Check it out though, Morrion at his Morrisoniest!Shit, right. I honestly forgot they basically HAVE a team like this now. Please keep in mind that I barely pay attention to Marvel or DC anymore.
I'd like to! I've heard good stuff about it and I like most of Morrison's work. I don't know how it slipped me mind. I was discussing Marvel's Exiles in another forum and was inspired to make this idea.Check it out though, Morrion at his Morrisoniest!
Yeah, but not until they made him pick one.-Saying Guido from X-Factor didn't have a superhero name (he did: Strong Guy)
Fortunately, I have editing capabilities, so...DONE!They need to make the first paragraph in italics, bold, or some other identifying script to let the reader know when editorializing ends and Nick begins.
I don't know if your can do anything about this, but in a couple of spots, the section titles do this on mobile.Fortunately, I have editing capabilities, so...DONE!
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Which is exactly why I stick almost exclusively to Image titles these days. I can go from Volume 1 to Volume 2 without needing to read anything else.NOW it reads better. And so far I agree with your points. The big events - excuse me - BIIIIIIIG EVEEEEEEENTS and their thousands of ancillary one-offs in established titles are the reason I stopped buying comics. It was like a part-time job trying to figure out what was missed. It was nothing more than a ham-fisted money-grab.
Absolutely, lock-step agree with you Nick. No pitchfork here. Well done!https://thecasualgeekery.com/2017/03/20/10-things-id-do-if-i-ran-dc-or-marvel-comics-part-12/
All right, comic book nerds. Ready your torches and pitchforks, because I'm about to destroy everything you hold near and dear.
I just published an article at The Casual Geekery called 10 THINGS I'D DO IF I RAN DC OR MARVEL COMICS.
And, how do I know which X-book or Spidey book to get since there are 4 or 5 variations.I, too, think these are great ideas. The industry is what has stopped me from buying comics, not the books. If I go in to a store and see a series at #300 I will not buy it! I figure that I've missed a lot of the interesting stuff and am now just into the spinning-wheels portion of the story.
On the other hand, a #1 also doesn't cause me ot buy, because they rarely mean actual new beginning., and some series "reset" so quickly - or are abandoned before ever coming into their own- thaat it isn't worth investing in.I, too, think these are great ideas. The industry is what has stopped me from buying comics, not the books. If I go in to a store and see a series at #300 I will not buy it! I figure that I've missed a lot of the interesting stuff and am now just into the spinning-wheels portion of the story.
Or worse, it's a #1 in name only because there's a lot of baggage behind it from either events, tie-ins, or the title's own previous series.On the other hand, a #1 also doesn't cause me ot buy, because they rarely mean actual new beginning., and some series "reset" so quickly - or are abandoned before ever coming into their own- thaat it isn't worth investing in.
That's pretty awesome. It's tempered a bit by the fact that we can't get the Big Blonde Baby to shut up on Twitter, but it's still awesome.how awesome is it he responded?
Here ya go:Which collection is this?
I have TPB, and a few of the original issues. I'd like to see some pics.
I too get pulled in by this story. I was reading the occasional Batman and Uncanny before this event, but just randomly chosen.
The only thing stopping me from doing them all is my Sin City books, where if placed left to right, the spines form a naked Nancy (the stripper).I'd just let the Supes books be the odd man out, rather than screw up the rest.
I still hate what the marketing around this did to comics, but the story is iconic and those are some nice-looking trades.
Someday I'll have to get the big collections of the Spider-man Clone Saga, so I can have the books that got me out of comics. Then review each issue one by one. And then burn them.
As if Marvel needed more bad press right now. At least they're taking immediate action, but what a fuck-up. And the more you read the article, the worse it gets. Like, this artist put layers of detail into losing his job. Unreal.How to lose a high profile comic book artist job in one easy step.
What a moron.
http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/04/08/marvel-releases-statement-on-controversial-x-men-gold-art/
I hear Nick Spencer is lobbying to get him on his books.Hopefully they fire the guy and issue an actual apology soon.
I know you're being facetious, but I could see him pitching that to the editors. "People will be angry, more sales. Come on, guys, do it for the lulz!"I hear Nick Spencer is lobbying to get him on his books.
Welcome to the internet!. . . I just pictured someone drawing that.
Welp, no C2E2 for me. Was refused entry at the border. They kept pressing about the comics I had and the sketches, and well, I had to be honest and said that I did get paid for commissions but before hand, but since they weren't complete, it was considered work in the us. Comics wise, I had maybe $700 in value if I had sold everything. Honestly, it's not a lot.
Was asked if I was the only one doing this as I looked surprised to be refused entry. I said no, many artists from around the world attend these to promote themselves. I don't think they cared.
My car was searched and is a mess. And to top it off, I was body searched and finger printed too (they do that when you get refused entry apparently.) It was an awful experience.
Things then went worse when they searched me throughout and found 2 white pills in my wallet. There was no identification on them and I wasn't sure what they were. Once I calmed down after being touched all over, I remembered they were generic acetaminophen from the dollar store that I carry around in case Marc gets a headache as it sometimes happen. I forgot they were even in there.
Anyway, I wasn't turned around for the 2 acetaminophen, as they found those after I was refused entry for the comics in my car and the unfinished sketches but they kept us longer there until they were convinced they weren't narcotics. I never took drugs in my life!
And to think we drove close to 2 days to get there. For nothing. (No, I didn't get anything from that body search. Maybe Zii would think it's a good deal.) Anyway... Driving back home.
Now that I've been refused entry in the US for this, it's on file. Don't expect to see me at a US con until I can figure out a way to get in and being absolutely certain this won't happen.
Well, I'll sleep better tonight, knowing that we're being protected from the Canadian Comic Creator menace!Wasn't honestly sure where to post this. Thought maybe the Politics forum, but I...don't really like going there. Anyway, some sad news from a fellow Maritimer (from New Brunswick in this case).
Gisele Lagace, writer/artist/creator of Pixie Trix Comics (like one of my personal favourite webcomics, Menage a 3) was denied entry into the U.S. So she can't go to C2E2.
That's infuriating, and I feel so bad for Gisele.Wasn't honestly sure where to post this. Thought maybe the Politics forum, but I...don't really like going there. Anyway, some sad news from a fellow Maritimer (from New Brunswick in this case).
Gisele Lagace, writer/artist/creator of Pixie Trix Comics (like one of my personal favourite webcomics, Menage a 3) was denied entry into the U.S. So she can't go to C2E2.
Yep. Technically working a table at a convention would also qualify.So unless I'm reading this wrong, she was refused entry because the act of finishing up those sketches while on US soil would have been considered "Working in the US without a valid work visa" or something?
--Patrick
I thought they were BOTH better writers in their earlier days. Loeb's best work is unquestionably anything he did with Tim Sale. When he was a writer on one of the Superman titles, it started out strong, but gradually became a mess. Especially when he started using famous president speeches as narration throughout each issue.Is Geof Johns the most hit or miss superhero writer, or Jeph Loeb? BOTH-have a track record for an equal ammount of great...and sucky stories.
ALSO-while down the wikipedia rabbit hole again, I learned Jeph Loeb wrote Teen Wolf...I am not sure if that's weird or not.
Its Bloodlines related Nick, don't expect logic to come from it.Picked up Waid's Flash Volume 2 today. Haven't had the chance to read it yet, but as I flipped through it, I saw something that to me me off:
The Return of Barry Allen story is split, with the Flash Annual (part of the Bloodlines event) in between. Why? Why would they do that? That annual isn't part of the story at all.
I'm guilty in saying I enjoyed Bloodlines. Even if it's horribly dated. But it still doesn't make sense to split up one of the best Flash stories.Its Bloodlines related Nick, don't expect logic to come from it.
Because rewriting reality is only one facet of the Gauntlet.If a Cosmic Cube can rewrite reality, why is the Infinity Gauntlet a big deal?
To expand on this, the wearer of the gauntlet also gains omniscience, complete dominance of time itself, the ability to communicate with or dominate the souls of all beings (alive or dead), and unlimited power. And more.Because rewriting reality is only one facet of the Gauntlet.
--Patrick
I'll say one thing that is good from Bloodlines. It at least gave us Tommy Monaghan.I'm guilty in saying I enjoyed Bloodlines. Even if it's horribly dated. But it still doesn't make sense to split up one of the best Flash stories.
And Loose Cannon! Don't forget Loose Cannon! The human mood ring!I'll say one thing that is good from Bloodlines. It at least gave us Tommy Monaghan.
There's always the other side of the coin.Who is no a crippled high school student, who can walk after transforming...and yet he still complains about looking like a monster-OH AREN'T COMICS FUN?!
I only found out last year that he'd written more than just the one book when I found a whole shelf devoted to him while picking out books with my son at the library.I was wondering why that hadn't been tapped for a movie yet. He's still putting out new books, too. My kids like My Teacher is an Alien.
