As long as it takes to get someone there for him.N_R is one of the handful of people on here that I have wished I could meet in real life. He has always been one of my favorite posters. He's got a great sense of humor and isn't afraid to tell someone they are absolutely wrong. When he found out about the cancer, he kept his chin up even when things were tough. He planned to live his life rather than to dwell on the end of it. It really said something about his character, imo.
Like Krisken said, I have been lurking on N_R's thread for a few months now just to see how he's been doing. I wish I was able to go to Finland because I would be on a plane asap if I could. How long will you be taking donations?
Villain Decay is what happened to The Shredder from the first couple episodes of the 80's TMNT to - well, what he eventually became. I hesitate to continue to talk about myself in the N_R thread, but I know I've mellowed. I blame a combination of aging, switching to decaf, not having as much free time to post/argue as long as I want, and the love of a good woman.I have to admit, @GasBandit, that I don't think you're nearly as much an asshole as your younger days. I'd never heard the term Villain Decay before, but I think it applies to you.
Of course, I tend to steer clear of the political threads, so I could be completely wrong.
It's almost like you wrote what I was thinking.I'll freely admit that my interactivity with NR hasn't been a whole lot over the years and honestly I don't know why. Mostly because, I guess, we didn't have similar interests nor did he annoy me to get my ire. I've seen his posts over the years and felt a certain level of respect for him as a person and have nothing negative to say about him.
This is a great idea.There's something in Finnish called a suruadressi. These are sympathy cards that are read at the wake. I think it would be nice if we got a bunch. I'm sending one.
Timo Metsälä
Kaivokatu 8 C 48
20500 Turku
Finland
Most definitely. Since the links I found by Googling are all in Finnish, do you know if there is there a cultural protocol to those cards, @Dave?This is a great idea.
It's only US$20. Give it to them with my sympathies.As indicated in the other thread, North_Ranger has passed on. When I responded to NR's father I indicated that we had gathered some money for a visit, and offered to send it to them if it would help with the funeral or other costs associated with his passing.
If you want a refund since it's no longer possible to use the money as intended, please PM me, do not attempt to request a refund through paypal.
If NR's family doesn't want the money then it will be refunded, and you need do nothing.
If I do not hear from you I assume you accept sending your donation to North_Ranger's family if they allow it.
I know what you mean. I'm struggling to hold back the floodgates, this really is hitting me bad.This is hitting me a lot harder than I thought it would. We all knew it was coming, but still...
I gave up holding it back awhile ago. Just let it all out in the privacy of my room.I know what you mean. I'm struggling to hold back the floodgates, this really is hitting me bad.
It's because we are a family, Pez. That's why this hurts so bad. We've had a lot of folks come and go, but this is the first time we've lost a member of our family, and it was one of our best.In a very strange way I consider Halforums to be family. You guys have put up with more of my shit, while still wanting me around, than anyone outside my nuclear family. N_R is a Halforumite; so goodbye my brother, you will be missed.
Perkele.
He's up there planning revenge for every sauna pants joke.
Something involving beer, I just know it.
I remember being so excited that I was in this one. I also completely forgot that I had the NPH avatar.This is when I knew I had become a part of the family, when he drew me about to take a bite out of @Vytamindi 's panda.
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I felt I should have been pantless last night. I had some Finnish vodka in his honour.I suggest every Nov 27th from here to eternity be known as International Sauna Pants Day in remembrance of our friend.
Think I'll watch Shaun of the Dead tonight.To give a longer answer... there is a part of me that fears death. It is for quite a simple reason: Let's be honest here, for most of you folks here (with the obvious exception of @Officer_Charon , for instance [I salute you, sir]), the danger of death is mostly an abstract concept at your stage in life. It's something that will happen, but it's not going to happen anytime soon. For me, it's been a little different ever since the doctors told me the best they can do is try to contain my cancer, and that there might be a point in future where we would have to consider whether it would be better to let the disease take its course or keep taking the meds, even if they cause serious side effects.
