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In what is becoming something of a trend with some big social media sites, Onlyfans is following the same trajectory that Tumblr did: grow popular off the backs of sex workers and then ban them from the platform.

I have never spent money on Onlyfans, and now I probably never will.

Though there's one Youtuber I follow who has an OF and I've been tempted to subscribe, but mainly to satisfy my curiosity.

I've never even been tempted. Free porn is everywhere. I'm not even sure what the appeal is.

Tinwhistler said:

I've never even been tempted. Free porn is everywhere. I'm not even sure what the appeal is.

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Supporting sex workers is the best answer I've got for you. I never did myself, so...*shrug*

MindDetective said:

Supporting sex workers is the best answer I've got for you. I never did myself, so...*shrug*

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I can see that. But they're selling something I don't wanna pay for.
I mean, if I had a friend who did it, I can see throwing a subscription their way to help them out. But a total stranger? I have no reason to pay for any one over the other...and no real reason to pay for any of them.

About the only porn subscription I was ever tempted to pay for was over at Kink.com, because it's so hard to find decent video of my particular kinks.

I never subscribed to onlyfans either, but I know lots of people did. And they did, I assume, because they were fans of the people they subscribed to.

But even though the site wasn't for me or my interests, I still see it as a sort of exploitation to let porn make your site popular and then try to brush it under the rug so you can get big investors to give you money. And I certainly feel bad for the many sex workers that found onlyfans as a safe and secure place to ply their trade only to suddenly be abandoned because the higher ups have made enough money off of them.

Tinwhistler said:

it's so hard to find decent video of my particular kinks.

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You ain't lyin'.

Ravenpoe said:

I still see it as a sort of exploitation to let porn make your site popular and then try to brush it under the rug so you can get big investors to give you money.

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Dailymotion, tumblr, YouTube (yes really), and even PornHub I suppose. Porn it up until the porn becomes "inconvenient," then dump it.

--Patrick

If there is not an alternative already this will be a golden opportunity for another website to take the business that Onlyfans is refusing.

Wait, wait, wait... OF has content that isn't porn?

Dave said:

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That one made me laugh hard. Good job.

MindDetective said:

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TIL JFF.

--Patrick

Tumblr and Onlyfans and Pornhub all "cleaned up" for the same reason - mastercard and visa bullied them.

What really needs to happen is there needs to be is more competition in the credit card industry, not just yet another Pepsi/Coke war that is fake and only serves to increase the profits of both.

GasBandit said:

Tumblr and Onlyfans and Pornhub all "cleaned up" for the same reason - mastercard and visa bullied them.

What really needs to happen is there needs to be is more competition in the credit card industry, not just yet another Pepsi/Coke war that is fake and only serves to increase the profits of both.

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All capitalism is fake cronyism. There's no such thing as competition when all the parties figured out they could collude and get even richer instead.

Ravenpoe said:

All capitalism is fake cronyism. There's no such thing as competition when all the parties figured out they could collude and get even richer instead.

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But if you can insure competition, and punish collusion, amazing things happen. Low prices, fast advancement, good company service.

It hasn't been that way in a decade or two, since everybody started buying everybody else and competition has become all to rare.

Time for some new trust-busting. It'll be painful, like in the early days of the AT&T breakup, but it's what's needs to be done.

It's crazy to me because OF is synonymous with porn. Like I understand their intent was originally to be a fan site for like sports stars and stuff but that ship has sailed long ago. No, and I don't like putting it this way, respectable celeb is going to advertise their only fans page. They have other sponsors and stuff that would drop them even if OF is porn-free. Like I can't imagine they're doing anything except shooting themselves in the foot.

I've subbed to a few in the past months. Hell my wife and I had from time to time considered starting one. To me it's supporting a creator directly and specifically not supporting the predatory big industry porn.

And of course reddit and other places are all celebrating because why should someone make rent while also enjoying their work and not being beholden to a boss? It's all just envy if you ask me.

Stripper? Fine
Porn star? Fine
Super model? Fine
Hooters waitress? Fine
Any of the other ways someone can make money from their looks? Fine

Because someone ELSE is making a little bit more and maybe that other person could be me. Making money for yourself? Well, you're just lazy. Go make money for me while I "manage"

I like my company's account coordinators.

GasBandit said:

Tumblr and Onlyfans and Pornhub all "cleaned up" for the same reason - mastercard and visa bullied them.

What really needs to happen is there needs to be is more competition in the credit card industry, not just yet another Pepsi/Coke war that is fake and only serves to increase the profits of both.

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The crazy irony is that online CC payment processing was invented for porn sites, if I recall correctly.

Streamers mocking the loss of income for sex workers was the level of un-selfawareness I was unaware (but shouldn't have been) existed.

Bruhs, you play video games in front of cameras and say "Thanks for the sub JesusChristSaves420" for a living.

bhamv3 said:

I like my company's account coordinators.

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... Because they're hot, right?

Bubble181 said:

... Because they're hot, right?

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Indubitably.

bhamv3 said:

Indubitably.

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--Patrick

A nice thread on this. Long story short, the real issue isn't that MasterCard doesn't want to play ball with sex business... it's that it's being pressured to by Christian Dominionists who make up stories about how these industries actually work in order for things like this to happen. They don't care that much of this stuff is legalized; they want it outlawed on principle because of their "Christian Values".

AshburnerX said:

They don't care that much of this stuff is legalized; they want it outlawed on principle because of their "Christian Values".

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The Taliban 100% agree, except for one single word in that sentence.

Onlyfans says it was credit card companies that pressured them, and that still may be the case, but Mastercard is saying "wadn't us".

I used to hate decentralized cryptocurrencies.
But stuff like this is making me reevaluate that.