The Fade Out omnibus, by Ed Brubaker & Sean Phillips.Went into the comic store and the girl behind the counter handed me a coupon I was supposed to get on FCBD, but they forgot: a 50% off coupon on any graphic novel or trade in store.
It becomes valid on Saturday. I wonder what I should get. If I hadn't just completed Hickman's Avengers saga, that'd be the obvious answer. Not sure.
...The Fade Out omnibus, by Ed Brubaker & Sean Phillips.
Wasn't aware they put out a single volume omnibus .Or you know, just get Sandman. Again.
--Patrick
Once is enough. Plus I don't like the re-colorings for the recent editions. I'll stick with my early '00s trades.^This
You can't own it too many times
Wife and I were looking at those last week and came to the same consensus as you. The deluxe hardcovers are great to show off, while you continue to read the same paperbacks until they're falling out of their bindings.I kinda wish they'd so some deluxe softcover editions of Sandman. Vertigo's been re-publishing their old series like that and they've all been top notch. Preacher, Y: The Last Man, Ex Machina, Northlanders, DMZ, Ex Machina (technically, that was originally Wildstorm, but now it's under the Vertigo banner), Sandman Mystery Theatre. All quality re-collections.
I have the four-volume Absolute editions. They look gorgeous on the shelf, but cripes, they're unwieldy to re-read or flip through. I thought about going back to the 10 trades, but volume 3 pisses me off (it only collects 3 or 4 issues).
Why did you never say that before ever? Now I've wasted all this time!This is a really great video. Though I'd add in "Don't bother with DC or Marvel. Read Image comics."
Heh, I made a much longer comment in the video's comment section, but it's all the same stuff I've said on here multiple times: inaccessible, so-called #1 issues aren't good jumping on points anymore, company-wide crossovers ruining creative team runs, etc.Why did you never say that before ever? Now I've wasted all this time!
I am firmly in the camp of shouldn't kill when it comes to the main DC characters, because of the kinds of characters they are. I'm alright with marvel characters killing, but Batman, Wonder Woman, and especially Superman are supposed to be modern day gods in fiction. Superman exemplifies this best, it's right there in the name. He is the super man, the best of us that we all aspire to. He can make mistakes, he can doubt himself, but in the end he always does what is right, no matter what. That's what makes him who he is.So, I have a question. I tried googling the subject, but came up with nothing. I'm also copy/pasting this from Reddit's /comics. Even if no one here knows the answer, this could be an interesting discussion topic.
Even before the Man of Steel film released and there were long discussions over Superman killing Zod, people have discussed whether classic superheroes like Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman should kill criminals.
I should make this clear: I'm not saying they HAVEN'T. Superman killed in John Byrne's final issue of his respectively long run in Superman #22. Wonder Woman killed Maxwell Lord just before Infinite Crisis. Batman shot Darkseid in Final Crisis.
I've always wondered whether they SHOULD. From my point of view, I don't think they should. Especially Superman. I feel that Superman should always find a better solution. That's what makes him Superman: he always does the right thing. Oddly enough, I'm okay with some Marvel characters taking a life. Captain America fought in WW2, so I don't see why he shouldn't. It would pain him to do it at any time and he'd avoid it as much as humanly possible, though.
Anyway, what I'm most curious about is people's reactions to John Byrne's issue back in the day. I wasn't reading comics at the time (I started with The Death of Superman). Does anyone know how fans reacted at the time? I'm especially curious if anyone knows how other comic book creators - writers and artists - reacted to the story. In retrospect, it feels like Byrne did that as his final issue so he wouldn't have to deal with the ramifications. Like he was saying, "Welp, here you go, future writers. Superman canonically killed. Not my problem!" Given Byrne's ego, it wouldn't surprise me.
I know I've mentioned this in a previous post, but I'm of the mind that it largely depends on the hero. I'm less upset about Wonder Woman killing on the rare occasion because it fits more with her character. Amazon wisdom tends to lean practical more than emotional, so I could see her finding reason in it once in a while.So, I have a question. I tried googling the subject, but came up with nothing. I'm also copy/pasting this from Reddit's /comics. Even if no one here knows the answer, this could be an interesting discussion topic.
Even before the Man of Steel film released and there were long discussions over Superman killing Zod, people have discussed whether classic superheroes like Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman should kill criminals.
I should make this clear: I'm not saying they HAVEN'T. Superman killed in John Byrne's final issue of his respectively long run in Superman #22. Wonder Woman killed Maxwell Lord just before Infinite Crisis. Batman shot Darkseid in Final Crisis.
I've always wondered whether they SHOULD. From my point of view, I don't think they should. Especially Superman. I feel that Superman should always find a better solution. That's what makes him Superman: he always does the right thing. Oddly enough, I'm okay with some Marvel characters taking a life. Captain America fought in WW2, so I don't see why he shouldn't. It would pain him to do it at any time and he'd avoid it as much as humanly possible, though.
Anyway, what I'm most curious about is people's reactions to John Byrne's issue back in the day. I wasn't reading comics at the time (I started with The Death of Superman). Does anyone know how fans reacted at the time? I'm especially curious if anyone knows how other comic book creators - writers and artists - reacted to the story. In retrospect, it feels like Byrne did that as his final issue so he wouldn't have to deal with the ramifications. Like he was saying, "Welp, here you go, future writers. Superman canonically killed. Not my problem!" Given Byrne's ego, it wouldn't surprise me.
I do think it is possible to tell a compelling story where these characters break those rules. It's just that DC movies haven't managed to do that, but they've come close.It's hard to believe he would, even for a second, break his own rules.
I'm also fine with Wonder Woman killing on occasion. Her whole tiers of conflict thing from Gail Simone's run made a lot of sense for her character and showed how much thought she's put into this. I didn't think her killing Maxwell Lord was out of character.I know I've mentioned this in a previous post, but I'm of the mind that it largely depends on the hero. I'm less upset about Wonder Woman killing on the rare occasion because it fits more with her character. Amazon wisdom tends to lean practical more than emotional, so I could see her finding reason in it once in a while.
But certain characters have the "no kill" built into their mythos, like Superman, Batman, and I think Spider-Man, so when they break that code, it feels less like a moral complication and more like lazy writing. You take away that part, and suddenly there's nothing that really makes them stand out from characters with similar powers/abilities that aren't opposed to killing.
Actually, the bending of Batman's "no gun/no kill" rule is particularly tone-deaf because Batman is usually characterized as one of the most self-confident, bull-headed and unyielding characters in comics. He almost never thinks his way is wrong. It's hard to believe he would, even for a second, break his own rules.
This is how I am with Grant Morrison's Action Comics. I like it as a comic, but it doesn't feel like Superman for me.I actually liked man of steel as a film, just not as a superman movie.
To all that, I say...wow. He gave me a much more comprehensive answer than I ever expected. And I...think I might agree with it. It'll take me some time to really think about it, though."My personal response to the issue is more than 144 characters, but I think John was establishing a more contemporary Superman. In the Silver Age, Superman had a "code against killing." John didn't obliterate that, but he did nuance it in a way that I understand and endorse.
In fact, I think all of us who worked on those books under Mike Carlin shared a similar view. Superman's Code comes from Superman's essentially paternal nature. When you are the strongest guy on the planet, it's like being the only grown-up in a room full of children. So, even with really evil humans, Superman feels a responsibility to restrain his powers and control his anger. He can NEVER indulge in Batman's sort of fury for vengeance-- because he's so much stronger than everyone.
But with Kryptonians like Zod or Doomsday, the rules are different. Those bad guys are Superman's equal or superior in strength. If it comes down to a choice between his reluctance to kill, and his responsibility to protect people-- which would YOU sacrifice?
Being a grown up, Superman weighs every consideration on a case basis and makes a judgement call, just as you or I would rather than adhering to an arbitrary "code". So even if a human foe is about to blow up the Earth, Superman will use his wits and speed, and best possible judgement to try to save the day without killing. But lethal force is a last resort for him, just as it would be for you.
But where ever there is no better alternative, Superman will always accept the adult responsibility of choosing the lesser evil. Which, in some cases--like saving the world from Zod or Doomsday-- means killing. No one with a heart wants to kill, if they can help it, but when the moral imperative is clear, and all other options are exhausted, Superman does what you would do if you had to protect your kids. Killing is on the menu."
The part I always remember of the doomsday arc is how much time and effort superman put into trying to keep Doomsday away from populated areas. Even with a creature strong enough to seriously hurt him, he put his all into being the thing doomsday attacks rather than the innocents around him.That's the thing about the Superman comics that I grew up on: even though I hadn't read the infamous Byrne issue, they referenced it constantly. It tore at him. He had a complete mental breakdown because of it, unknowingly creating a different persona that was more Batman-like (Gangbuster). When he realized his mental health could affect everyone on Earth, he left the planet. Killing those criminals haunted him.
I think I've said this before, but if it had been written and handled with more care, I would've been okay with him killing Zod. But it comes out of nowhere with no build up, so it just rang hollow.
