[PC Game] How to Play Killing Floor 2

(He's abusing animation cancelling by hitting V-R-V-R-V-R-V to interrupt the bash animation after it hits with a reload, then immediately interrupting the reload animation with another bash.
Is that cheating? Or is this one of those, "The game lets you do it so therefore it must be OK" things?

--Patrick
 

GasBandit

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Is that cheating? Or is this one of those, "The game lets you do it so therefore it must be OK" things?

--Patrick
Pretty much the whole world has accepted animation cancelling as a "feature." I think it's kinda cheesy, especially in fighting games (it plays a large part in the later street fighters, some MOBAs, etc), but I have to admit I abuse it a little myself by bashing out of a reload animation - though not to bash faster, but rather to be able to start shooting again, because sometimes there's a good half-second of "animation" left over after the gun thinks it is reloaded and the ammo count resets.
 
I don't think I ever paid much attention to animation cancellation until it became a Big Thing with Roadhog.

--Patrick
 

GasBandit

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I’ll have to try that the next time I’m stuck as Genji in randos.

—Patrick

It was even more ridiculous before they made it so that swift strike doesn't animation cancel melee attack anymore. Before then, every genji would do 150 damage instantly by right clicking, interrupting it with a melee hit, and interrupting THAT with swift strike.
 
Right. Now I’ll also just have to get the other team to hold still like that for me and I will be UNSTOPPABLE!

—Patrick
 

GasBandit

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Right. Now I’ll also just have to get the other team to hold still like that for me and I will be UNSTOPPABLE!

—Patrick
The point is, it's instant, so it should work on a moving target, too. It combines multiple attacks into one. There's more, too, read the whole reddit post (it doesn't embed the author's text, just his first picture).
 
I’d be concerned all three shuriken wouldn’t hit before the melee strike, though I assume reading through the posts may answer that question. Hey I’m just now finally starting to get the hang of Lúcio’s wall ride. It requires mashing the space bar more often than I thought.

EDIT: huh, it’s been removed already? I’m sure I’ll find someone else talking about it, though.

—Patrick
 

GasBandit

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I’d be concerned all three shuriken wouldn’t hit before the melee strike, though I assume reading through the posts may answer that question. Hey I’m just now finally starting to get the hang of Lúcio’s wall ride. It requires mashing the space bar more often than I thought.

EDIT: huh, it’s been removed already? I’m sure I’ll find someone else talking about it, though.

—Patrick
Click the title of the embed.
 

GasBandit

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I think I figured out how to turn off forced VS balance, so Terrik can finally go 1vAll against us if he's so inclined.

Snuffles, Terrik, and I tries VS again last night. It's a bit better at level 20, but those Scrakes are still eight bitches on a bitch boat. I think it might be a good idea to do VS in 7 rounds instead of 4 so the ramp is more gradual. Also, a lot of custom maps seem to have problems spawning player zeds (Particularly blockfort and synthwavething)
 
I still don't really like KF2 vs. There's no clever use of tactics that allow you to just avoid the big guys like we can do in L4D.
 

GasBandit

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For completing this week's challenge, Snuffles, Dei, and I got Gold Helmets to go with our gold armor and gold backpacks.

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GasBandit

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A look at Killing Floor through the ages, from 2005, when it was just a mod/conversion for Unreal Tournament 2004, thru KF2's release in 2015.



Man, member when every game was pitch black with pulsing neon colored lighting?
 

figmentPez

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Any suggestions for my noob ass? The first Killing Floor didn't really click with me (I'm also not very good at Mann vs Machine in TF2.) Something about buying equipment between rounds is not something that comes easily.
 

GasBandit

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Any suggestions for my noob ass? The first Killing Floor didn't really click with me (I'm also not very good at Mann vs Machine in TF2.) Something about buying equipment between rounds is not something that comes easily.
You can go to the trader and hold down "E" instead of tapping it to just have the trader automatically sell you what it thinks would be in your best interest.

I've changed the server back to Survival-Hard. It'll be a little challenging, but you'll gain exp really fast. I recommend berzerker or support for your first class to level. Tomorrow after work I can help shepherd you through it some, if you want.
 
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You can go to the trader and hold down "E" instead of tapping it to just have the trader automatically sell you what it thinks would be in your best interest.

