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Mar 7, 2016#1

Jay

For me it's Kingdom of Heaven. It seems like every person who saw it felt pretty negative about it but I thought it was really good. I bought the Blue-Ray and watched the "no cut version" where apparently it ran too long for theaters but the missing 35 minutes added a lot of meat to the story... and I can see how it affected people's opinions.... but I love the movie.

It's so well written.

Mar 7, 2016#2

PatrThom

The only one that comes to mind (after a few minutes of pondering) is The Mouse and His Child.

--Patrick

Mar 7, 2016#3

Chad Sexington

Jay said:
For me it's Kingdom of Heaven. It seems like every person who say it felt pretty negative about it but I thought it was really good. I bought the Blue-Ray and watched the "no cut version" where apparently it ran too long for theaters but the missing 35 minutes added a lot of meat to the story... and I can see how it affected people's opinions.... but I love the movie.

It's so well written.

I agree, in particular with the Director's Cut edition.

I would say Sunshine is one I get a lot of pushback on, but I think is a gorgeous and great movie. Movies with Mikey (which explores a lot of films of mixed popularity) gave it a great review/analysis:

Mar 7, 2016#4

PatrThom

Sunshine is one of those movies I want to see someday.

--Patrick

Mar 7, 2016#5

strawman

The Straight Story is one I enjoyed that everyone I watched it with whined about how boring it was. Looks like it was critically acclaimed though, so I suppose it doesn't count for this thread...

Mar 7, 2016#6

CynicismKills

I guess just about any stupid comedy or action flick, really.

Seth McFarlane's movies are hilarious to me, but they definitely don't get very good reviews.

Mar 7, 2016#7

Hailey Knight

How many Godzilla movies shall I list?

Mar 7, 2016#8

MindDetective

Kevin Costner in The Postman

Mar 7, 2016#9

Ravenpoe

Eyes Wide Shut

I'm a total apologist for this movie. I know people don't like it, and I honestly didn't on first watching, either, but it's really grown on me. It might also have something to do with my huge cineboner for Kubrick.

Mar 7, 2016#10

Tress

The 90's remake of Night of the Living Dead.

Tony Todd gave one helluva performance, and I liked the fact that the character of Barbara was updated to be stronger and indepent. And, of course, the makeup was great.

Mar 7, 2016#11

HCGLNS

Waterworld.

No, no, I'm quite serious.

Mar 8, 2016#12

fade

I have a bunch of these. Recently, I really liked the new Secret Life of Walter Mitty. It was beautifully shot, and I was hoping it would lead to people giving Ben Stiller more of an opportunity with serious stuff and with directing. It seemed to fall on deaf audience ears, though. I wonder if it's because I saw a screener--maybe they cut some things I really liked before it went to theaters.

Mar 8, 2016#13

MindDetective

fade said:
I have a bunch of these. Recently, I really liked the new Secret Life of Walter Mitty. It was beautifully shot, and I was hoping it would lead to people giving Ben Stiller more of an opportunity with serious stuff and with directing. It seemed to fall on deaf audience ears, though. I wonder if it's because I saw a screener--maybe they cut some things I really liked before it went to theaters.

Watched twice. Gorgeous film. You and I actually overlap on preferences a lot, though. If I spoke up more, it would be "MD doesn't like anything".

Mar 8, 2016#14

strawman

MindDetective said:
If I spoke up more

Instead it's "MD doesn't speak up enough."

Mar 8, 2016#15

MindDetective

stienman said:
Instead it's "MD doesn't speak up enough."

...

Mar 8, 2016#16

fade

Interesting trivia about Walter Mitty: Ben Stiller is a skilled skateboarder, and that was actually him in the skateboarding scenes.

Mar 8, 2016#17

GasBandit

Jay said:
For me it's Kingdom of Heaven. It seems like every person who saw it felt pretty negative about it but I thought it was really good. I bought the Blue-Ray and watched the "no cut version" where apparently it ran too long for theaters but the missing 35 minutes added a lot of meat to the story... and I can see how it affected people's opinions.... but I love the movie.

It's so well written.

