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Point and click games.

Mar 16, 2012#1

Yoshimickster

I friggin love the Monkey Island series. The only two I don't own are the fourth one and the Telltale one. I just recently beat Full Throttle. Mark Hammil was great as Rip Burger. Also Steve Blum was in it, though I have NO idea who he was.

Mar 16, 2012#2

figmentPez

Yoshimickster said:
and the Telltale one.

You need to fix that.

Did you help fund the Double Fine Adventure Kickstarter?

I'm an adventure game fan from way back. My favorite is not technically a point and click, since Grim Fandango controlled with keyboard or gamepad, but it's still an excellent game.

Mar 16, 2012#3

Yoshimickster

Man I've been wantin Grim Fandango like FOREVER. Think it'd be easy to download? I remember seeing the main character in Monkey Island 3, classic.

Mar 16, 2012#4

ThatNickGuy

Most of my gaming growing up was point-and-click adventure games, both LucasArts and especially Sierra. King's Quest, Police Quest, Quest for Glory, Leisure Suit Larry, Space Quest. My favourite one of all time, and is probably my second favourite video game of all time, was Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Father. But of course, I also loved LucasArts games. Day of the Tentacle, Full Throttle, the Monkey Island games, etc.

I've wanted to re-play Grim Fandango for the longest time. From what I understand, though, pirated versions don't work so well. And of course, it's near impossible to find otherwise these days.

Mar 16, 2012#5

Yoshimickster

Tell me about it. It's like 50 bones on amazon(no pun intended).

Mar 16, 2012#6

Frankie Williamson

I've never been the biggest fan of point and click adventure games. To me, they were always less about logically solving a puzzle and more about profiling what kind of people designed the puzzles.

Mar 16, 2012#7

Yoshimickster

Frankie Williamson said:
I've never been the biggest fan of point and click adventure games. To me, they were always less about logically solving a puzzle and more about profiling what kind of people designed the puzzles.

Profiling what kind of people designed the puzzle? It ain't CSI dude! Which...ironically has it's own point and click game.

Mar 16, 2012#8

Ravenpoe

Yoshimickster said:
Profiling what kind of people designed the puzzle? It ain't CSI dude! Which...ironically has it's own point and click game.

Haha... you've never tried to get a fish into your ear, have you?

Granted, that was text based, not point and click.

Mar 16, 2012#9

Yoshimickster

I figured out how to use a chicken with a pull string didn't I?

Mar 16, 2012#10

Frankie Williamson

Yoshimickster said:
Profiling what kind of people designed the puzzle? It ain't CSI dude! Which...ironically has it's own point and click game.

The puzzles were RARELY solved logically. No one could logically assume that in order to trick a guy you need to draw a mustache on a stolen ID and then, in order to match the mustache you needed to trick a cat into going through a hole with some tape above it so you could create a fake mustache with the cat hair to match the mustache on the ID that you drew on it. If that was logic to you, then you are a crazy person. For the rest of us, we had to assume that Roberta Williams was a fucking crazy person before we tried to solve the puzzle. This wasn't always the case, but for a lot of point and click adventures, it sure as hell was.

Mar 16, 2012#11

Ravenpoe

Frankie Williamson said:
The puzzles were RARELY solved logically. No one could logically assume that in order to trick a guy you need to draw a mustache on a stolen ID and then, in order to match the mustache you needed to trick a cat into going through a hole with some tape above it so you could create a fake mustache with the cat hair to match the mustache on the ID that you drew on it. If that was logic to you, then you are a crazy person. For the rest of us, we had to assume that Roberta Williams was a fucking crazy person before we tried to solve the puzzle. This wasn't always the case, but for a lot of point and click adventures, it sure as hell was.

Was that a Gabriel Knight game? I think I remember that goddamn puzzle.

Mar 17, 2012#12

Bowielee

It sounds more SpaceQuest-ey.

I always thought that the Monkey Island games used somewhat normal logic, or at the very least cartoon logic (I'm looking at YOU rubber caber!).

OH, and for the record, I own a fully legal copy of Grim Fandango , though, I haven't tried installing Grim Fandango in a while, I wonder how well it plays with Win 7.

Mar 17, 2012#13

Frankie Williamson

Poe was right, it's from Gabriel Knight 3, the game that almost single handedly murdered the adventure genre.

Mar 17, 2012#14

Bowielee

I never played the Gabriel Knight games.

Mar 17, 2012#15

Frankie Williamson

Bowielee said:
It sounds more SpaceQuest-ey.

I always thought that the Monkey Island games used somewhat normal logic, or at the very least cartoon logic (I'm looking at YOU rubber caber!).

OH, and for the record, I own a fully legal copy of Grim Fandango , though, I haven't tried installing Grim Fandango in a while, I wonder how well it plays with Win 7.

Well, no one could ever accuse Ron Gilbert of being bad at designing puzzles. The dude is a fucking genius.

But the insane, dream logic a lot of adventure games used was part of what shuffled the genre off to it's late 90's grave.

Mar 17, 2012#16

Bowielee

Seeing as the Double Fine Adventure game is in the hands of both Tim Shaefer and Ron Gilbert, I'm practically pissing myself in anticipation. And Tim is also one to use actual puzzle logic instead of the insane stuff.

