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NYPD run down a petty thief with their car, charge grieving mother for the dent

Oct 7, 2012#1

Charlie Don't Surf

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...son-article-1.1175484?localLinksEnabled=false

THE POLICE ARE KEEPING US SAFER

Oct 7, 2012#2

Gilgamesh

Oct 7, 2012#3

Frank

Charlie Don't Surf said:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...son-article-1.1175484?localLinksEnabled=false

THE POLICE ARE KEEPING US SAFER

You know, I'm not defending the actions in that article, but I hope you one day get your dream of a world without police.

Oct 7, 2012#4

Charlie Don't Surf

Frank said:
You know, I'm not defending the actions in that article, but I hope you one day get your dream of a world without police.

Note: I have never said nor thought that having no police is better in any way whatsoever

Oct 7, 2012#5

Espy

If you don't have police then you can't fuck them.

Fuck the City Sanitation Worker just doesn't have the same ring.

Oct 7, 2012#6

Ravenpoe

Espy said:
If you don't have police then you can't fuck them.

Fuck the City Sanitation Worker just doesn't have the same ring.

But they know how to get dirty.

Oct 7, 2012#7

Charlie Don't Surf

I want a better police force that makes the country a safer place instead of one that just makes the prison industry rich.

Oct 7, 2012#8

Frank

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I want a better police force that makes the country a safer place instead of one that just makes the prison industry rich.

Totally right, that's generally the police's fault and not the lawmakers your (and my) country vote into power.

Oct 7, 2012#9

DarkAudit

Fuck you, charlie. Just fuck you.

Oct 7, 2012#10

Charlie Don't Surf

"The Police" means the whole institution, not every individual police officer. The toxic culture in law enforcement isn't made by the people on the ground.

That being said, back on topic, the guy that ran over that young man is probably a shitty person.

Oct 7, 2012#11

bhamv3

Charlie Don't Surf said:
That being said, back on topic, the guy that ran over that young man is probably a shitty person.

Yes, and the fact that he was wearing a badge and a uniform and was driving a police car at the time doesn't change the fact that he's a shitty person, and that his shittiness does not reflect upon the rest of the police force or the other police officers. No more than an accountant who goes crazy and shoots up his workplace should reflect poorly upon other accountants, or a guy who wears a baseball cap while downloading child porn should reflect poorly upon other people who wear baseball caps. Sometimes you get bad people, in all walks of life.

Charging the mom for the repairs though, that's pretty shitty too.

Oct 8, 2012#12

T

The_Khan

bhamv3 said:
Yes, and the fact that he was wearing a badge and a uniform and was driving a police car at the time doesn't change the fact that he's a shitty person, and that his shittiness does not reflect upon the rest of the police force or the other police officers. No more than an accountant who goes crazy and shoots up his workplace should reflect poorly upon other accountants, or a guy who wears a baseball cap while downloading child porn should reflect poorly upon other people who wear baseball caps. Sometimes you get bad people, in all walks of life.

Charging the mom for the repairs though, that's pretty shitty too.

or just because one Asian guy in a pool wears swimming goggles doesn't mean all Asians in pools wear swimming goggles.

Oct 8, 2012#13

Gilgamesh

This The_Khan guy is hilarious. Can we keep him?

Oct 8, 2012#14

T

The_Khan

Gilgamesh said:
This The_Khan guy is hilarious. Can we keep him?

Oct 8, 2012#15

Gilgamesh

The_Khan said:
No

Oct 8, 2012#16

bhamv3

The_Khan said:
or just because one Asian guy in a pool wears swimming goggles doesn't mean all Asians in pools wear swimming goggles.

Exactly!

Of course, all Asians in swimming pools do indeed wear goggles, but the fact remains that the logical leap from "one guy wearing goggles" to "all wear goggles" is invalid.

And yes, this means if you see a goggle-less Asian guy in a swimming pool, it's clearly a spy in a (poor) disguise, and you should call the appropriate authorities immediately.

Oct 8, 2012#17

T

The_Khan

Gilgamesh said:

come on baby, if you keep trolling me like this, I might just have to stalk you on facebook.[DOUBLEPOST=1349677210][/DOUBLEPOST]

bhamv3 said:
Exactly!

Of course, all Asians in swimming pools do indeed wear goggles, but the fact remains that the logical leap from "one guy wearing goggles" to "all wear goggles" is invalid.

And yes, this means if you see a goggle-less Asian guy in a swimming pool, it's clearly a spy in a (poor) disguise, and you should call the appropriate authorities immediately.

