[Movies] MCU: Phase 3 And Beyond

[Hailey Knight]

I think Evans has basically said he loves playing Cap and will do it as long as DisMarvel lets him.

Which is funny, because a year or two back he said he wanted to get out of making movies. I'm glad he changed his mind.

Also I can't click the Glover link, so I'm going to hope he plays Miles Morales and perhaps we dip into the Ultimate Spider-Man pool. He's in the main universe now, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched.

I'd be surprised to see them do two Spidey guys in one movie, especially Spider-man's first one in the MCU, but Miles would be welcome.

They haven't cast J Jonah Jameson yet, I'm guessing.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

They haven't cast J Jonah Jameson yet, I'm guessing.

Donald Glover is playing J3, a tech billionaire that purchased media empire 'Planet'. Instead of a cigar, he has an e-cig that lights up red when he gets angry about Spider-Man

 

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Bye Felicia (Hardy)

 

[Hailey Knight]

Donald Glover is playing J3, a tech billionaire that purchased media empire 'Planet'. Instead of a cigar, he has an e-cig that lights up red when he gets angry about Spider-Man

This sounds like the kind of shit they'd pull in the comics, I'll give you that.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Filming began for Spider-man: Homecoming yesterday. I feel like that's quick turnaround time considering it's out in about a year, but Marvel probably has to keep things pretty tight with all the contract arrangements and scheduling. And then I really don't know how long in advance you'd normally make a movie with lots of post-production.

 

[AshburnerX]

Filming began for Spider-man: Homecoming yesterday. I feel like that's quick turnaround time considering it's out in about a year, but Marvel probably has to keep things pretty tight with all the contract arrangements and scheduling. And then I really don't know how long in advance you'd normally make a movie with lots of post-production.

Yeah, but they also have Disney/Marvel helping out with the special effects too. They might be able to crank it out sooner rather than later. Besides, CGI production begins WAY before principle photography. They usually get the big action scenes done first, then make the director fit them into the film somehow.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Yeah, but they also have Disney/Marvel helping out with the special effects too. They might be able to crank it out sooner rather than later. Besides, CGI production begins WAY before principle photography. They usually get the big action scenes done first, then make the director fit them into the film somehow.

That doesn't sound accurate that they come up with action scenes and animate them, then make the director figure out the movie around them. That doesn't sound like any movie production behind-the-scenes aside from movies where they've filmed a bunch of monster scenes and then try to make a movie out of them, which is a lot more slap-dash than Disney's production standards.

 

[PatrThom]

That doesn't sound accurate that they come up with action scenes and animate them, then make the director figure out the movie around them. That doesn't sound like any movie production behind-the-scenes aside from movies where they've filmed a bunch of monster scenes and then try to make a movie out of them, which is a lot more slap-dash than Disney's production standards.

It is a tradition that goes waaaaay back. To at least the 50's and maybe even earlier.

--Patrick

 

[AshburnerX]

It is a tradition that goes waaaaay back. To at least the 50's and maybe even earlier.

--Patrick

Basically. Because of how long it takes to actually produce a quality, lengthy CGI action scene, it often goes into production THE MOMENT they have a script and a green light. In fact, it's not uncommon for a movie studio to have a fully animated fight scene that they end up dropping later because of a script rewrite.

 

[PatrThom]

In fact, it's not uncommon for a movie studio to have a fully animated fight scene that they end up dropping later because of a script rewrite.

Or butcher to death because Hollywood.

--Patrick

 

[Hailey Knight]

Basically. Because of how long it takes to actually produce a quality, lengthy CGI action scene, it often goes into production THE MOMENT they have a script and a green light. In fact, it's not uncommon for a movie studio to have a fully animated fight scene that they end up dropping later because of a script rewrite.

That makes more sense than the way it came across above.

 

[evilmike]

 

[evilmike]

 

[ThatNickGuy]

Huh. Webshooters over his costume rather than under. That's different. Not that I personally mind, but I could see some nitpicking fanboys going apeshit over that.

 

[Fun Size]

And I can hear toy makers not giving a damn.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

as the resident person-that-cares-the-most-about-Spidey-here, i don't care

 

[ScytheRexx]

We survived organic web shooters, even going to them on the outside of his suit feels like a good upgrade here.