In other words, death is not an abstract concept for me. I know I am going to kick the bucket well before turning gray. What I don't know is when that will be. A year from now? Two years? Five? Ten? Twenty? That will all depend on how well I react to treatment, and how long it is viable to keep treating me.
As such... well, I fear death if it comes suddenly, as a result of a new stroke that knocks me out of the game. It is very much unlikely with my current medication, but I know the danger is there. I have considered writing goodbye letters and my last will and testament, but as long as I believe I can remain alive I have postponed such concerns for another day. If there ever is a "you only have X months to live", then I will do such things. Until then, I try to focus on living, or "enlightened hedonism", as I call it. I enjoy good food and drink as much as I am able, partake in movies and video games, and both play and GM a game that I have found to my liking. I know I can't do all the things I used to be able to, but what I can do, I will do as long as I can.
The alternative? Contemplating mortality? Yeah, not gonna happen. Finns are already known for being f***ing melancholic and prone to suicide (I blame the weather, really), so I'll leave that shit to other people. The way I figure, if I kept thinking about death all the time, I would ruin what time I had left. And seeing as it's probably not gonna be one where I get to be a cranky octogenarian, I'd rather do something else, thank you very much.
Now if you'll excuse me, there's a DVD of Shaun of the Dead in my living room along with a bowl of chips, and they're not gonna hold a movie night on their own
Heh. Damn rightMikko was a terrible moderator because he was the nicest human on the planet.
Similar thoughts have wandered through my mind since I heard. It does seem unfair -I mean, what's fair, but, it seems like someone so full of enjoyment, real pleasure in life, to be stricken from it... Is somehow so wrong. I suppose this is just my naive cry of "Where's the justice in that?" in the end, but... where is the justice in that?In my memory there is no HF without him. Of all the ridiculous bullshit in the world, the fact that I'm still around typing this and he is gone has to top the list. He deserved so much more: he earned his place in humanity the way most of us don't, and it's a sick, sick joke that he had to leave.
Can we not? Even though it was in jest, that ongoing joke honestly did bother him. I asked him about it once in private. A large part of it was, because of his deteriorating health, he couldn't go to one of Finland's amazing saunas. So the sauna pants thing rubbed him the wrong way in that case.I suggest every Nov 27th from here to eternity be known as International Sauna Pants Day in remembrance of our friend.
Basically someone posted a while back a picture of these kind of inflatable rubber pants that are supposed to help you loose weight and relax, something akin to sauna on the go.
I went in (as a joke, then) calling them an abomination and an insult to a proper sauna - which, to be honest, I think they are. One is a relaxing, peaceful experience, the other is a marketing gimmick where you look like you're wearing a rubber nappy while cooking your balls. It kinda snowballed from there... and I admit being a little touchy on the matter, since I love going to the sauna - and I can't do that anymore because of my medical condition
In that case, I move for MC Ham Sammich Day.Can we not? Even though it was in jest, that ongoing joke honestly did bother him. I asked him about it once in private. A large part of it was, because of his deteriorating health, he couldn't go to one of Finland's amazing saunas. So the sauna pants thing rubbed him the wrong way in that case.
It was something like that. I just looked for the old private message, but it's not there anymore. Which is weird because I still have other older messages from him.
North_Ranger said:So all in all, another giant serving of crap... but I try and stay positive about it all, and hope for the best.
Exactly what I always found fascinating. His brilliant way to use a language that not only is not his native tongue but one completely different from it.You know one thing I'm going to miss about him? His hilarious way of turning a phrase. I re-read what he had sent me and burst out laughing at "you look like you're wearing a rubber nappy while cooking your balls."
I do not know. I know he wanted to, but man that would have been cutting it close.Does anyone know if he got the chance to see Day of the Doctor or not?