I loved it, even in the theater. It came out right when I was in the middle of my DAOC phase. When they blew that hole in the wall, I practically wanted to shout "OK, all PBAOE casters spam that hole! Tanks form a shield wall! Go go go go go!"[DOUBLEPOST=1457458885,1457458729][/DOUBLEPOST]As for myself, the answer seems to be "The Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions." I think the first Matrix movie set the bar so high that people were expecting the sequels to be even that much better than the original, when really, if you view all 3 movies back to back to back you can see it's really one long movie cut into 3 parts of roughly equivalent quality, abarring unfortunate casting changes brought on by actor death and contract dispute.

Mar 8, 2016#18

Sara_2814

Two cartoons from my childhood that were remade as live action movies.

Speed Racer. I just watched it again this weekend. I love this movie. It was goofy and fun. It's a live-action anime/manga. Some of the ridiculous things (driving up the mountain with spiked tires) were lifted from the manga. It speaks directly to those of us who love cars and auto racing. It takes a stab at corruption and greed in auto racing (see also: Formula One). I would have preferred a more traditional style of racing in the movie, but that's a minor complaint because I loved everything else.

Scooby-Doo. This was my favorite cartoon as a kid and this movie nailed it. This was the cartoon brought to life in all its weirdness and silliness. The casting was fantastic. And the reveal of the actual villain was a gift to Scooby fans.

Mar 8, 2016#19

PatrThom

GasBandit said:
if you view all 3 movies back to back to back you can see it's really one long movie cut into 3 parts of roughly equivalent quality, abarring unfortunate casting changes brought on by actor death and contract dispute.

I agree that it was one movie, but we'll have to disagree about the "equivalent" part. I still feel like it suffered from "are we done yet?" like a D&D campaign that has gone on all night until it's 5am and everyone just wants to get to the end already.

I'm also going to add The Fifth Element to my list. I know I'm among people here who probably liked it, but when I talk about it with other people, it's like they miss the humor entirely and think it's a bad Sci-Fi movie, or else they only focus on the humor and think that it's trying to be too serious.

--Patrick

Mar 8, 2016#20

Sara_2814

PatrThom said:
I'm also going to add The Fifth Element to my list. I know I'm among people here who probably liked it, but when I talk about it with other people, it's like they miss the humor entirely and think it's a bad Sci-Fi movie, or else they only focus on the humor and think that it's trying to be too serious.

There are people who don't like The Fifth Element? :eek:

Mar 8, 2016#21

Covar

Street Fighter. A lot of people seem to miss the fact that it's camp is mostly deliberate.

Mar 8, 2016#22

PatrThom

Sara_2814 said:
There are people who don't like The Fifth Element?

Yes.
There are people who think Milla Jovovich is the only good part of that movie.
They are wrong. Very, very wrong.

--Patrick

Mar 8, 2016#23

Ravenpoe

PatrThom said:
Yes.
There are people who think Milla Jovovich is the only good part of that movie.
They are wrong. Very, very wrong.

--Patrick

That movie has a literal space Hitler in it. How can you not love a movie with space Hitler?

Mar 8, 2016#24

fade

Covar said:
Street Fighter. A lot of people seem to miss the fact that it's camp is mostly deliberate.

For you, the day Street Fighter graced your cinema was the most important day of your life. But for me... it was Tuesday.

Mar 8, 2016#25

sixpackshaker

Mountains of the Moon - The story of Burton and Speke searching for the source of the Nile.

I also enjoyed The Postman and Waterworld. I did not think that the movies were good, but I had a good time watching them. The one thing that put me out of The Postman though was the Zippo that worked after 20 years, the damned things don't work after 2 weeks.

Mar 8, 2016#26

PatrThom

Covar said:
Street Fighter. A lot of people seem to miss the fact that it's camp is mostly deliberate.

The camp in Inspector Gadget was intentional, too...but I notice nobody is adding that movie to this list.
(Yes I have seen both Street Fighter and Inspector Gadget)

--Patrick

Mar 8, 2016#27

GasBandit

PatrThom said:
(Yes I have seen both Street Fighter and Inspector Gadget)

Mar 8, 2016#28

Hailey Knight

Zero Esc said:
How many Godzilla movies shall I list?

Okay, I'm going to dig into this one. Putting Godzilla movies on their own scale apart from non-kaiju films, there are mostly good to fantastic ones, but a few are awful. Godzilla's Revenge, Godzilla vs Hedorah, the 1998 American movie ... and it seems every Godzilla fan has at least one shitty Godzilla movie that they love just as much as the great ones, even though every other Godzilla fan hates it.