Mar 17, 2012#17

Frankie Williamson

Bowielee said:
Seeing as the Double Fine Adventure game is in the hands of both Tim Shaefer and Ron Gilbert, I'm practically pissing myself in anticipation. And Tim is also one to use actual puzzle logic instead of the insane stuff.

Yeah me too, which is why I was in for the Kickstarter. Unfortunately, their games were often enough the exception to the rule of adventure games. For every Grim Fandango (the pinnacle of adventure titles) there were a dozen Gabriel Knight 3s.

Mar 17, 2012#18

Bowielee

Though, really, isn't that true of any genre of gaming. For every Modern Warfare, there's a few craptastic FPS games. For every Mario, there are mountains of terrible platformers (hell, some of which even feature Mario

Mar 17, 2012#19

Frankie Williamson

Well, I think there were fewer stand-out adventure titles than in most genres and then mostly from the same couple of designers.

Mar 17, 2012#20

Bowielee

I think just evolutionarily, they fell off. They were a natural progression of the text adventure, but lost it's way as they became more bloated. I hate to say it, but the Leisure Suit Larry, Space Quest, and King's Quest games went a ling way to putting a knife in the heart of the genre. They all tended to have those non-sensical puzzles, and they were hugely best sellers at the time. Of course, back then, selling 10 thousand copies was a rousing success.

Mar 17, 2012#21

figmentPez

Bowielee said:
OH, and for the record, I own a fully legal copy of Grim Fandango , though, I haven't tried installing Grim Fandango in a while, I wonder how well it plays with Win 7.

It doesn't run very well at all, but there is a VM called Residual that now works well enough to play the game.

Mar 19, 2012#22

GasBandit

Did you guys play Rain-slick precipice?

Mar 19, 2012#23

Frankie Williamson

If you click my STEAM PROFILE you'd know that I did indeed.

So, yes, yes I did.

Mar 19, 2012#24

GasBandit

Frankie Williamson said:
If you click my STEAM PROFILE you'd know that I did indeed.

So, yes, yes I did.

I only played the first one, it seemed ok. Kind of a point'n'click with Final Fantasy style combat. How was the rest of it?

Mar 19, 2012#25

Frankie Williamson

The second game was more of the same, mostly (there's some newish gameplay mechanics), and doesn't really have an ending since Hothead moved on to do other shit without making the third game.

TS;II (Too shitty; isn't interesting) if you liked the first one, you'll dig the second.

Mar 19, 2012#26

GasBandit

Bummer they didn't make the third. I hate no endings.

Mar 19, 2012#27

ThatNickGuy

GasBandit said:
Bummer they didn't make the third. I hate no endings.

Sounds like my prom night. :foreveralone:

Mar 19, 2012#28

fade

GasBandit said:
Bummer they didn't make the third. I hate no endings.

Advent Rising. So much potential. Such crappy gameplay. Such a good story. Where is the rest of the story??

Mar 20, 2012#29

Yoshimickster

Know what I need to get? The ballads of Reemus. It started out as a flash-series on Newgrounds. Anyone here of it?

Mar 25, 2012#30

Bowielee

figmentPez said:
It doesn't run very well at all, but there is a VM called Residual that now works well enough to play the game.

Does that work with Monkey Island 4 as well? Newers windows doesn't like that game either.

Mar 25, 2012#31

figmentPez

Bowielee said:
Does that work with Monkey Island 4 as well? Newers windows doesn't like that game either.

From what I've read EMI support is still in development, I have no idea how broken it still is.

Mar 25, 2012#32

Yoshimickster

Bowielee said:
Does that work with Monkey Island 4 as well? Newers windows doesn't like that game either.

Not sure, it didn't wasn't made with the SCUMM engine so probly not.

Mar 25, 2012#33

figmentPez

Yoshimickster said:
Not sure, it didn't wasn't made with the SCUMM engine so probly not.

Grim Fandango wasn't made on the SCUMM engine, either. Which is why ResidualVM was made to run it (and eventually EMI).

Mar 26, 2012#34

Bowielee

Thank god for ScummVM, BTW. I'd have a whole bunch of useless disks if it weren't for that program.

It's so good, in fact, that it's what Steam uses for running those old adventure games. I looked into the file folder for my copy of the Broken Sword series and it's literally just the ScummVM engine and ISOs of the game files.

Mar 26, 2012#35

Yoshimickster

Bowielee said:
Thank god for ScummVM, BTW. I'd have a whole bunch of useless disks if it weren't for that program.

It's so good, in fact, that it's what Steam uses for running those old adventure games. I looked into the file folder for my copy of the Broken Sword series and it's literally just the ScummVM engine and ISOs of the game files.

It's how I was able to play Monkey Island 2! Wish I knew there was a way to make the game FULL-screen. Played it like a youtube video the hole time.

How's Broken Sword?

Mar 26, 2012#36

Bowielee

Scumm VM has a setting right in it to play fullscreen.

I've played through the first 2 games and it sure scratches the point and click adventure itch. The only real negative I can think of is that many of the puzzles are pretty easy.

Mar 26, 2012#37

Yoshimickster

Bowielee said:
Scumm VM has a setting right in it to play fullscreen.

I've played through the first 2 games and it sure scratches the point and click adventure itch. The only real negative I can think of is that many of the puzzles are pretty easy.

Oh I know NOW just when I was playing MI2, I had no idea. And I'm not sure about easy puzzles, but I'll check it out anyway!

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