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NBC Cancels Heroes - She was a fine ship with a fine crew

#1



Rubicon

Yep, NBC gave them the axe :( http://www.ugo.com/tv/times-up-for-heroes

Wish we had just a bit more time...We don't learn Hiro's fate after being super-charged by Ando. Samuel's fate is discussed in a few lines of dialogue with HRG but what about the entire carnival of super powered people? Some resolution there would be nice.

And of course, the stuff with Sylar/Peter was starting to become awesome after Season 3's "Oh I'm bad, no wait I'm good, no on second thought I'm bad again" Sylar (which SUCKED cause he was awesome in S1 and S2).

And the big ordeal with Claire at the ending? Ok so she does that, but then what? We've several alternate timelines of the future, which one comes true based on what she does?

I really had hoped they'd give us a movie or two to just tie it up together. I mean yea, the ship itself sank in Season 3 before mid-season even happened but at least wrap it up enough for the fans who stuck through Seasons 3 and 4 (though again I believe Season 4 was slowly & surely making up for Season 3).

Oh well. I own s1 and s2 on dvd, i'll pick up s3 and s4 at some point, just to have the complete collection. Nothing will top those s1 episodes though.. "Company Man", "Five Years Gone", etc were some of the best written television I've ever seen.


#2

MindDetective

MindDetective

Good riddance. It was NOT a well-written show.


#3

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

I was shocked to hear it was still on. I thought they cancelled it like two years ago.

This show had one good season and then it turned awful.


#4

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Yeah, it's been garbage since some of the middle and the end of season 1.


#5

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

That's a mercy killing about 3 years too late. First season was mind blowingly awesome. Second season had its moments, but overall stunk. And it all went downhill from there.

RIP Heroes and good fucking riddance.


#6

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

There's cancelled, and there's being drug out behind a shed and shot.


This was the latter.


#7

Jay

Jay

I always thought this show sucked a dick.


#8

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I think Mav was the only one still watching at this point.


#9



kaykordeath

I was still watching. I wasn't enjoying near as much as I used to, nor as much as Mav, but I wasn't hating it.

That being said, I'm very much ok with where things will be left off. I can walk away with enough belief that Sylar's reformation will take hold this time...especially after his "years" in exile. Claire's actions really did turn the page to a whole new world for powereds. It may not be smooth sailing from here, but Noah/Angela/The Company's role is shattered. Sure, there is POTENTIAL for more stories, and they could have been good ones...but the world that the characters inhabited within the series' tv run had, by the finale, truly reached its limit.


#10



Rubicon

I pretend Season 3 doesn't exist, basically. That makes it more tolerable. lol


#11

Bowielee

Bowielee

It kinda ended the same way the 4400 did. Everything being brought out into the open. It's really not a bad place to end the series. Especially with Claire bookending it.

I really liked the last season. I thought it was picking up speed again, but I'm glad they're ending it where it's at. Especially with the Syler being bad, then good, then bad again, then good again.


#12

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

I stopped after the Sylar-is-Nathan season ender. Just could take it anymore.


#13

Troll

Troll

Mav said:
I pretend Season 3 doesn't exist, basically. That makes it more tolerable. lol
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I do this with everything after Season 1. The writers should apologize to everyone who ever owned a televsion for the shit they spewed forth in Seasons 2-4.


#14

David

David

I lost track of what was going on around the time the dude got separated from his girlfriend in a future timeline than just kind of forgot she existed.


#15

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

David said:
I lost track of what was going on around the time the dude got separated from his girlfriend in a future timeline than just kind of forgot she existed.
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This bugged me a lot. When Peter was like NO IRISH GIRL I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEoh wait more plot bye lady. I think this was really where I started to tune out.


#16



TwoBit

ThatNickGuy said:
That's a mercy killing about 3 years too late. First season was mind blowingly awesome. Second season had its moments, but overall stunk. And it all went downhill from there.

RIP Heroes and good fucking riddance.
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My thoughts exactly.


#17

Covar

Covar

So what comic did they [Strike]ripoff[/Strike]homage for season 4?