--Patrick

PatrThom said:

I used to hate decentralized cryptocurrencies.
But stuff like this is making me reevaluate that.

--Patrick

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I'll start calling cyrpto a currency when people stop trading it like a commodity.

Frank said:

Onlyfans says it was credit card companies that pressured them, and that still may be the case, but Mastercard is saying "wadn't us".

Why did OnlyFans ban sexually explicit content? It says it's the credit card companies

Thursday's decision by the creator platform OnlyFans to soon stop hosting a wide swath of sexually explicit content is sending shockwaves through the internet.

www.cnn.com

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Yeah, that's Mastercard being passive-aggressive. They had absurd demands, like a human monitoring every livestream in real time, for continuing to allow explicit content.

"We didn't say you have to leave the building. We just said we'd cut the water & power, and start blaring Kidz Bop at full volume 24/7 if you didn't. You can still stay if you want."

AshburnerX said:

I'll start calling cyrpto a currency when people stop trading it like a commodity.

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Like people do with other currencies on the forex market?

The FX market is where currencies are traded. It is the only truly continuous and nonstop trading market in the world...

An interesting aspect of world forex markets is that there are no physical buildings that function as trading venues for the markets. Instead, it is a series of connections made through trading terminals and computer networks. Participants in this market are institutions, investment banks, commercial banks, and retail investors.

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edit: That said, I don't think of crypto as a currency either. More like volatile stocks (kind of like the penny stock market). I decided to dip my toe into it (to the tune of about 1% of my yearly gross income) during the big slump of bitcoin earlier this year, and have made about 21% gains since. But because of that volatility, that's all 'play money' or 'gambling money' since I know it can all be wiped out tomorrow.

Translation: OH SHIT EVERYONE IS LEAVING NO STOP

So it wasn't the Credit Cards that forced their hands on this?

I wouldn’t be surprised if the credit card companies changed their mind now that everyone’s realized the anti-sex trafficking lobby’s behind it are actually just evangelicals who want to ban porn.

Adam said:

So it wasn't the Credit Cards that forced their hands on this?

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--Patrick

Adam said:

So it wasn't the Credit Cards that forced their hands on this?

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I never understood the business thinking in that decision if it was Mastercard.

Imagine Mastercard told FedEx that, hey,international shipments really aren't OK with us, please stick to domestic shipping from now on. And FedEx looked at their income model and saw that 80% of their income was coming from international shipments (to be clear, it isn't). Now, what would happen?
A) FedEx would stop doing what earned them 80% of their income; or
B) FedEx would use another payment system than Mastercard, like cash, bank transfers, PayPall, or whatever the heck else they can think of.

OnlyFans must have known perfectly well what approximate percentage of their income was coming from sex industry workers or sexually explicit content. It's completely stupid to crash your own (profitable! Which is rare for an on line startup!) company because of one service supplier. Yeah, MC is big...But they're not the only one. If MC was the big pusher behind this, there were perfectly good ways of making it abundantly clear that all discomfort was to be laid at their door. Obviously it'd still have had repercussions - for some people Mastercard would be the only option, etc etc. But still.

I think it was more likely around the timing of this report from BBC: OnlyFans: How it handles illegal sex videos - BBC investigation - BBC News

Trying to bury that report, particularly for a London-based organization as it starts towards an IPO, seems likely.

Adam said:

So it wasn't the Credit Cards that forced their hands on this?

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Onlyfans will now be accepting the Diner's Club Card, which has no hangups about whatever debauchery their cardholders get into!

GasBandit said:

Onlyfans will now be accepting the Diner's Club Card, which has no hangups about whatever debauchery their cardholders get into!

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Dave said:

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blotsfan said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if the credit card companies changed their mind now that everyone’s realized the anti-sex trafficking lobby’s behind it are actually just evangelicals who want to ban porn.

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That's one big difference between this and the PornHub purge. Back when that happened, most news outlets reported it as "Heroic credit card companies force PornHub to clean up it's act in order to protect children from exploitation!" and since then sex workers have been working hard to communicate to reporters about the religious and other ulterior motives behind these decisions. Because a lot of people saw this coming. It's a pattern that's played out multiple times.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I don't think this is just about morality. If these banks and credit card companies really had a problem with adult content, they'd have stopped doing business with OnlyFans before it got this big. At the very least they're just being hypocritical, making money off of porn while still making a public spectacle out of banning it off some famous site periodically. It could go a lot further than that, and be a way to keep independent content producers from gaining too much power, and maintaining porn as a big business.

Heck, if you really want to get conspiratorial, remember that Epstein and other sex traffickers have ties to banking. Kicking sex workers off of OnlyFans is a windfall for sex traffickers. Among all the women making money off explicit content on OF some percentage of them will have that money being the difference between financial security and desperation. Any time they have to migrate services, they will almost certainly have a dip in income, and that makes them vulnerable. Sex trafficking isn't just women getting thrown into unmarked vans, the majority is done to victims by people they know. "Oh, hey, sorry OF cut you off and you're suddenly struggling. I know a great opportunity for a woman like you. You can trust me, we've known each other for years." Traffickers who knew this was coming, and it wasn't hard to predict, are probably taking advantage of it as we speak. The only question is, are they taking advantage of the morality war between banks and content creators? Or is the whole "morality war" part of the setup to make women vulnerable to sex traffickers?

The groups trying to purge porn from OnlyFans are religious extremists with fascist views, ties to QAnon, think Hitler was doing God's work, etc.

These accusations sound just as unbelievably contrived as stealing the adrenal glands of children or putting chips in vaccines, except for the part where it's all documented in public view.

--Patrick