Even killing Doomsday, he did it because he HAD to. There was literally no other way to stop that monster. He scarified his own life in order to put Doomsday down.
Actually, I tweeted former Superman artist/writer Jon Bogdanove (who was part of the creative team I grew up on). He responded with a long series of tweets on the matter. I'll write it out rather than posting all the tweets:
To all that, I say...wow. He gave me a much more comprehensive answer than I ever expected. And I...think I might agree with it. It'll take me some time to really think about it, though.
So many things about that movie bothered me that shouldn't have been Superman OR Clark. The defense people kept using against my argument was "This is his first time being Superman! He's going to make mistakes."The part I always remember of the doomsday arc is how much time and effort superman put into trying to keep Doomsday away from populated areas. Even with a creature strong enough to seriously hurt him, he put his all into being the thing doomsday attacks rather than the innocents around him.
So, you know, not fighting Zod in the middle of the city as a first resort
I love that so much. I've quoted it before, but my favourite quote is from the Justice League episode "Comfort and Joy."I don't read many comics anymore, but some things stick with me. And on today of all days, this is one of them...
Headcanon. Always.
And inspires those around him to be better, as we see Cap do in The Winter Solider. That's such a good fucking movie. I need to watch it again soon.I've also said this a million times before: Chris Evans' Captain America? THAT'S how Superman should be written. He's such a genuinely good guy that it's almost inconceivable someone like him exists.
Nah, it's fine. I'd rather hear your positivity, critique, and analysis of something you love than more "thou shalt not DC, thou shalt not Marvel" .(Also, I'm sorry. I realize I repeat a lot of the same things about Superman. You guys are probably getting sick of it by now.)
"Nah, it's fine. I'd rather hear your positivity, critique, and analysis of something you love than more "thou shalt not DC, thou shalt not Marvel" .
I've said it here before. Superman done right would have him show up at a cookout of someone he'd helped with burgers and hotdogs, and flowers for the lady of the house.I've also said this a million times before: Chris Evans' Captain America? THAT'S how Superman should be written. He's such a genuinely good guy that it's almost inconceivable someone like him exists.
(Also, I'm sorry. I realize I repeat a lot of the same things about Superman. You guys are probably getting sick of it by now.)
Pretty sure this was canon for way longer then any other explanation.I don't read many comics anymore, but some things stick with me. And on today of all days, this is one of them...
Headcanon. Always.
I think this is less than a case of "should the character ever kill" and more of a "should the writers be telling a story where the character kills". It's established, and agreed on by most fans, that there are circumstances that would cause Superman to kill, and sometimes those stories work, but for the most part it's much better to tell the story where Superman finds a way to not kill. It's better to tell a story where Batman doesn't have to resort to a gun.I've always wondered whether they SHOULD. From my point of view, I don't think they should. Especially Superman. I feel that Superman should always find a better solution. That's what makes him Superman: he always does the right thing. Oddly enough, I'm okay with some Marvel characters taking a life. Captain America fought in WW2, so I don't see why he shouldn't. It would pain him to do it at any time and he'd avoid it as much as humanly possible, though.
Yeah, my main beef with those big ass hardcovers. There often isn't enough of a margin on the inside of the page and you end up not being able to even read like 1/4 of it.I kinda wish they'd so some deluxe softcover editions of Sandman. Vertigo's been re-publishing their old series like that and they've all been top notch. Preacher, Y: The Last Man, Ex Machina, Northlanders, DMZ, Ex Machina (technically, that was originally Wildstorm, but now it's under the Vertigo banner), Sandman Mystery Theatre. All quality re-collections.
I have the four-volume Absolute editions. They look gorgeous on the shelf, but cripes, they're unwieldy to re-read or flip through. I thought about going back to the 10 trades, but volume 3 pisses me off (it only collects 3 or 4 issues).
I remember that episode. I felt sorry for that robot in all of its mecha-angst.There's an episode of the animated series where a robotic replica is made of Bruce Wayne/Batman, so perfect that at first it believes itself to be Bruce and thinks someone has put him in a robot body. At the end of the episode, the real Batman tricks Robo-Batman into thinking it's killed him. This robot is mentally a perfect copy of Bruce, right? Well, it has a fucking emotional breakdown upon thinking it's taken a life and ends up accidentally destroying itself in its anguish.
Well, not to his enemies, at least!But Superman wouldn't do that because he's not a cruel person,
--Patrick
They're the ones that stand head and shoulders above the rest. They're also easier to recommend since they're standalone. But there's some in-continuity ones I like a lot. So, hmm, some off the top of my head:Shower thought: Any time I see @ThatNickGuy or anyone else recommend Superman comics, it's always something standalone or out of continuity. I never see someone recommend a particular run or set of issues, unless the recommendations are pertaining to the New 52 exclusively.
At the risk of bouncing this into the politics forum, the right is in a total lather over the Kathy Griffin pic. Some are trying to flat out deny they didn't burn Obama in effigy on a daily basis for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS.Had a random thought this morning. Not really sure what the point is of showing the parallel, but I thought it was interesting that a recent controversy somewhat parallels another:
Kathy Griffin posted a picture of a beheaded Donald Trump. It's been rightfully criticized and I'll admit that's taking things too far.
Similarly, though, was the infamous cover for Crime Suspense Stories by EC Comics. It's the cover that created the strongest argument against comics. Its legacy was being one of the prime reasons for the creation of the Comics Code.
I just thought the parallels between the two controversies was interesting.
I was just reading an article about that issue:
I'm so glad Rebirth is rewriting the continuity.I was just reading an article about that issue:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-time-batman-and-superman-met-wonder-woman-was-1795691414
And now I have to pick it up.
I did notice that!Yeah, Batman's wearing gloves.
Also, word around is that scene happens same time Wonder Woman was in Nevada in Year One:I was just reading an article about that issue:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-time-batman-and-superman-met-wonder-woman-was-1795691414
And now I have to pick it up.
They also have a Comixology version, which is multi-platform.So no one misunderstands, Kindle editions.
If you already know they're going to be crap, why torture yourself? Spend the money instead on a few nice cups of tea over the week until the DC goodness arrives again.I'm dreading June 14. My DC comics are spread nicely across the month like the perfect layer of jam on toast. Then there's June 14, a big hunk of congealed former fruit when every Marvel comic I read happens to come out on the same day.
It's the money, not the quality.If you already know they're going to be crap, why torture yourself? Spend the money instead on a few nice cups of tea over the week until the DC goodness arrives again.
Not just you. It's a lot easier to spend a big chunk of cash on something on payday than it is when it's early in the week before payday and that same chunk will leave you with nothin'.It's the money, not the quality.
And I know it'd be the same cost if they were spread across the month, but it feels like more when spending it all at once . Maybe that's just me.
That's true; I didn't consider the payday element, but yeah, when cost is spread out it tends to hug different paydays. Fortunately I'll get paid two days later.Not just you. It's a lot easier to spend a big chunk of cash on something on payday than it is when it's early in the week before payday and that same chunk will leave you with nothin'.
Yoshi, hun, they're ducks that talk and wear clothing. Logic went out the window from Day 1.How long can ducks LIVE in the Disneyverse? Scrooge is Eighty in 1947, and has enough vitality to kick the asses of EIGHT Beagle boys! And holy shit, Donald's GRANDMA is still alive too, and despite being logically over a hundred she doesn't look that physically dissimilar to any of the younger ducks.
And THEN-there's the Triplet's birth, Donald had to be 3-10 in 1930, making him 27 at the oldest in 1947. This means Della had to have had the boys at 17 at the youngest, and IN BETWEEN that time she basically shirked them off on her Navyman brother while their boy's father is never seen nor even NAMED because of a firecracker accident...the house of Mc/Duck is a dark one.
Yeah she does NOT appear much, even in the first triplet's cartoon she's only referred to by name, which was originally Dumbella but I headcanon that the stress of being a young mother made her forget her own name....really they probably just thought Della was snappier, but what do I know?Wow, I didn't even know they touched on why the nephews were always with Donald, nor did I know they had a named mother.
I guess you are reading the Don Rosa comics? I also start reading Disney comics again, but our European ones, mostly from Italy. So much stuff I missed.How long can ducks LIVE in the Disneyverse? Scrooge is Eighty in 1947, and has enough vitality to kick the asses of EIGHT Beagle boys! And holy shit, Donald's GRANDMA is still alive too, and despite being logically over a hundred she doesn't look that physically dissimilar to any of the younger ducks.
And THEN-there's the Triplet's birth, Donald had to be 3-10 in 1930, making him 27 at the oldest in 1947. This means Della had to have had the boys at 17 at the youngest, and IN BETWEEN that time she basically shirked them off on her Navyman brother while their boy's father is never seen nor even NAMED because of a firecracker accident...the house of Mc/Duck is a dark one.
I'm not surprised. There are many official Disney characters in the comics Americans don't know.Wow, I didn't even know they touched on why the nephews were always with Donald, nor did I know they had a named mother.