Amen brother.To give a longer answer... there is a part of me that fears death. It is for quite a simple reason: Let's be honest here, for most of you folks here (with the obvious exception of @Officer_Charon , for instance [I salute you, sir]), the danger of death is mostly an abstract concept at your stage in life. It's something that will happen, but it's not going to happen anytime soon. For me, it's been a little different ever since the doctors told me the best they can do is try to contain my cancer, and that there might be a point in future where we would have to consider whether it would be better to let the disease take its course or keep taking the meds, even if they cause serious side effects.
In other words, death is not an abstract concept for me. I know I am going to kick the bucket well before turning gray. What I don't know is when that will be. A year from now? Two years? Five? Ten? Twenty? That will all depend on how well I react to treatment, and how long it is viable to keep treating me.
As such... well, I fear death if it comes suddenly, as a result of a new stroke that knocks me out of the game. It is very much unlikely with my current medication, but I know the danger is there. I have considered writing goodbye letters and my last will and testament, but as long as I believe I can remain alive I have postponed such concerns for another day. If there ever is a "you only have X months to live", then I will do such things. Until then, I try to focus on living, or "enlightened hedonism", as I call it. I enjoy good food and drink as much as I am able, partake in movies and video games, and both play and GM a game that I have found to my liking. I know I can't do all the things I used to be able to, but what I can do, I will do as long as I can.
The alternative? Contemplating mortality? Yeah, not gonna happen. Finns are already known for being f***ing melancholic and prone to suicide (I blame the weather, really), so I'll leave that shit to other people. The way I figure, if I kept thinking about death all the time, I would ruin what time I had left. And seeing as it's probably not gonna be one where I get to be a cranky octogenarian, I'd rather do something else, thank you very much.
Now if you'll excuse me, there's a DVD of Shaun of the Dead in my living room along with a bowl of chips, and they're not gonna hold a movie night on their own
Of course this came on my iPod. Of course it fucking did.
Same here. Probably a little bit from seeing how everyone was so affected by him passing. Some from spending some great time with my family and knowing his won't have that with him any more. And some because I'm sitting here alone again now, my GF and her daughter an hour away, and I don't want that. It makes you think.When I learned of N_R's passing yesterday, I felt very sad, but I didn't cry.
Today I spent a lovely day with my family, ate a whole lot more than I should have, and then sat down to relax at the computer. I checked this thread, listened to the whole video that Chad posted, and wept like a baby.
OK, I thought it was all tongue in cheek outrage, but if it really bothered him, then no.Can we not? Even though it was in jest, that ongoing joke honestly did bother him. I asked him about it once in private. A large part of it was, because of his deteriorating health, he couldn't go to one of Finland's amazing saunas. So the sauna pants thing rubbed him the wrong way in that case.
EDIT: Found it. I asked him what the story was behind the running gag. Here's what he said:
I will support this instead.How about just International Enjoy a Sauna Day?
For what it is worth, and I don't mean to bring up the ban debate (especially here) again, but I never thought of you as a bad guy; maybe you disturbed shit when you should've sat back, but who among us, stones, etc, etc.Alright. I never thought in a million years I would care this much. I said what I said earlier, but while mowing the lawn today (yes, I'm aware it's November 29th), this song popped on my iPod:
And it hit me.
I thought it appropriate to share that, yes, I thought of Mikko. This song is for you. I'm truly sorry for everything that transpired between us, my friend. I will miss you, and I regret not telling you this sooner.
Just to clear the air, I'd like to formally apologize to any and all members of the community that I've slighted in the past. The ones that I think I hit hardest before my ban last year (that come to mind at least) are Nick and LittleSin. I doubt I'll hang around here as much as I used to (or if Dave's going to reenact the ban anytime soon), but for what it's worth, well, there it is.
Hello,
A friend of mine who lives in Finland passed away today, a few hours ago.
Why is this like this? He was happy, he enjoyed living, had fun. He was a teacher, he helped people. He gets cancer, he gets a viral infection, he dies young...
I hate life. I'm miserable. I see emptiness and meaninglessness, I think it's all pointless suffering... but I don't die, I don't get seriously ill.
Why not? Why him, who would have enjoyed continuing to live?
