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Man beats and kills 2 year old for spilling his milk

Mar 17, 2010#1

Hylian

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/03/manuel_garcia_beats_jovani_mar.php

Jovani Martinez, as 2-year-olds are wont to do, was fooling around with his milk bottle, causing it to spill. This didn't sit well with Manuel Garcia, the boyfriend of the toddler's mother, Lawanda Martinez. So he decided to forcefully make his displeasure known...

He threw the toddler onto a mattress, but Jovani got back up. So Garcia began to pummel him, punching him in the kidneys, stomach and chest.

Mother Lawanda Martinez would later take the boy to visit his grandma, Wanda Williams, in Racine, Wisconsin that day. Grandma noticed that Jovani was barely conscious, kept falling, couldn't stand up on his own and was shaking. She urged Martinez to take Jovani to the the hospital.

But mom said he always acted this way and took him home. She gave him Tylenol that evening. But by 11:30, she noticed that his body had gone cold and his lips blue.

By the time they arrived at the hospital, Jovani's kidney's were failing. He wouldn't survive. A pathologist discovered that his intestines were perforated, his liver and pancreas were lacerated, and he had broken ribs. This wasn't something that could be caused by accident.

Garcia, 40, has now been charged with reckless homicide. Martinez, 23, is charged with neglect of a child causing death.

This is just depressing and sick

(oh and in before any jokes about crying over spilled milk)

Mar 17, 2010#2

Null

Why do people post these things? We all agree this is sick and sad and wrong. There's nothing about it to discuss.

Mar 17, 2010#3

Troll

Lying Bastard said:
Why do people post these things? We all agree this is sick and sad and wrong. There's nothing about it to discuss.

Usually this evolves into a discussion about what would be an appropriate punishment for the accused in the story. If it does go that route, here's hoping it'll remain civil.

Mar 17, 2010#4

Null

Lock.

Mar 17, 2010#5

Cajungal

No reason to lock it yet, although these threads are getting depressing. :\

Mar 17, 2010#6

Troll

Lying Bastard said:
Lock.

Why?

Mar 17, 2010#7

phil

I don't get how the mom didn't notice that the child was acting strange but the grandmother did.

I suppose I just have to frame of reference though for how a 2 year old acts. Are they big enough to walk around? Could the child have expressed in some way what happened?

Mar 17, 2010#8

Wasabi Poptart

A two year old can walk around, but may not have the capacity to explain what has happened or how he feels physically or emotionally. When my son was that young and he was feeling sick, he would throw a temper tantrum of epic proportions and tell me how he didn't love me anymore while he was screaming and crying. Next thing I knew he'd have a fever and usually come down with croup that night.

Do I believe the mom didn't see something was wrong with her child? Hell no. She knew.

Mar 17, 2010#9

Green_Lantern

Wildsoul said:
Do I believe the mom didn't see something was wrong with her child? Hell no. She knew.

Too me, it seems pretty obvious that the mother was trying to cover up for her boyfriend.

and since Troll mentioned: Fire, and lots of it.

Mar 17, 2010#10

Hailey Knight

Wildsoul said:
Do I believe the mom didn't see something was wrong with her child? Hell no. She knew.

Agreed.

Mar 17, 2010#11

Andromache

Can we please bring back public capital and corporate punishment now?

Mar 17, 2010#12

fade

Wow. That's really sad.

Mar 17, 2010#13

Shegokigo

Crone said:
Can we please bring back public capital and corporate punishment now?

No, Charlie won't allow it. It's Charlie's world, this guy will spend his days in prison.

Mar 17, 2010#14

makare

Aw that is so sad. We need a forum just called Really Depressing Shit so I can just stay out of it.

Mar 17, 2010#15

Green_Lantern

makare1 said:
Aw that is so sad. We need a forum just called Really Depressing Shit so I can just stay out of it.

My exact thoughs.

Mar 17, 2010#16

Jay

Sad.

And why is a 23 year old going out with a 40 year old man?

Mar 18, 2010#17

Troll

SeriousJay said:
Sad.

And why is a 23 year old going out with a 40 year old man?

It happens. It can be a perfectly healthy relationship.

Mar 18, 2010#18

Kitty Sinatra

Yeah. Just ask Iaculus.

Mar 18, 2010#19

Shegokigo

A Troll;356061][QUOTE=SeriousJay said:
Sad.