THERE-it is, knew they wouldn't just have her appear like that!If you like it a bit more tragic, in the comic I mentioned Donald's sister talks with her sons with the help of a invention by Gyro Gearloose but she didn't recognize them. She travels so fast, only a short time passed for her while for everybody on earth it's 10 years later. The boys didn't had the heart to tell her and lied about their identities.
You know, I kind of hope John D. Rockerduck turns up in the new DuckTales cartoons. I confess I haven't read any of the comics with him, but I like the idea of an opponent to Scrooge that's this young duck born into wealth and with a "spend money to make money" attitude.I'm sure you can find trades in Italy (and anywhere else in Europe) but in the States? I personally buy the "Lustiges Taschenbuch" a trade paperback that's published here in Germany since 1967. I recommand the stuff made by Giorgio Cavazzano.
If you like it a bit more tragic, in the comic I mentioned Donald's sister talks with her sons with the help of a invention by Gyro Gearloose but she didn't recognize them. She travels so fast, only a short time passed for her while for everybody on earth it's 10 years later. The boys didn't had the heart to tell her and lied about their identities.
Fethry Duck is only the beginning there are many more. Brigitta McBridge and John D. Rockerduck are also two regulars.
Angones might adapt him into the new series, although he MIGHT change his name to John D.Rockerfeather...which...is admittedly a MUCH better name.You know, I kind of hope John D. Rockerduck turns up in the new DuckTales cartoons. I confess I haven't read any of the comics with him, but I like the idea of an opponent to Scrooge that's this young duck born into wealth and with a "spend money to make money" attitude.
The side facing the Sun, at least.It was supposed to rain today and instead, the surface of Mercury! Truly this is Trump's America.
That was our rain! It was predicted for days and still promised thunderstorms this morning, and then nothing, not even a friggin cloud. You stole our water.Well, it just rained.
And I had to run to the drugstore before they closed in 15min.
I got soaked and could barely see the entire time, even though I was in my car for the majority of the trip.
--Patrick
Well, if the pamphlet Clark is holding in his right hand in the second picture is any indication, I'd have to say 'Yes.'"Where is Superman taking their road trip, Arlington Cemetery?
I'm an idiot.Well, if the pamphlet Clark is holding in his right hand in the second picture is any indication, I'd have to say 'Yes.'"
--Patrick
What's the rarity?[DOUBLEPOST=1499132326,1499132046][/DOUBLEPOST]To expand. My store's general policy is first come first serve if it's not 50/50.My LCBS won't let me order a variant cover; their policy is "call that morning and ask if we have one." No idea if that's normal, but it's all I got.
The Superman #27 I posted above, so not much rarity, but I think they usually get 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 variant. Which is weird because I've picked up a variant off the rack because a regular cover has sold out before. I think the idea is first come, first serve, but they open at 11AM on Wednesday while I'm at work, so there's no way I'm getting over there when we have deadlines to meet. I'll just have to call at 11:10 or something and hope.What's the rarity?[DOUBLEPOST=1499132326,1499132046][/DOUBLEPOST]To expand. My store's general policy is first come first serve if it's not 50/50.
Thanks; still hoping it'll go smooth on the 19th, but I feel better having a backup plan.Just checked, it's 50/50 cover. If there's not one available for you when it comes out ask them to reorder it for you. There should be some overprint still available at Diamond Wednesday afternoon.
You're supposed to put the roof up when it rains...Well, it just rained.
And I had to run to the drugstore before they closed in 15min.
I got soaked and could barely see the entire time, even though I was in my car for the majority of the trip.
--Patrick
Jurgens lost a rock-paper-scissors with Tomasi over who got to use him for their second quarter story arc?How did I not notice until like JUST now that Blanque is a Manchester Black replacement?
It's faster to call them both if you only have to call one name. Sounds like Fastest Man Alive shenanigans to me.Who put Iris and Barry in charge of naming their kids? Their names are freaking Don and DAWN Allen! Were they just TRYING to get them to be bullied? "Hey Do/awn!" Both of them:Yes?
Yeah, but Eobard Thawne didn't name them.It's faster to call them both if you only have to call one name. Sounds like Fastest Man Alive shenanigans to me.
I deleted mine too.Crap, I JUST deleted the comment to put it in the proper thread.
These aren't the posts we were looking for?I deleted mine too.
MOVE ALONG, FOLKS, NOTHING TO SEE HERE
What about true stories?Anyone else glad elseworld stories don't begin with "This is an imaginary story" any more? ALL STORIES ARE FUCKING IMAGINARY!
Do you picture what's happening in your head when you read true stories? That's using your imagination. IMAGINARY STORY!What about true stories?
Maybe you do... weirdo.Do you picture what's happening in your head when you read true stories? That's using your imagination. IMAGINARY STORY!
Wait *that's* the reason I'm a weirdo. Huh. I'll be honest I always knew I was a weirdo but wasn't sure why & on my list of possible reasons that was...well, let's just say it wasn't in the top 10.Maybe you do... weirdo.
DC calling their stories imaginary has historical significance. They used it on copy throughout the silver age to denote non-canon stories, that wouldn't be bound by the need to return the status quo by the end, such as original Superman Red & Superman Blue, or the original Death of Superman. Alan Moore has the best use of line in his send off to the silver age.Anyone else glad elseworld stories don't begin with "This is an imaginary story" any more? ALL STORIES ARE FUCKING IMAGINARY!
Just the phrase "Secret Wars" will turn me away. I'm still angry from when The Beyonder simply deleted the New Mutants in Secret Wars II. A pointless chapter in a pointless series.Ugh. Really getting sick of the "SJW is killing comics" movement latching onto YouTuber Diversity & Comics. They're treating his work like gospel. And of course, whenever I try arguing the fact that Marvel's events and reboots are what's driving away customers, they're all like, "NUH UH! It's 'cause of SJWs!"
I want to be like "that was 30+ years ago!" but it's not like I've let go of the Spider-man Clone Saga.Just the phrase "Secret Wars" will turn me away. I'm still angry from when The Beyonder simply deleted the New Mutants in Secret Wars II. A pointless chapter in a pointless series.
I made the mistake of clicking on a video from that fucking channel because I misunderstood what it was going to be about, and then Youtube wouldn't stop recommending that twit's videos until I purged my Youtube history. I don't remember how the video title fooled me, but I remember the next video up was about Squirrel Girl, the title being something like "How is this a comic?" Well, doucheshmuck, it's a story told sequentially through images and words.Ugh. Really getting sick of the "SJW is killing comics" movement latching onto YouTuber Diversity & Comics. They're treating his work like gospel. And of course, whenever I try arguing the fact that Marvel's events and reboots are what's driving away customers, they're all like, "NUH UH! It's 'cause of SJWs!"
This.I want to be like "that was 30+ years ago!" but it's not like I've let go of the Spider-man Clone Saga.
Balderdash! Look at all that empty space!In other news, I picked up a new bookcase at Value Village. I'm starting to think I have too many comics.
I have two long boxes with my other books to fill those spaces. Plus: new bookcase means new space, for better or worse.This.
Balderdash! Look at all that empty space!
--Patrick
Don't make me repost that cookies/milk pic againnew bookcase means new space, for better or worse.
I hear ya. After backing everything up and reinstalling Win10, I have all that nice drive space waiting to be filled.Plus: new bookcase means new space, for better or worse.
It's adorable you think it'll take that long.I hear ya. After backing everything up and reinstalling Win10, I have all that nice drive space waiting to be filled.
Who am I kidding? It'll be full of JAVs by fall.
Certainly makes me feel less bad for my amount of books.In other news, I picked up a new bookcase at Value Village. I'm starting to think I have too many comics.
To be fair, I believe I've been collecting much longer than yourself.Certainly makes me feel less bad for my amount of books.
Yes . I've had The Sandman and a couple others for over 10 years, but aside from that, I'd say most of my collection is from the past 16 months.To be fair, I believe I've been collecting much longer than yourself.
This is why I'm looking forward to the Wonder Woman/Conan the Barbarian crossover by Gail Simone they're starting later this month. People are being like "Why is this happening? It's so stupid." Yeah? That's kinda the point. It's gonna be stupid fun.DC & Dark Horse have been re-collecting many of their old crossovers. Is it wrong that I want to buy all of them? I greatly enjoyed them growing up. I think Batman/Predator and Superman/Aliens are particularly good. The sequels to them aren't quite as good, but they're fun. Then you get some really oddball ones like Lobo/The Mask, Superman/Madman, and Joker/The Mask.
I already own the Dark Horse/Superman collection. And recently bought Batman/Predator (collecting all three crossovers). I kinda want to own them all.
That surprises me a little. Batman/Predator is probably the best known and most well-regarded of all the crossovers. There was a Batman/Predator 2 & 3, but as I said, they're not quite as good. The recent collections they're doing has a book collecting all three of them in one.I had no idea there was a Batman/Predator crossover. I'd only heard of the Batman/Alien one. I'll have to check that out.