Also good riddance, the show sucked donkey balls after season 1. By season 3 it had started to make the full loop towards so bad it's good, but then fell right back into so bad.


#18

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Are they stopping the comic as well? Or is that going to be the last vestiges of the show?

Still, maybe now they'll stop running Chuck up against House in an attempt to kill it. Put it on at 9 and it'll find the audience it deserves.


#19

Bowielee

Bowielee

AshburnerX said:
Are they stopping the comic as well? Or is that going to be the last vestiges of the show?

Still, maybe now they'll stop running Chuck up against House in an attempt to kill it. Put it on at 9 and it'll find the audience it deserves.
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I stipped watching Chuck as soon as the intersect gave him kung fu powers.


#20

ElJuski

ElJuski

Oh Heroes, the show I was gonna get into before everyone told me to just...no, don't. I hear it might be getting a tv movie / event to wrap shit up. But at this point, is it worth it? Dubious.


#21

MindDetective

MindDetective

Bowielee;386258][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:
Are they stopping the comic as well? Or is that going to be the last vestiges of the show?

Still, maybe now they'll stop running Chuck up against House in an attempt to kill it. Put it on at 9 and it'll find the audience it deserves.
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I stipped watching Chuck as soon as the intersect gave him kung fu powers.[/QUOTE]

Chuck has gotten so great since then! They are genuinely allowing their characters to change (gradually) and it isn't just "spy mission of the week". I've been impressed with the chances they are taking by not maintaining the status quo.


#22



Oddbot

Mav said:
Yep, NBC gave them the axe :( http://www.ugo.com/tv/times-up-for-heroes

Wish we had just a bit more time...We don't learn Hiro's fate after being super-charged by Ando. Samuel's fate is discussed in a few lines of dialogue with HRG but what about the entire carnival of super powered people? Some resolution there would be nice.

And of course, the stuff with Sylar/Peter was starting to become awesome after Season 3's "Oh I'm bad, no wait I'm good, no on second thought I'm bad again" Sylar (which SUCKED cause he was awesome in S1 and S2).

And the big ordeal with Claire at the ending? Ok so she does that, but then what? We've several alternate timelines of the future, which one comes true based on what she does?

I really had hoped they'd give us a movie or two to just tie it up together. I mean yea, the ship itself sank in Season 3 before mid-season even happened but at least wrap it up enough for the fans who stuck through Seasons 3 and 4 (though again I believe Season 4 was slowly & surely making up for Season 3).

Oh well. I own s1 and s2 on dvd, i'll pick up s3 and s4 at some point, just to have the complete collection. Nothing will top those s1 episodes though.. "Company Man", "Five Years Gone", etc were some of the best written television I've ever seen.
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According to IGN, NBC is considering a 2-4 hour movie to wrap up the series.

Like most people I lost faith in the show about midway through season 2.


#23

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Bowielee;386258][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:
Are they stopping the comic as well? Or is that going to be the last vestiges of the show?

Still, maybe now they'll stop running Chuck up against House in an attempt to kill it. Put it on at 9 and it'll find the audience it deserves.
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I stipped watching Chuck as soon as the intersect gave him kung fu powers.[/QUOTE]

He barely uses them and when he does, it's usually reacting to something he shouldn't be reacting to (like flipping his co-worker after he grabs his wrist). However, Chuck has grown greatly since then and his relationship with Sarah actually makes sense now. Even his co-workers are growing.


#24

Espy

Espy

Frank said:
Yeah, it's been garbage since some of the middle and the end of season 1.
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Yup.


#25



Matt²

Thank GOD it's been cancelled! It was produced HORRIBLY! I kept wanting it to do SOO well, and they kept building up to these awesome standoffs... to have all the action show behind a door we can't see and it end in 5 seconds. So FUCK Heroes. Maybe we can get JJ Abrams to do a version of Heroes that doesn't SUCK?


#26

Rob King

Rob King

They should have put this dog down mid-second season. At the time I thought that the problem was the writer's strike. In hindsight I now realize that after the first season's success the writers' heads got too big and they started throwing shit and calling it plot.