And why is a 23 year old going out with a 40 year old man?

It happens. It can be a perfectly healthy relationship.[/QUOTE]

http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/

Mar 18, 2010#20

Troll

Shegokigo;356069][QUOTE=A Troll;356061][QUOTE=SeriousJay said:
Sad.

And why is a 23 year old going out with a 40 year old man?

It happens. It can be a perfectly healthy relationship.[/QUOTE]

http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/[/QUOTE]

I was thinking of 2 friends of mine (she's 27 and he's 44), but I guess that works too.

Mar 18, 2010#21

Iaculus

Gruebeard said:
Yeah. Just ask Iaculus.

Weirdly enough, this is actually accurate this time. My dad's several years older than my mum, and they've got one of the most stable, loving relationships I've encountered.

They didn't meet when my mum was fourteen, though. Just so's I make that clear.

Re: punishment, I don't see what the problem with life imprisonment is here. It's cheaper than the death penalty, and... well, dude's a childkiller. It's not like he's going to have a fun time of it there.

Mar 19, 2010#22

@Li3n

Shegokigo;355925][QUOTE=Crone said:
Can we please bring back public capital and corporate punishment now?

No, Charlie won't allow it. It's Charlie's world, this guy will spend his days in prison.[/QUOTE]

LEAVE CORPORATIONS ALONE........ they're humans being too, don't you know.

A two year old can walk around, but may not have the capacity to explain what has happened or how he feels physically or emotionally.

Also, bleeding internally from half your organs impairs most peoples capacities anyhow...

Mar 19, 2010#23

Chazwozel

Gruebeard said:
Yeah. Just ask Iaculus.

Uh, a 40 year old dating a 23 year is not pedophilia.

Mar 19, 2010#24

Iaculus

Chazwozel;356798][QUOTE=Gruebeard said:
Yeah. Just ask Iaculus.

Uh, a 40 year old dating a 23 year is not pedophilia.[/QUOTE]

Which is why you should ask me rather than Icarus.:toocool:

Mar 19, 2010#25

sixpackshaker

He only needs a little counseling.

Mar 19, 2010#26

Chazwozel

Iaculus;356804][QUOTE=Chazwozel;356798][QUOTE=Gruebeard said:
Yeah. Just ask Iaculus.

Uh, a 40 year old dating a 23 year is not pedophilia.[/QUOTE]

Which is why you should ask me rather than Icarus.:toocool:[/QUOTE]

Oh snap!

Mar 19, 2010#27

drawn_inward

Lying Bastard said:
Why do people post these things? We all agree this is sick and sad and wrong. There's nothing about it to discuss.

This.

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sixpackshaker said:
He only needs a little counseling.

He is just misunderstood.

Mar 19, 2010#28

Officer_Charon

Iaculus said:
Re: punishment, I don't see what the problem with life imprisonment is here. It's cheaper than the death penalty, and... well, dude's a childkiller. It's not like he's going to have a fun time of it there.

Only marginally, after you factor in the cost of appeals over a period of time. But yes, he would not do well in prison.

Mar 19, 2010#29

Calleja

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the death sentence costs MORE than 70+ years in prison. You guys should just kill these scumbags in a humane yet cheap and quick way... bullet to the head. That's it. No more million-dollar injections/red tape.

How's THAT for a liberal's view?

Mar 19, 2010#30

Officer_Charon

Speaking as an officer in a system that has had a cop-killer on death row for 20 years (Google Troy Davis, if you're curious), I have few problems with your liberal view, Calleja.

Mar 19, 2010#31

Dei

I dunno, he'd probably get beat up in prison a lot, so it might not be that bad.

Mar 19, 2010#32

Calleja

I'm the anti-church, pro-choice, pro-gay liberal who sees more and more sense in Eugenics, though, so I don't think I count much.

Mar 19, 2010#33

Troll

Calleja said:
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the death sentence costs MORE than 70+ years in prison. You guys should just kill these scumbags in a humane yet cheap and quick way... bullet to the head. That's it. No more million-dollar injections/red tape.

How's THAT for a liberal's view?

The act of executing a prisoner does not cost more. The lengthy round of automatic appeals, especially lawyer fees, cost more than a life sentence.

Mar 19, 2010#34

GasBandit

Well, that seems simple enough to fix.