Some of those probably warrant a look on WTF value alone.That surprises me a little. Batman/Predator is probably the best known and most well-regarded of all the crossovers. There was a Batman/Predator 2 & 3, but as I said, they're not quite as good. The recent collections they're doing has a book collecting all three of them in one.
When I think about it, it's kind of crazy how many crossovers DC & Dark Horse have had. These new collections include ones I've never even heard of. But here's a list of most of them, as far as I know:
-Batman/Tarzan
-Batman vs Predator 1, 2, & 3
-Batman vs Aliens 1 & 2
-Superman vs Aliens 1 & 2
-Superman vs Predator
-Superman vs. Terminator
-Superman/Tarzan
-Superman/Madman
-Superman & Batman vs Aliens & Predator
-JLA/Predator
-Batman/Starman/Hellboy
-Green Lantern/Aliens
-Lobo/The Mask
-Grifter/The Mask
-Joker/The Mask
-Ghost/Batgirl
-Young Justice/Spyboy
-WildC.A.T.S./Aliens
The last one impacted the industry more than I thought when I read this article on it. Spoilers, as it pertains to Warren Ellis' run on Stormwatch.
The Lobo/The Mask one really stands out for me.Some of those probably warrant a look on WTF value alone.
That one was great! Two cartoonishly violent characters trying to kill each other in an R-rated Looney Toons fight? It's hilarious.The Lobo/The Mask one really stands out for me.
--Patrick
It's surprising how well Batman vs Predator works, it's a damn good story. Especially given how terrible Superman vs Aliens is; absolutely horrible. It's a bad story, with a brick-stupid Superman, and it makes me angry just thinking about it.[DOUBLEPOST=1505107921,1505107498][/DOUBLEPOST]That surprises me a little. Batman/Predator is probably the best known and most well-regarded of all the crossovers. There was a Batman/Predator 2 & 3, but as I said, they're not quite as good. The recent collections they're doing has a book collecting all three of them in one.
I've been waiting for a full color eInk screen since I first heard of the technology. Current news stories say it might happen in 2018 but I've heard the technology is 2 years away before. At this point I'm wondering if it's going to have to be another technology that finally brings color to true eReaders.I wish there was a Kindle paper equivalent for LCD screens. I'd avoid so much trouble just reading stuff on Marvel Unlimited, but trying to read at length on a real screen hurts my eyes. Kindle only works because of whatever witchcraft Amazon did to create the paper-like screen, so it's no different on my eyes from reading a book made of dead tree.
I respectfully disagree on Superman/Aliens. I like it a lot. It's my personal favourite of the bunch. But of course, there's a major Superman bias going on with me. Plus, I read it at the time it was published when I was a teenager, so I guess bias and nostalgia masks issues like that. I re-read it recently and still don't see the issue. Unless you mean him not killing bugs. It's a bit extreme, even for Superman, I guess. I'm like, "They're bugs! It's like swatting flies on the farm!"It's surprising how well Batman vs Predator works, it's a damn good story. Especially given how terrible Superman vs Aliens is; absolutely horrible. It's a bad story, with a brick-stupid Superman, and it makes me angry just thinking about it.[DOUBLEPOST=1505107921,1505107498][/DOUBLEPOST]
To be fair, it looked like they were setting Weasel up to be a breakout as far back as the 90s. He is superhuman, even if he is a weenie. He's producing Reed Richards level tech in a basement.
JESUS CHRIST-look at what they did to Weasel! Bad enough Blind Al was basically barred from continuity.
It's not just that he was refusing to kill, it's how much he held back in a situation where there were obvious violent aggressors slaughtering people who couldn't defend themselves. He went, alone, into a situation where he knew his powers would be limited, and he just kept acting like he was nigh-invulnerable. I know he usually is, but he's supposed to be smart character, and he has lost his powers before. He was just straight up stupid in how he handled things.I respectfully disagree on Superman/Aliens. I like it a lot. It's my personal favourite of the bunch. But of course, there's a major Superman bias going on with me. Plus, I read it at the time it was published when I was a teenager, so I guess bias and nostalgia masks issues like that. I re-read it recently and still don't see the issue. Unless you mean him not killing bugs. It's a bit extreme, even for Superman, I guess. I'm like, "They're bugs! It's like swatting flies on the farm!"
I don't even understand why these people would even want to be the target audience of every book. I know I certainly don't have the time, disposable income or space to buy every issue of every series being published.You're not the target audience for every book. and it's ridiculous to think you would or that you're entitled to it.
It's funny, because you don't have that problem in other forms of media. No one complains that there are TV shows aimed at certain audiences, or that not all movies are made for every audience.I don't even understand why these people would even want to be the target audience of every book. I know I certainly don't have the time, disposable income or space to buy every issue of every series being published.
.../s?It's funny, because you don't have that problem in other forms of media. No one complains that there are TV shows aimed at certain audiences, or that not all movies are made for every audience.
Eh. If you're listening to other people's problems all day, you need to have a stress outlet for yourself.When Hugo Strange was legit, did no one think it was rather odd for their therapist be, like, really jacked?
Either of the big two going under, with Image, IDW, Dark Horse, etc vying to fill the void. I honestly don't see what could really shake things in comics right now as the industry goes.So I was thinking tonight (which explains the smoke coming out my ears ). With all the controversies going on in the comics industry these days, like Eddie Berganza finally getting fired and the recent controversy with CB Cebulski, to say nothing of the industry as a whole not as strong as it used to be, I wonder...
Would a major, rebellious shake-up be possible today? I mean on the scale of Image Comics founding in the 90s, where you had six of the industry's top artists all jump ship and form their own company.
I'm not what exactly a shake-up on that scale would mean today. And I'm not sure I necessarily mean a bunch of top talent forming their own company. Today's market probably couldn't sustain a new company, no matter the talent. But something big that turns the whole industry on its ears, makes everyone stand up and go, "Holy shit," and reinventing how we look at the industry.
I love that, as Linkara points out either in that video or another, that there's a hidden message in Final Crisis that says "don't worry about Countdown" or something like that.And Dan Didio thought this was "52 done right"!?
I think DC is letting Marvel carry that torch for a while. Marvel is starting their own Countdown in February, after all .Its sad to know there is a REASON the New 52 existed, which was also ironically the reason Rebirth exists and now I'm waiting for DC to fuck up again and give us DC:We promise this is the last time we do this, WE SWEAR!
Now that I'm on the retail side of things I love what DC is doing. The biggest advantage with what DC is doing is that they're thinking long term for their health and survival.DC thinks it has the next steps, i.e. sharing profits with creative teams and having a few titles where the artist guides the story while the writer just makes dialogue to work with it a la a TV show, but I don't think those are going to affect things as much as DC believes.
Ninja Turtles? Dude, that's a troll. Seriously, that dude's just trolling you.Got into an argument with someone online who claims WATCHMEN (the graphic novel, not the movie) is niche, has never been relevant, and isn't studied in universities or been written about in academia.
I threw huge truth bombs at him and yet he's just kept saying "Nope! you're wrong!" Of course, all he's spouting is opinion without backing it up with anything.
I provided multiple links, including academic journals from major universities, and a course provided by Cambridge frigging University. And mentioned that it's not on Time's 100 Greatest Novels, it's the ONLY graphic novel listed.
Can't wait to see what bullshit he responds with.
The whole thing started, by the way, in an article about a possible new Spawn movie. I half-joked that Spawn hasn't been relevant since the 90s (he really hasn't). This guy is trying to tell me that Spawn is just as popular and relevant today, moreso than Watchmen or Ninja Turtles.
Yeah, that's pretty obvious. I'm honestly curious to see what he'll say to the facts I actually provided. Because of COURSE he'll have a smarmy response.Ninja Turtles? Dude, that's a troll. Seriously, that dude's just trolling you.
Make a video about it!Yeah, that's pretty obvious. I'm honestly curious to see what he'll say to the facts I actually provided. Because of COURSE he'll have a smarmy response.
I envision you becoming a spearhead voice of reason against Comicsgate. This is really cool!Welp, not only has that thread exploded (my notifications haven't stopped all day), but someone from a comics website contacted me about joining. It's non-paid, but they do get free digital comics for review purposes. And we're discussing the idea of hosting my videos on their site.
http://capelesscrusader.org/
It is obviously THE most important thing these days.What? People are rioting over comics now?
—Patrick
And here I thought that was your change of avatar.It is obviously THE most important thing these days.
I have no idea who D&C is beyond your description, and frankly that paints a pretty clear picture, but if it's an independently printed comic, can't they just order it direct?In other random comic crap, several comic shops have refused to order alt right asshole D&C's comic. One of their supporter's broke one store's window. Now they're ordering the comic, while D&C's supporters threaten other stores that there will be consequences for refusal.
This is what happens when you cave to these trogs. They get emboldened.