I've changed the server back to Survival-Hard. It'll be a little challenging, but you'll gain exp really fast. I recommend berzerker or support for your first class to level. Tomorrow after work I can help shepherd you through it some, if you want.
Alternatively, if playing on your own, solo normal and play something like SWAT.

Also, autobuying usually sucks. :/
 

GasBandit

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Just bumping this thread because I still have a killing floor 2 server, and I've decided I'm gonna keep it separate for right now from the empyrion server. It's still out there, but randos are using it mostly. heh
 

GasBandit

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Ok, I've got the "New Halforums KF2 Server" running on the same box as my empyrion server now, and I've cancelled my subscription to the hosted one on Bluefang. The old Halforums KF2 server should vanish in early November. I've got all the maps copied over and working both from the webadmin and the in-game mapvote menu.

I'd like to add more maps, but the latest version has introduced a bug that is preventing the dedicated server software from downloading from the workshop, so that'll have to wait.
 

GasBandit

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I've incorporated a mod into the server, it can now handle up to 32 max players. So, I'd be surprised if it is ever too full for anybody who wants to play :p It still will say X/6 on the server list, but will keep accepting players past 6 up to 32.
 
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GasBandit

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Oh, and you should be able to join the server without having to search for it in the server list by hitting F3, then typing open halforums-empyrion.com
 

GasBandit

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Alright, I've manually rebuilt the server cache, so hopefully last night's "version mismatch" errors on some of the maps should be gone now. I've also added a new map that looks pretty cool called KF-Subduction.

The server is still not automatically updating/downloading steam workshop items, so everything that gets put there, I have to do manually... which is a real pain in the ass. I hope it's fixed now. I'll need the help of someone who isn't subscribed to the maps to help me check it, though.
 
FYI it looks like the multitwitch issues weren’t so much which browser you’re using as a conflict with either Ublock Origin or Disconnect, you Opera-hater, you.

—Patrick
 

GasBandit

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FYI it looks like the multitwitch issues weren’t so much which browser you’re using as a conflict with either Ublock Origin or Disconnect, you Opera-hater, you.

—Patrick
I use ublock origin and had zero issues on both chrome and firefox.
 

GasBandit

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Until such time as the server workshop updates are functioning again, I have removed the known trouble maps (including SynthwaveThing ;_; ) out of the map rotation.
 

GasBandit

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Gas Bandit's Guide to Berserking -

You're gonna find a lot of Berserker guides out there that'll tell you that Berserkers are gods, and others will tell you they're borderline at best. I'm here to tell you they're good, but situational. They are unparalleled soloers, and great at chewing through hordes of trash mobs, but at higher difficulties and in certain "flavor" rounds (Boom!, Up Up and Decay) they are at a major disadvantage.

It's tempting to go off and do your own thing, even when playing on a server with other people, but if you're not supporting your group they might die, and what they leave behind might be something you can't do by yourself. So it's best, I find, to use your 'zerker in a protective capacity. Try to watch your buddies' flanks and deal with anything that comes up on them, and help them take down the big guys when they show up. In certain situations, you can also bodily block a chokepoint so your friends can shoot past/over you with impunity, though at later stages and higher difficulties, you might need a lot of healer support to do this.

What weapons to buy and when

My preferred upgrade path goes like this -
If you're playing with me, or if you own Road Redemption, you can buy the Road Redeemer club. This club is basically a blunt version reskin of the Katana. If you can afford a Katana or Road Redeemer at the end of the first round on short (or second round on normal, or third round on long), then get it. I like the RR better than the Katana because, although it is slightly slower, it also has greater stumbling power, which means you can use it to bat around large groups of trash mobs and keep them from attacking or getting past you. Also, Fleshpounds are resistant to slashing damage, which makes the RR do more damage to them than the Katana. But if you can't get the RR, the Katana is still an excellent weapon. The katana's "bash" attack (default key V) is actually a forward stab, not a bash, and is stupidly strong.

However, by the boss wave (5 on short or on endless), you need to have the Eviscerator. If you aren't making money like you think you should be, stick to the crovel until you can afford the eviscerator. The crovel is actually a really good weapon, probably the best "starter" class weapon of any perk. It can one-shot a lot of weaker enemies, especially if you get headshots with it (and indeed, some people swear by spending the money to upgrade the crovel instead of buying a Katana). So, it's entirely within the realm of feasibility to stick with the crovel until you have your eviscerator. The Eviscerator's M1 attack fires sawblades that can ricochet and can be retrieved when they finally stop, and the M2 attack uses gasoline to rev up the sawblade and do lots of melee damage fast. When you run out of gasoline, M2 will do the eviscerator's bash attack, which isn't as good (but better than nothing)... so usually, when I run out of gas, I switch back to my RR/Katana for melee, only taking the Eviscerator back out if I need ranged damage against Scrakes/Fleshpounds/Bosses. Or I go find more ammo boxes, as each one will also refill 50 gasoline.