 

[ThatNickGuy]

We survived organic web shooters, even going to them on the outside of his suit feels like a good upgrade here.

Yup. As I said, I don't mind. I actually kinda dig how the colours mix in with the costume's colour scheme.

 

[ScytheRexx]

I have a feeling the design change was to help accentuate the fact that Spider-Man is both a spider-mutant and a tech hero, even more so in the MU since Tony Stark helped him make his suit and new shooters. Remember how in the last reboot they had those scenes of Peter making his shooters and then we pretty much never saw or heard from them again? By having them on the outside, it makes them stand out, and thus accentuates the tech angle of his suit and abilities for the general audience.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

they had those scenes of Peter making his shooters and then we pretty much never saw or heard from them again?

it's a fairly important plot point that Electro shorts out/breaks his web shooters, i'm pretty sure it happens twice in different big action sequeunces

 

[ScytheRexx]

it's a fairly important plot point that Electro shorts out/breaks his web shooters, i'm pretty sure it happens twice in different big action sequeunces

To be fair, I sort of skipped the second one. I was not super impressed with the first one.

Though I think I do remember the Lizard breaking one or both of his shooters during the climax fight in the first movie, so yes I was being a bit facetious. I still think they are pushing the shooters even more in this movie though, as the connection to Tony Stark is box office gold.

 

[Hailey Knight]

I thought in the old days Spider-man wore the shooters on the outside. Or was it just the cannisters of webbing and I'd assumed the things on his wrists were web shooters?

 

[ThatNickGuy]

I thought in the old days Spider-man wore the shooters on the outside. Or was it just the cannisters of webbing and I'd assumed the things on his wrists were web shooters?

Weren't they always underneath, though? I remember seeing shots of him rolling up his sleeves.

 

[PatrThom]

We survived organic web shooters, even going to them on the outside of his suit feels like a good upgrade here.

We even survived them moving to the back of his forearms.

--Patrick

 

[Hailey Knight]

Weren't they always underneath, though? I remember seeing shots of him rolling up his sleeves.

You're right; I was confusing him for Scarlet Spider, who wore his web shooters on the outside.

Got me again, Clone Saga. Got me again.

 

[ThatNickGuy]

You're right; I was confusing him for Scarlet Spider, who wore his web shooters on the outside.

Got me again, Clone Saga. Got me again.

It's okay, man. The Clone Saga seriously affected many nerds.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

okay when are they going to do venom! i want to see a cool venom in a movie before I die. Is it racist for me to say i hope donald glover is playing Venom? or it probably has to be a baby like peter parker to go to high school with him...

 

[Hailey Knight]

okay when are they going to do venom! i want to see a cool venom in a movie before I die. Is it racist for me to say i hope donald glover is playing Venom? or it probably has to be a baby like peter parker to go to high school with him...

I don't think we'll be seeing Venom in this movie, but since the MCU is getting into the cosmic stuff, I could see the Guardians or Captain Marvel being a reason that such a thing as the symbiote comes to Earth.

Trouble is, Marvel is going to be very careful about not making mistakes of the past, meaning Spider-man 3. They're already dodging Uncle Ben, so I'm not sure if they're going to want to do symbiote suit and then Venom.

IF they do Venom, I'd want them to do him right. I liked Venom most as a character when in all other regards he's a hero, except that he hates and wants to murder Spider-man. In the comics, I thought it was interesting that Spider-man faked his own death, and that satisfied Brock and the suit enough that they went to live on a tropical island. They hated Peter Parker so much that his apparent death was all they needed to feel at peace, and could just spend the rest of their days chilling on a beach. They could've stayed that way if Carnage hadn't arisen, thus forcing Spidey (and the Human Torch) to go get Venom's help. But even then, he was willing to call a truce because Carnage was killing innocents and that made Venom upset.

That was the Venom arc I liked; hate Spidey, think killed Spidey, coming back to fix Carnage problem, truce. All that stuff was cool and made Venom a more interesting character than just some slobbering monster.

 

[Covar]

I hate Venom because his reasoning is nothing but justification for his bullshit. He's a hero in all regards except for Spider-man, who he'll try and murder, and endanger/be willing to harm a school bus full of kids to get Spider-man out in the open. Not to mention he has zero legitimate reason to hate Peter in the first place. Brock being a shitty person taking unethical shortcuts to get ahead is what caused his life to go down the drain.