God when swimming pools look the way they do in China you better be wearing goggles. You might not want to go into the pool even. When in 8 hours a 3km stretch of beach can have 50 tonnes of garbage dropped on it, maybe stay away from the beach as well.

Oct 8, 2012#18

Zappit

Frank said:
You know, I'm not defending the actions in that article, but I hope you one day get your dream of a world without police.

Isn't that Somalia?

Oct 8, 2012#19

Dave

There is just way too much information that is missing from this article. Under what circumstances was the guy hit? Did he run out in front of the car? Was the hitting deliberate or was it just dark and the guy was hard to see? Without this information, a "fuck the police" attitude is just as ludicrous as a "he was a stupid criminal and got what he deserved" type that we see in the comments. Witnesses say he was run down on purpose but the same article says, "At the time of his death, Robinson worked at a Connecticut muffin shop in Fort Greene, but also tried to make extra money hawking items, including the paving stones, to scrap dealers, his mother said." So I would say the article is biased towards the victim and not exactly a viable source. Hell, even the headline is yellow journalism and inflammatory.

So I'm withholding judgement on the whole thing.

Oct 8, 2012#20

sixpackshaker

Or you know, DON'T BREAK THE FREAKING LAW!

Oct 8, 2012#21

Charlie Don't Surf

sixpackshaker said:
Or you know, DON'T BREAK THE FREAKING LAW!

lmao, yes someone stealing paving stones from a rich dude's lawn deserves to get murdered with a motor vehicle

Oct 8, 2012#22

Ravenpoe

sixpackshaker said:
Or you know, DON'T BREAK THE FREAKING LAW!

I don't carry the same anti-police feelings that Charlie does, but I find this to be a very dangerous, dismissive attitude.

Oct 8, 2012#23

Dave

Charlie Don't Surf said:
lmao, yes someone stealing paving stones from a rich dude's lawn deserves to get murdered with a motor vehicle

My point - you are both right. He shouldn't have been stealing, but that's not a death sentence.

Oct 8, 2012#24

sixpackshaker

I bet he was alive when he was asked to surrender.

Oct 8, 2012#25

Charlie Don't Surf

sixpackshaker said:
I bet he was alive when he was asked to surrender.

you do realize it's insanely illegal for the police to shoot someone in the back that is fleeing right?

I mean they'll never get convicted since it's an accident and everyone running from the police that gets shot reaches into their pocket for a gun (that they never have) AND they'd never get convicted because of the BLUE WALL CODE OF SILENCE SUPPORT OUR BOYS

Oct 8, 2012#26

sixpackshaker

Ain't that a great system?

Oct 8, 2012#27

Charlie Don't Surf

sixpackshaker said:
Ain't that a great system?

Charlie Don't Surf said:
you do realize it's insanely illegal for the police to shoot someone in the back that is fleeing right

it is a great system for murderers getting free, yeah

Oct 8, 2012#28

Frank

Charlie Don't Surf said:
you do realize it's insanely illegal for the police to shoot someone in the back that is fleeing right?

I mean they'll never get convicted since it's an accident and everyone running from the police that gets shot reaches into their pocket for a gun (that they never have) AND they'd never get convicted because of the BLUE WALL CODE OF SILENCE SUPPORT OUR BOYS

This is something you'll never understand.

Oct 8, 2012#29

Charlie Don't Surf

Frank said:
This is something you'll never understand.

because I'm not in the trenches?

Oct 8, 2012#30

Bowielee

Charlie Don't Surf said:
because I'm not in the trenches?

My father was a police officer, and I know FOR A FACT that if a suspect reaches into their pocket, you are trained to assume it is to reach for a weapon. That's basic safety.

I find your readiness to automatically assume that the police are always at fault without any supporting evidence to be extremely tedious.

Oct 8, 2012#31

Dave

Charlie Don't Surf said:
because I'm not in the trenches?

Basically, yes. And I'm not trying to devalue your opinions, but you are coming from a very biased viewpoint diametrically opposed to a few of the people here. Your always assuming to police are in the wrong is just as wrong as those who say the police are always right. What you fail to understand is that there are a lot of bad people out there who are able to lie straight to your face while saying they didn't hit that person or steal that item. And when it comes down to a split-second decision that could be the difference between your wife getting a call in the night or being able to go home to her yourself, well...each situation is different.

The blue wall exists because of group dynamics and a shared understanding that any action is scrutinized intensely by those who want nothing more than to find fault with what you did. Lawyers salivate at being able to sue a municipality. News crews love the story a bad situation brings. Those with agendas against the police or military take these individual instances and blow them out of proportion. Thousands of clean arrests/tickets? Doesn't matter, look at this one that went terribly wrong!!

