[NHL] Off Season- draft, trades, rumours, withdrawl support

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checkeredhat

checkeredhat

I dunno, they may not be such a laugh next season. Top 6 are looking pretty good. Not amazing, but pretty good.

Eriksson- 26G 45A 71PTS
Benn- 26G 37A 63PTS
Ryder 35G 27A 62PTS

Whitney- 24G 53A 77PTS
Roy- 17 G 27A 44PTS
Jagr- 19G 35A 54PTS

While the wait on Zach Parise continues:
 
jwhouk

jwhouk

God, if Parise AND Suter end up in Minnesota... I'll officially wonder if Leipold has gone off the deep end.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Yeah, that announcement seemed to hit like, RIGHT after the Suter one, or I'd have mentioned that.

Man, two $98 million dollar 13 year contracts....Crazy.

Minnesota's looking pretty good for next year.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

They now have 3 of the top 10 cap hits in Parise, Suter and Heatley and are paying $6M in cap space to the 29th ranked goalie in the league...but all is not crazy! They have Suter! One of the best defencemen men in the game today! So now they have a defenceman, they just need 5 to 6 more...
 
Vrii

Vrii

I'd guess that there's probably a connection between their team goalie stats and the list of players who made up their D last year. Also keep in mind that they were on a hell of a roll to start last year before injuries hit; I don't know how good this makes them, but to suggest that they aren't a good team is pretty ridiculous, I think.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

That's actually my point, the NHL has become an injury league now. You put all your eggs in one basket, don't expect to go far.
 
Vrii

Vrii

HCGLNS said:
That's actually my point, the NHL has become an injury league now. You put all your eggs in one basket, don't expect to go far.
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Parity!

But seriously, the choices are to sign a couple stars and hope you're lucky with injuries (especially in the playoffs) or spread your money around, try to do without the superstars, and hope that every other team you come up against is unlucky. I think Nashville were the closest thing to a balanced team who could compete with everyone, and they just lost a big part of their D and are set to lose another next year.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

I like that they sorta agreed to go to a home town team, but neither has yet to show that they deserve that kind of cash. It does address some the two key areas Minnesota needed to address. Sadly by adding Parise, they go from 30th place in goals scored to 29th place in goals scored. Hope they have a good farm team though.
 
Vrii

Vrii

I'm guessing there's a (really big) hope that adding Parise makes Heatley start caring/trying/at least putting in the one-timer goals he used to. It should help that they aren't completely dependent on Koivu anymore, too.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

Heatley :facepalm:
From 50 goals to 40 to 30 to almost 20 goals a season now, he definitely is not worth $7.5M a year.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

Hmm, my irony sense is tiggling...

yes, it's telling me Kyle Wellwood will sign with the Leafs for $1M
 
jwhouk

jwhouk

Favre.

It's Favre, all over again.

They'll do well, get to the conference championship - and lose.

Then, two years of absolute suckitude, probably involving injuries.

Then, of course, Leipold will try to sell the team to someone who'll move them to Quebec.

Or Atlanta.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Oh I'm not saying they'll be cup contenders next year, nor am I saying long term it's a good deal (It's not. Anythin longer than 5years is a major gamble), but the team looks pretty good right now. I think they'll have a good season next year.

I pretty much think it'll go just as jwhouk predicted, good season, lose in the playoffs, then realize they shot themselves in the foot. Except I don't think they'll move them to Quebec, especially not that soon. When Bettman's fighting tooth and nail to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix, and with the hassle that was getting the Thrashers out of Atlanta, I don't see it happening.
 
jwhouk

jwhouk

Well, yeah, that's because the Yotes will already be in QC by that time :rolleyes:

I do predict that Craig Leipold will not own the Wild by the time those contracts expire.
 
Vrii

Vrii

I think realistically if this results in them making the playoffs consistently, maybe pushing to the second/third round every now and then, and further solidifies their fan base, this is a big win for the Wild. I don't think they have the depth on their roster to challenge for a Cup, but I don't think that was the expectation with just the two signings. If over the next couple years they can work in some of their prospects, make some good signings for say, a #2 D, an upgrade or two on the second line, and maybe unload Heatley for someone who gives the slightest shit about his performance, they could be a legit threat to win.

Overall, getting both of these players long term should be a big, big win for their franchise.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

jwhouk said:
Well, yeah, that's because the Yotes will already be in QC by that time :rolleyes:
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It'd be so nice to have the Nordiques back. I have no idea why Bettman is so friggin stubborn to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix. It's failed. Again and again it's failed.
It sucks for the fans that are there, but those fans aren't enough to carry that team, as has been proven every year since they first moved there. Pick up and move to Quebec City, it'll be easier on the whole league.
 
jwhouk

jwhouk

The problem in Glendale is NIMBY/BANANA politics - not only "Not in MY back yard" but "Build absolutely NOTHING ANYWHERE near ANYBODY".