But if they order it direct, it won't show up in the store.I have no idea who D&C is beyond your description, and frankly that paints a pretty clear picture, but if it's an independently printed comic, can't they just order it direct?
And yes, I know I'm looking for logic in a group that has none.
I'm really tempted to buy the shirt.And here I thought that was your change of avatar.
—Patrick
We know. You keep saying so. It’s a cute shirt. Kawaii, even.I'm really tempted to buy the shirt.
To sum up, they're GamerGate but for comics.I have no idea who D&C is beyond your description, and frankly that paints a pretty clear picture, but if it's an independently printed comic, can't they just order it direct?
And yes, I know I'm looking for logic in a group that has none.
I assumed as much. I see that these guys care less about find support in each other and more about using their platform to hurt as many other people as possible. I would not be upset if the warehouse printing the comic mysteriously caught fire...But if they order it direct, it won't show up in the store.
This isn't about comics; it's about media influence and indoctrination.
Jawbreakers: Lost Souls, the crowdfunded book by that D&C alt-right asshole. Stores didn't want to carry it, so they were threatened. The publisher was made aware of that, so they dropped the book.What stupid ass book are these man children bitching about stores not carrying?
That's about it! And thing is, they've gained ground, at least on Marvel. They've tucked aside some of the legacy characters, returned the founding Avengers to the forefront instead of their successors, and women employees such as editor Heather Antos have left the company. Yet they still bitch at Marvel for conspiring against them (while simultaneously starting a rumor that Marvel's editor in chief reprimanded Mark Waid for speaking with the Jawbreakers publisher--never happened), and even though Antos has left, they're still calling her new job to harass her.So, the guy's an asshole. He directs harassment campaigns towards people for...not being white males, or not writing about white males? Then he decides to make his own comic, and gets a publisher. He then harasses stores that won't carry his straight-outta-90's-Image-storytelling book. And now the publishers no longer want to work with him. What a fucking surprise.
Christ, what is it with the alt-right? Do they understand that actions have consequences? I mean, people bitch about millennial entitlement, but God damn, these guys epitomize entitlement. Their entire "movement" is a fucking temper tantrum.
Yes, they just think that's unfair when it happens to them... consequences should be for women and minorities, duh.Christ, what is it with the alt-right? Do they understand that actions have consequences?
“Leopards-eating-faces party,” and all that.Yes, they just think that's unfair when it happens to them... consequences should be for women and minorities, duh.
He probably does see videogames as an art form, but not if they were made by women.I’ll bet this guy thinks that video games can’t be art, too.
—Patrick
And he hates Wolfenstein for allowing the player to participate in the persecution of a minor political party.He probably does see videogames as an art form, but not if they were made by women.
If he was going to do that with DC characters, you know it'd be Harley and Ivy.Well just dash my dreams.
That's my other dreamIf he was going to do that with DC characters, you know it'd be Harley and Ivy.
I won't lend him one, but I'll bill him for the replacement after I break this one on his face.Anyone wanna lend the Diversity & Comics asshole a shovel? Wait, never mind. He's digging his own grave just fine on his own.
Catwoman or Harley Quinn are proper female characters (and re-inventing their looks to be less D-cup-in-spandex is a good thing except for my inner bhamv).
(If Superman was invented today he might be black, but Kal-El isn't passing down his cape to a new guy to come along, so a black version would have to be another Kryptonian, I guess?).
...except when it is.Complaining that it's a new thing being done for the sake of diversity is just flat out wrong.
Just because it can be something done for diversity doesn't mean it's a new thing. Editorial mandates are not a new thing either. Nor is changing a comic to appeal to a new demographic. Robin was, arguably, added to Batman comics in order to appeal to a younger demographic; a lot of sidekick characters were....except when it is.
Can you give a couple real examples of late where the comics went too far? Because like the guy in the Nazi hat in the video, you're giving a bunch of hyperbole but nothing that's actually happened....except when it is.
I mean, if you want to switch up the characters, go nuts. Give Caliban the Captain Universe power. Change Green Lantern’s vulnerability to be mechanically separated chicken instead of wood/yellow. Have Black Canary and Green Arrow come out as Bi (nobody would bat an eyelash!). But don’t pass the mantle or rebrand the character JUST because some exec says, “We need more appeal among 18-22yr olds who play Fortnight, so let’s give Frank Castle a pair of angel wings and a purple shotgun.”
No. Make it matter. Changing “The Invisible GIrl” into “The Invisible Woman” mattered, it wasn’t a crappy stunt aimed at bringing in more feminist readers.
—Patrick
Having none of your movie characters available when their respective movies are coming out, and the potential ability to gain new readers is at its highest.Can you give a couple real examples of late where the comics went too far? Because like the guy in the Nazi hat in the video, you're giving a bunch of hyperbole but nothing that's actually happened.
I can’t because I’ve been out of comics for so long, so no specific examples of late (New 52, mebbe?), but when so many characters change so quickly, it starts to smell more and more like when that new boss comes in and just HAS to change everything. Not because it’ll be better, just so that it’ll be new. And fresh.Can you give a couple real examples of late where the comics went too far? Because like the guy in the Nazi hat in the video, you're giving a bunch of hyperbole but nothing that's actually happened.
I meant specific characters.Having none of your movie characters available when their respective movies are coming out, and the potential ability to gain new readers is at its highest.
So you have no idea what you're talking about, but you're making these assertions anyway.I can’t because I’ve been out of comics for so long, so no specific examples of late (New 52, mebbe?), but when so many characters change so quickly, it starts to smell more and more like when that new boss comes in and just HAS to change everything. Not because it’ll be better, just so that it’ll be new. And fresh.
—Patrick
This was the trend I noticed around the early 90’s,and it is one of the things that made me decide to stop following comics. I may be mistaken, but I have yet to hear anything from anyone here suggesting the comic industry suddenly got its act together and decided to stop doing so. If anything, the things discussed suggest to me they’ve doubled down on it. I do hear people talking about this story or that arc, but they seem to be the exception, not the rule.So you have no idea what you're talking about, but you're making these assertions anyway.
Now that I'm thinking about it, catering to a larger, more diverse crowd by bringing in new faces with the same names started the Silver Age of comics, didn't it?As for characters being replaced? Yeah, that's been happening for decades.
Have you seen Green Lantern? Because, i can't, for the life of me, see how anyone could imagine someone not knowing who Hal was making the experience worse in any way... if anything it might have made the blow softer, since they weren't raping the character you liked...Part of me wonders if this actually added to the Green Lantern movie's problems, with a bunch of kids raised on the JL cartoon wondering, "who the fuck is this?".
BARRY ALLEN IS JUST A NAME THIEF, JAY GARRICK IS THE REAL FLASH...Now that I'm thinking about it, catering to a larger, more diverse crowd by bringing in new faces with the same names started the Silver Age of comics, didn't it?
I saw parts while Mr. Z tried to watch it on a plane and that was....enough. But if I recall it didn't do well financially, either, and I could see a segment of people not being interested in, what they consider, not to be THE Lantern. That part has no baring on the lack of quality, I'm just talking about butts in seats. The last few Superman/Batman/JL have been dubious in quality (not to the same level of dreck as GL), but have still turned a profit. Then again, it's harder to find more popular names in superhero cinema for the last 40 years than "Superman" and "Batman".Have you seen Green Lantern? Because, i can't, for the life of me, see how anyone could imagine someone not knowing who Hal was making the experience worse in any way... if anything it might have made the blow softer, since they weren't raping the character you liked...
AND YET THEY KEEP TRYING ITIt's almost like...THIS SHIT HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR DECADES.
...not that it hasn’t worked, but it only works what, once every 15-20 years or so?bringing in new faces with the same names started the Silver Age of comics, didn't it?
Well...yeah. That's comics. It's not that they keep trying it. It's that that's comics. Characters taking over the mantle (for awhile). Weird, new powers (for awhile). Dying (for awhile). Lost in space (for awhile). Stuck in another dimension or time period (for awhile). Totally new supporting cast (for awhile).AND YET THEY KEEP TRYING IT
“Maybe this time will be different.”tm
Maybe, if he actually cared about that. D&C cares about one thing: $. That's why his videos started branching into bitching about kids' cartoons. The more things he can be a dipshit about, the more clicks, the more money he makes.If I were Jim I'd have pointed out that there are THREE black Supermen in the multiverse right now, would probably make his MIND explode!
If you can't give examples, then how do you know it's happened the way you're talking about? How can there be a discussion about it when what you're suggesting becomes a nebulous hypothetical?Speaking strictly for myself, of course, I think there's a difference. If a character passes on the cape, for in-story reasons, proper closure, whatever, I don't care if it's to a white guy or a black woman or what-have-you. If it feels like a change done for the purpose of "diversity" without being "earned" in the story, without proper build-up, that's poor writing and a shame.
Again, that's just my opinion, and I can't give examples of one or the other specifically. I'm not the one saying it only works once every twenty years, either.