So what happens? Circle the wagons, throw up the blue wall. Protect those with whom you share a common bond.

Is the blue wall a bad thing? It sure can be. But let's be clear on this - WE are just as responsible for it as those who use it to shield themselves from scrutiny.

Oct 8, 2012#32

Covar

I would like to thank Charlie for filling the gapping hole created by Le Quack's absense.

Oct 8, 2012#33

Charlie Don't Surf

My sarcastic tone and run on sentence kind of obscured what I meant above, and I'm sorry.

If someone running from the cops reaches into their pocket - the police should shoot them, and that is 100% justified and I will never attack a police officer if this happened.

Oct 8, 2012#34

Bowielee

Fun fact of the day.

Innocent until proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt applies as much to police officers as it does to regular citizens.

For someone who rails against racial, sexual, and religious profiling, your willingness to assume the worst of anyone of a certain group of people is ironic on a scale that baffles me.

Oct 8, 2012#35

Charlie Don't Surf

Bowielee said:
Innocent until proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt applies as much to police officers as it does to regular citizens..

I would fucking love for police officers to go to a criminal trial more often and have them get proven innocent!

Oct 8, 2012#36

Zappit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I would fucking love for police officers to go to a criminal trial more often and have them get proven innocent!

Rodney King!

Oct 8, 2012#37

Norris

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I would fucking love for police officers to go to a criminal trial more often and have them get proven innocent!

...Pet peeve: No one is "proven innocent", except in those cases where wrongful convictions are overturned due to new evidence that rules them out as a suspect much less a perpetrator. The phrase you're looking for is "not guilty". The distinction is important because "innocent" means that you didn't do it and "not guilty" might mean that they simply couldn't prove you did it (See: O.J. Simpson).

Oct 8, 2012#38

SpecialKO

Actually, since we're talking about the NYPD, I'm leaning towards agreeing with Charlie, at least in terms of increased scrutiny and a transparent investigation.

I'm not calling all, or even most of, the members of NYPD trigger-happy or corrupt, but there is a long history of abusive behavior tied to the NYPD. This is a police force that came out of the bad old days by literally outnumbering the bad guys with force one block at a time, and as a result, overwhelming police power is part of their organizational DNA.

The officers involved here should absolutely get their day in court. But before that, the process that determines whether they need their day in court in the first place has to be transparent.

Oct 8, 2012#39

Sparhawk

Charlie Don't Surf said:
lmao, yes someone stealing paving stones from a rich dude's lawn deserves to get murdered with a motor vehicle

Might want to read the article closer Charlie, he was stealing from his neighbors, his own housing unit. The article is still missing many important elements as to the circumstances of how he was hit.

Oct 9, 2012#40

GasBandit

Seems to me communities generally end up with the police they deserve. Perhaps the true sentiment here should not be "F da police," but rather "F New York."

Oct 9, 2012#41

blotsfan

Sparhawk said:
Might want to read the article closer Charlie, he was stealing from his neighbors, his own housing unit. The article is still missing many important elements as to the circumstances of how he was hit.

Not that it matters. Stealing from rich people is still bad.

Oct 9, 2012#42

Covar

blotsfan said:
Not that it matters. Stealing from rich people is still bad.

No it's not, everyone knows only poor people and minorities can be wronged. Everyone else deserves what they get!

Oct 9, 2012#43

sixpackshaker

Sparhawk said:
Might want to read the article closer Charlie, he was stealing from his neighbors, his own housing unit. The article is still missing many important elements as to the circumstances of how he was hit.

Thieves are why the poor can't have nice things...

Oct 9, 2012#44

Charlie Don't Surf

eat the rich

Oct 9, 2012#45

GasBandit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
eat the rich

Yeah, but I can only take one bite, and then I have to spit out the rest.

Oct 9, 2012#46

Bowielee

GasBandit said:
Yeah, but I can only take one bite, and then I have to spit out the rest.

I can take one bite now and come back for more.

Oct 10, 2012#47

bhamv3

anne-hathaway-selina-kyle-catwoman-the-dark-knight-rises.jpg

There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us.

Oct 10, 2012#48

GasBandit

bhamv3 said:
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There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us.

Big words from somebody UNDER MY BUMPER. I'll sue your mother for damage to said bumper, too, btw.

Oct 10, 2012#49

bhamv3

I refuse to believe anyone would do something as heartless as running down a woman as hot as Anne Hathaway.