And now what? If I'm right, then he's ... There's nothing left. Oblivion, whatever, he ceases to be. No more pain. In a perverse way I envy that.
And if I'm wrong. There's heaven and hell. If he's not Christian, and Paul goes on about Faith alone, and Jesus says, "and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him," so, what, what? Hell? Hell for him, and eventually hell for me. Wrath of God.
Why is this like this? What is the point?
Dear Leigh,
Sorry for the delay. The reasons are partly medical and partly the struggle I had and sill have how to respond in a way that makes sense and being honest to you and to myself.
I grieve with you over the loss of a friend who had a lot to give and apparently did give. Also the perpetual question: Why him and not me? With the related question: i would have done it differently.
I can speculate forever but it will never be clear of things would be better if my way would have been better. There are umpteen aspects of what happened to your friend and why that will be forever a closed book. And I am convinced that, whatever he believed and whoever he believed in will have been sorted out in his favor. My God is not a bookkeeper or a bean counter. My God has created people to be happy , now and forever, and when it turned out that that in the given circumstances for this person was not possible he solved it by making him happy somewhere else. Oh, I hear the judgments all around: he did not believe we do; he did not acted we expected him to act with his talents, if he he had done this or that it would have turned out differently, etc. Human reasoning. And in your case, a personal friend, who had so much to give, dies unexpectedly, painfully. Was that necessary. I would have done it differently.
I trust that what happened to your friend was the best for him. I even trust that, no matter what all the judges say, that since God has created him to be happy he is happy and sine there so many things I do not know all other considerations and emotions have to be set aside.
Of course I prayed the good God to give me understanding of the why (which I did not get) and for your friend and for you, which I hope is operating, may be slow and without us knowing it (yet). But I will never put the goodness of God on the back burner. Whether I know it or not I am convinced that your friend wants you to be happy and that maybe in due time we will understand some of the why's. In the meantime let us not spoil his happiness by asking questions for which there are at resent no answers and spoil the good memories we have of him. He would want us to use the talents we have to be productive and not waste our time in fruitless speculations.
This my, frien, is the best I can do at the moment. take care
And now I'll address Mathias. When I found out about Mikko I removed the ban and let Mathias know what had happened. He'd known Mikko for years just as we all had, and even though their last interactions weren't always positive, that wasn't always the case. And let's face it, I think we all know now that we're kind of like a family here. There are damned few of you I wouldn't let into my house and those I wouldn't are spammers. But sometimes families fight. And this family also forgives. Let me say right now that the banning was not all Mathias's fault. Some of it was Mikko. They were like brothers who sometimes just couldn't let it go.North_Ranger said:Hello again, guys and gals! And Merry Christmas, Krazy Kwanzaa, Harmonious Hanukkah and Brain-Splattering Qw'ghh'ia'fhugdhh to you all!
Seriously, I'm still at awe about all this. No one's ever done anything even remotely like this to me, and I can't help but smile a little, knowing you all cared so much about my strange, pantsless, non-sequitur-spouting ass to send me a gift that was so thoughtful. Seriously, with all the things going on and some of the 'friends' whose reaction to my current predicament left a sour taste in my mouth... it's more than a little heart-warming to know that even a socially awkward hermit like myself has so many people rooting for me across this big ol' world of ours. You rock, ladies and gents. Ozzy should write a rock ballad for each and every one of you.
I'm not the only one who's impressed, BTW. My mom, bless her heart, has always been more than a little suspicious of you folks over the Internet. When Baerdog came over for a few days this year, she was more than a little worried, you know, over me letting a "stranger" into my home. She told me that when she understood what the Xbox was for and who it was from, she started crying. Openly. She was so overwhelmed with emotion. She even says she's grown less suspicious of the 'net because of you guys. So thank you for making my mom more susceptible to Nigerian princes wanting to send $30 million out of the country, folks
Fade to black, credits.I think... in the summer of 2018, I'll go sit in Svarte Rudolf, and order one pint for myself, and another one "for a friend who is running a bit late".