#27

Troll

Troll

Rob King said:
They should have put this dog down mid-second season. At the time I thought that the problem was the writer's strike. In hindsight I now realize that after the first season's success the writers' heads got too big and they started throwing shit and calling it plot.
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In their defense some of the key members of the writing staff either left or changed jobs on the show, leaving the writing to a much less talented pack of idiots.


#28

Rob King

Rob King

So damn tragic, it is. The first season was gold. I remember reading an interview with the head writers partway through the first season, and they indicated that the second season would follow a 90% different cast of heroes on a seemingly unrelated but secretly connected adventure.

Then it got successful. I liked Peter, and Hiro, and most of them, actually. But I'd have rathered have the original second season than this 'we r so poopular, lets trie to ride tihs wavee!' crap.


#29



Wyrminarrd

I was still watching the show but more due to inertia then anything else. The show really suffered from a lack of vision regarding where it wanted to go. The writers should have fleshed out a internally consistent plot for several seasons after the first season, that way they wouldn't have gotten caught up in all the flip-flopping and retconning which plagued the series.


#30

drawn_inward

drawn_inward

This show could have been epic, but it was terrible. I watched every stinking episode. I kept hoping it would improve, but it just kept getting worse.


#31

Covar

Covar

dr_awkward said:
This show could have been epic, but it was terrible. I watched every stinking episode. I kept hoping it would improve, but it just kept getting worse.
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The show was only popular because people kept expecting it to become a super-hero type show, which was never the intent. Heroes premise was never going to make the audience that initially tuned in, and built the hype happy.

Didn't help that the show didn't have a single hero in it.


#32

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

If anyone is interested, there's approximately a hojillion new super-hero shows premiering next season on TV.


#33

Bowielee

Bowielee

I'll admit it, I loved the new storyline with the carnival. If the last season had been the second season, the show would be still on the air. It wasn't as good as the first season, but honestly it was pretty good.


#34



Reboneer

About damn time.


#35



Soliloquy

I watched one third of the first episode of Heroes. It was all right.


#36

Krisken

Krisken

My god, I'm siding with Mav. The last season was pretty good. Instead of introducing 2 dimensional characters and tossing them away at the whim of a new plot, they actually developed them and had a reason for each of them being there. Hell, they even took past characters which were somewhat 2d and gave them a personality and fleshed out their characters. What could have been a case of ending in the dumps, Heroes last season was pretty good.


#37

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

CBS is cutting several successful shows this Fall

"Cold Case," "Ghost Whisperer" "Numb3rs," "The New Adventures of Old Christine," "Gary Unmarried," "Miami Medical" and "Accidentally on Purpose."

I've seen a couple of episodes of Numb3rs. I enjoyed the show, but it was on Fridays when I had other things to do.


#38



Philosopher B.

I guess I should be glad I only ever watched one episode of Heroes. :p

Edit: Can't say I'm too broken up about those other shows, either ...


#39

Krisken

Krisken

ABC is killing Better Off Ted, which was hilarious. That's the one that really burns me.

Community got picked up for another season. I fully expect it to be canceled at the end of season 2. It's just too good to last. (If you haven't seen the Modern Warfare episode, do it. It's brilliant.)


#40



Soliloquy

sixpackshaker said:
CBS is cutting several successful shows this Fall

"Cold Case," "Ghost Whisperer" "Numb3rs," "The New Adventures of Old Christine," "Gary Unmarried," "Miami Medical" and "Accidentally on Purpose."

I've seen a couple of episodes of Numb3rs. I enjoyed the show, but it was on Fridays when I had other things to do.
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I never really liked Numb3rs. It's just your average cop show, only some guy shows up and spouts stuff vaguely related to math every so often.


#41

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Soliloquy said:
I never really liked House. It's just your average cop show, only some guy shows up and spouts stuff vaguely related to Healthcare every so often.
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Just pointing out that the formula could be used to say a lot of things.


#42

Espy

Espy

There are lots of formula shows, the real issue isn't is it unique, it's are they doing anything interesting or entertaining. Most procedural cop shows (and related procedurals) do nothing for me. The wire kind of ruined me like that.