Mine is Godzilla vs Spacegodzilla. Every criticism I've seen of that movie is totally correct--it's slow, the first half of the plot goes nowhere, the outer space effects are among the worst effects in a series filled with rubber suit monsters ... but I love it. It feels so big and ridiculous, and I enjoy the characters and even the leisurely pace at times that I really can't stand in fellow movies like Godzilla X Megaguirus. And I think Spacegodzilla is cool. His hatred of Godzilla is so apparent, his actions almost feel human, but he's one of the few Godzilla foes from space that isn't being controlled by humanoid aliens. He just comes to Earth and fucking hates Godzilla, the way most clones hate their source.

Mar 8, 2016#29

Jay

Next one for me would be "The Last Samurai". Sure, Tom Cruise as a person is someone suspect but he's an accomplished actor and I think this was one of his best roles.

Firstly, I love anything medieval... but the Sengoku period is my 2nd all-time fav (romance of the three kingdoms being the first.) Yes, I understand this movie took place during the final stages of the Meiji period but I like to pretend.... beautiful cinematography and sets/costume design. The score is one of my all-time favorites ('The Final Charge' still sends shivers my way) by my favorite composer. Tom Cruise plays his part well and is supported by an incredible cast. Ken Watanabe is king.

Storyline is great and very respectful to the Japanese culture and provides you a bittersweet ending that after the first time, made me leave the cinema with tears in my eyes and it still happens on my viewings.

I've seen this movie twice a year and make sure I do so whenever release date comes by.

I'd proudly state it's one of my TOP 5 movies of all-time.

So underrated and people disliked it so much for something so insignificant as the Actor's personal life.

Mar 8, 2016#30

CynicismKills

Jay said:
Next one for me would be "The Last Samurai". Sure, Tom Cruise as a person is someone suspect but he's an accomplished actor and I think this was one of his best roles.

Firstly, I love anything medieval... but the Sengoku period is my 2nd all-time fav (romance of the three kingdoms being the first.) Yes, I understand this movie took place during the final stages of the Meiji period but I like to pretend.... beautiful cinematography and sets/costume design. The score is one of my all-time favorites ('The Final Charge' still sends shivers my way) by my favorite composer. Tom Cruise plays his part well and is supported by an incredible cast. Ken Watanabe is king.

Storyline is great and very respectful to the Japanese culture and provides you a bittersweet ending that after the first time, made me leave the cinema with tears in my eyes and it still happens on my viewings.

I've seen this movie twice a year and make sure I do so whenever release date comes by.

I'd proudly state it's one of my TOP 5 movies of all-time.

So underrated and people disliked it so much for something so insignificant as the Actor's personal life.

Man I love Last Samurai. Cruise is great, Watanabe is great, and the locations are beautiful. I still get goosebumps from the last 10 or so minutes and their final lines.

"Tell me how he died."

"No. I will tell you how he lived."

Mar 9, 2016#31

Dave

Wall-E.

Oh, wait. This is movies you LIKED that other people hated, not the other way around.

Joe Versus the Volcano. Fucking love that movie.

Mar 9, 2016#32

GasBandit

Dave said:
Wall-E.

Oh, wait. This is movies you LIKED that other people hated, not the other way around.

Joe Versus the Volcano. Fucking love that movie.

The only way you couldn't like Wall-E is if you were suffering from a brain cloud.

Mar 9, 2016#33

PatrThom

GasBandit said:
The only way you couldn't like Wall-E is if you were suffering from a brain cloud.

Or if you're a scientist.

--Patrick

Mar 9, 2016#34

sixpackshaker

Heaven's Gate, it destroyed "New Hollywood" but I thought it was a fine film. It was a little dull, but still well done.

Mar 9, 2016#35

WasabiPoptart

Constantine. I never read the comics, so I thought the movie was decent. I loved Tilda Swinton as Gabriel. I thought Keanu Reeves was good. I liked that Constantine and Angela didn't kiss despite a few scenes where I know in any other movie they'd have torn off each other's clothes.

I won't defend it. It's not critically acclaimed/award winning. The acting wasn't deserving of more recognition. It didn't have a deep meaning. I just liked it.
I'm going to go hide now before I'm flogged.

Mar 9, 2016#36

Frank

Ravenous for me. The soundtrack is glorious and the story is delightfully weird. Plus, it has one of the worst fucking trailers of all time.

They used White Zombie's Boogieman as the background music in it.