I have been trying to contact her honestly, but we haven't spoken in a very long time due to her current situation. I've lamented this a few times in the rant threads sadly. I did send her an email and voice mail on this subject though as I know that she and NR were close for a long time.I'm assuming that @Gilgamesh has shared this with Shego. I don't expect her to post or anything, but it's nice to know if she is aware.
First, does anyone want to volunteer to write the obituary? I think @stienman knew him better than anyone (I said I think - if this is wrong I apologize).Dear David and all people in Halforums,
Thank you very much messages in forum sharing our sorrow.
We are reading these with my wife, Mikko's mother, really touched us to tears.
We have not been fully understand the sense and power of your community as Mikko's "family". Now we understand that and also the process of his illness with you - as a therapy and spirit.
Mikko's funeral will be held on Saturday 21. December at 12:30 Finnish time.
That day is also winter solstice. The Meaning of day was important to Mikko.
We have three wishes to you:
1) we hope yours obituary of Mikko. You or someone who have been familiar with him and his activity on forum during last years - during over ten years, will write it. We will present it after funeral - remenberance.
We would be happy, if we may get from your forum:
2) putting together - collection of moved messages in Hall of Flame ,
Thread of Mikko's messages how his cancer - going on
Important to us how he processed that with you.
3) after you informed other Halforumites - there is lot of participaiting messages - those we have readed.
May you collect those into document file for us.
How you want us to present Halforum's condolences during Mikko's funeral.
We shall be very glad to present it.
Yours
Leila and Timo Metsälä
I'd like to add some personalized messages that have the region of the speaker, and I'd like it to be as varying as possible. Like "Dave from Omaha, Nebraska in the US said..." and this would show everyone there how he touched a lot of lives not just in his area but around the world.The internet is a wonderful thing, and one of its greatest wonders--at least to our little online group--is that it brought Mikko, a man who lived half a world away, into our lives. He part of our digital family from the beginning and, as it grew, he became something more: our heart and our conscience. He was thoughtful. He was patient. He was kind. He was the best of us, and it is a sad, sad joke that he is the first to go.
But he will be remembered; for his good will, for his smile and heart, for his quiet strength. Above all, he will be remembered for the lives he has touched and the good he has wrought. He taught so many of us the concept of a community and to measure our words in kindness and understanding. He lived with laughter, whether at himself or with others, and in so doing helped some of us mend ourselves in difficult times. And, while he was a giant of a man, nobody was ever beneath him--he loved, and was loved by, everyone he spoke to.
Baer knows. I contacted him as soon as I found out.Also, @Baerdog, who actually met Mikko.
Please post them here. I know his parents or siblings are using his account to poke around and read what we are writing about Mikko. Let them see them all, even if I don't put it in the final message.The eulogy is beautiful. If we have a personalized message, should we pm you, @Dave?
Absolutely. I did my best to let those who are no longer visiting here every day and I'm still in contact with know the sad news.Cool, man. Thanks!
Given that the final disposition of the funds has changed since we started accepting donations, PM me if you'd like your donation returned before we close donations.Stienman and I both think it would be a good idea to give the money to Mikko's parents to use for a holiday somewhere.
There is a minor typo in the second sentence of the eulogy. It says, "He part of our digital family...". It's missing "was", I think.Thoughts or suggestions for edits on the eulogy are welcomed.
Dear David and peoples in Halforum
Thank you very much all of yours parttaking messages in our deep sorrow.
Funerals will be held on Saturday 21 December in Resurrection Chapel in Turku
https://www.turunseurakunnat.fi/portal/en/churches_and_chapels/the_resurrection_chapel_in_turku/
Is it ok, that we will lay on behalf of you the memorial flovers on Mikko's grave.
If it is acceptable, please send by e-mail to us the farewell words (sentence) and how we sign the card with flowers.
If you have any hopes for us, please tell.
Yours Leila and Timo
If there are any problems in getting the translation done, let me know. I'm no poet, but I speak Finnish.Just found out a lady I work with is Finnish and speaks it fluently. She's going to be translating for us.