#43



Soliloquy

Espy said:
There are lots of formula shows, the real issue isn't is it unique, it's are they doing anything interesting or entertaining. Most procedural cop shows (and related procedurals) do nothing for me. The wire kind of ruined me like that.
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Yeah, that's a better way of stating it than I did. There really wasn't anything that stood out about Numb3rs.


#44

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

My investigator friends really get pissed at cop shows. They solve cases in an hour that takes real detectives months.


#45

Bowielee

Bowielee

sixpackshaker said:
My investigator friends really get pissed at cop shows. They solve cases in an hour that takes real detectives months.
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Or even years, but they are aware that it's television and not real life, right?


#46

Espy

Espy

Bowielee said:
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Or even years, but they are aware that it's television and not real life, right?
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Can't really talk about that, it's part of an ongoing investigation.


#47

Bowielee

Bowielee

I never understood the whole "people in the field hating TV shows about what they do" I've worked in offices for years, but that doesn't make me hate the office because it's unrealistic.


#48



Philosopher B.

Bowielee said:
I never understood the whole "people in the field hating TV shows about what they do" I've worked in offices for years, but that doesn't make me hate the office because it's unrealistic.
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I imagine it has to do with people's false expectations of the police force, etc.


#49

D

Dubyamn

Krisken said:
My god, I'm siding with Mav. The last season was pretty good. Instead of introducing 2 dimensional characters and tossing them away at the whim of a new plot, they actually developed them and had a reason for each of them being there. Hell, they even took past characters which were somewhat 2d and gave them a personality and fleshed out their characters. What could have been a case of ending in the dumps, Heroes last season was pretty good.
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That may be but it was too little too late. I watched the show through the whole second season, I watched the beginning of the third season which basically took everything that happened in the second season finale and chucked it out the window, I even tried to watch the fourth season primere and that was atrocious.

They may have turned it around, I do have my doubts but great for them maybe next time they bottle lightning they won't shit in it. I doubt they'll ever get something with as much promise as Heroes but who knows maybe they will be able to write a show worth watching past the first season.


#50

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Philosopher B.;387347][QUOTE=Bowielee said:
I never understood the whole "people in the field hating TV shows about what they do" I've worked in offices for years, but that doesn't make me hate the office because it's unrealistic.
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I imagine it has to do with people's false expectations of the police force, etc.[/QUOTE]

You should try wathing... well, just about anything entertaining, with a firefighter. Eerything from "THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO CPR!" and "A DEFRIBULATOR WOULD BE USELESS THERE!" to "THAT'S NOT EVEN AN EXPLOSIVE!" or "THAT'S ACTUALLY EXPLOSIVE!" and "JET FUEL BURNS WAY FASTER AND HOTTER THAN THAT!"

Somehow, though, if Arnold Schwarzennegar is in the movie, these factual errors are overlooked.

My favourite is the one that comes up in every action movie ever "That wouldn't work, gasoline won't light from a cigarette." Yes, dad, you've told us this before.


#51

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Bowielee;387328][QUOTE=sixpackshaker said:
My investigator friends really get pissed at cop shows. They solve cases in an hour that takes real detectives months.
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Or even years, but they are aware that it's television and not real life, right?[/QUOTE]

Law and Order was a bit better about this, by out right stating it things like it was "Trial part 58" or such, clearing showing that it had been going on for a VERY long time. It seems fast, but it's only because we only see the days they actually do something important.


#52



Soliloquy

There's also the whole thing about juries expecting every case to be proven with DNA evidence, microfibers, and whatnot, due to CSI. It's actually become such a problem that judges has started asking potential jury members whether or not they think CSI is an accurate representation of police work -- if they do, they're off the list.


#53

Covar

Covar

Soliloquy said:
There's also the whole thing about juries expecting every case to be proven with DNA evidence, microfibers, and whatnot, due to CSI. It's actually become such a problem that judges has started asking potential jury members whether or not they think CSI is an accurate representation of police work -- if they do, they're off the list.
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As it should be. They should also probably have their licenses taken away as I don't think they would be smart enough to drive. CSI made me pity the people that live in its Las Vegas. The CSI unit there is the ultimate law in that town.


