Prom canceled due to "teh GAY"!

[drifter]

I forgot where it was the Student body that cancelled the prom originally. believe it or not many people honestly just don't give a fuck, and don't appreciated being called discriminatory hicks because of it.

Certainly, it wasn't the student body that canceled prom. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have gathered themselves to tell the school administrators to just go ahead and let them attend. It's one thing to not give a fuck; it's another to be complicit with the discrimination, and judging by the few comments quoted, it seems indicative that it is the case.

 

[SpecialKO]

Certainly, it wasn't the student body that canceled prom. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have gathered themselves to tell the school administrators to just go ahead and let them attend. It's one thing to not give a fuck; it's another to be complicit with the discrimination, and judging by the few comments quoted, it seems indicative that it is the case.

Exactly.

Dunno if it's a generational, or geographical, or whatever thing, but going by how popular a lot of the gay students in my school were, my class would have told the administration to go screw themselves, just because it was the administration who said it.

 

[Fun Size]

Certainly, it wasn't the student body that canceled prom. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have gathered themselves to tell the school administrators to just go ahead and let them attend. It's one thing to not give a fuck; it's another to be complicit with the discrimination, and judging by the few comments quoted, it seems indicative that it is the case.

Exactly.

Dunno if it's a generational, or geographical, or whatever thing, but going by how popular a lot of the gay students in my school were, my class would have told the administration to go screw themselves, just because it was the administration who said it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but you guys were just into sticking it to the man. Which might explain why so many of you were okay with the gay students, now that I think about it...

 

[Chibibar]

In case you didn't think the people involved were evil enough

**Open Minded Readers Only**
I am a senior at IAHS, and I’ve known Constance for the last 6 years. Please hear our side of the story before you decide on our fate.
The party we had in Evergreen (the county neighborhood I live in) is 30 mins away from the school. we rented out the community center, hired vendors, decorated, and our parents ran the security/chaperone staff- but it wasn’t prom. Prom was at the country club where constance and 7 other students were. The reason the senior class boycotted the actual prom was not because we hate gays. We wanted a drama-free gathering to celebrate 3 great years and 1 lousy one together, and we wanted to lay low. We also wanted to do it without the main cause of the lousy. What people are failing to realize is that much of the fault of this whole stink lies with Constance, not her mistreatment by the school district, but her crazy-reckless need for attention. It sounds mean and horrible and like we planned it all specifically to embarrass Constance, but we didn’t. We let her have her prom with her girlfriend and her tuxedo and we went to party it up in the “boondocks” not because we wanted her rights violated, but so we could salvage what has turned into a total fiasco. As a whole we didn’t support her decision to throw the district under the bus, or her insinuations that we’re all just a bunch ‘a hicks driving around in beater pick up trucks spitting tobacco and burning crosses. IAHS is one of the top schools in the state and I’m proud of that, and I’m proud that we took a stand and just said you know what? forget it, we have just as much right as you do to have a party for ourselves. So we did, and now we’re getting flack because poor Connie’s ego got a bit of bruising. She’s playing the lesbian card to prove she ALWAYS gets what she wants. This time, we didn’t just let her.
Take it as you will, because I’m sure it sounds like we faked her out, but understand this- the decision NOT to attend prom had nothing to do with the school or with Constance’s sexual preferences; it had everything to do with proving we weren’t going to let her and the ACLU steamroll us into doing what Constance wanted. We flexed the muscle of the majority and we’ll suffer the consequences.

http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2010/...-fake-prom-for-lesbian-student/#comment-14453

They took a stand against... what, exactly?[/QUOTE]

God, what despicable people.[/QUOTE]

heh. I guess these kids didn't get the edumication in high school they act EXACTLY they didn't want to be labeled.

 

[SpecialKO]

Certainly, it wasn't the student body that canceled prom. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have gathered themselves to tell the school administrators to just go ahead and let them attend. It's one thing to not give a fuck; it's another to be complicit with the discrimination, and judging by the few comments quoted, it seems indicative that it is the case.

Exactly.

Dunno if it's a generational, or geographical, or whatever thing, but going by how popular a lot of the gay students in my school were, my class would have told the administration to go screw themselves, just because it was the administration who said it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but you guys were just into sticking it to the man. Which might explain why so many of you were okay with the gay students, now that I think about it...[/QUOTE]

True. I cannot in good faith claim otherwise since it's been over a decade.

