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Sep 4, 2009#1

Fun Size

I guess it's fair after reading the original draft of his heathcare address - "I've had enough of these mother%#$@ing delays in my mother%#$@ing health care overhaul" was a bit much - but really, what do you suppose they think he's going to say to worry them?

http://www.freep.com/article/20090904/NEWS15/909040349/1320/Obama-s-speech-to-kids-causes-uproar

Sep 4, 2009#2

Covar

Yvan Eht Nioj?

Sep 4, 2009#3

Krisken

Fun Size said:
I guess it's fair after reading the original draft of his heathcare address - \"I've had enough of these mother%#$@ing delays in my mother%#$@ing health care overhaul\" was a bit much - but really, what do you suppose they think he's going to say to worry them?

http://www.freep.com/article/20090904/NEWS15/909040349/1320/Obama-s-speech-to-kids-causes-uproar

Who knows. It's more crazy, tin foil hattery.

Sep 4, 2009#4

ZenMonkey

This whole thing makes me so angry I can't even read about it anymore.

Sep 4, 2009#5

Kitty Sinatra

Farmington Public Schools is encouraging parents to pull them from class if they are uncomfortable with the speech.

A speech from the President is objectionable? That's smurfing smurfed up as smurf can smurf.

Sep 4, 2009#6

GasBandit

As I posted in the political thread today... when the first President Bush did the same thing in 1991, people had problems with it too.

Sep 4, 2009#7

ZenMonkey

GasBandit said:
As I posted in the political thread today... when the first President Bush did the same thing in 1991, people had problems with it too.

Sep 4, 2009#8

GasBandit

ZenMonkey;248486][quote=GasBandit said:
As I posted in the political thread today... when the first President Bush did the same thing in 1991, people had problems with it too.

And regardless of my political leanings, I would have welcomed that into my classroom as well. However, the shitstorm then wasn't anything close to what it is now, if memory serves.

It's the President telling kids that education is important. Fuck political agendas.[/QUOTE]

That's the problem, allegedly... that some people aren't sure he won't leave his agenda at the door. Personally I think we've got other things we should be worrying about.

Sep 5, 2009#9

Covar

crazy idea. release a transcript like they do with State of the Union addresses.

The only issue I see is that my local school system has already shortened the school days for budget reasons. Depending on the length of this video thats potentially a lot of valuable class time they could be loosing.

Sep 5, 2009#10

AshburnerX

Honestly, there is no way a sitting president could not be partisan during a speech. By his very nature and the nature of the election process, he is inevitably corrupted.

That being said, I think the public education system is already leaning towards the conservative side of things (just as the university level is leaning towards the liberal side) and could stand to have a few liberal policies. Then again, that may just be because I'm in Ohio and my school system was seriously damaged by the "No Child Left Behind" policies.

Sep 5, 2009#11

Krisken

Covar said:
crazy idea. release a transcript like they do with State of the Union addresses.

The only issue I see is that my local school system has already shortened the school days for budget reasons. Depending on the length of this video thats potentially a lot of valuable class time they could be loosing.

He is on Monday?

Oh, and it's losing. Sorry, but I had to add that. Especially in a thread about education.

Sep 5, 2009#12

DarkAudit

AshburnerX said:
Honestly, there is no way a sitting president could not be partisan during a speech. By his very nature and the nature of the election process, he is inevitably corrupted.

So sad that we have folks who think "Stay in school" is a partisan political statement.

Sadder still that the loudest voices are the wingnuttiest among us who claim that Obama's policies are both fascism and communism at the same time. Who amongst you will be able to tell Beck and Bachmann to SHUT THE FUCK UP and make it stick?

Sep 5, 2009#13

AshburnerX

I was merely pointing out that, yes, he's probably going to push his agenda. Whether or not that's a bad thing is up to each person listening. Personally, I doubt it could do more damage than MTV, Disney, and UPN have already done to the children.

Sep 5, 2009#14

JONJONAUG

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...ch_based_curriculum_go_national.php?ref=fpblg

Meanwhile, in Texas.

Sep 5, 2009#15

DarkAudit

JONJONAUG said:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...ch_based_curriculum_go_national.php?ref=fpblg

Meanwhile, in Texas.

Oh *please* secede, you sorry fucks.

Sep 5, 2009#16

AshburnerX

For the love of god... that could at least have been subtle about it. But no...