#54

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Bowielee said:
I never understood the whole "people in the field hating TV shows about what they do" I've worked in offices for years, but that doesn't make me hate the office because it's unrealistic.
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Offices vary dramatically. Police work is something more specific.

My aunt is a nurse and she can't stand Scrubs.


#55

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

checkeredhat;387356][QUOTE=Philosopher B.;387347][QUOTE=Bowielee said:
I never understood the whole "people in the field hating TV shows about what they do" I've worked in offices for years, but that doesn't make me hate the office because it's unrealistic.
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I imagine it has to do with people's false expectations of the police force, etc.[/QUOTE]

You should try wathing... well, just about anything entertaining, with a firefighter. Eerything from "THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO CPR!" and "A DEFRIBULATOR WOULD BE USELESS THERE!" to "THAT'S NOT EVEN AN EXPLOSIVE!" or "THAT'S ACTUALLY EXPLOSIVE!" and "JET FUEL BURNS WAY FASTER AND HOTTER THAN THAT!"

Somehow, though, if Arnold Schwarzennegar is in the movie, these factual errors are overlooked.

My favourite is the one that comes up in every action movie ever "That wouldn't work, gasoline won't light from a cigarette." Yes, dad, you've told us this before.[/QUOTE]

I have this problem with my dad and Top Gun. "That's not what that button does!" "The HUD looks nothing like that!" "Oh come on, you can't use that missile on an F-14!"


#56

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Krisken said:
ABC is killing Better Off Ted, which was hilarious. That's the one that really burns me.
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Seriously. The "motion sensors" episode had me in tears.


#57



Soliloquy

Covar;387649][QUOTE=Soliloquy said:
There's also the whole thing about juries expecting every case to be proven with DNA evidence, microfibers, and whatnot, due to CSI. It's actually become such a problem that judges has started asking potential jury members whether or not they think CSI is an accurate representation of police work -- if they do, they're off the list.
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As it should be. They should also probably have their licenses taken away as I don't think they would be smart enough to drive. CSI made me pity the people that live in its Las Vegas. The CSI unit there is the ultimate law in that town.[/QUOTE]

And once they solve the crime, it's also their job to make sure the criminals feel bad about it.


#58

Dei

Dei

It is tempting to say that I think CSI represents real police work just to get out of jury duty though....


#59

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Dei said:
It is tempting to say that I think CSI represents real police work just to get out of jury duty though....
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Perhaps, but the fact that most intelligent people can easily get out of (and often do get out of) jury duty is one of the reasons our justice system fails us so often.


#60



Reboneer

TeKeo;387686][QUOTE=Krisken said:
ABC is killing Better Off Ted, which was hilarious. That's the one that really burns me.
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Seriously. The "motion sensors" episode had me in tears.[/QUOTE]

At least we still have two unaired episodes to look forward to eventually :)

Krisken said:
Community got picked up for another season. I fully expect it to be canceled at the end of season 2.
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Especially now that CBS has scheduled Big Bang Theory, the most (inexplicably) popular sitcom currently on TV, against it.


#61

Covar

Covar

Sorry guys Better Off Ted is my fault. I watched the first season on DVD, and by the time I did the second season was already airing so I decided to wait for the season 2 dvds.

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Reboneer;387795][QUOTE=TeKeo;387686][QUOTE=Krisken said:
ABC is killing Better Off Ted, which was hilarious. That's the one that really burns me.
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Seriously. The "motion sensors" episode had me in tears.[/QUOTE]

At least we still have two unaired episodes to look forward to eventually :)

Krisken said:
Community got picked up for another season. I fully expect it to be canceled at the end of season 2.
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Especially now that CBS has scheduled Big Bang Theory, the most (inexplicably) popular sitcom currently on TV, against it.[/QUOTE]

It's a show about geeks and geek culture that both mocks and honors the subject matter. That's why it's popular. Helps that it's funny too.