I think you should't worry about not thinking of anything that hasn't been said before. If you want to write something, I think you should just think of how you feel and then write something, and the result, even if it's not great prose, will still be a nice homage to a friend.Y'know, I'd love to add something, but I realyl can't think of anything intelligent that hasn't been said yet and/or can't put my feelings in words.
Then quit being adorable.Fourth'd even though he and @Denbrought tried to kidnap me in Barcelona
I should post a current pic, not sure this beard makes me adorable...Sixth @Silver Jelly[DOUBLEPOST=1386713443,1386713416][/DOUBLEPOST]
Then quit being adorable.
/victimblaming
Can't kidnap the willing, handsome ;3Fourth'd even though he and @Denbrought tried to kidnap me in Barcelona
"Fluffy", "adorable", "soft", "rugged", "helpless", "masculin", "wise",... are all still sound reasons for abduction, FYI.I should post a current pic, not sure this beard makes me adorable...
Basically, they ordered flowers in our name to be placed on the grave, which I feel is a wonderful thing for them to have done. We still don't know how to get them the money we raised. I'm hoping @stienman has some ideas.Dear David,
All emails have received ok. Thank you very much your huge work of collection.
Mikko's friend will translate the eulogy and rememberances to finnish.
Have you the memorial words for flowers onto grave?
Flowers, red roses with white eustomas from you, are ordered.
Yours Timo
The reason I thought some might be upset was because my name is on it, but nobody else's. I did it this way for a couple of reasons. I tried to just put Halforums or Halforums.com as the signature, but that looked too corporate or cookie cutter. I also tried it with a list of names, but as they were going on flowers I didn't think I should put on that many - but then people would be left off. So I did simple and personal and I apologize if you feel it should have been done differently.[DOUBLEPOST=1387313400,1387313321][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh, and even though the threads are available here, I do have all of the ones I sent to Timo in pdf form. Let me know if you want a copy or if you think I should paste them in a thread here. It's quite a lot.For Mikko, who was loved by so many around the world. Rest well, my friend, until we meet again.
Love,
David and the rest at Halforums
The document has pictures of both the memorial and the gravesite in Turku. And just when I thought I was finished crying, he said the priest sang this.Timo said:Dear David,
included document consists of Mikko's funeral and memorial service.
You can use it all or part of it for information Halforums's members.
We hope, that included links and pictures work properly.
We are very grateful all of your work to collect threads.
If you want something that we can do for you -- please do not hesitate to ask it.
Regards Timo and Leila
Same, man.Much obliged, Dave.
Fuck... now _I'M_ crying again. I've pulled into a damned back alley and I'm weeping like a little kid again.
Oh damn... something's in my eye.Moved back to General for a short time. I just received a message from Mikko's dad, Timo. He sent a document about the funeral which I have attached for download. It's about 17 MB so it's kind of big. I'll reiterate what it says here.
The document has pictures of both the memorial and the gravesite in Turku. And just when I thought I was finished crying, he said the priest sang this.
Dear David,
We, Mikko's parents, have understood, that you, Halforumites, have collected money for cost to make a visit to Mikko.
Now when situation is changed, you are desired to give those moneys to us on Mikko's memorial.
We have talked about the matter and we will accept to receive the donated funds very humble and feeling grateful to all of you.
Last past two years are gone as you write on your messages and now we must continue our own life together. It will be - "before and after". We must be grateful all of those 30 years and live with the memories. Mikko will be always in our minds.
If you David or someone Mikko's well-knowing HFmite sometime in the future will visit Finland and Turku, do not hesitate to contact us by email or phone, we want to be your host as Mikko.
Regards to you and all members at Halforums
Leila and Timo
Well done, folks.Hi,
we have received funds from you
USD 1 955,00+
CURRENCY RATE 1,3708000
EUR 1426.17+
Date 23.01.2014
We are very pleased and grateful
Thank you very much.
Leila and Timo Metsälä