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

I love how they try to shift the blame toward Constance. How dare that queer desire equal treatment!!!!

 

[Norris]

While the school was wrong...I'd have to think there is more to this story than just "Lesbian meets discrimination, overcomes it with ACLU, gets discriminated again" if only SEVEN people showed up to the official prom. Think about it for a second - the entire rest of the senior class funded, attended, and concealed a second prom because they were sick of this girl. Either it is the single least gay friendly town in America...or there's something about the Lesbian girl's behavior/attitude/whatever that we're not hearing.

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

I dunno...I think the kid kinda had a point. The school has the right to set a dress code and dictate who you are allowed to bring to a school sponsored event. They even had the right to cancel the event. And I somehow doubt that there would have been a problem if the girl hadn't gone to the school saying "i'm bringing my girlfriend and wearing tux because we're totally lesbians, ok?".

So she should be forced to dress in a manner that makes her feel uncomfortable and doesn't represent who she is? This is a fucking public school.

Gay people have the same rights as straight people do...but no one likes it when you thrust your sexuality in their face, hetero or homo.

Tell me how gay people "thrusting sexuality in someone's face" consists of doing anything different from what straight couples do every day in public all over the country? Note: this means doing something more than kissing, hugging, holding hands, showing affection, smiling at each other, wearing the clothes they want to wear, going on dates, going to school dances dressed in dresses and tuxes, publicly expressing their love and affection for another person, getting married, shopping together, giving each other eskimo kisses, showing pride in who you are, etc.

Originally I was totally on the girl's side. The school still comes out of this smelling like shit and they totally handled this wrong at every stage. But she has managed to tick off literally all but five other members of the senior class who wanted to attend prom. Think about that for a second. Either that town is bigoted beyond belief and she's lucky to have not been hate-crimed yet...or she's an attention whore who uses her sexuality to get her way. Considering I knew a couple of girls in high school who fell into that latter category, I'm sort of starting to see the student body's point.

It's the bold part. Did you know that before all this stuff happened with Constance McMillan, a transgendered student was forced not only out of the school but out of the town? http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/ar...ended-a-transgendered-student-back-in-january

EDIT: Also, re "uses her sexuality to get her way" in this case, "her way" was going to the prom with all of her classmates and taking her date of choice and dressing in something similar to what half the people there would be wearing. Why shouldn't she have gotten her way? How exactly was she using her sexuality to get her way when it was her sexuality that prevented her from getting her way? Should she not have complained about the school's blatantly bigoted actions?

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

lollin about quoting you before you edited your post. Either way, my response stands.

 

[Shegokigo]

Reading through the articles "after fake prom" remind me of my oiriginal high school/community way too much. Though there, it was about religious reasons and not "moral" ones.

 

[Rob King]

Reading through the articles "after fake prom" remind me of my oiriginal high school/community way too much. Though there, it was about religious reasons and not "moral" ones.

I'm not sure I understand the distinction. If they call it 'moral' reasons, isn't that just 'religious reasons that we want to make seem secular so that you won't just toss us in the loony bin'?

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

Also the whole idea of them just wanting to have a prom without the media circus because they were sick of this girl would be more convincing if they hadn't used tactics that have been commonly used to exclude black students from predominantly white proms and if they hadn't also uninvited the special needs kids.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Reading through the articles "after fake prom" remind me of my oiriginal high school/community way too much. Though there, it was about religious reasons and not "moral" ones.

I'm not sure I understand the distinction. If they call it 'moral' reasons, isn't that just 'religious reasons that we want to make seem secular so that you won't just toss us in the loony bin'?[/QUOTE]

No, because:

1. Not everyone's morals are based on religion.

2. Some people hate homosexuals not because of religion. Don't ask me why they do, but I don't think they were killed in Nazi Germany or some atheist Slavic countries based on "God's will".

It's amazing what goes on through high school, and so many people have to experience graduation and getting on with their lives to realize that high school means precisely dick.

 

[Bowielee]

Man, how I HATE the "thrusting your sexuality in my face" argument. I have heterosexuality shoved in my face almost every minute of every day. Whether it's the fact that almost every movie ever made features guy on girl action, or a hetero couple holding hands down the street. All that, and as soon as someone wants to be treated like everyone else, they're "shoving it in your face".

GRARRAARRRARARARAR

GAYRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dave]

If a lesbian shoved her sexuality in my face I'd probably like it.

'Course, she wouldn't be much of a lesbian then.

