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Rape Victim? