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http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-panel-sticks-white-only-pool-sign-ruling-151624022.html

Wow, just wow.

How could some one think that they could put up a Whites Only sign and think no one would care...

That is just absurd. how about a general "shower before entering the pool" sign just like any other pool. That place is begging to be vandalized....

So this should actually be a female:

If they wanted to ban something like a specific hair product I'd have no issue with it. If the sign read, "No X brand hair products allowed in the pool!" it would be fine.

But it doesn't seem to me like they wanted to ban hair products...

Just like all the activists coming up in arms for BlackPeopleMeet.Com right? Oh wait.... it's only when White people are discriminating others, not the other way around. Sorry, I forgot.

Shegokigo said:

Just like all the activists coming up in arms for BlackPeopleMeet.Com right? Oh wait.... it's only when White people are discriminating others, not the other way around. Sorry, I forgot.

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That's a private company and can legally discriminate if they want. (Of course, people can protest it or boycott, etc.) This was a public pool.

edit: Not a public pool. The sign said public but it's an apartment complex. But I'll bet there's something in the lease agreement about using the pool.

*shrug* They advertise publically.

Shegokigo said:

Just like all the activists coming up in arms for BlackPeopleMeet.Com right? Oh wait.... it's only when White people are discriminating others, not the other way around. Sorry, I forgot.

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Yeah, it's weird how it's only an issue when the people with power are doing the discriminating... i mean no one said anything to those jews that didn't want aryans marrying their kids circa the 1930's...


Also, would you really complain about a dating site that's irish only?
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Dave said:

If they wanted to ban something like a specific hair product I'd have no issue with it. If the sign read, "No X brand hair products allowed in the pool!" it would be fine.

But it doesn't seem to me like they wanted to ban hair products...

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Actually the sign appears to be from 1931... and they didn't have hair gel back then i guess.

Shegokigo said:

Just like all the activists coming up in arms for BlackPeopleMeet.Com right? Oh wait.... it's only when White people are discriminating others, not the other way around. Sorry, I forgot.

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The NAACP could have a gripe against eHarmony and Match.com...

Not really, they're allowed to sign up. If anything, GLAAD would probably be the only ones to have a problem with eHarmony.

Do you actually care about the website or are you just trying to use it as a spoiler?

Because there's a significant difference. With the website you could argue that no non-blacks would even want to use the site as it is entirely populated by people who are self-selecting themselves to only be searching for black mates. Meaning that the service is completely valueless for a white person. This is the same as a lesbians only website not allowing men on. The men get no value from the site and detract value from it simultaneously.

Whereas with the pool, it isn't white's only because the pool will only operate in a pleasing manner to white people, it's that way because one person thinks that black people will lower the value of the pool for all users. Which is false, for one, and since the black person could still get value from the pool (as opposed to the white person and the website), it actually has a negative affect on people based on the color of their skin.

Basically there are two affects at issue here.

1) Is the discrimated against being there detracting value? For both the website and the pool some may argue yes, but it's questionable in both places.

2) Is the discrimated against loosing value by not having access? This is only true for the pool.

So you're saying there'd be ZERO outcry from non-white racial activists if suddenly advertisements for "WhitePeopleMeet.Com" started showing up on TV?

Somehow I think you're finding an opposition position to stand on when there isn't one.

Necronic said:

This is the same as a lesbians only website not allowing men on.

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Hey, way to spoil my trump card...
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Shegokigo said:

So you're saying there'd be ZERO outcry from non-white racial activists if suddenly advertisements for "WhitePeopleMeet.Com" started showing up on TV?

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In a country where whites are both a minority and not in a position of power?

But really, i think the site says more about how black people are viewed by society at large as an ethnicity, while white people are divided amongst more ethnicities, which is why i brought up the irish thing...

Shegokigo said:

So you're saying there'd be ZERO outcry from non-white racial activists if suddenly advertisements for "WhitePeopleMeet.Com" started showing up on TV?

Somehow I think you're finding an opposition position to stand on when there isn't one.

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I think that a WhitePeopleMeet.com would be perfectly fine to be honest, because anyone screwed up enough to want to find a dating partner on there is not someone I would ever want to date. I would assume anyone using it was some member of the arian nation.

Really though I don't think there is any demand for such a thing though, as white people are a majority. A dating sight that caters to a niche audience makes sense to a degree, as they don't want to spend 70% of their time on a regular site searching through people they have no interest in.

If someone were to make such a site it would get lambasted in the media, but it would fail because there is no demand for it. Now if they did it in the Phillipines, or Korea, or some place where whites were a minority, I don't think there would be any outcry.