Well it's true, you are no Scotsman.I think we're starting to stray into "No True Scotsman" territory.
--Patrick
I'm not trying to do that, but I think anyone could understand why this:I think we're starting to stray into "No True Scotsman" territory.
And that would be an issue of time in relation to change. If a change happens over time, we get a story out of it. If a change is instant, it's jarring and only focuses on the post-change stories. This was the real failing with Marvel in ANAD post-Secret Wars. Everything skipped eight months so they wouldn't have to show things changing. That robbed the chances for stories and for people to be part of the journey of those changes.There have been changes throughout comic history that feel like they are peremptory, jarring, or contrived. I do not like these kinds of changes, regardless of who they happen(ed) to, when they happen(ed), or whatever.
When John Stewart first became the Green Lantern, I was skeptical, but I felt like the writers were ultimately able to pull it off.
When they created a Black Captain Atom (Major Force) to go with the White Captain Atom (and later completed the rom-com trio with a female Captain Atom), or when they made Deathlok into a Black man, I also didn't feel like they were doing it "for diversity" because in each case it fit, story-wise. Maybe they were doing it "for diversity" and just disguised it really well, I don't know.
But if, for instance, some writer/editor suddenly decided to pass the mantle of Silver Samurai down to a Brazilian journalist whose small plane crashed while visiting Japan, well, I might have issue with that.
--Patrick
That's not all that different from the origin of Iron Fist in the Netflix series. Just sayin'....But if, for instance, some writer/editor suddenly decided to pass the mantle of Silver Samurai down to a Brazilian journalist whose small plane crashed while visiting Japan, well, I might have issue with that.
I'm going to assume that list includes the "One More Day" fiasco, because it is some grade-A bullshit that "fans can't relate to a married Spider-Man" and it STILL has been trying to recover from that crap.But you're right, sometimes editor and writers make bad decisions. Sometimes they write bad stories, or make stupid decisions when creating a character, or whatever. They do so for a thousand different reasons.
While it's true that most of the list is times editorial decisions went bad, keep in mind that the list only exists because those are noteworthy. The amount of times editorial decisions were just fine, and thus not worthy of being on a list, is going to far outweigh the times they made a huge impact on comics history in a good way, or when they went horribly wrong.
From what I've heard, that was almost ALL Joe Quesada calling that.I'm going to assume that list includes the "One More Day" fiasco, because it is some grade-A bullshit that "fans can't relate to a married Spider-Man" and it STILL has been trying to recover from that crap.
...Believe it or not, I was actually going to say that in a footnote, but forgot to add it the rush to get ready for work, because I was also going to talk about "diversity" and how that origin was happening to a white male, turning it on its head etc.That's not all that different from the origin of Iron Fist in the Netflix series. Just sayin'....
Imagine being such a shitty editor that your badgering demands make the writer quit mid-story, leaving you to write the rest yourself.From what I've heard, that was almost ALL Joe Quesada calling that.
You mean his original origin, that's still canon, as far as i recall?That's not all that different from the origin of Iron Fist in the Netflix series..
Yes. I misread the Wikipedia entry when I was trying to figure out if his comic origin was the same as his Netflix origin. I thought it said Danny was older when he came to K'un-L'un, but I was apparently skimming too fast. I haven't read much of Iron Fist in comics.You mean his original origin, that's still canon, as far as i recall?
Yeah that's something I feel has been lacking from a LOT of superhero stories lately, the CIVILIAN aspect of a superhero. Clark kinda has that when he's at the planet, but even then his dayjob is directly tied to his identity as Superman. Its why I loved Tomasi's run on Superman, as when he was in Hamilton it wasn't always Super stuff, sometimes he'd just go to a freaking carnival with his wife and son, or a creepy jingoistic Veteran's day vacation and it was nice(well MOSTLY nice in the second one, he DID leave a skeleton on a doorstep)!Power Man and Iron Fist was one of the ones I followed whenever I could, but that was more because I felt the "ground level" superheroes often had the more interesting stories to tell.
I mean, it's great and all when Superman has to go toe-to-toe with Doomsday out in the middle of Main Street, but I would also completely eat up a story where some real estate developer tries underhanded tactics to force Ma and Pa Kent to sell their land, and Clark has to go back home and deal with it without the benefit of the "S."
--Patrick
The original, golden age Superman would jut break into the guys house, slap him around, find the incriminating papers and just drop him off at the nearest police station...some real estate developer tries underhanded tactics to force Ma and Pa Kent to sell their land, and Clark has to go back home and deal with it without the benefit of the "S."
--Patrick
I don’t know, but can we please get John Plant to play the part?Has there ever been an Elseworld story where Batman was poor? Like, same origin, same motivation, but he DIDN'T have the Wayne family fortune.
Not that I can think of, but I think Darren Aronofsky was going to go in something similar to that direction when he was attached to Batman Begins. Instead of Alfred being a butler, he would have been a mechanic who took Bruce in.Has there ever been an Elseworld story where Batman was poor? Like, same origin, same motivation, but he DIDN'T have the Wayne family fortune.
The one that immediately jumps to mind is the Batman from Superman: Red Son, whose parents were soviet dissidents that got gunned down.Has there ever been an Elseworld story where Batman was poor? Like, same origin, same motivation, but he DIDN'T have the Wayne family fortune.
Getting mine tomorrow!Just a reminder that Gravity Falls: Lost Legends, a graphic novel written by show creator Alex Hirsch, is now out.
I say this with experience, but believe me, once you switch to being a trade waiter, you'll never go back to floppies.I'm having such a hard time tearing myself away from getting monthlies. There are a couple I'm still going to pick up, but I really need to move to trade waiting. It's just a hard habit to break.
I think the really hard part is immediacy. Like, I know the next arc of Spectacular Spider-Man will be out in trade in 7 months ... or I could start reading it this Wednesday. Justice League is the really hard one because I know the trades are going to be far behind since it's double shipping each month. Tomasi finished with Superman months ago and it'll still be into next year before his run is finished being collected into paperback.I say this with experience, but believe me, once you switch to being a trade waiter, you'll never go back to floppies.
B-b-but...! Then you get awesome looking bookcases!I think the really hard part is immediacy. Like, I know the next arc of Spectacular Spider-Man will be out in trade in 7 months ... or I could start reading it this Wednesday. Justice League is the really hard one because I know the trades are going to be far behind since it's double shipping each month. Tomasi finished with Superman months ago and it'll still be into next year before his run is finished being collected into paperback.
I just need to take this time to catch up on the many unread trades I've accumulated, and keep a schedule of when trades I want are coming to the comic shop.
Maybe when we get a house . Right now I'm trying to be careful how much I accumulate for the tiny bookspace we have.B-b-but...! Then you get awesome looking bookcases!
I don't know what your local library is like, but I also recommend borrowing stuff out and trying books there, too, if you're unsure about slapping money down for them. I've discovered or tried SO many books thanks to my library. I plan on buying many of them when I can, like Transmetropolitan and The Sixth Gun.Okay, I did it. I cancelled half my pull list. (I wish phone calls weren't so hard for me.) Gotta support the low end books that will be cancelled if they drop even one more subscriber *pour one out for A-Force* but the other stuff that's guaranteed to last, I can wait. And it's not like the comic shop will lose money. I'll just now have more money to buy other trades, test new Image and Boom series, etc.
I guess I meant new things . I can test the waters of the untested.I don't know what your local library is like, but I also recommend borrowing stuff out and trying books there, too, if you're unsure about slapping money down for them. I've discovered or tried SO many books thanks to my library. I plan on buying many of them when I can, like Transmetropolitan and The Sixth Gun.
I feel these days Morrison isn't sure if he wants to tell a story or imply one, and I don't feel like spending the money anymore to find out.I ain't the only one drooling at the concept of a Grant Morrison written Green Lantern series am I?
Gosh, what a shame. Whatever will the comics world do without him?D&C has deleted his Twitter and probably shoving all the money he scammed from his followers into an offshore account.
I also see spider-man, but this is great news for me, it'll make dating much easier.
Well, that's half of it.If only more women were into bears.
This is why I'm glad I'm unusually specific.The other half is, sometimes my... proclivities... are distracting.
Also I don't like certain kinds of people having basically sudo command access over me.
If it wasn't young, freckled redhead girls with green eyes and a winning smile, it'd be a male variationAlso I don't like certain kinds of people having basically sudo command access over me.
... the eyes don't even have to be green.If it wasn't young, freckled redhead girls with green eyes and a winning smile, it'd be a male variation
Pauline was indeed many years my senior.I doubt they have to be all that young either.
Once again, a complaint that makes you go, "...have you ever seen/read/watched the thing you're arguing for/against?". Aside from Kirk's sexist leanings, the entire show and all is sequels were invented to be SJW. Not even subtly, it was its mission statement. HOW does someone not see that?!What is he doing to that page?
Also Trek has always been the most SJW show out there...