Mar 9, 2016#37

Fun Size

WasabiPoptart said:
Constantine. I never read the comics, so I thought the movie was decent. I loved Tilda Swinton as Gabriel. I thought Keanu Reeves was good. I liked that Constantine and Angela didn't kiss despite a few scenes where I know in any other movie they'd have torn off each other's clothes.

I won't defend it. It's not critically acclaimed/award winning. The acting wasn't deserving of more recognition. It didn't have a deep meaning. I just liked it.
I'm going to go hide now before I'm flogged.

I'll second this, even after reading the comics and acknowledging that Matt Ryan was the perfect person to play Constantine.

Mar 9, 2016#38

GasBandit

Frank said:
Ravenous for me. The soundtrack is glorious and the story is delightfully weird. Plus, it has one of the worst fucking trailers of all time.

They used White Zombie's Boogieman as the background music in it.

Ha ha ha, oh god, I remember that trailer.

Mar 9, 2016#39

Fun Size

Frank said:
Ravenous for me. The soundtrack is glorious and the story is delightfully weird. Plus, it has one of the worst fucking trailers of all time.

They used White Zombie's Boogieman as the background music in it.

I'm assuming this was a...comedy?

Mar 9, 2016#40

fade

WasabiPoptart said:
Constantine. I never read the comics, so I thought the movie was decent. I loved Tilda Swinton as Gabriel. I thought Keanu Reeves was good. I liked that Constantine and Angela didn't kiss despite a few scenes where I know in any other movie they'd have torn off each other's clothes.

I won't defend it. It's not critically acclaimed/award winning. The acting wasn't deserving of more recognition. It didn't have a deep meaning. I just liked it.
I'm going to go hide now before I'm flogged.

I liked this movie, too. It followed one of the comic plots reasonably well. Keanu wasn't the greatest casting choice, and his Constantine was waaay too serious, but it was still a good watch.

Mar 9, 2016#41

figmentPez

MindDetective said:
Kevin Costner in The Postman

I remember thinking the movie was okay, but holy crap does it pale in comparison to the book. I'm not usually one to jump to "the book was better", but seriously, the movie leaves the most important thematic points of the book by the wayside.

Mar 9, 2016#42

Hailey Knight

WasabiPoptart said:
Constantine. I never read the comics, so I thought the movie was decent. I loved Tilda Swinton as Gabriel. I thought Keanu Reeves was good. I liked that Constantine and Angela didn't kiss despite a few scenes where I know in any other movie they'd have torn off each other's clothes.

I won't defend it. It's not critically acclaimed/award winning. The acting wasn't deserving of more recognition. It didn't have a deep meaning. I just liked it.
I'm going to go hide now before I'm flogged.

I liked it too, having no familiarity with the character at the time. It's a terrible HellBlazer adaptation, but standing by itself, it's a decent enough movie.

And <3 Tilda Swinton.

Mar 9, 2016#43

CynicismKills

Peter Stormare's Lucifer in that movie was 10/10 also. First thing I remember seeing him in, and he's always been the best super-creep in everything since.

Mar 9, 2016#44

Ravenpoe

CynicismKills said:
Peter Stormare's Lucifer in that movie was 10/10 also. First thing I remember seeing him in, and he's always been the best super-creep in everything since.

He's the psychiatrist in Until Dawn, and all I could keep thinking about through the whole game is "Don't trust that guy, he's Lucifer!"

Mar 9, 2016#45

CynicismKills

Ravenpoe said:
He's the psychiatrist in Until Dawn, and all I could keep thinking about through the whole game is "Don't trust that guy, he's Lucifer!"

Yeah he's shown up in a lot of stuff I've watched and every time it's the same "THIS GUY'S THE DEVIL DON'T LISTEN TO HIM!"

Mar 9, 2016#46

bhamv3

Speaking of Peter Stormare, I quite liked Armageddon.

Actually, y'know what, I like Michael Bay movies in general. He's a one-trick pony, but he does that trick quite well.

Mar 9, 2016#47

Hailey Knight

CynicismKills said:
Peter Stormare's Lucifer in that movie was 10/10 also. First thing I remember seeing him in, and he's always been the best super-creep in everything since.

Wow, I completely forgot about that. He was excellent.

Ravenpoe said:
He's the psychiatrist in Until Dawn, and all I could keep thinking about through the whole game is "Don't trust that guy, he's Lucifer!"

