Internet, we hardly knew ye.
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I don't know, thousands of websites sounds like a better news item then just wikipedia and a few black bars on google...
Wonder how long it's going to take them to realize the Republicans won't do it for them ether? Especially since their party is in the middle of an identity crisis.
It's not like Hollywood can pack up and move, unless they fancy doing everything over in New Zealand. They need to accept that they need to change business models if they want to stay relevant.
It's not like Hollywood can pack up and move, unless they fancy doing everything over in New Zealand. They need to accept that they need to change business models if they want to stay relevant.
Funny you should say that... considering that the reason why they're on the east coast is because that's the farthest they could go from Edison and his pesky patent on video cameras...
But hey, it's only theft when it's your cash cow...
It honestly doesn't matter anyway... the Studio heads might not be paying, but the actors and unions will. Hollywood is Left Wing on a fundamental level and this isn't going to change that. It's going to hurt Obama, but I don't see the studio heads supporting the Republican candidate when it's the Right Wing that wants to censor their content and break up their unions.
Say what you will about the Studio heads, but SAG and the trade unions aren't going to back a Republican on a national level. They depend on the Left Wing for their survival.
Say what you will about the Studio heads, but SAG and the trade unions aren't going to back a Republican on a national level. They depend on the Left Wing for their survival.
Yes, but the doctor didn't intend to kill MJ. You downloaded the song knowingly and deprived him of his living and, as all true artists know, this death by copyright violation is a far more painful and malicious death than overdosing on anesthetics.
First degree copyright violation obviously trumps involuntary manslaughter.
Heh:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16628143
He argued that while Wikipedia was a valued resource, it would be more noticeable to the world if rights holders were to switch off their content for a day.
"Think what you would lose.
"If you walked around the streets of America or Britain with no creative content available to you, because rights holders had decided to shut up shop, you would be deprived of the BBC, cinemas, radio, bookstores and so on.
My answer: Who cares, we'd just go on the internet to watch funny pictures of cats... that's what we're doing anyway, which is why you're so scared in the 1st place.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16628143
He argued that while Wikipedia was a valued resource, it would be more noticeable to the world if rights holders were to switch off their content for a day.
"Think what you would lose.
"If you walked around the streets of America or Britain with no creative content available to you, because rights holders had decided to shut up shop, you would be deprived of the BBC, cinemas, radio, bookstores and so on.
My answer: Who cares, we'd just go on the internet to watch funny pictures of cats... that's what we're doing anyway, which is why you're so scared in the 1st place.
Well if you want to go with what matters then i for one would go with teh fact that all these moguls are complaining about the fact that Obama didn't do what they paid him money for...
What boggles my mind is how these people can't seem to understand the far-reaching consequences of these bills. The argument always falls to "protecting jobs" but this will hurt more jobs then it protects. What are some of the industries with the most growth? Google, Facebook, etc... Smart tech and web-based companies are on the rise and only growing stronger, providing more and more jobs.
What is going to happen if SOPA passes? Best case scenario Google has to shut down most of it's creative websites because it has no possible way to police them, removing countless jobs in development towards things like youtube, google video, google images, maybe even things like google documents, considering how far reaching the bill applies enabling of piracy (I could copy a book and post it on google documents, making it open to read). Worst case scenario, Google decides the best way to avoid the legal issues at all is to move overseas to another country, one that does not carry such laws, thus removing all those jobs from Americans entirely.
What will this do for those media jobs they are attempting to protect? Nothing, because pirating will still be nearly everywhere else in the world, and will only be mildly inconvenient of pirates in the US. Removing the DNS or search ability will not stop pirates from finding websites through direct server connections, it will not stop people from utilizing random proxy services to download those files through the undernet. Best case scenario, they may gain a few more sales each release from those kiddies that don't understand the technical side of things, but the more LIKELY outcome is that those kiddies will just stop playing said games entirely. They were not planning to buy them in the first place, thus why they pirated it, so they are not likely to pay for it anyways.
I am starting to lean more on the alternate idea of what the bill is about. It's less about the ability to pirate, and more about controlling the content we consume by controlling the websites that provide it. Like one of the videos above, they want to get back to an age when they didn't have the competition of something like the Internet, they want us to watch that television show they approve, that gives them money, rather then that guy on youtube who does funny Star Wars spoofs and gives them nothing. It's a war for our time and attention.