But regardless, noboday said racism/PC stuff is fair. White people have to tread more carefully. This pool situation, on the other hand, isn't even a case of people being overly PC. This is someone clearly violating civil rights while making a direct reference to the days of segregation.

Might as well include cotton farming duties in the rental agreements for black tenants, and title the property "40 acres and a mule" (all checks made payable to "Massah Realty llc")

Necronic said:

But regardless, noboday said racism/PC stuff is fair. White people have to tread more carefully. This pool situation, on the other hand, isn't even a case of people being overly PC. This is someone clearly violating civil rights while making a direct reference to the days of segregation.

Might as well include cotton farming duties in the rental agreements for black tenants, and title the property "40 acres and a mule"

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It's exactly the same, just worded differently. Whether "you'd choose to look for a partner there or not".

Also, where has the Lesbian only website commercials on National Television been playing because I've missed everyone.... oh wait, that point is invalid too because there isn't one.

You're right that the black dating site is discriminatory. But I think that there is a difference between discriminatory and civil rights violations/racism. You're making me work hard to figure out exactly what it is though....

You should put up a thread about it in the politics/religion section. Would get some interesting conversation going.

Shegokigo said:

Also, where has the Lesbian only website commercials on National Television been playing because I've missed everyone.... oh wait, that point is invalid too because there isn't one.

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Yeah, but there's kind of a different reason for that one...

Necronic said:

You're right that the black dating site is discriminatory. But I think that there is a difference between discriminatory and civil rights violations/racism. You're making me work hard to figure out exactly what it is though....

You should put up a thread about it in the politics/religion section. Would get some interesting conversation going.

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It's because they're sneaky about it. Maybe a little less sneaky about it than eHarmony (You don't find out about the Religion and No-Gay restrictions until after you try signing up).

Dating, by itself, is discriminatory... just ask brunettes.

I dunno, I'm brunette... then again I am currently single. Now I can just blame it on my hair color...

Further, I tend to navigate more toward Blondes and Redheads so double damn you on being right...

Shegokigo said:

Further, I tend to navigate more toward Blondes and Redheads so double damn you on being right...

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Ha, finally, my twice a day moment...

Black people can't swim anyhow, none of this should be an issue.

I'm a brunette, but then I gravitated toward a blonde... but she gravitated toward me, so hah!

You know who liked brunettes?

GasBandit said:

You know who liked brunettes?

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SeraRelm said:

Spoiler: Oh you!

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You know, it's funny how ridiculous the worlds biggest monsters actually looked...

@Li3n said:

You know, it's funny how ridiculous the worlds biggest monsters actually looked...

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Yeah, Porsche looks completely ridiculous.

@Li3n said:

while white people are divided amongst more ethnicities, which is why i brought up the irish thing...

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I can't speak for your country, but in the U.S. generally no one gives a shit about that anymore.

Quotemander Prime said:

I can't speak for your country, but in the U.S. generally no one gives a shit about that anymore.

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It is still there to some extent. My brother had a guy that kept telling him Irish jokes. So I armed my brother with a few zingers for the majority of European nationalities. The one he ended up using on him...

So, do you know why Scotsmen wear kilts?

Because sheep can hear a zipper at 50 yards.


He quit telling my brother the Irish jokes.

sixpackshaker said:

It is still there to some extent. My brother had a guy that kept telling him Irish jokes. So I armed my brother with a few zingers for the majority of European nationalities. The one he ended up using on him...

So, do you know why Scotsmen wear kilts?

Because sheep can hear a zipper at 50 yards.


He quit telling my brother the Irish jokes.

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There are still jokes and in a city you're going to notice neighborhoods still, but you're not going to see "Irish Need Not Apply" signs or a division between western or eastern Europe on any forms. It's all "white" now.

Quotemander Prime said:

I can't speak for your country, but in the U.S. generally no one gives a shit about that anymore.

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Which only helps my point...

Aside: Newfoundlanders are the brunt of many Canadian jokes. Even newspapers refer to us as Newfies..which a lot of Newfoundlanders find to be derogatory.

I just don't care.

Man, living in Alberta, in rural oilfield Alberta at that, for as long as I did, I met a lot of Newfoundlanders and every one of them to a T would refer to themselves as Newfs or Newfies.

Almost all of them barely had any sort of accent unless you got a pint in them or there was more than one of them around, then they stop speaking English and start speaking Newfish which is nearly incomprehensible.

It's OUR word. Many don't care if another Newfie says it (see?).

However, I have seen many, many, MANY Facebook post, news articles and that kinda silliness decrying its use, even amongst Newfoundlanders. Foolish really. It's just a word...but I keep getting scowled at for using it.