Best part of the game. My wife and I ate up every one of his scenes.

Mar 9, 2016#48

PatrThom

Zero Esc said:
And <3 Tilda Swinton.

She needs to be in much more stuff.

--Patrick

Mar 9, 2016#49

ncts_dodge_man

Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time - reviews aren't that great (36% on Rotten Tomatoes), but I like it. Not sure I'd wanted to pay movie theater prices to see it, but as a free rental from my local library. Gemma Aterton, Jake Gyllenhaal, Ben Kingsley, and Alfred Molina all star in it...

I also like Waterworld and The Postman.

Mar 9, 2016#50

Jay

Josie and the Pussycats.... people haaated it.

I just love how the movie poked fun at the whole logistics, materialism and product placement conspiracy in the middle of this film about a band/group who hit it big. The songs were catchy as fuck and honestly I like anything that comes from the Archie universe.

Also, ummm....it was very nice to look at... visually... and by visually mean by how incredibly hot Tara Reid was in her non-tarnished prime and I reeeeally had a thing for Rachel Leigh Cook growing up. Also her hair in this was so hot...

Mar 9, 2016#51

PatrThom

Jay said:
I just love how the movie poked fun at the whole logistics, materialism and product placement conspiracy

Oh, this reminds me, I also liked Return of the Killer Tomatoes.

--Patrick

Mar 10, 2016#52

ThatNickGuy

Huh, weird. I honestly don't hear much hate for Josie & the Pussycats. And that's including years years of working in a video store.

I've discussed several before, like the director's cut of Daredevil (however, the Netflix series blows it completely out of the water in every way imaginable). I wouldn't call them great by any stretch and I wouldn't defend them hard, but I enjoyed the Fantastic Four movies (with Michael Chiklis as The Thing). And of the Superman films, Superman Returns is probably the one I have the least problems with, overall. Again, wouldn't defend it hard, I still have several problems with it, and I agree with most criticisms.

Cloud Atlas is one I know a lot of people hated. I found audiences were split almost exactly 50/50. If you liked it, you loved it. If you didn't like it, you hated it. Very little grey area there. Me? I loved it and I happily own a BluRay copy.

Mar 10, 2016#53

Ravenpoe

ThatNickGuy said:
Cloud Atlas is one I know a lot of people hated. I found audiences were split almost exactly 50/50. If you liked it, you loved it. If you didn't like it, you hated it. Very little grey area there. Me? I loved it and I happily own a BluRay copy.

Loved it, own it on Blu-Ray, and talked several friends into watching it.

Mar 10, 2016#54

Dave

I just got done watching Infini. I was surprised to find the hate for it (I always look up reviews after seeing a movie - I know, it's weird). Rotten Tomatoes gives it a 36% with audience giving it 32%. I liked it. I thought the ending was a bit shoe-horned and could have been a bit more fleshed out, but the movie itself was enjoyable.

And I loved Cloud Atlas.

Mar 10, 2016#55

blotsfan

I haven't seen it but from what I can tell, you either think Cloud Atlas was one of the best movies of the last few years or hate it with every fiber of your being.

Mar 10, 2016#56

ThatNickGuy

blotsfan said:
I haven't seen it but from what I can tell, you either think Cloud Atlas was one of the best movies of the last few years or hate it with every fiber of your being.

Yep. No grey area at all. You either love it or you hate it. I'm sure there are other movies just as divisive, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Mar 10, 2016#57

blotsfan

As I mentioned in the other thread, Napolean Dynamite is the same. It even created a problem with Netflix programmers.

Mar 11, 2016#58

SpecialKO

Deep Rising.

It's a giant hack production, but I don't care.

I found the character interactions funny.

I found the atmosphere and pacing perfect.

I loved the monster concept.

I love that you can play "hey, I know that guy!" bingo with it (and that Djimon fucking Honsou plays a mook because no one had seen Amistad yet when they were making it).

I thought the fact that they desperately wanted Harrison Ford but couldn't get him to say yes and so got Treat Williams instead but told him to act Harrison-Ford-y was hysterical.

I will love this movie until the end of time.

Mar 11, 2016#59

General Specific

Star Wars Episodes 2 & 3.

*ducks*

Ok, let me explain.