Other weapons - forget the knife, you should at least always have a crovel to use in melee. The nailgun is nearly useless, only really good if you are in a boom round, and even then, you don't know it's coming until it's too late to buy anything. The zweihander and the Pulverizer are decent alternative options if you prefer to stick and move with heavy attacks instead of wading in with fast attacks. The bone crusher and static strikers are excellent soloing weapons, but their weight means you can't have an eviscerator along with them, which means I almost never get them - the eviscerator is too useful.

Grenades - the EMP grenades do almost no damage, but they de-rage, confuse, and silence mobs. If your group is getting swarmed, an EMP grenade can save the day by breaking up the pack and letting your friends escape. Sirens can't scream, husks can't flame, bloats can't puke, and Scrakes and FPs can't rage while under the effect of the EMP grenade, and although they can still melee attack, they also tend to wander in random directions. This is a huge tactical get-out-of-jail-free card, so don't be shy about tossing one when things start getting thick.

Now let's talk perk configuration.

Level 5 - Dreadnaught vs Skirmisher -
Go Skirmisher for the HP regen and speed boost. No contest. That regen is what will keep you alive and tanking, and the speed boost is important for kiting when things go to shit.
Level 10 - Vampire vs Butcher -
Vampire can seem tempting, but it's only 4hp per kill.... which means killing that fleshpound still only gets you 4hp, same as killing a clot. Basically, this means you get heals when you don't need them and don't when you do. Go Butcher instead. 20% bonus damage and 25% bonus attack speed is huge.
Level 15 - Resistance vs Parry -
A lot of people pooh-pooh resistance as being only for noobs, but if you're protecting a group with your body, it really helps to have that bonus sonic and poison resist so you can deal with the bloats and ESPECIALLY the sirens without backup. A puked teammate is largely a useless teammate, and Resistance also removes the "can't see shit" factor of getting puked on. A couple sirens can end your whole group since they like to hide behind other zeds and don't need line of sight to do their dirty work - AND they ignore armor. Dealing with Sirens fast is definitely a priority for me, and Resistance really lets me get in there and do that without fear. That said, if you are REALLY good at parrying, Parry can extend your lifespan, especially against Scrakes and FPs. But I usually go resistance.
Level 20 - Smash vs Massacre -
This depends on your playstyle and your role. Massacre will help you deal with huge amounts of trashmobs quickly, which can help you keep the area clear so you and your team can move about freely - and 9 times out of 10, whenever I've experienced a wipe, it's been because we got boxed in by too many bodies. Smash, however, is much more useful for dealing with big enemies - especially since it applies to the launched sawblades from your eviscerator. So, it's up to you - Massacre will let you take that RR/Katana out and clear a room fast as hell (I swing 3 to 4 times per second with massacre, and two headshots kills a siren that way, and the first one stops her scream to begin with), so I think a lot of people make a mistake to dismiss it in favor of smash. Consider what you usually find yourself doing in your role, and pick accordingly. Bear in mind if you use the Pulverizer hammer, the Smash bonus only applies to the blunt damage, not the explosive.
Level 25 - Rage vs Spartan -
No contest. Spartan. Being able to move and attack at normal speed during a slow-mo is a god-tier ability.

Finally, let's cover some Techniques You Should Know And Use:

1) Directional attacks.
The direction of your melee swing depends upon the direction you are moving when you attack. Moving forward means you will swing overhead, which gives you the best chance to hit the head. Moving side to side will make you swing the same direction as you are moving, which is good for stumbling and if you are lucky, get multiple headshots at once on mobs of similar height. Attacking while moving backwards will swing upwards from low, which has a good chance to cause a stumble, letting you get away from whatever you're backing away from. However, in most situations, I'm holding W while swinging, because those melee headshots are TO DIE FOR. You will one shot most trash mobs, silence and stumble most intermediate zeds, and often also stumble the big guys, giving you a second or so to get 2 or 3 more hits in before you have to dodge his counterattack. Make the most of your tactical options.

