[Movies] MCU: Phase 3 And Beyond

jwhouk

jwhouk

That spoiler is about... oh, eighty years or so behind the times.

In other news:
Rhett utters a curse word.
 
evilmike

evilmike

Marvel appears to be extremely confident Civil War is going to do well with the critics. The review embargo ends in about an hour -- 27 days before the release of the film. As a comparison, BvS didn't lift its embargo until 2 days before the film premiered. (ScreenRant) Another positive sign is that the movie will have a showing at CinemaCon (formerly Showest), the trade show for cinema owners. (ScreenRant)
 
Frank

Frank

Yeah, all the first impressions flooding out now are incredibly positive.

I trust those Russo boys.

Black Panther and Spider-Man apparently own the film.



Apparently the weakest part is, once again for Marvel, a weak villain.

Devin Faraci came buckets praising it but left it off with the best thing:

 
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IronBrig4

IronBrig4

I'm not sure how there can be a weak villain, or any villain at all, in Civil War. Both sides want to protect the world but have different ideas on how to do it.
 
bhamv3

bhamv3

IronBrig4 said:
I'm not sure how there can be a weak villain, or any villain at all, in Civil War. Both sides want to protect the world but have different ideas on how to do it.
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Baron Zemo, perhaps.

Plus, we know the two sides are fighting, but we don't know the details of how it starts. It's easy to picture someone like Baron Zemo deliberately inciting the event that would lead to the Sokovia Accords, and the fracturing of the Avengers.
 
Covar

Covar

IronBrig4 said:
I'm not sure how there can be a weak villain, or any villain at all, in Civil War. Both sides want to protect the world but have different ideas on how to do it.
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If it's anything like the comics Robert Downey Jr is suddenly having to act completely out of character and turned into a Hitler analog just to make sure people side with Cap.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Covar said:
If it's anything like the comics Robert Downey Jr is suddenly having to act completely out of character and turned into a Hitler analog just to make sure people side with Cap.
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I have a feeling these people are better writers than Millar, and would not be so stupid to write Tony that way.

...I hope, anwyay.
 
Null

Null

http://comicbook.com/2016/04/09/first-captain-america-civil-war-reactions-from-critics/

When one of your harshest criticisms is "It's not quite as tight as Winter Soldier", that's a pretty good set of reviews.

And no, the motives of the characters are very different than in the comics. The directors themselves have said that people will be arguing over who was right after seeing the movie, because both Iron Man and Captain America have good, justified reasons for choosing their positions. Tony Stark has seen the actual and potential destruction that people like them can cause when unfettered - his choice to make ULTRON nearly killed off the world. So he recognizes that people with superpowers acting without supervision can be like a giving a chimpanzee a chainsaw. Steve Rogers, however, feels that a hero's best guide is their own conscience, and having seen how HYDRA infiltrated SHIELD, he doesn't trust some organization to hold the reins. He recognizes that any organization with that kind of power at their disposal is too liable to misuse it. Both of them have completely reasonable viewpoints and they're both right.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

Anonymous said:
That's how arguments get started.
Also, that's how good movies get made.

--Patrick
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Why does the Anonymous checkbox have to be so close to the Post Reply button?
Especially since clicking anywhere on the word "Anonymous?" (including the question mark which is mere millimeters away from the post button) will activate the checkbox?
(I believe this is the first time I've ever actually clicked it, and it was in error)

--Patrick
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

@Li3n said:
Except, you know, making Ultron never required him to be a superhero, and it would be more of a reason to register scientists.
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It really is. And it's not like Tony is the only mad scientist out there with the ability to make ultra powerful/deadly devices... the government knew about Hank Pym's suit for decades and trusted him to retire without stealing his suit. Ivan Vanko essentially made his first Whiplash suit in an apartment with a box of scraps and then made an even deadlier one with the help of another billionaire industrialist. Aldrich Killian turned his company's live saving technology into a weapon the moment he needed one. Hydra never had a problem finding scientists for it's needs. That's not even going into T'challa's Black Panther suit and whatever he's got going on in Wakanda.

I mean... outside of Loki, the army he brought with him, and the frost giants in Thor 2, when has the villain every been anything OTHER than a really smart guy or a friend of a really smart guy?
 
Sparhawk

Sparhawk

AshburnerX said:
It really is. And it's not like Tony is the only mad scientist out there with the ability to make ultra powerful/deadly devices... the government knew about Hank Pym's suit for decades and trusted him to retire without stealing his suit. Ivan Vanko essentially made his first Whiplash suit in an apartment with a box of scraps and then made an even deadlier one with the help of another billionaire industrialist. Aldrich Killian turned his company's live saving technology into a weapon the moment he needed one. Hydra never had a problem finding scientists for it's needs. That's not even going into T'challa's Black Panther suit and whatever he's got going on in Wakanda.

I mean... outside of Loki, the army he brought with him, and the frost giants in Thor 2, when has the villain every been anything OTHER than a really smart guy or a friend of a really smart guy?
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Frost Giants were in Thor 1, Elves in Thor 2. Seems like we need to register Thor, Loki and all the smart scientist guys.
 
figmentPez

figmentPez

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AshburnerX said:
I mean... outside of Loki, the army he brought with him, and the frost giants in Thor 2, when has the villain every been anything OTHER than a really smart guy or a friend of a really smart guy?
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Well, you could argue that the military is the enemy in the Hulk movies, but that also kind of falls into "friend of a really smart guy" category.

Agents of SHIELD has set up reason for a powers registration act, though. There are a lot of Inhumans out there now.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

figmentPez said:
Well, you could argue that the military is the enemy in the Hulk movies, but that also kind of falls into "friend of a really smart guy" category.

Agents of SHIELD has set up reason for a powers registration act, though. There are a lot of Inhumans out there now.
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But again, the Inhumans had basically policed themselves for thousands of years and it wasn't until Hydra figured out how they were activated that it became an issue. Still a smart guy issue.
 
figmentPez

figmentPez

Staff member
AshburnerX said:
But again, the Inhumans had basically policed themselves for thousands of years and it wasn't until Hydra figured out how they were activated that it became an issue. Still a smart guy issue.
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A smart guy started the problem, but now there are all sorts of people with powers, smart and not. No use locking the barn now that the horse is out.
 
bhamv3

bhamv3

I have to admit Dr. Strange is one of the MCU movies I'm less interested in seeing, because I'm relatively unfamiliar with the character. (Guardians of the Galaxy also fell into this category) However, the trailer still looked intriguing, with some nifty shots, so I'll probably watch it sooner or later.
 
CynicismKills

CynicismKills

I don't know as much as I'd like, save for his basic origin. He's an interesting character when he does show up, though, and it's a nice change of pace to have a real magic-user coming into the picture now.
 
tegid

tegid

Hey, that looks like it could be legitimately good. And in a different way to the rest of the MCU, which is great.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

GasBandit said:
Neat. Doctor Strange is one of the comic IPs I know next to nothing about, so this will be fun.
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Prior to 2006, Strange was IMO one of the most interesting characters in the Marvel Universe. His origin is almost Stark-like, except that instead of having a Stark-like "epiphany/change-of-heart" moment, Strange is forced to eat crushing humility prior to accepting his responsibility, after which he treats his position as a sort of legitimate duty he should fulfill.
Post-2006, someone decided his character was too "good," I guess, and while the duty remained, they kinda stomped all over the humility part.

--Patrick
 
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