Episode 2 - There's a lot wrong with it, but the arena fight on Geonosis and the subsequent battle were good. The overall plot wasn't terrible, either. It certainly could have used less politics, but I still enjoy it.

Episode 3 - I will defend a bit more because I honestly like this movie a lot. The plot works, the action is good, the awaited duel between Obi-Wan & Anakin could have been better (pulling the shot back a bit would be step one), and the scene of Vader's transformation and first breath was damn near flawless. Until the whole scene is ruined with ridiculous cheese.

The only good thing about episode 1 was the Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan vs Maul fight.

Mar 11, 2016#60

PatrThom

SpecialKO said:
I thought the fact that they desperately wanted Harrison Ford but couldn't get him to say yes and so got Treat Williams instead but told him to act Harrison-Ford-y was hysterical.

...which reminds me of another movie I've seen that fits this thread: Dead Heat (1988). Oh, the science is completely wrong and inconsistent on soooo many counts, but I still liked it enough to see it in the theater.
And also there's that movie I most recently mentioned in the trailer thread, Overdrawn at the Memory Bank. I thought it was fascinating, and I'd love for someone to do an even better treatment of it someday.

--Patrick

Mar 11, 2016#61

General Specific

PatrThom said:
...which reminds me of another movie I've seen that fits this thread: Dead Heat (1988). Oh, the science is completely wrong and inconsistent on soooo many counts, but I still liked it enough to see it in the theater.
And also there's that movie I most recently mentioned in the trailer thread, Overdrawn at the Memory Bank. I thought it was fascinating, and I'd love for someone to do an even better treatment of it someday.

--Patrick

They did, it was called The Matrix

Mar 11, 2016#62

PatrThom

General Specific said:
They did, it was called The Matrix

Similar conditions, but much different motivation and result.
Makes me wonder if the Wachowskis weren't inspired by it, though.

--Patrick

Mar 12, 2016#63

Mathias

Jay said:
For me it's Kingdom of Heaven. It seems like every person who saw it felt pretty negative about it but I thought it was really good. I bought the Blue-Ray and watched the "no cut version" where apparently it ran too long for theaters but the missing 35 minutes added a lot of meat to the story... and I can see how it affected people's opinions.... but I love the movie.

It's so well written.

A lot of people consider the no cut version to be really good.[DOUBLEPOST=1457792637,1457792248][/DOUBLEPOST]As for me:

Grown Ups 1 and 2
Corky Romano
Son in Law, Encino Man, Biodome, and In the Army Now (I fucking love Paulie Shore movies)

Mar 12, 2016#64

Dave

Mathias said:
As for me:

Grown Ups 1 and 2
Corky Romano
Son in Law, Encino Man, Biodome, and In the Army Now (I fucking love Paulie Shore movies)

Yes, No, No, YES!, Yes!, No, HELL NO.

Mar 12, 2016#65

CynicismKills

Dave said:
Yes, No, No, YES!, Yes!, No, HELL NO.

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Mar 12, 2016#66

Celt Z

Dave said:
Yes, No, No, YES!, Yes!, No, HELL NO.

I see this and all I hear is

Mar 12, 2016#67

PatrThom

Celt Z said:
I see this and all I hear is

Yeah, but that's only Part I.

--Patrick

Mar 12, 2016#68

PatrThom

Also adding Titan A. E. to this list.

--Patrick

Mar 12, 2016#69

ThatNickGuy

CynicismKills said:
nickspromnight.jpg

Oi!

...

Yeah.

Mar 12, 2016#70

Frank

Fun Size said:
I'm assuming this was a...comedy?

Horror/Dark Comedy.

I liked Kingdom of Heaven, but I didn't care for Orlando Bloom's character who grew up a blacksmith knowing advanced siege engineering and teaching everyone how good he is at siegecraft. It seemed really mighty whitey.

Jeremy Irons was fucking awesome in it.

Mar 13, 2016#71

Jay

Frank said:
Horror/Dark Comedy.

I liked Kingdom of Heaven, but I didn't care for Orlando Bloom's character who grew up a blacksmith knowing advanced siege engineering and teaching everyone how good he is at siegecraft. It seemed really mighty whitey.

Jeremy Irons was fucking awesome in it.

Uncut version explains why but as far as true siege warfare goes, it was pretty bad.... but so pretty to watch though.

The movie in general though was ludicrous on so many levels but despite others, can I seperate fact from fiction and really enjoyed the fan fiction from a great director.

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