I thought his Nightwing was going to be the worst Dick Grayson story I would read all year...Not necessarily a rant, but it REALLY seems like Ben Percy is incapable of stopping himself from writing stories about people who combat the dark side of technology through augmented reality implants. Teen Titans, Nightwing, Green Arrow, even his own book aptly titled "The Dark Net". I don't want to say he's obsessed with the premise but homeboy DOES do it a lot.
Yeah when a story that re-writes Dick Grayson personality into a technophobic Luddite ain't the worst it can get...that says something.I thought his Nightwing was going to be the worst Dick Grayson story I would read all year...
...I wish I was right
*Emperor Palpatine impression* Goooood. GOOOOOOD.Spider-Man-less got me looking into getting some Spider-Gwen trades, but then as I looked over them, saw how the run kept being broken by crossovers and missing issues, I remembered why I kinda fell away from much of this.
I think the movie just had me really excited, but I don't need to put up with Marvel's nonsense to have a good time.
I would probably buy a Spider-Gwen omnibus. Edge of Spider-verse, Spider-women, the main series, the other Spider-man crossovers. If it was genuinely complete, that would be an amazing read.*Emperor Palpatine impression* Goooood. GOOOOOOD.
I feel like a proud father souring you over the years on DC/Marvel nonsense like that.
Though honestly, if they ever release a Spider-Gwen Complete Collection that has all the related crossovers included, it might be worth it.
Autocorrect, what the fuck. Spider-verse. See? It's not that hard. Spider-verse, spider-verse, spider-verse.Spider-Man-less
Remember anything else? Was it color? Black and white? Superheroes? Slice of life? Any main characters?From what I remember it wasn't a mainstream comic, it was indie I think.
Color, superheroes, drama I think, and I don't know, I just remember reading the description forever ago and can't find it online.Remember anything else? Was it color? Black and white? Superheroes? Slice of life? Any main characters?
Brother Voodoo, actually.All I can say is...some people gonna die.
Is that Amanda Waller?
--Patrick
So, Savage Dragon is very much not aimed at children, so I would assume this parody isn't, either.And now ladies and gentlemen I present another episode of "What the fuck is wrong with Erik Larson theater"(be warned, its gross and weird):
AND NO-you are not mistaken, that was clearly a...children's cartoon...where a child beats up another child and...does what I don't want to explain any further because Erik Larson.
Fully aware, STILL a gross rape joke though.So, Savage Dragon is very much not aimed at children, so I would assume this parody isn't, either.
Zod begs to differ.Writing aside the art is questional too. The first panel makes no sense at all. A neck can't bend that way.
Isn't that canon already?Random Superman headcanon...
The Big Blue Boy Scout through and through. And is proud of it.
He's the guy who brings the food to your BBQ. And flowers for your mother.
He loves Dad jokes.
If going to visit family is a hardship, He'll find you a way.
He loves baseball. And since the Byrne Man of Steel (by my own count), a Royals fan. The landfills of Kansas are full of smashed radios to prove it.
Several of them don't require foreknowledge, but will be cancelled soon so they can be rebooted again you can come in with zero foreknowledge.So I'm a little out of the loop with the current DC and Marvel comics. With all the reboots, restarts and big events that changes everything again, are there any current comics that are worth reading for basically a new reader without knowing all that what happens in detail just with the basic knowledge of the heroes?
Crowded is the most recent one I have seen getting buzz.Oddly enough, I haven't seen much chatter for must-read books from Marvel or DC these days. Not on level of Vision or something. There are books people are enjoying, but I don't see like, "Holy shit, literally EVERYONE loves this book." Closest is probably Tom King's recently wrapped up Miracle Man mini-series.
Actually, come to think of it, I haven't seen much chatter from any comic, even outside of DC or Marvel. Maybe I'm not looking that hard, but I haven't seen any particularly outstanding book talked about lately. Not on a level like Saga or something.
Probably Grant Morrison.What evil ne'er-do-well made them all constipated at the same time?
Um...*CRICKETS* *CRICKETS*
AH-here I go, going across the wikis the weirdest Marvel Universe has to be the one where everybody's sex is the opposite, their alignment is the opposite, and their first and last names are essentially switched. I wouldn't mind if not for the good female Doc Ock's name being...Octavia Otto...even though I know Otto CAN be a last name, it still sounds weird.
I'd be more confused by Rogera Steves or Starkie Tony.*CRICKETS* *CRICKETS*
AH-here I go, going across the wikis the weirdest Marvel Universe has to be the one where everybody's sex is the opposite, their alignment is the opposite, and their first and last names are essentially switched. I wouldn't mind if not for the good female Doc Ock's name being...Octavia Otto...even though I know Otto CAN be a last name, it still sounds weird.
Reading on mobile, I thought you said “Stankie Tony.”I'd be more confused by Rogera Steves or Starkie Tony.
Damn straight, Olivia Octavius > Octavia Otto, in terms of names. It just FLOWS better.Um...
--PatrickIn Saint Louis, thieves broke into Martin Casas's storage locker and snatched his comic book collection. Then they took the comics to a local comic shop to sell them. Thing is, Casas owns the shop.
Wednesday at 6:56 PM , nearly a week ago.So... heh... snrk... heh heh... get this.
Is the editor in chief still that white dude that pretended to be Japanese to get work doing Japanese Marvel stories?So... heh... snrk... heh heh... get this.
Marvel's "New Warriors" comic is shaping up to look really... ha ha ha ha...
Look. They've got twin non-binary gender teen supers named SNOWFLAKE and SAFESPACE.
Marvel branded "tone-deaf" for non-binary superhero called 'Snowflake'
Snowflake, and their twin Safespace, are intended to "take those words and...wear them as badges of honor" -- but the backlash has been intensewww.metroweekly.com
And just in case you still harbored any doubts that this was the work of some out of touch anglo cishet dude either trying to white knight or cash in on being woke (Poe's Law makes it difficult to tell sometimes)...
... there's also a character who is a meme junkie and his power is googling.
Because memes are what the kids are into these days, right? That'll sell some dead tree comics!
I was just about to mention this, too. Marvel needs to check themselves. Fast.Is the editor in chief still that white dude that pretended to be Japanese to get work doing Japanese Marvel stories?
YUP!
C. B. Cebulski - Wikipedia
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I think they'd rather wreck themselvesI was just about to mention this, too. Marvel needs to check themselves. Fast.
Virtually all of human history indicates: Yes. At least, if you have even the slightest bit of power, wealth, or other method of shielding yourself from consequences.Fuck, is it so fucking hard to not be a piece of shit?
Apparently not when you're a creepy but highly influential man interacting with young, impressionable women who are terrified of being blacklisted if they say something.Fuck, is it so fucking hard to not be a piece of shit?
Agreed. I just tried it myself and it was spotty, to put it mildy.Just bought it and am downloading them in the dreaded PDF. And downloading that many is a real pain in the ass. Their bulk downloader just doesn't work very well.
I did one of these a couple years ago and got great value out of it. I don't see too much overlap with that bundle, so I'm in.Humble Bundle has one HECK of an Image Comics bundle right now. Even better, I didn't realize they now offered CBZ files for their comics, which is a much better format for reading than PDF. Especially for the program ComicRack, which I can read on desktop or tablet.
But mainly the people who think pleasing shareholders should be the primary focus.Fuck shareholders.
This Reddit thread adds a few more:Comixology is offering around 255 digital issues of Black Panther for free, no idea how long it might last.
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I thought the Spider-Armor was actually kind of cool.Well, it's not the first time they've questionably twiddled with his costume.
I've always heard that Batman trained long and hard to be the best at everything. This must mean he's the best weeb as well.TIL Bruce Wayne and J'onn J'onzz are Sailor Moon fans...
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And that one is even worse, since it's the GL Corps, and it's best characters aren't even the earth ones.See also Hal Jordan and the redundancy of Kyle Rayner.
C'mon, that's totally just because criminals have a well known phobia of bats...He decided to fight crime DRESSED AS A BAT. Can we stop pretending he is the smooth opertator he claims to be and admit Bruce is a giant dork?
I saw this andHe decided to fight crime DRESSED AS A BAT. Can we stop pretending he is the smooth opertator he claims to be and admit Bruce is a giant dork?
You KNOW Tony Stark will go down, even on a first date.Wasn't sure where else to put this, since it's as much about DC Comics as a whole as it is about the Harley Quinn animated series.
DC Comics has this backwards. Batman is no hero if he won't go down on his partner.
“Yeah, I’m going to need that shirt back.”You KNOW Tony Stark will go down, even on a first date.
Make Mine Marvel.
Oh my GOD I heard RDJ saying that in my HEAD.“Yeah, I’m going to need that shirt back.”
—Patrick
Hey YOU'RE the one giving him free RENT.Oh my GOD I heard RDJ saying that in my HEAD.
See also: Black AdamSomeone has already commissioned the Harley/Serena comic with “Heroes might not do that, but *I* do.”