Oct 10, 2012#50

Terrik

bhamv3 said:
I refuse to believe anyone would do something as heartless as running down a woman as hot as Anne Hathaway.

Oh yeah? Well I refuse to believe you refuse to believe.

Oct 10, 2012#51

bhamv3

Terrik said:
Oh yeah? Well I refuse to believe you refuse to believe.

Oh YEAH??? Well I refuse to believe you're actually refusing to believe my refusal to believe. I think it's more likely you DO believe I believe what I believe, but actually refuse to admit you believe I believe my set of beliefs. I refuse to believe that someone would refuse to believe my beliefs are validly believed. I simply refuse.

Oct 10, 2012#52

Terrik

bhamv3 said:
Oh YEAH??? Well I refuse to believe you're actually refusing to believe my refusal to believe. I think it's more likely you DO believe I believe what I believe, but actually refuse to admit you believe I believe my set of beliefs. I refuse to believe that someone would refuse to believe my beliefs are validly believed. I simply refuse.

Oct 10, 2012#53

Yoshimickster

I know a guy is dead and should feel sad, but the first thought that came to my mind was "Wow...corrupt police. What a shocker." First thing to go when I conquerate the world: The entire Police system.

Oct 10, 2012#54

Shakey

Yoshimickster said:
I know a guy is dead and should feel sad, but the first thought that came to my mind was "Wow...corrupt police. What a shocker." First thing to go when I conquerate the world: The entire Police system.

Oct 11, 2012#55

Tress

Yoshimickster said:
I know a guy is dead and should feel sad, but the first thought that came to my mind was "Wow...corrupt police. What a shocker." First thing to go when I conquerate the world: The entire Police system.

Good luck with that.

Oct 11, 2012#56

Yoshimickster

Tress said:
Good luck with that.

Thank you! Will definitely be hard, need weapons, the dark forces, zines, loyal followers( I could easily get stupid minions but I've seen how that turns out) and a trans-dimensional hyper walrus. I know, why do I bother expecting a popular zine to come out of this? Well I guess I'm a dreamer.

Oct 11, 2012#57

Ravenpoe

Yoshimickster said:
I know a guy is dead and should feel sad, but the first thought that came to my mind was "Wow...corrupt police. What a shocker." First thing to go when I conquerate the world: The entire Police system.

If you're conquering, wouldn't they go before?

Oct 11, 2012#58

bhamv3

Ravenpoe said:
If you're conquering, wouldn't they go before?

Not if he conquers through bloodless means.

Like when I conquer the world, I'm going to infect the world water supply with a toxin, and then withhold the antidote until everyone surrenders.

Did I say "when?" I meant "if." Yeah.

Oct 11, 2012#59

Yoshimickster

Ravenpoe said:
If you're conquering, wouldn't they go before?

The conquests before I conquer the world count as me conquering the world...I think. The wording is confusing there I'll admit.

For policemen I wouldn't KILL all of them, I would...review them. Search through the ones that are truly earnest and the ones that use the badge for evil purposes...will not be missed. Yeeeeeeeeeeees.

Oct 11, 2012#60

sixpackshaker

If you are all evil and shit, wouldn't you kill the majority of cops and only keep the few corrupt ones?

Oct 11, 2012#61

SpecialKO

No, no, he's only recruiting Lawful Evil. :awesome:

Oct 11, 2012#62

GasBandit

Rarely a day goes by where I don't wonder what kind of brain deficiency somebody has to have to live in New York City.

Here's another fun NYPD link, ya feckin mutt.

Oct 11, 2012#63

sixpackshaker

GasBandit said:
Rarely a day goes by where I don't wonder what kind of brain deficiency somebody has to have to live in New York City.

Here's another fun NYPD link, ya feckin mutt.

So the cops know the kid's dad, so they are f*cking with the kid? Asshole behavior, but not racial profiling.

Oct 11, 2012#64

SpecialKO

Stop & Frisk is an abomination in general, and made particularly fucking stupid by the fact that NYC's crime rate is actually quite low.

Oct 11, 2012#65

Tress

I'm amazed it hasn't been smacked down by the courts yet. It's blatantly unconstitutional.

Oct 11, 2012#66

SpecialKO

Tress said:
I'm amazed it hasn't been smacked down by the courts yet. It's blatantly unconstitutional.

The problem is there is a lot of support for the program from older (as in residents trend older) more affluent neighborhoods who remember what NYC was like before 1990 and associate the drop in crime rate with things like stop & frisk. And since the program is oriented around impoverished neighborhoods with historically higher rates of crime, the racism/profiling angle is much harder to prove.