People like Goldwater Institute's "policy wonks" want nothing more than to turn the clock back to when Arizona was nothing more than desert and sand.
 
Silent Bob

Silent Bob

checkeredhat said:
Yeah, that announcement seemed to hit like, RIGHT after the Suter one, or I'd have mentioned that.

Man, two $98 million dollar 13 year contracts....Crazy.

Minnesota's looking pretty good for next year.
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Both him and Parise held the NHL hostage for four days and now this!

Talk about pissing your prospects of a Stanley Cup away so your fiance can spend your money at the Mall of America.
 
blotsfan

blotsfan

I wonder how the contracts work. I know that teams aren't allowed to put bs years at the end of contracts if it takes them past when they'll be 38
 
B

BErt

It's just...

I just...

I...

Minnesota?

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Ok, but seriously, congratulations to them. But still WOW
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

blotsfan said:
I wonder how the contracts work. I know that teams aren't allowed to put bs years at the end of contracts if it takes them past when they'll be 38
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I saw a breakdown of it, it is definitely the kind of thing that just poops on the current CBA and will probably be one of the main negotiation points coming up with the new one.
Edit: Here we are.
$12M next two seasons, then $11M, followed by five years at $9M. Last five years are: 8, 6, 2, 1, 1.
 
blotsfan

blotsfan

Can you show me the link? I remember last year people said the Sabres signing of Erhoff wasn't allowed and it basically only was because he'll be 37 when it expires and not 38.

Edit: ah ok thanks. Yeah, I think the Parise one will not be ok because when he's 38 theres gonna be a greater than 50% decrease in the salary. Since Suter is a year younger I'm pretty sure his will be ok. Wouldn't surprise me if the NHL voids the Parise contract like they did Kovalchuk's.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

blotsfan said:
Can you show me the link? I remember last year people said the Sabres signing of Erhoff wasn't allowed and it basically only was because he'll be 37 when it expires and not 38.

Edit: ah ok thanks. Yeah, I think the Parise one will not be ok because when he's 38 theres gonna be a greater than 50% decrease in the salary. Since Suter is a year younger I'm pretty sure his will be ok. Wouldn't surprise me if the NHL voids the Parise contract like they did Kovalchuk's.
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Didn't I hotlink it?
Oh well.
Twitter, but it's Elliotte Friedman from Hockey Night in Canada, so it's at least somewhat reputable:
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/220587477419831296

Also Capgeek:
Suter: http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1044
Parise: http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=773

Also, here is something interesting. Suter and Parise are both 27, with 13 year contracts.
Here is every player who was 27 13 years ago.
Combined goals for last season? Zero.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/pla...t&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=ps
 
Silent Bob

Silent Bob

Most players play NHL hockey to win eternal glory by having their name etched onto the fabled Stanley Cup. Zach Parise and Ryan Suter would rather play out mediocre careers, and sell a few jerseys with their names on the back.

Cripes! Suter would have been the perfect Lindstrom replacement; that team is virtually three years away from rebuilding itself into a playoffs powerhouse. He'd be the next big thing in Detroit since Osgood. Parise would have helped the Penguins immensely as well as bolster his career. He could have been the next Jagr/Recchi/Hossa for the Penguins. His popularity would have soared through the roof in Pittsburgh.

But instead, both want to live closer to family etc... I mean in the end it's their choice, but man I think anyone who plays in the NHL with the mindset that it's "just another job" should consider retirement. Parise in particular is rumored to have been majorly influenced by his fiance negotiating a job in Minnesota. This draft was just so... anticlimatic. I would have rather seen Parise go to the Flyers (whom I hate with a passion) over the Wild.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

What bugs me about this deal is that it required both of them to agree to the team and the length and the amount, so all those are concessions made in favour of the players, yet they are still given top dollar?
 
Jay

Jay

It's called desperation for the club to get players they need.... and they aren't even at the cap floor yet.

As long as there are stupid GMs giving out contracts like this, there will always be a problem in the cap world. Yet, it's a sword that cut both ways... since some GMs throw retarded contracts to some players, other GMs are forced to do the same to compete to get top-tier talent.

You can have a guy for his entire career, treat him well, help him become the best he can be, pay him generously... the moment they hit 27, a retarded GM like those in the past for the Rangers or the Oilers will throw them a ridiculous contract.

Which in turn they'll find even bigger fish Montreal, Anaheim to dump those contracts to when the player obviously doesn't meet expectations.

This is still a huge problem in the NHL today.

They should seriously commit to limit contracts to a max amount of years... 7 years is more than enough.

12 years? 13 years? These players are NOT going to play till they are in their mid-40ies....
 
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