LittleSin said:

It's OUR word. Many don't care if another Newfie says it (see?).

However, I have seen many, many, MANY Facebook post, news articles and that kinda silliness decrying its use, even amongst Newfoundlanders. Foolish really. It's just a word...but I keep getting scowled at for using it.

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They're just a bunch of porchmonkeys.

Ravenpoe said:

They're just a bunch of porchmonkeys.

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He's taking it back.

Sheegs, Sheegs, Sheegs.

First, racism and it's common bastardization.

Descrimination is a byproduct of racism, but not in and of itself racism. It is possible to have descrimination without racism, as is the case of the web site that is causing so much of an issue with you.

Racism is using a position of power by the ruling race to descriminate against a minority race. This is always the biggest argument when new students take a cultural awareness course in college and the teacher states that minority groups can not be racist. It's because people don't really understand what the word actually means.

As the ruling race in America is still whites, they are the only race that can actually be racist. Racism is defined by which group is in power.

Black only dating cites are, by definition descriminatory, but not racist.

J-Date is desctriminatory, but not racist.

Whites for whites WOULD be descriminatory AND racist as it is the race in power that is doing the descriminating.

Now, does this make it ethically right? that's a completely different question.

I'm still gonna be mockin' Swedes...

Bowielee said:

Sheegs, Sheegs, Sheegs.

First, racism and it's common bastardization.

Descrimination is a byproduct of racism, but not in and of itself racism. It is possible to have descrimination without racism, as is the case of the web site that is causing so much of an issue with you.

Racism is using a position of power by the ruling race to descriminate against a minority race. This is always the biggest argument when new students take a cultural awareness course in college and the teacher states that minority groups can not be racist. It's because people don't really understand what the word actually means.

As the ruling race in America is still whites, they are the only race that can actually be racist. Racism is defined by which group is in power.

Black only dating cites are, by definition descriminatory, but not racist.

J-Date is desctriminatory, but not racist.

Whites for whites WOULD be descriminatory AND racist as it is the race in power that is doing the descriminating.

Now, does this make it ethically right? that's a completely different question.

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Talk about murdering something with semantics...

@Li3n said:

Talk about murdering something with semantics...

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You need to steer a thread off-topic, not just tell people what to discuss instead so they'll do it.

The point is, there's a reason those sites are not racist and one for whites only would be. Which is what makes them wrong.

Bowielee said:

Racism is using a position of power by the ruling race to descriminate against a minority race.

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Racism:
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Please note that the primary and tertiary definitions of the word racism have nothing to do with what group is in power. Any person or group that holds that one race is inherently superior or inferior, or who holds hatred or intolerance based on race, is racist. Individuals or groups from minorities can be racist against the majority. Minorities can be racist towards other minorities. A person or group from the majority can even be racist against themselves, if they're a particular breed of masochist. Anyone who believes that race determines a group or indivdual's place in the world is racist, regardless of if they are in power, or not.

Officer_Charon said:

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Don't get Poe started on a racist rant... or it'll be epic.

I can't say anything. I'm a white male - thus my argument is invalid.

Furthermore, I'm a cop - and everyone KNOWS we're racist as HELL.

oc, you nazi communist jew bastard

figmentPez said:

Racism:
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Please note that the primary and tertiary definitions of the word racism have nothing to do with what group is in power. Any person or group that holds that one race is inherently superior or inferior, or who holds hatred or intolerance based on race, is racist. Individuals or groups from minorities can be racist against the majority. Minorities can be racist towards other minorities. A person or group from the majority can even be racist against themselves, if they're a particular breed of masochist. Anyone who believes that race determines a group or indivdual's place in the world is racist, regardless of if they are in power, or not.

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I was just going to let this be and stop following the thread, but in a way, you actually supported my argument, which to be honest I may have not been clear on.

If you're looking at institutinalized racism or legal definitions of racism, the second definition is the only one that matters. The other two would deal with morality.

As I said, the morality is debatable, but the governmental role is not.

Bowielee said:

I was just going to let this be and stop following the thread, but in a way, you actually supported my argument, which to be honest I may have not been clear on.

If you're looking at institutinalized racism or legal definitions of racism, the second definition is the only one that matters. The other two would deal with morality.

As I said, the morality is debatable, but the governmental role is not.

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If you're talking strictly about government, then a government that allows a black-only dating service to exist, while banning a white-only dating service, is promoting racism, and is thus racist. It doesn't matter if the minorities are the one's being given the "privilege" of discriminating against the majority, it's still racism.