2) Parrying
Using middle mouse button with any melee weapon will attempt to "parry" with it. If you hit parry within a half second before the enemy's attack lands, you will stagger them backwards and reduce the amount of damage you take by a lot depending on perk config and weapon being used (up to 70% with the eviscerator). This is especially useful for de-raging scrakes and fleshpounds (and ESPECIALLY King Fleshpound) because the parry will still count as a "hit" and they will come back down out of rage mode despite having done very little damage. Parrying is key to controlling the flow of combat and surviving against the big boys, so it is worth taking the time and effort to get good at doing it.

3) Animation Cancelling
There are a lot of animations that can be cancelled early so you can chain into other attacks fast. My favorite one is, using the Eviscerator, when you have to reload the blades, as soon as the mag is "clanked" onto the gun, right click to start buzzsawing. This will cancel the reload animation almost a full second early, but after you've already gotten "credit" for the reload. This means you can start doing damage and protecting yourself and your friends much faster. You can also use "reload" (r) on a melee weapon after a heavy attack (right click) to cancel the animation and then immediately heavy attack again (cancelling the bash animation) to get a two-for-one heavy headshot if you're moving forward while you do it.

4) The Eviscerator combo attack
Even though the eviscerator's right click attack is a quick succession of small hits, it can also stumble the big guys. This comes in handy against scrakes epecially, as I find them hard to parry because their attack timing isn't telegraphed as clearly as the fleshpounds. A scrake will often die to just two eviscerator blade shots to the head, but the first one will send him into a rage, meaning the second blade will miss as often as not as he flails around. Instead, what I like to do is line up that first headshot and fire, then immediately charge in with the right click to buzzsaw him, staggering him out of his rage, and then when he recovers, fire another blade as the denouement right into him at point blank range, then start backing up. If he survives that, one more blade will usually finish him off, and you've just killed a scrake while taking no damage.

Boss Strategies:

In all boss fights, you want to be the one holding the boss' attention because you can take hits and regen better than any of your comrades. But that doesn't always mean staying in melee range. Here's some specifics:

Hans Volter:
His melee attacks CANNOT BE PARRIED, and the metal on his body makes buzzsawing/slashing attacks less effective than normal. The blade shots will be your primary damage here, but if he turns away from you and you've used up all the blades in your magazine, it may be better to buzzsaw him anyway just to get his attention back on you instead of letting him focus your friend while you reload. Soon as he turns back to you, then you can reload. Try not to stand in the grenades when he starts throwing them - the gas grenades aren't much to worry about if you have Resistance, but the explosive ones can end you quick.

The Patriarch:
Sorry, you're a ranged class now. Eviscerator blades only, preferably from behind cover. The patriarch deals too much damage for you to try to facetank him, or even be caught out in the open - his minigun will shred you bad, and his rockets can end you instantly. Keep running around corners every time he stops to fire, then shoot him in the head with your sawblades. If you run out of blades, go find more instead of switching to melee.

King Fleshpound:
It's your time to shine. KFP telegraphs all his attacks like western union, so parrying him is a breeze. Keep shooting him in the glowing chest module and walking backwards to kite him. When he goes into a rage, get him to attack you and then parry the hit, then go back to shooting him in the chest. If he fires his laser, stop moving and hit C to crouch - the laser will go right over your head, doing nothing. It's easy as hell to keep him focused on you like this, which gives your friends free reign to either shoot him from the back, or deal with the quarterpounds he summons. If you run out of blades, keep doing the same with the buzzsaw melee attack. If you run out of gas, go ahead and switch to your RR/Katana and keep his attention. Keep parrying those enraged attacks and ducking the lasers, and you'll be fine.

The Abomination:
Not as bad as the patriarch, but still pretty dangerous. You're gonna have to keep out of melee range because you don't want to get sucked in and eaten. His poison bombs are enough to even worry a resistance berserker, so try not to take too much of that, but often you can save a teammate by throwing yourself in front of a charging snotling so it detonates on you instead of them - you can soak the hit and keep fighting - it will incapacitate a non-berskerer with blindness and hurt them grievously. Get as many headshots on him as you can with your eviscerator's sawblades, and his head armor should melt really fast. Keep hitting him where his armor is not, and he'll go down pretty fast.
 
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