 

[Sparhawk]

I hate Venom because his reasoning is nothing but justification for his bullshit. He's a hero in all regards except for Spider-man, who he'll try and murder, and endanger/be willing to harm a school bus full of kids to get Spider-man out in the open. Not to mention he has zero legitimate reason to hate Peter in the first place. Brock being a shitty person taking unethical shortcuts to get ahead is what caused his life to go down the drain.

Don't forget that the symbiote hated Peter for the "rejection" that Peter had for what the symbiote was using him for. Well established that the symbiote amplified emotions and Brock's little snit became a full on psychosis because of that.

 

[Celt Z]

To me, Venom always comes off as an MRA poster child; nothing is his fault and everyone is always taking away the things he "deserves"...nay, entitled to. He was always so one-note I gave up on him by the early 2000's. Spider-Man's best rogues were the ones that effected both his superhero life but also his personal life, like Dr. Connors as his mentor or Green Goblin being his best friend's dad (or best friend). Aside from Venom's hard-on for killing him, why would give a crap about Brock otherwise? Venom is that angry internet dude who doxxes your life because you beat him at Overwatch. I wouldn't be surprised if he attacked Peter Parker while screaming, "IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN JOURNALISM!" (which, given his origin, works on so many levels).

 

[Hailey Knight]

To me, Venom always comes off as an MRA poster child; nothing is his fault and everyone is always taking away the things he "deserves"...nay, entitled to. He was always so one-note I gave up on him by the early 2000's. Spider-Man's best rogues were the ones that effected both his superhero life but also his personal life, like Dr. Connor's as his mentor or Green Goblin being his best friend's dad (or best friend). Aside from Venom's hard-on for killing him, why would give a crap about Brock otherwise? Venom is that angry internet dude who doxxes your life because you beat him at Overwatch. I wouldn't be surprised if he attacked Peter Parker while screaming, "IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN JOURNALISM!" (which, given his origin, works on so many levels).

I just found it interesting that there was a character who just hated Spider-man. He had no other goals but the death of Spider-man.

Brock, I agree with you. In the 90s cartoon, they kind of made him into a bully, so that was pretty one-note. I used to feel bad for the symbiote itself because I feel like it genuinely wanted to help Spider-man be better the only way it understood as an alien parasite (that has now been retconned to be a holy order of space knights ). But I don't knock anyone who hates Venom, either. I can relate--I think Carnage is the worst thing ever, even if I do like the initial six-part story that introduced him.

But Spidey does have stronger villains and I don't think there's a Venom story that's iconic like Green Goblin killing Gwen Stacy or Doc Ock taking over Spider-man. Even C-lister Kraven managed to get in Kraven's Last Hunt. Then again, some memorable Spidey stuff is memorable because of how bad it was (Clone Saga, One More Day).

 

[Covar]

I think the first Venom story is incredibly iconic, and really the only reason he keeps sticking around (ala Doomsday). The problem is his story and a beginning, middle, and end. After its done there's nothing left to tell with the character, and you get increasingly diminishing returns because all you can do is rehash the original story which makes less sense each time we see it.

 

[CynicismKills]

Once Brock lost Venom (over a decade ago?) I think most of the WE NEED PARKER stories died down, even though Gargan/Scorpion had it for quite awhile. On some occasions the symbiote goes all nutty and wants some of that sweet Pete action, but it's pretty rare. Even more so now that Flash has it, save for Slott's stupid stint with Superior Venom for like one issue.

Also is Flash Venom still in space? He was with GotG for awhile but that might have changed post-Secret Wars.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Once Brock lost Venom (over a decade ago?) I think most of the WE NEED PARKER stories died down, even though Gargan/Scorpion had it for quite awhile. On some occasions the symbiote goes all nutty and wants some of that sweet Pete action, but it's pretty rare. Even more so now that Flash has it, save for Slott's stupid stint with Superior Venom for like one issue.

Also is Flash Venom still in space? He was with GotG for awhile but that might have changed post-Secret Wars.

He's got his own series, Venom: Space Knight.