Sep 5, 2009#17

ZenMonkey

GasBandit said:
That's the problem, allegedly... that some people aren't sure he won't leave his agenda at the door. Personally I think we've got other things we should be worrying about.

I couldn't agree more, plus FFS it is ONE SPEECH. Are they fearing instant indoctrination into whatever they're so scared about, or something? Subliminal messages?

How about teachers who are concerned about this "corruption" and "agenda-pushing" as Ashbringer puts it, I don't know, listen to the speech with their students and then TEACH about it? Have a CONVERSATION with your students about what they just heard?

No no, I forgot, no ideas allowed into the classroom that one might disagree with. Kids aren't capable of thinking about it and it's just too much fucking work for teachers anyway, who would rather just prepare kids for the SATs and then go have a cigarette break.

Many days I'm sad I can't teach anymore. Some days I'm furious about it.

Sep 5, 2009#18

AshburnerX

... It's Ashburner, Zen.

Still, at least you got the ASH part right. One guy that I was a "hard gay" (as he put it) when he thought my name was Assburner.

Sep 5, 2009#19

ZenMonkey

AshburnerX said:
... It's Ashburner, Zen. Still, at least you got the ASH part right. One guy that I was a "hard gay" (as he put it) when he thought my name was Assburner.

Ha ha, I completely know your name, sorry about that. Guess I was thinking that once you've burned the ash, you BRING IT.

Sep 5, 2009#20

AshburnerX

You play WoW? It might also be that. The Ashbringer is some sort of McGuffin in that, I believe.

Sep 6, 2009#21

ZenMonkey

AshburnerX said:
You play WoW? It might also be that. The Ashbringer is some sort of McGuffin in that, I believe.

It was just a typo in my frustration and annoyance at this whole thing. (Not the thread, the issue.) I dunno what the Ashbringer is as I am lore-challenged.

Sep 6, 2009#22

Armadillo

The reason this is gaining so much traction is that there's a rather large number of people in this country who just plain don't trust Obama, and an argument could be made that he's brought it on himself. Pulling your kids out of school because of this is silly as hell, though.

Sep 6, 2009#23

SpecialKO

I honestly feel like the news is reporting on a tiny, tiny minority of people, and that the vast majority of people, of whatever political stripe, really don't care, or at least have more important things to care about.

Sep 6, 2009#24

Kitty Sinatra

AshburnerX said:
I was merely pointing out that, yes, he's probably going to push his agenda.

He damn well better push his agenda. He'd be one sad sack President if he didn't push his agenda. He was elected to push his agenda.

(That's not directed at you Assbringer, just putting it out there)

(There's humor in them thar parentheses)

Sep 6, 2009#25

AshburnerX

Assbringer makes me sound like a pimp.

Sep 6, 2009#26

Espy

I hear he's going to tell all the lady teachers to stop banging the boys.

Sep 7, 2009#27

Kitty Sinatra

Espy said:
I hear he's going to tell all the lady teachers to stop banging the boys.

That's like a complete 180 from Clinton's position.

Sep 7, 2009#28

Espy

Gruebeard;249805][quote=Espy said:
I hear he's going to tell all the lady teachers to stop banging the boys.

That's like a complete 180 from Clinton's position.[/QUOTE]

He said he was bringing change.

I still remember the Clinton presidential address to schoolchildren in the 90's. It was just Bill in his suit with no pants air-guitaring to "Hot for Teacher" by Van Halen.

Sep 7, 2009#29

Kitty Sinatra

Ahhh. The good ol' days.

Sep 7, 2009#30

ZenMonkey

Here's the text of the speech. If conservatives are still crying their eyes out over this, there's no fucking hope for the country.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/

Sep 7, 2009#31

Krisken

ZenMonkey said:
Here's the text of the speech. If conservatives are still crying their eyes out over this, there's no fucking hope for the country.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/

I haven't had a chance to check the news yet today, but I hope you won't be disappointed tomorrow.

Sep 7, 2009#32

Kitty Sinatra

That doesn't push his agenda at all. Not at all.

What a smurfing lousy speech.

Sep 7, 2009#33

The Lovely Boehner

good work linking freep in the op

Sep 8, 2009#34

Cajungal

I understand if people don't agree with their president and don't want their kids to either (yay for the cultivation of individual thought), but I think all this worry is ridiculous. I'll admit I haven't read the actual text yet (I will but not tonight...), but whatever, this is stupid.