If a white-only dating site is presumed to exist because of the racism of it's clients (and that's a very reasonable assumption), then the only conclusion is that a black/asian/star-bellied-sneech-only dating site also exists solely because of racism. It doesn't matter who is in the majority. If it is wrong for a white person to insist on dating a white person, then it is wrong for a person of another race to insist on dating within their race, as well.

The presumption that the majority in power will only ever discriminate in it's own favor is a false one. A vocal minority sometimes get it's way in a government, or a majority make stupid decisions. So a government can discriminate against a majority. More than that, the standard for a government being racist is not solely discriminating against a race, but also promoting racist ideologies at all.

I'm gonna leave this at agree to disagree.

Bowielee said:

I'm gonna leave this at agree to disagree.

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Dude, sorry, but you're totally wrong...

It's racism whether or not the people practising it have power... it's just that when they don't it doesn't much affect the people discriminated against if they have no power... but that doesn't change the textbook definition of racism...


As for the whites only dating site, the reason why everyone would see it as racist is because of history... if it wasn't for that no one would see it as any worse then a jewish, muslim or wiccan dating site... but that doesn't actually change the definition of racism...
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figmentPez said:

If you're talking strictly about government, then a government that allows a black-only dating service to exist, while banning a white-only dating service, is promoting racism, and is thus racist.

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Yes, i't like allowing a jewish dating site, but not a KKK one... now there's some racist government.

I did some quick skimming, but has anyone actually thought of the fact that a Jewish-only dating site doesn't actually hurt anybody, whereas this white's only pool incident actually is?

Context is so key with all of this shit. You can't just go walking around with a big rubber stamp saying this and that is racist.

Also, we're not racist, we love white people: ford trucks apple pies bald eagles!

ElJuski said:

I did some quick skimming, but has anyone actually thought of the fact that a Jewish-only dating site doesn't actually hurt anybody

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Oh really... what about white people with a fetish for crooked noses... you didn't think of them, did you... racist.

Just so I get this right, which of these is racist?

Officer_Charon said:

I can't say anything. I'm a white male - thus my argument is invalid.

Furthermore, I'm a cop - and everyone KNOWS we're racist as HELL.

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I know how you feel. I'm a white, blue-eyed, blonde male from Scandinavia. I can't say jack shit

What's worse is that due to treatments I am now bald as well

In the UK it is against the law to discriminate against any person on racial grounds. This applies to ALL races.

ElJuski said:

I did some quick skimming, but has anyone actually thought of the fact that a Jewish-only dating site doesn't actually hurt anybody, whereas this white's only pool incident actually is?

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Because any race of person can be Jewish.

Judaism is both a religion and a people. Interestingly, it follows a matriarchal line of progression in that you're only Jewish if your mother is/was Jewish.

Shegokigo said:

Because any race of person can be Jewish.

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Yeah, all you have to do is bleed a little: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew?#Converts_to_Judaism

Ouch...

Also, for some you're one even if you're of another faith: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew?#Jews_who_have_practiced_another_faith
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SeraRelm said:

Judaism is both a religion and a people. Interestingly, it follows a matriarchal line of progression in that you're only Jewish if your mother is/was Jewish.

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Not that interesting considering a lack of paternity tests and no country for almost 2000 years... pretty much the best way to be sure of genetic continuity under those conditions.

True, which is smart, but considering the fact most societies tend to be patriarchal, it's interesting.

Sheg, it's more like, people coming together because of cultural similarities isn't racism, much like a bunch of White Sox fans aren't being prejudiced for all going to a White Sox bar. It's pretty sickening that people try and point fingers about racism if there's any hint of like-people coming together. The White's Only pool thing is much more different, and much more awful, because it bears both a cultural burden as well as a strictly physical limitation.

Which isn't to say that white culture does this all the time anyways.

Which isn't to say that, in certain regards, that's not necessarily a bad thing, either. But the whole white people cultural homogeny thing is also a very sticky subject in this universe, because, well. White American culture fucked tons of people over for the last several centuries.

SeraRelm said:

Just so I get this right, which of these is racist?

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The second one.

The first one makes no reference to race. At all.

--Patrick

word. its just a dude eating chicken.

Yeah, i still don't get the Fried Chicken thing... who the hell doesn't like fried chicken?

@Li3n said:

Yeah, i still don't get the Fried Chicken thing... who the hell doesn't like fried chicken?

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I don't.


...That's a lie. But I don't eat it because it's bad for me.

chikan gud

Clearly, a stereotype invented by vegans...

Ok guys, figure this dating site out.

www.farmersonly.com

Ravenpoe said:

Ok guys, figure this dating site out.

www.farmersonly.com

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The level of discrimination is astounding:

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