I have not been so angry and scared about my government since the Patriot Act, and this one even hits a little closer to home as I am a child of the web and technology. It will destroy some of my hobbies too. I am doing my best to spread this around locally, but the more and more I bring it to peoples attention, the more and more I realize how shallow and stupid people can be about politics. Too many people have taken what we have for granted and don't realize what will happen if we give the media companies the inch they want.
What is going to happen if SOPA passes? Best case scenario Google has to shut down most of it's creative websites because it has no possible way to police them, removing countless jobs in development towards things like youtube, google video, google images, maybe even things like google documents, considering how far reaching the bill applies enabling of piracy (I could copy a book and post it on google documents, making it open to read). Worst case scenario, Google decides the best way to avoid the legal issues at all is to move overseas to another country, one that does not carry such laws, thus removing all those jobs from Americans entirely.
What will this do for those media jobs they are attempting to protect? Nothing, because pirating will still be nearly everywhere else in the world, and will only be mildly inconvenient of pirates in the US. Removing the DNS or search ability will not stop pirates from finding websites through direct server connections, it will not stop people from utilizing random proxy services to download those files through the undernet. Best case scenario, they may gain a few more sales each release from those kiddies that don't understand the technical side of things, but the more LIKELY outcome is that those kiddies will just stop playing said games entirely. They were not planning to buy them in the first place, thus why they pirated it, so they are not likely to pay for it anyways.
I am starting to lean more on the alternate idea of what the bill is about. It's less about the ability to pirate, and more about controlling the content we consume by controlling the websites that provide it. Like one of the videos above, they want to get back to an age when they didn't have the competition of something like the Internet, they want us to watch that television show they approve, that gives them money, rather then that guy on youtube who does funny Star Wars spoofs and gives them nothing. It's a war for our time and attention.
I have not been so angry and scared about my government since the Patriot Act, and this one even hits a little closer to home as I am a child of the web and technology. It will destroy some of my hobbies too. I am doing my best to spread this around locally, but the more and more I bring it to peoples attention, the more and more I realize how shallow and stupid people can be about politics. Too many people have taken what we have for granted and don't realize what will happen if we give the media companies the inch they want.
Google is simply used as an example of a company that, like I said, worst case scenerio, leaves and loses Americans hundreds of jobs. I thought I was clear that such was a worst case scenario and not a for certain outcome
My heart bleeds for all internet companies and artists, Google is just the best example of a company that also provides thousands of jobs in the tech sector and I wouldn't want them to leave. Let's not split hairs, please.
My heart bleeds for all internet companies and artists, Google is just the best example of a company that also provides thousands of jobs in the tech sector and I wouldn't want them to leave. Let's not split hairs, please.
Wow, that's a horrendously stupid argument. Like others wouldn't take their place? Like we haven't seen people who are not accepted by the entrenched system break out using the internet itself?
Maybe it is time to get their asses out of the last century.
Megaupload, one of the biggest sites for uploading and filesharing, has been killed by Federal prosecutors.
Wondered what took so long.
On the plus side this can be good for the fight against SOPA and PIPA. MegaUpload is pretty much the textbook example site of the reasony why we supposedly need these bills. Because if we don't get SOPA and PIPA passed how will we ever be able to stop these blatant pirate sites being hosted overseas.
On the plus side this can be good for the fight against SOPA and PIPA. MegaUpload is pretty much the textbook example site of the reasony why we supposedly need these bills. Because if we don't get SOPA and PIPA passed how will we ever be able to stop these blatant pirate sites being hosted overseas.
Megaupload was a great website for legitimate uploads, and was used by many for more then uploading pirated content. I used it myself to download modification files and other items that were made by people, no different then hundreds of other sites like Mediafire, fileshare, etc... Shutting them down is not a way to stop piracy, but it has just deleted countless amounts of legitimate files too. I hope no one used it as an online backup similar to Dropbox.
What's next? Should I worry about my own content on Mediafire?
What's next? Should I worry about my own content on Mediafire?
In a word: YES.
So I guess we shall never be able to utilize another upload service again? Rapidshare, Dropbox, Fileserve, Depositfiles, all going to be taken down. Won't stop there though, might as well stop the revolutionary "Cloud" services, to much room for people to send all that music they have on the server and download it onto another computer somewhere illegally.
Megaupload was not The Pirate Bay, having them get shut down was not the path to stop piracy, and will only hurt those use these services for distribution of legitimate content, myself included.
No, see, the fact that it took this long is what SOPA is about....
Under it they'd just shut it down and the site owners would have to prove they didn't do anything wrong, instead of the cops having to prove they did...