If the parents don't like him, fine. But he's still our president, and I think this is neat. If they DON'T like him and have the time to make a stink, I hope they have the time to talk to their children about WHY they have reservations about this. Political party is like religion in many households; it's taught. If you want a kid to see things your way or see all sides of an issue, then they should teach them the way parents ought to when they care enough to get on everyone else's case.

They might not be able to preview the speech, but they can find out what it was about and discuss it. This is all so silly. I'm sure the contents of the speech aren't as shocking as this uproar is letting on, but people SHOULD hear all sides of an issue anyway. It's how you build a solid argument. You can't be informed if you stick your fingers in your ears and go "LALALA" when someone you disagree with speaks, dangit.

anyway, seems like I'm preaching to the choir in here

Sep 8, 2009#35

Krisken

It's not the mole hill they are worried about. It's the volcano they can turn it into.

Sep 8, 2009#36

Espy

Krisken said:
It's not the mole hill they are worried about. It's the volcano they can turn it into.

Sep 8, 2009#37

GasBandit

Now we'll see if the republicans want to launch an investigation into the "expense and legality" of the speech, like the democrats did for GHWB back in 91.

Sep 8, 2009#38

Espy

GasBandit said:
Now we'll see if the republicans want to launch an investigation into the "expense and legality" of the speech, like the democrats did for GHWB back in 91.

Let's hope not. We really don't need anymore of that kind of BS from either side.

Sep 8, 2009#39

Vytamindi

Presidential Speech

So, the presidential speech was aired today for all students to watch. Because of scheduling conflicts, my school will air it tomorrow after everyone's eaten lunch.

I have received so many emails about making sure we are careful to honor parents' requests for those who wish for their child to NOT participate in any of the activities prompted by the speech.

Did he talk about politics? Gay marriage? Health care?

NO

He talked about students taking responsibility for their education!!!!!!! By the parent's response, you would think he'd be wearing a huge fro, tokin' a joint, and bashing God! He's our freaking president! Whether you voted for him or not, whether you approve his health care plan or reject it, and whether you're any other race but caucasian (and who here isn't a mutt anyway), you should at least respect his office (<---my opinion).

What's wrong with having someone tell kids that they need to study hard and take school seriously so they can become doctors, business owners, and anything else they want to be?

As you guys know, I am not a parent (THANK GOD) but I would like to get your feedback on this. Please don't flame my school (as I am sure we're not the only school) or anyone who agrees with the parents who are withholding their children from these activities. I just want to know what you guys think!

I may be a bit biased here, but I really do want to see the other side of the coin.

Sep 8, 2009#40

AshburnerX

Presidential Speech

... there is already a thread about this in the Politics sub-forum.

http://www.halforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9026

Sep 8, 2009#41

Vytamindi

Presidential Speech

AshburnerX said:
... there is already a thread about this in the Politics sub-forum.

http://www.halforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9026

...yes. I saw that. Maybe my post may seem too similar (I rechecked the wording) but this is more of a "show me a parenting point of view" thread moreso than a political one.

Sorry if I didn't get that across.

---------- Post added at 06:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:06 PM ----------

Well, I guess it doesn't matter either way.

Sep 8, 2009#42

Krisken

Espy;250303][quote=Krisken said:
It's not the mole hill they are worried about. It's the volcano they can turn it into.

Sep 8, 2009#43

Espy

Krisken;250516][quote=Espy;250303][quote=Krisken said:
It's not the mole hill they are worried about. It's the volcano they can turn it into.

Meh, it will pass and then next week it will be something else. And everyone on both sides will freak out at each other, at the issue and then at each other for freaking out.
It's just how it works. If the last eight years taught us anything it's that this is the normal volume of politics right now. One side screeches and the other responds. It's annoying, but it's what we get to deal with for the time being.
The only way to really deal with it is to remain calm and not freak out at the people freaking out. It's the only real defense IMHO.[/QUOTE]
I don't really understand the comparison Espy.[/QUOTE]

Well, it's possible I mis-understood your statement. I thought you were saying that the real concern was how big a deal (the volcano) people were going to make out of something like this. I was just saying no matter how big a deal is made it's moved past the next week and there is something new for the everyone to freak out about. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Sep 8, 2009#44

Krisken

Espy;250519][quote=Krisken;250516][quote=Espy;250303][quote=Krisken said:
It's not the mole hill they are worried about. It's the volcano they can turn it into.

