Parents Fear Obama's Student Address

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Kitty Sinatra

Farmington Public Schools is encouraging parents to pull them from class if they are uncomfortable with the speech.
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A speech from the President is objectionable? That's smurfing smurfed up as smurf can smurf.
 
GasBandit

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As I posted in the political thread today... when the first President Bush did the same thing in 1991, people had problems with it too.
 
ZenMonkey

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GasBandit said:
As I posted in the political thread today... when the first President Bush did the same thing in 1991, people had problems with it too.
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And regardless of my political leanings, I would have welcomed that into my classroom as well. However, the shitstorm then wasn't anything close to what it is now, if memory serves.

It's the President telling kids that education is important. Fuck political agendas.
 
GasBandit

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ZenMonkey;248486][quote=GasBandit said:
As I posted in the political thread today... when the first President Bush did the same thing in 1991, people had problems with it too.
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And regardless of my political leanings, I would have welcomed that into my classroom as well. However, the shitstorm then wasn't anything close to what it is now, if memory serves.

It's the President telling kids that education is important. Fuck political agendas.[/QUOTE]

That's the problem, allegedly... that some people aren't sure he won't leave his agenda at the door. Personally I think we've got other things we should be worrying about.
 
Covar

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crazy idea. release a transcript like they do with State of the Union addresses.

The only issue I see is that my local school system has already shortened the school days for budget reasons. Depending on the length of this video thats potentially a lot of valuable class time they could be loosing.
 
AshburnerX

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Honestly, there is no way a sitting president could not be partisan during a speech. By his very nature and the nature of the election process, he is inevitably corrupted.

That being said, I think the public education system is already leaning towards the conservative side of things (just as the university level is leaning towards the liberal side) and could stand to have a few liberal policies. Then again, that may just be because I'm in Ohio and my school system was seriously damaged by the "No Child Left Behind" policies.
 
Krisken

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Covar said:
crazy idea. release a transcript like they do with State of the Union addresses.

The only issue I see is that my local school system has already shortened the school days for budget reasons. Depending on the length of this video thats potentially a lot of valuable class time they could be loosing.
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He is on Monday?

Oh, and it's losing. Sorry, but I had to add that. Especially in a thread about education.
 
DarkAudit

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AshburnerX said:
Honestly, there is no way a sitting president could not be partisan during a speech. By his very nature and the nature of the election process, he is inevitably corrupted.
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So sad that we have folks who think "Stay in school" is a partisan political statement.

Sadder still that the loudest voices are the wingnuttiest among us who claim that Obama's policies are both fascism and communism at the same time. Who amongst you will be able to tell Beck and Bachmann to SHUT THE FUCK UP and make it stick?
 
AshburnerX

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I was merely pointing out that, yes, he's probably going to push his agenda. Whether or not that's a bad thing is up to each person listening. Personally, I doubt it could do more damage than MTV, Disney, and UPN have already done to the children.
 
ZenMonkey

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GasBandit said:
That's the problem, allegedly... that some people aren't sure he won't leave his agenda at the door. Personally I think we've got other things we should be worrying about.
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I couldn't agree more, plus FFS it is ONE SPEECH. Are they fearing instant indoctrination into whatever they're so scared about, or something? Subliminal messages?

How about teachers who are concerned about this "corruption" and "agenda-pushing" as Ashbringer puts it, I don't know, listen to the speech with their students and then TEACH about it? Have a CONVERSATION with your students about what they just heard?

No no, I forgot, no ideas allowed into the classroom that one might disagree with. Kids aren't capable of thinking about it and it's just too much fucking work for teachers anyway, who would rather just prepare kids for the SATs and then go have a cigarette break.

Many days I'm sad I can't teach anymore. Some days I'm furious about it.
 
AshburnerX

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... It's Ashburner, Zen. :( Still, at least you got the ASH part right. One guy that I was a "hard gay" (as he put it) when he thought my name was Assburner.
 
ZenMonkey

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AshburnerX said:
... It's Ashburner, Zen. :( Still, at least you got the ASH part right. One guy that I was a "hard gay" (as he put it) when he thought my name was Assburner.
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Ha ha, I completely know your name, sorry about that. Guess I was thinking that once you've burned the ash, you BRING IT.
 
ZenMonkey

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AshburnerX said:
You play WoW? It might also be that. The Ashbringer is some sort of McGuffin in that, I believe.
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It was just a typo in my frustration and annoyance at this whole thing. (Not the thread, the issue.) I dunno what the Ashbringer is as I am lore-challenged.
 
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The reason this is gaining so much traction is that there's a rather large number of people in this country who just plain don't trust Obama, and an argument could be made that he's brought it on himself. Pulling your kids out of school because of this is silly as hell, though.
 
SpecialKO

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I honestly feel like the news is reporting on a tiny, tiny minority of people, and that the vast majority of people, of whatever political stripe, really don't care, or at least have more important things to care about.
 
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Kitty Sinatra

AshburnerX said:
I was merely pointing out that, yes, he's probably going to push his agenda.
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He damn well better push his agenda. He'd be one sad sack President if he didn't push his agenda. He was elected to push his agenda.

(That's not directed at you Assbringer, just putting it out there)

(There's humor in them thar parentheses)
 
Espy

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Gruebeard;249805][quote=Espy said:
I hear he's going to tell all the lady teachers to stop banging the boys.
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That's like a complete 180 from Clinton's position.[/QUOTE]

He said he was bringing change.


I still remember the Clinton presidential address to schoolchildren in the 90's. It was just Bill in his suit with no pants air-guitaring to "Hot for Teacher" by Van Halen.
 
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Kitty Sinatra

That doesn't push his agenda at all. Not at all.

What a smurfing lousy speech.
 
Cajungal

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I understand if people don't agree with their president and don't want their kids to either (yay for the cultivation of individual thought), but I think all this worry is ridiculous. I'll admit I haven't read the actual text yet (I will but not tonight...), but whatever, this is stupid.

If the parents don't like him, fine. But he's still our president, and I think this is neat. If they DON'T like him and have the time to make a stink, I hope they have the time to talk to their children about WHY they have reservations about this. Political party is like religion in many households; it's taught. If you want a kid to see things your way or see all sides of an issue, then they should teach them the way parents ought to when they care enough to get on everyone else's case.

They might not be able to preview the speech, but they can find out what it was about and discuss it. This is all so silly. I'm sure the contents of the speech aren't as shocking as this uproar is letting on, but people SHOULD hear all sides of an issue anyway. It's how you build a solid argument. You can't be informed if you stick your fingers in your ears and go "LALALA" when someone you disagree with speaks, dangit.

anyway, seems like I'm preaching to the choir in here
 
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