay couples, but I doubt that most of the people opposing gay marriage (and I don't mean the hardliners) actually KNOW what marriage rights entail because you never think about things like hospital visitation, inheritance rights, guardianship of kids, etc.

That, to me, is the long and short.

Sadly, I think if you told most of them they'd simply not care if "those ******s" can't see their loved ones in the hospital. They should've known better before they "chose" to live this live of sin.

That, is what I believe. They don't just don't want gays to be able to marry.. they don't want them to have any rights AT ALL.

---------- Post added at 10:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:45 PM ----------

Edit: I have no idea who 'they' is. I just pictured some rednecks.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I believe the citizens who oppose think that since these people's life choice does not match theirs should not have any rights at all (at least government rights)

Now, if the government does not give any rights to any couple, then I wouldn't be on the fighting side of same sex marriage (or against since I let people live their lives. whatever makes them happy) This means that you have to have paper for everything like hospital visit, wills, no family medical benefits (everyone get their own) but... I can't see this happening cause our society is so ingrain with these privileges and won't give it up (the hetro couples)

Dec 6, 2009#56

Kitty Sinatra

Amorous Vyxen;310090][quote=Gruebeard;310085][quote=Amorous Vyxen;310079][quote=Gruebeard said:
Roses and Perfection. That could be my motto. It certainly is what you get when you're with me.

I was just told by someone to smell the roses. >.>[/QUOTE]

You should listen to that someone.[/QUOTE]

I may need to answer your questions first.[/QUOTE]

Another Thing Gruebeard Doesn't Get: Innuendo :eek:

I'm totally lost here, but I'll try to enjoy the ride.

Dec 7, 2009#57

WolfOfOdin

But....but...if them thar gays get married, da world's gunna 'splode an' jim-bob's gunna marry him a turtle!

..Sorry, I just get amused by the argument that if we legalize gay marriage, people will marry plants and letters because they now don't know any better. I actually debated someone who held that point of view, and prefaced every statement with " The Lord said".

Dec 7, 2009#58

RocketGirl

WolfOfOdin said:
I actually debated someone who held that point of view, and prefaced every statement with " The Lord said".

When I was a kid, I never knew squat about orders of nobility or what it meant to be a 'lord'. In fact, there were only two people I ever heard called 'Lord': God and Darth Vader.

...which may go a long way to explaining my aversion to religion.

So when someone tells me that "the Lord said...", my first reaction is, "Here's what we need to do the opposite of..."

Dec 7, 2009#59

Cajungal

Do they find your lack of faith disturbing?

Dec 7, 2009#60

bhamv3

Cajungal said:
Do they find your lack of faith disturbing?

Dec 7, 2009#61

RocketGirl

Cajungal said:
Do they find your lack of faith disturbing?

Strangely, no.

My YouTube channel is dedicated largely to rabid-and-screaming atheism, and yet I get such a tiny percentage of the trolls compared to my other YouTube peeps.

Dec 7, 2009#62

Bowielee

Has anyone else ever noticed that the majority of sunday morning christians have never actually read the bible cover to cover? They just pick out the passages that Billy Graham told them about and take that as the gospel truth.

I've read the bible multiple times... which probably explains why I'm an atheist.

Though, I do have to say, as I have many times, that the atheists who are just as rabbid as the fundamentalists annoy me just as much as the holy rollers.

Dec 7, 2009#63

Espy

Bowielee said:
Has anyone else ever noticed that the majority of sunday morning christians have never actually read the bible cover to cover? They just pick out the passages that Billy Graham told them about and take that as the gospel truth.

Yes. Those of us who teach in higher Christian education are shockingly aware of this.

Bowielee said:
I've read the bible multiple times... which probably explains why I'm an atheist.

I have too! Which probably explain why I'm a Christian.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Dec 7, 2009#64

Kitty Sinatra

I've never read the bible. Does that make me Jewish?

Dec 7, 2009#65

AshburnerX

Amorous Vyxen;311135][quote=Gruebeard said:
I've never read the bible. Does that make me Jewish?

Did you read the Torah?[/QUOTE]

Or as we Christians call it, the Old Testament.

Dec 7, 2009#66

Espy

Amorous Vyxen;311138][quote=AshburnerX;311137][quote=Amorous Vyxen;311135][quote=Gruebeard said:
I've never read the bible. Does that make me Jewish?

Did you read the Torah?[/QUOTE]

Or as we Christians call it, the Old Testament.[/QUOTE]

That is incorrect though. The Old Testament is a ton of books (the number varies per version of the Bible), whereas the Torah is only 5 books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.[/QUOTE]

Ah... if you were in my class I'd totally give you extra points for being right and for being SO DAMN STYLIN! :cool:

Dec 7, 2009#67

Espy

Amorous Vyxen;311140][quote=Espy;311139][quote=Amorous Vyxen;311138][quote=AshburnerX;311137][quote=Amorous Vyxen;311135][quote=Gruebeard said:
I've never read the bible. Does that make me Jewish?