These kids need to learn that in some cases it's better to say nothing and look like tools than to open your mouth and prove it.

 

[Covar]

2. Some people hate homosexuals not because of religion. Don't ask me why they do, but I don't think they were killed in Nazi Germany or some atheist Slavic countries based on "God's will".

The Nazi Germany thing is an easy one. If you are going about trying to create the master race of supreme human beings those who will never pass on their "superior" genetic material don't make the cut.

 

[Dubyamn]

While the school was wrong...I'd have to think there is more to this story than just "Lesbian meets discrimination, overcomes it with ACLU, gets discriminated again" if only SEVEN people showed up to the official prom. Think about it for a second - the entire rest of the senior class funded, attended, and concealed a second prom because they were sick of this girl. Either it is the single least gay friendly town in America...or there's something about the Lesbian girl's behavior/attitude/whatever that we're not hearing.

It wasn't an official prom. The Judge didn't order the school to reinstate the official prom because the parents were throwing a replacement prom that he was assured she would be allowed to attend. This wasn't a group of kids funding a secret prom for themselves to avoid drama this was the parents
1. Outright lying to the judge.
2. Creating a false "prom" I'm guessing they saved money by skimping on everything, DJ, transportation, lights, food.
3. Then selected the undesirables who were told the prom would be taking place at the country club while informing the other kids about the place the real party would be taking place at.

They violated their agreement with the judge and outright humiliated the girl, the special ed kids and whoever else wasn't invited to the real prom.

 

[Chibibar]

While the school was wrong...I'd have to think there is more to this story than just "Lesbian meets discrimination, overcomes it with ACLU, gets discriminated again" if only SEVEN people showed up to the official prom. Think about it for a second - the entire rest of the senior class funded, attended, and concealed a second prom because they were sick of this girl. Either it is the single least gay friendly town in America...or there's something about the Lesbian girl's behavior/attitude/whatever that we're not hearing.

It wasn't an official prom. The Judge didn't order the school to reinstate the official prom because the parents were throwing a replacement prom that he was assured she would be allowed to attend. This wasn't a group of kids funding a secret prom for themselves to avoid drama this was the parents
1. Outright lying to the judge.
2. Creating a false "prom" I'm guessing they saved money by skimping on everything, DJ, transportation, lights, food.
3. Then selected the undesirables who were told the prom would be taking place at the country club while informing the other kids about the place the real party would be taking place at.

They violated their agreement with the judge and outright humiliated the girl, the special ed kids and whoever else wasn't invited to the real prom.[/QUOTE]

you be surprise how some bible belt community can do.

 

[Rob King]

Reading through the articles "after fake prom" remind me of my oiriginal high school/community way too much. Though there, it was about religious reasons and not "moral" ones.

I'm not sure I understand the distinction. If they call it 'moral' reasons, isn't that just 'religious reasons that we want to make seem secular so that you won't just toss us in the loony bin'?[/QUOTE]

No, because:

1. Not everyone's morals are based on religion.

2. Some people hate homosexuals not because of religion. Don't ask me why they do, but I don't think they were killed in Nazi Germany or some atheist Slavic countries based on "God's will".

It's amazing what goes on through high school, and so many people have to experience graduation and getting on with their lives to realize that high school means precisely dick.[/QUOTE]

To be clear, I wasn't saying that atheists (or otherwise non-religious persons) have no morals. My thought was that if you are a religious person, then that is what informs your morals. Therefore morals and religious reasons become the same.

I see what you're saying though. Although after some thought ... I know some Muslims who have no ethical or moral problem with pork, but they don't eat it anyways, just as an affirmation of their faith. So I'm wrong either way.

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

Dave, I really don't see where you're coming from here. She really should've just rolled over and not done anything when the school said she couldn't participate in prom, which is a pretty ubiquitous rite of passage in high school, because she's gay?


EDIT: It's entirely possible I'm completely misunderstanding your post and you're talking about the messages posted by the IAHS students defending the fake prom

 

[Dubyamn]

Dave, I really don't see where you're coming from here. She really should've just rolled over and not done anything when the school said she couldn't participate in prom, which is a pretty ubiquitous rite of passage in high school, because she's gay?


EDIT: It's entirely possible I'm completely misunderstanding your post and you're talking about the messages posted by the IAHS students defending the fake prom

You've figured it out.

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

Yeah I realized that was exactly what was happening when I edited the post, lol