#62

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

CynicismKills;387681][QUOTE=checkeredhat;387356][QUOTE=Philosopher B.;387347][QUOTE=Bowielee said:
I never understood the whole "people in the field hating TV shows about what they do" I've worked in offices for years, but that doesn't make me hate the office because it's unrealistic.
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I imagine it has to do with people's false expectations of the police force, etc.[/QUOTE]

You should try wathing... well, just about anything entertaining, with a firefighter. Eerything from "THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO CPR!" and "A DEFRIBULATOR WOULD BE USELESS THERE!" to "THAT'S NOT EVEN AN EXPLOSIVE!" or "THAT'S ACTUALLY EXPLOSIVE!" and "JET FUEL BURNS WAY FASTER AND HOTTER THAN THAT!"

Somehow, though, if Arnold Schwarzennegar is in the movie, these factual errors are overlooked.

My favourite is the one that comes up in every action movie ever "That wouldn't work, gasoline won't light from a cigarette." Yes, dad, you've told us this before.[/QUOTE]

I have this problem with my dad and Top Gun. "That's not what that button does!" "The HUD looks nothing like that!" "Oh come on, you can't use that missile on an F-14!"[/QUOTE]

That is the way I was acting watching Robin Hood yesterday...

Oil don't Explode! a 120 lb. 40 year old woman is not going to string a yew long bow with one hand! There were no landing craft in the middle ages! Christians don't burn the bodies of nobles... etc.

I was totally insufferable to my date.


#63

KEM

KEM

To my mind Heroes managed to create some really good characters, but ultimately they didn't know what to do with them. Those characters really deserved a better, more thought-out plot.

As imperfect as it was that was the main thing that made the first season as good as it was: there was a clear plot with a beginning, middle and end. From Season 2 on they could never seem to keep characters consistent, both characters and plot lines would come and go with no real rhyme or reason.

Now if you're going to lack any basic coherence in that way, the least you can do is have some action in every episode. But the last season in particular was lacking even that.


#64



Soliloquy

KEM said:
To my mind Heroes managed to create some really good characters, but ultimately they didn't know what to do with them. Those characters really deserved a better, more thought-out plot.
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So... Heroes is television's answer to Cats?


#65

Bowielee

Bowielee

I'm one of those "showtune gays" and I can't stand Cats.


#66

KEM

KEM

Soliloquy;388427][QUOTE=KEM said:
To my mind Heroes managed to create some really good characters, but ultimately they didn't know what to do with them. Those characters really deserved a better, more thought-out plot.
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So... Heroes is television's answer to Cats?[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't get that reference. Is that some sort of in-joke around here? Keep in mind that I'm kinda new here.


#67

Bowielee

Bowielee

KEM;388535][QUOTE=Soliloquy;388427][QUOTE=KEM said:
To my mind Heroes managed to create some really good characters, but ultimately they didn't know what to do with them. Those characters really deserved a better, more thought-out plot.
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So... Heroes is television's answer to Cats?[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't get that reference. Is that some sort of in-joke around here? Keep in mind that I'm kinda new here.[/QUOTE]

No in-joke, it's a reference to the fact that all the musical Cats does is introduce characters, with no story to speak of.


#68

Cajungal

Cajungal

Goddamnit, and now the Jellicle Cats song is gonna be stuck up there til I take a power drill to my temple. :wtf:


#69

KEM

KEM

Bowielee;388603][QUOTE=KEM;388535][QUOTE=Soliloquy;388427][QUOTE=KEM said:
To my mind Heroes managed to create some really good characters, but ultimately they didn't know what to do with them. Those characters really deserved a better, more thought-out plot.
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So... Heroes is television's answer to Cats?[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't get that reference. Is that some sort of in-joke around here? Keep in mind that I'm kinda new here.[/QUOTE]

No in-joke, it's a reference to the fact that all the musical Cats does is introduce characters, with no story to speak of.[/QUOTE]Ah, so it's a theater-nerd reference. That does apply pretty well to Heroes Season 2 onward, with plenty of characters wandering in and out with little rhyme or reason.


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