Meh, it will pass and then next week it will be something else. And everyone on both sides will freak out at each other, at the issue and then at each other for freaking out.
It's just how it works. If the last eight years taught us anything it's that this is the normal volume of politics right now. One side screeches and the other responds. It's annoying, but it's what we get to deal with for the time being.
The only way to really deal with it is to remain calm and not freak out at the people freaking out. It's the only real defense IMHO.[/quote]
I don't really understand the comparison Espy.[/quote]

Well, it's possible I mis-understood your statement. I thought you were saying that the real concern was how big a deal (the volcano) people were going to make out of something like this. I was just saying no matter how big a deal is made it's moved past the next week and there is something new for the everyone to freak out about. Sorry if I misunderstood.[/QUOTE]
Oh, that part I understood. You're right on with that one. What I was confused on was the last 8 years part. I'm sure there were moments where things were made bigger than they should have, but I think some of the screeching was a little justified. Of course, those moments are less about politics than human decency.

Sep 8, 2009#45

Covar

We were justified when we did it. its the otherside who is in the wrong

Sep 8, 2009#46

Andromache

Presidential Speech

AshburnerX said:
... there is already a thread about this in the Politics sub-forum.

http://www.halforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9026

Thanks ashtray.

Sep 8, 2009#47

Krisken

Covar said:
We were justified when we did it. its the otherside who is in the wrong

Click to expand...

Sep 8, 2009#48

GasBandit

Krisken;250559][quote=Covar said:
We were justified when we did it. its the otherside who is in the wrong

Click to expand...

Way to oversimplify.

Speech on staying in school- Not something to freak out about.

Approving torture, starting a war with a country that posed no threat, eroded civil rights under the guise of "protecting us"- justified.

Thanks for playing though. You guys want to get screechy on something he is doing, like specific and real content in healthcare or disagreements with his tax or budget proposals, that's great.[/quote]

I was unaware that George Herbert Walker Bush was accused of having approved torture, started a war with a country that posed no threat, eroded civil rights, etc.

Somebody's gonna have to quote me though because I know Krisken put me on his foe list because he can't deal with how his nincompoopery falls apart on exposure to light

Sep 8, 2009#49

Tinwhistler

Sep 8, 2009#50

Dave

i think it was a good speech and that the whole thing was blown out of proportion by conservative pundits who were trying to rile people up. These folks like Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Michael Moore, Al Frankin, etc. do MORE damage than those whose actions they are trying to bring to light. Half truths and exaggerations as well as out of context misquotes cause people to become disillusioned with the whole process, which suits them fine because when the people are disconnected they can do whatever they want.

This is another example of why I will never get into politics, even though I've felt the calling. I'd never put my family through the abuse these people go through just to have everything I said or did picked apart and turned against me to further someone else's agenda.

Sep 8, 2009#51

sixpackshaker

Upon arrival at the school, Obama's motorcade was greeted by a small band of protesters. One carried a sign exclaiming: "Mr. President, stay away from our kids."

What the Fuck!!! I can not stand that type of disrespect for the President of the United States. What is he going to do, drag little Johnny into the restroom for a little man/boy love?

I'd be thrilled to have my kids/students receive a speech from a leader. I've even sat through a terrible speech by Governor George W. Bush when he spoke to the state meeting of the Youth in Government. I did not say a thing to my kids about him, just told them to pay attention during the speech.

You should be thrilled that POTUS wants to go to your kid's school to deliver an address.

I wish that the news would stop calling a bunch of crackpots crying over a speech a "controversy." It should be only a controversy if he does something wrong, like allowing an intern to preform oral sex. Giving a pep talk should never be treated in this manner by the 'liberal' media.

Sep 8, 2009#52

GasBandit

sixpackshaker said:
I'd be thrilled to have my kids/students receive a speech from a leader. I've even sat through a terrible speech by Governor George W. Bush when he spoke to the state meeting of the Youth in Government. I did not say a thing to my kids about him, just told them to pay attention during the speech.

Was this part of that speech?