[/QUOTE]

lol thanks? ^.^

I just see that mistake being made a lot.[/QUOTE]

You and me both sister.

Dec 7, 2009#68

WolfOfOdin

Hehe, I get amused by people who think the Torah is nothing but the Old Testament...No one's read the Midrash or the Talmud?!

Hell, I perused the Upanisads, the Bagavad Gita, the Book of Invasions, the Havamal and the Treatises on how the please the Olympian Gods before I even tried debating religion

Dec 7, 2009#69

AshburnerX

Wow... my Sunday school teachers apparently sucked.

Dec 7, 2009#70

Steven Soderburgin

speech owns, even though the bill failed.

Dec 7, 2009#71

Cajungal

AshburnerX said:
Wow... my Sunday school teachers apparently sucked.

A lot of Sunday school/religion teachers suck. They think they can get away with answering every question: "Jesus loves you" and "Because the Bible says so."

Dec 8, 2009#72

Krisken

Cajungal;311194][quote=AshburnerX said:
Wow... my Sunday school teachers apparently sucked.

A lot of Sunday school/religion teachers suck. They think they can get away with answering every question: "Jesus loves you" and "Because the Bible says so."[/QUOTE]
Yup. Even if they never read one.

Dec 8, 2009#73

Cajungal

I've only had 2 good ones, and they were exceptional. I'm beginning to wonder if there's any middle ground.

Dec 8, 2009#74

RocketGirl

Amorous Vyxen said:
When (non Judaism) people say "Torah" they tend to only refer to those 5 books, yes.

An' everytime I hear someone say, "Torah", all I can think is "Tora! Tora! Tora!", the old Japanish battlecry from WWII...

...or "Toro, toro, toro!" from bullfights.

The Talmud/Midrash is akin to the Muslim Hadith/Sunnah.

And when I hear "Talmud", I think of the "Talman" or "Talmun" or whatever it was called from the movie Enemy Mine...

Just sayin'...

Dec 8, 2009#75

Kitty Sinatra

Amorous Vyxen;311135][quote=Gruebeard said:
I've never read the bible. Does that make me Jewish?

Did you read the Torah?[/QUOTE]

No. So maybe I'm Muslim.

Dec 8, 2009#76

WolfOfOdin

Is it wrong that I was blind stinking drunk when I made that post? o_o

Dec 8, 2009#77

Kitty Sinatra

Amorous Vyxen;311294][quote=Gruebeard;311288][quote=Amorous Vyxen;311135][quote=Gruebeard said:
I've never read the bible. Does that make me Jewish?

Did you read the Torah?[/QUOTE]

No. So maybe I'm Muslim.[/QUOTE]

Doubtful, as the Quran confirms the Torah.[/QUOTE]

Huh. Well, I have watched Star Wars. Perhaps I'm a Jedi?

Dec 8, 2009#78

Kitty Sinatra

Unfortunately.

For the last month or so anyway.

Dec 8, 2009#79

Kitty Sinatra

*perks up*

Indeed?

I'm interested in hearing how.

Dec 9, 2009#80

Covar

Gruebeard said:
*perks up*

Indeed?

I'm interested in hearing how.

have sex.

Dec 9, 2009#81

strawman

I don't see how stealing lawn gnomes helps with the having sex, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to know.

Dec 9, 2009#82

Kitty Sinatra

So is "Have Sex" Step 1? Cause then Step 2 would be "get dressed and get out"*

Or is "Have Sex" Step 3? Cause then I'm at a loss as to what both Steps 1 and 2 would be.

*Other things I could've wrote as Step 2:
-Pay the piper (by which I mean prostitute)
-thank god almighty hallelujah. hallelu-u-e-ah
-Rebury the corpse.

Dec 9, 2009#83

Armadillo

Amorous Vyxen;312350][quote=Gruebeard said:
So is "Have Sex" Step 1? Cause then Step 2 would be "get dressed and get out"*

Or is "Have Sex" Step 3? Cause then I'm at a loss as to what both Steps 1 and 2 would be.

*Other things I could've wrote as Step 2:
-Pay the piper (by which I mean prostitute)
-thank god almighty hallelujah. hallelu-u-e-ah
-Rebury the corpse.

"Have Sex" is Step 3.[/QUOTE]

And "Profit" is Step 5.

Dec 9, 2009#84

Kitty Sinatra

So step 4 would be "stiff your pimp?

Dec 10, 2009#85

Denbrought

Gruebeard said:
So step 4 would be "stiff your pimp?

Step 4 is always ?????, silly'un.

Dec 10, 2009#86

Kitty Sinatra

I apparently don't get this joke.

I just know that Vyx offered to help end my celibacy; I'm waiting to hear more on that.

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