Mar 19, 2010#35

Gusto

Mar 19, 2010#36

Troll

GasBandit said:
Well, that seems simple enough to fix.

If the government is going to execute someone, I would like them to spend as much time and money as they need to make damn sure they are killing the right person.

Mar 19, 2010#37

ThatGrinningIdiot!

A Troll;357019][QUOTE=GasBandit said:
Well, that seems simple enough to fix.

If the government is going to execute someone, I would like them to spend as much time and money as they need to make damn sure they are killing the right person.[/QUOTE]

I could not agree more.

Mar 19, 2010#38

WolfOfOdin

As much as I revile some of the people I had to meet when interning at DC, I'm in agreement with Troll and BC here. The Death Penalty is a final end to a sentence with no possibility of undoing it. We can't go 'oopsie' and realize we offed the wrong person and act bashful. That in and of itself is a disgusting miscarriage of justice.

And echoing some of the prison folk here, no he would not do well at all. Childkillers and child rapists are seen as the absolute scum of a prison hierarchy and tend to 'fall' and 'accidentally swallow glass' more than you'd think.

Mar 19, 2010#39

ThatGrinningIdiot!

WolfOfOdin said:
As much as I revile some of the people I had to meet when interning at DC, I'm in agreement with Troll and BC here. The Death Penalty is a final end to a sentence with no possibility of undoing it. We can't go 'oopsie' and realize we offed the wrong person and act bashful. That in and of itself is a disgusting miscarriage of justice.

And echoing some of the prison folk here, no he would not do well at all. Childkillers and child rapists are seen as the absolute scum of a prison hierarchy and tend to 'fall' and 'accidentally swallow glass' more than you'd think.

I asked a few convicts why they loathe childkillers and child rapists, their answer? "I was a kid once", I lol'ed.

Mar 19, 2010#40

sixpackshaker

Many violent offenders were "perpetrated" as children. They can't take revenge on those that made them the way they are. So they take it out on the people that hurt them.

Mar 19, 2010#41

Andromache

A Troll;357019][QUOTE=GasBandit said:
Well, that seems simple enough to fix.

If the government is going to execute someone, I would like them to spend as much time and money as they need to make damn sure they are killing the right person.[/QUOTE]

Kill everyone, and let their gods sort it out in hell.

Mar 19, 2010#42

GasBandit

A Troll;357019][QUOTE=GasBandit said:
Well, that seems simple enough to fix.

If the government is going to execute someone, I would like them to spend as much time and money as they need to make damn sure they are killing the right person.[/QUOTE]

To me, that doesn't mean keeping someone on death row for the rest of their natural life. There needs to be a cutoff. At this point, even ten years would be an improvement.

Mar 19, 2010#43

Calleja

eff that, 2 years should be more than enough for appeals and counter-appeals

Mar 19, 2010#44

Andromache

it points out an ugly issue. the legal code of the US is frighteningly massive and tangled....

Mar 19, 2010#45

crono1224

Calleja said:
eff that, 2 years should be more than enough for appeals and counter-appeals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

I am sure there are plenty of people who sat on death row for more than 2 years and still were wrongfully executed. While it is ridiculously costly to keep these appeals going, I am sure the toll on people to kill an innocent man is greater than the financial toll created by waiting.

Mar 20, 2010#46

Kitty Sinatra

I'm surprised that Gas trusts the authorities enough to give them the power to kill him.

Mar 20, 2010#47

Chazwozel

Execution or no, I like to always believe there's a special place in hell for pedophiles, rapists, and child murderers. I don't know how God works (if he works) but I really can't grasp how those three things are warrant of repentance in the least bit.

Mar 20, 2010#48

Philosopher B.

Calleja said:
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the death sentence costs MORE than 70+ years in prison. You guys should just kill these scumbags in a humane yet cheap and quick way... bullet to the head. That's it. No more million-dollar injections/red tape.

How's THAT for a liberal's view?

Bullet in the brain pan. Squish.

Mar 21, 2010#49

LordRendar

What we do in the Philippines is,when a Childrapist or Killer is found guilty,he gets the deathpenalty,fast and swift. if he gets off on some technicality but its 100% sure he did it, a few minutes after he leaves the courtbuilding the family of the child will gun him down in a drive-by while the police is looking the other way.