One point I will make is that if it was legally found that Megaupload was promoting the infringement of copyright (and I would love to see those records) I would be all for this occurring, as long as it does not bleed over to other legitimate file sharing services. My biggest issue nagging at the back of my head, is the fact this was brought on by Universal, who just recently had their ego bruised by Megaupload and Google, and so I having a feeling that shenanigans were pulled.
For who? This is not going to change the strategies of places like The Pirate Bay or Isohunt. At most it will make places like Medafire a bit more hot on the delete button when someone puts in a claim, but I worry some of these companies might just not put in claims anymore, they will just start throwing the lawyers because they know "Hey, it actually works!"
I guess those services need to find a way to prevent their sites from being used for piracy?
GasBandit
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I don't believe for a second they didn't pull that $500 million figure out of their ass.
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Isn't that kind of like a kitchen knife manufacturer being expected to find a way to prevent their knives from being used for murder?
figmentPez
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I don't see how that's a reasonably possible goal. Now it may be possible that MegaUpload was not doing enough to reduce piracy, but there's no possible way to prevent a site with such broad application from being used for piracy at all. Expecting any sort of internet service that transmits data to stop all piracy is ludicrous and should not be expected of ISPs, file hosting sites, message boards or any other service. Reasonable cooperation with legal authorities and copyright holders when there is known piracy should be expected, but not some magic ability to stop all piracy.
Phone companies are not responsible if their users conduct illegal activities using their services.
We already have law, primarily the DMCA, which grants ISPs a waiver of liability for copyright infringement conducted by third parties on their networks.
Why is it that phone companies are permitted to make money from people who conduct illegal activities using their services without liability, but you suggest that internet companies should be held liable for actions of third parties?
They do (or at least try), if you utilize any of the services you will notice many of them, including Megaupload, would delete files deemed in violation of copyright when the specific file was brought to their attention by the copyright owner. The thing was, much for the same reasons Google says they would have to shut down Youtube if SOPA and PIPA were passed into law, most of them can't monitor every file, and most users are not exactly going to report that someone has a copy of "PhtoSPcs3" somewhere in a service with possibly millions of files or more.
Yes, the copyright holder can't be expected to do that either. Really, outside of something even more draconian then SOPA/PIPA, it will never be stopped. Whether you believe the companies that provide the services should do a harder job policing, or the copyright holders should work harder to adapting to changing systems and markets, is up to the individual. Personally, I lean on the latter.
That is exactly what this is about.
If a big company can cry "piracy!", even on a site that's doing no such thing, down goes that site for the duration of legal proceedings. MPAA and RIAA can tie anything up in courts for years with the money they have, enough to kill most sites with creative content. They don't like bands and artists releasing their music directly to the populace, they don't like people skipping publishers to make books, they don't like movies being produced by guys like Nostalgia Critic, on their own without guild fees, producer oversight, et cetera.
They can't stop it, of course--in the long run, they'll either evolve or die. But in the meantime, they can cling to the past and put up roadblocks like SOPA and PIPA to delay the inevitable, and destroy the up and coming by doing so.
Wow, I walked into a shit storm I guess. I'm just spitballing ideas, guys. I think illegal piracy does need to be stemmed somehow, but I'll be honest that I don't know how that can be accomplished.
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Yes. Yes yes yes.
GasBandit
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Really, in an age where everything has pretty much evolved to the level of basically manipulating the intangible, I don't think I see how that can be done effectively either, without infringing on legitimate practice. But there are certainly ways to cause a reduction in the rate that things get pirated: you update your business model to embrace the new techology and methods.
TV shows for instance - I've stopped torrenting south park. Why? Because southparkstudios.com streams (almost) every episode on demand. I don't much care for the ads - I wish there was some kind of micropayments-made-easy solution that would eliminate the need for advertising. Maybe made secure with some sort of hardware USB dongle. I dunno, I'm just spitballing now too.
The problem is pirating isn't going to go away. Someone (or a group of someones) will always figure a way around it. They found ways around copy protection on old disc-based video games. Music downloading didn't go away when Napster was taken down. And it won't go away when PirateBay is inevitably taken down.
It's sort of like when the Xbox 360 was first announced. I don't have the source, but I remember someone at Microsoft saying that the system was unhackable. From hearing that alone, I could hear the sounds of thousands of hackers rubbing their hands together in anticipation to prove him wrong.
It's sort of like when the Xbox 360 was first announced. I don't have the source, but I remember someone at Microsoft saying that the system was unhackable. From hearing that alone, I could hear the sounds of thousands of hackers rubbing their hands together in anticipation to prove him wrong.
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