Oct 11, 2012#67

Tress

SpecialKO said:
The problem is there is a lot of support for the program from older (as in residents trend older) more affluent neighborhoods who remember what NYC was like before 1990 and associate the drop in crime rate with things like stop & frisk. And since the program is oriented around impoverished neighborhoods with historically higher rates of crime, the racism/profiling angle is much harder to prove.

Yeah, but public support doesn't change the fact that this law would get tossed out by a court on constitutional grounds. I see in the article they mention pending legal challenges, so I imagine that exact thing will happen in the next few months.

Oct 11, 2012#68

Yoshimickster

sixpackshaker said:
If you are all evil and shit, wouldn't you kill the majority of cops and only keep the few corrupt ones?

Not completely evil, kind-of like good evil. Basically I would conquerate the world for the betterment of the world.

Oct 11, 2012#69

SpecialKO

Tress said:
Yeah, but public support doesn't change the fact that this law would get tossed out by a court on constitutional grounds. I see in the article they mention pending legal challenges, so I imagine that exact thing will happen in the next few months.

It doesn't change whatever the court result would be, but it absolutely affects what gets in line first, especially at the federal level. We can hope that change is coming soon, but there have been lawsuits around stop & frisk at varying levels for years.

Oct 11, 2012#70

Charlie Don't Surf

please don't associate myself with yoshimickster's views

Oct 11, 2012#71

Yoshimickster

Charlie Don't Surf said:
please don't associate myself with yoshimickster's views

That'd be best since if Operation "Stuff World" doesn't work, it'll hit down hard.

Oct 11, 2012#72

GasBandit

Yoshimickster said:
Not completely evil, kind-of like good evil. Basically I would conquerate the world for the betterment of the world.

You know who else thought they were conquerating the world for its betterment?

Oct 11, 2012#73

Yoshimickster

GasBandit said:
You know who else thought they were conquerating the world for its betterment?

I am not Ozymandias! If I were to kill, it would only be specific people who I deem truly deserve it. This wouldn't be some killing on the fly shit either, I would inspect every aspect of them.

Oct 11, 2012#74

GasBandit

Yoshimickster said:
I am not Ozymandias! If I were to kill, it would only be specific people who I deem truly deserve it. This wouldn't be some killing on the fly shit either, I would inspect every aspect of them.

Actually... I wasn't referring to Ozymandias.

I would have thought the reference to be so obvious as to be trite, but...

Oct 11, 2012#75

Yoshimickster

GasBandit said:
Actually... I wasn't referring to Ozymandias.

I would have thought the reference to be so obvious as to be trite, but...

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I was half joking with the Ozymandias thing there, but I'm not Hittler either. I do not love or hate people because of race, I hate or love them for who they truly are.

Oct 11, 2012#76

SpecialKO

...Did GB just get successfully trolled? :Leyla:

Oct 11, 2012#77

Yoshimickster

SpecialKO said:
...Did GB just get successfully trolled?

I know, I'm scared too!

Oct 11, 2012#78

GasBandit

What are you two blithering about? "You know who else _fill in the blank_? The Nazis" is a time-worn gag.

Oct 11, 2012#79

Yoshimickster

GasBandit said:
What are you two blithering about? "You know who else _fill in the blank_? The Nazis" is a time-worn gag.

And I did the opposite of the expected punch-line. HOORAY!

Oct 11, 2012#80

GasBandit

Yoshimickster said:
And I did the opposite of the expected punch-line. HOORAY!

Yeah, but with you sometimes it's hard to tell if the obliviousness is feigned or intentional :cool:

Oct 11, 2012#81

Yoshimickster

GasBandit said:
Yeah, but with you sometimes it's hard to tell if the obliviousness is feigned or intentional

That's what keeps the mystery of the Mickster alive baby.

Oct 11, 2012#82

GasBandit

Yoshimickster said:
That's what keeps the mystery of the Mickster alive baby.

.. Ok, self-deprecating humor gets you a pass, but if you really wanted the brass ring you should have said "Isn't that what everybody always says about you?"

Oct 11, 2012#83

Yoshimickster

GasBandit said:
.. Ok, self-deprecating humor gets you a pass, but if you really wanted the brass ring you should have said "Isn't that what everybody always says about you?"

Dammit that would have been better. Though insulting myself is one of my strong suits. And yet I still have high self-esteem!

Oct 12, 2012#84

@Li3n

Gilgamesh said:
This The_Khan guy is hilarious. Can we keep him?

Only if you feed him and throw out his poop...

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