Sep 8, 2009#53

ZenMonkey

Newt Gingrich endorses Obama's speech. That popping sound you hear is G.O.P. skulls exploding all over the country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/08/newt-gingrich-on-obama-ba_n_279444.html

Sep 8, 2009#54

sixpackshaker

ZenMonkey said:
Newt Gingrich endorses Obama's speech. That popping sound you hear is G.O.P. skulls exploding all over the country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/08/newt-gingrich-on-obama-ba_n_279444.html

I guess he realized too late that protesting the pep rally was a stupid idea.

Sep 8, 2009#55

GasBandit

Having read the transcript of Obama's speech, I give it a thumbs up as well. I just wish that his policies (or hell, the policies of ANYBODY in washington these days) was as much about personal responsibility and hard work as that speech was.

Sep 8, 2009#56

Krisken

I should probably clear something up, in case I misrepresented it in my last statement. Crazy is crazy, no matter what the political affiliation. Whether it's the birthers, people misrepresenting the healthcare bill saying it will kill old people, or the fringe secessionists on the right, or Code Pink screeching their heads off, PETA attacking women who wear fur on the street, or Green Peace blocking boats off the coast on the left.

I'll have easier time listening to the conservative leadership when they actually show some and stop playing to the crazies in their party. Newt took a step in the right direction on this one.

Sep 9, 2009#57

Kitty Sinatra

GasBandit;250563][quote=Krisken;250559][quote=Covar said:
We were justified when we did it. its the otherside who is in the wrong

Click to expand...

[/QUOTE]

Quoted for you.

Now let me ask you what GHW Bush has to do with the last 8 years? Because if you'll go back up and what Krisken's talking about, if you read the post that Covar paraphrased, you'll see that Krisken wasn't talking about Bush Sr's speech (The hint is that he refers to "the last eight years" )

Also, "GHW Bush" sounds like a sexy designer drug.

Sep 9, 2009#58

Krisken

I like that he quotes me even though he knows I can't see it. Poor guy just can't quit me.

Sep 9, 2009#59

DarkAudit

At least two Monongalia County schools refused to air yesterday's speech. One principal admitted it was due to political cowardice. The other won't take questions from the media.

Sep 9, 2009#60

Tinwhistler

My son's school district did not stream the speech live. The reasons given were: The speech was during many kids lunch periods, and they said that they feared that their network would suffer if all the classrooms hit the speech at the same time live.

So, they opted to tape the speech, and make it available as a download. Which is silly since you can get the archived speech from the White House web site, probably in better quality than a tape-to-mpg conversion would be. But C'est la vie.

Sep 9, 2009#61

GasBandit

Gruebeard;250841][quote=GasBandit;250563][quote=Krisken;250559][quote=Covar said:
We were justified when we did it. its the otherside who is in the wrong

Click to expand...

[/quote]

Quoted for you.

Now let me ask you what GHW Bush has to do with the last 8 years? Because if you'll go back up and what Krisken's talking about, if you read the post that Covar paraphrased, you'll see that Krisken wasn't talking about Bush Sr's speech (The hint is that he refers to "the last eight years" )

Also, "GHW Bush" sounds like a sexy designer drug.[/QUOTE]

Krisken is talking about that with ESPY, but it was my interpretation that COVAR was referring to the GHWB case when he said "it wasn't wrong when we did it." My reply was about getting the two conversations mixed.

Sep 9, 2009#62

Covar

I just found it amusing that while denying Espy's comments regarding the state of politics in this country (which IMO goes back as far as the formation of this nation), Krisken validates it with his comments.

Sep 9, 2009#63

Armadillo

I like how the anger over this whole thing has been spun by the left to be about the speech itself, which nobody but a few true wingnuts were really pissed about. It was the LESSON PLAN that went out ahead of the speech and got "edited" that was causing the consternation. Remember the whole "Write letters to myself about what I can do to help President Obama" thing?

As for the speech itself, pretty good. The values expressed in it were spot on. Almost...conservative.

Sep 9, 2009#64

ZenMonkey

Armadillo said:
Remember the whole "Write letters to myself about what I can do to help President Obama" thing?

Sep 9, 2009#65

blotsfan

ZenMonkey;251555][quote=Armadillo said:
Remember the whole "Write letters to myself about what I can do to help President Obama" thing?

Sep 9, 2009#66

Armadillo

ZenMonkey;251555][quote=Armadillo said:
Remember the whole "Write letters to myself about what I can do to help President Obama" thing?