Mar 21, 2010#50

fade

That always seems to happen on Law & Order. If the killer gets off, and there's a minute left, he either commits suicide or gets gunned down on the courthouse steps.

Mar 21, 2010#51

Kitty Sinatra

That's because there's only been one episode of Law and Order made ever. They just keep repeating it ad nausea.

Mar 21, 2010#52

Calleja

you mean ad nauseam... stop mixing latin.

Mar 21, 2010#53

Kitty Sinatra

I meant ad nausea. the commercial I was watching at the time of that post was making me sick. Yeah, that's my story.

(but seriously, it was an intentional wrong word)

Mar 21, 2010#54

Calleja

"nauseam" is still the latin for Nausea so your argument fails, dude.

Mar 21, 2010#55

Kitty Sinatra

my argument was in 6th grade with Jethro Bodine

Mar 21, 2010#56

Andromache

Gruebeard said:
I meant ad nausea. the commercial I was watching at the time of that post was making me sick. Yeah, that's my story.

(but seriously, it was an intentional wrong word)

He's intentionally missing it. again, because he's smarter than us.

Mar 21, 2010#57

Calleja

nah, I'm just the worst kind of grammar/spelling nazi. It's annoying, I know, but I can't help it. Don't take it personally.

Mar 21, 2010#58

Kitty Sinatra

Calleja said:
"nauseam" is still the latin for Nausea so your argument fails, dude.

Oh shit. Crone just made me realize what my response to this should've been: Unless ad is the latin for advertisement, your argument fails.

Mar 21, 2010#59

Andromache

Calleja said:
nah, I'm just the worst kind of grammar/spelling nazi. It's annoying, I know, but I can't help it. Don't take it personally.

this is why your puns are horrible. You beat the shit out any subtlety therein (see my limp point post), and coming from me that's effort. And why, in general, on the subject of language, you excel at being annoying. It's ok, we all have flaws, Fade likes all the wrong things in the world, Chuck likes Tnights, I have mosquito-sized a- cups, and get judged as an idiot before I open my mouth because of being a wimmins, and the universe designed you as the pun destroyer. Don't take this as sarcastic criticism. see it as a business opportunity: I think you should market it it. Sell your services to parents with kids who have dreams of becoming comedians. You can crush them into being the accountants the system needs them to be, and get paid.

Mar 21, 2010#60

Calleja

The Pun Destroyer.

I like it!!

Mar 21, 2010#61

Kitty Sinatra

The only question that remains is can we get Tom Jane to play him in the movie.

Mar 21, 2010#62

Calleja

Hell no, it'd obviously have to be Bruce Willis.

Mar 21, 2010#63

fade

I like you, Crone. What does that mean?

Mar 21, 2010#64

Calleja

That you're a hopeless masochist?

Mar 21, 2010#65

Kitty Sinatra

Calleja said:
Hell no, it'd obviously have to be Bruce Willis.

I've got Dolph Lundgren on the phone. He's willing to pay us to do it. Should I just hang up on him?

Mar 21, 2010#66

Calleja

Yes. Hell yes. Hang up and block his number.

Mar 21, 2010#67

Kitty Sinatra

*hangs up*

Mar 21, 2010#68

Calleja

Get Jeannie to call Zemeckis, see if he's free to direct.

Mar 21, 2010#69

Andromache

fade said:
I like you, Crone. What does that mean?

That I'm not a thing, and that I expected you to say that.

Mar 21, 2010#70

Kitty Sinatra

Talkin' to Bobby right now. He's interested, but only if we call it "Back to the Pun"

Yeah, he may be a pun destroyer, too.

Mar 21, 2010#71

Calleja

Back to the Pun!?

Ugh... tell him that it MIGHT be a subtitle.. as in "The Pun Destroyer: Back to the Pun", and then maybe we can talk.

Mar 21, 2010#72

fade

Crone;358207][QUOTE=fade said:
I like you, Crone. What does that mean?

That I'm not a thing, and that I expected you to say that.[/QUOTE]

Yes, because, the "thing" pronoun isn't used to refer collectively to people and things by, well, everyone.

Like I said to GasBandit before, expecting an obvious response is just part of it being an obvious response.

Mar 21, 2010#73

Calleja

I think you don't need that comma after "because" fadesy.

(sorry, I'm just really enjoying my annoyingness liberation today)

Mar 21, 2010#74

fade

That's what's called a "typo".

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