I remember it was voluntary for teachers to use it, not required, and that I can hardly think of a less inflammatory exercise for kids to do. I mean, fuck, thinking about how best to help the country? Yeah, let's not have our children doing that by any means.[/QUOTE]

They didn't say "how to help the country," they said "how to help PRESIDENT OBAMA." That's a bit disquieting to people who fear a cult of personality. I agree that this whole thing is small fish, but the whole of peoples' arguments against Obama and his agenda shouldn't be tossed out or demeaned because of this.

Sep 9, 2009#67

DarkAudit

Armadillo said:
but the whole of peoples' arguments against Obama and his agenda shouldn't be tossed out or demeaned because of this.

No. It should be tossed out because of the assholes insisting on openly brandishing weapons at town hall meetings instead of engaging in discussion. It should be tossed out because of the crazies like Beck, Malkin, Bachmann, and whatshisname from Florida screaming "INDOCTRINATION!". It should be tossed out because of people like Richard Steele mocking and humiliating a cancer patient who can't get insurance.

Your argument is one phony birth certificate after another (Taitz, over and over and over again). Until you get the nutcases off the stage no one on the right has any credibility.

Sep 9, 2009#68

Krisken

Armadillo;251562][quote=ZenMonkey;251555][quote=Armadillo said:
Remember the whole "Write letters to myself about what I can do to help President Obama" thing?

I remember it was voluntary for teachers to use it, not required, and that I can hardly think of a less inflammatory exercise for kids to do. I mean, fuck, thinking about how best to help the country? Yeah, let's not have our children doing that by any means.[/quote]

They didn't say "how to help the country," they said "how to help PRESIDENT OBAMA." That's a bit disquieting to people who fear a cult of personality. I agree that this whole thing is small fish, but the whole of peoples' arguments against Obama and his agenda shouldn't be tossed out or demeaned because of this.[/QUOTE]
I think you're seeing demons because you want to see demons.

Sep 9, 2009#69

ZenMonkey

Armadillo said:
They didn't say "how to help the country," they said "how to help PRESIDENT OBAMA." That's a bit disquieting to people who fear a cult of personality.

And makes sense to anyone who knows something about child development and education, and isn't utterly blinded by politics or afraid of silly things.

Sep 10, 2009#70

Iaculus

ZenMonkey;251639][quote=Armadillo said:
They didn't say "how to help the country," they said "how to help PRESIDENT OBAMA." That's a bit disquieting to people who fear a cult of personality.

And makes sense to anyone who knows something about child development and education, and isn't utterly blinded by politics or afraid of silly things.[/QUOTE]

Besides, if you don't like the way Obama's doing things, you'd surely see explaining why doing X is a bad idea (whether X be nationalised healthcare, abortion, or having a Wii rather than a 360) and highlighting the things you think he should be focusing on as helpful to him, yes?

Sep 10, 2009#71

Cajungal

ZenMonkey;251639][quote=Armadillo said:
They didn't say "how to help the country," they said "how to help PRESIDENT OBAMA." That's a bit disquieting to people who fear a cult of personality.

And makes sense to anyone who knows something about child development and education, and isn't utterly blinded by politics or afraid of silly things.[/QUOTE]

I understand why they would word it that way for children. It would make them feel special to think that just studying hard is actually helping the president of their country. I also understand why it might disturb people, but I think that their intention was to relate to young people.

Listening to the speech right now, and I like it. It's hard to disagree with taking responsibility for your own success and learning from failure.

Sep 10, 2009#72

Covar

yea, shame all his policies are about everything but.

Sep 10, 2009#73

ZenMonkey

Cajungal said:
I understand why they would word it that way for children.

I was thinking of you when I wrote that.

Sep 10, 2009#74

Cajungal

ZenMonkey;252398][quote=Cajungal said:
I understand why they would word it that way for children.

I was thinking of you when I wrote that.[/QUOTE]

^_^ Aww, well shucks. I actually remember being a kid and having a teacher tell me something akin to that... that I'm helping the country if I work hard for my future. And maybe Obama doesn't reflect personal responsibility so well in his policies, maybe he does. I'm not going to get into that. But it's a nice message to convey before kids grow up and realize that everyone's corrupted, I guess.

Sep 14, 2009#75

Chibibar

I read the transcript just to make sure I understand it. I didn't see any political statement about it. I mean Obama did mention about "yourself, and your country" a lot but that makes sense without the political.

You do well, and you will do well for your society.

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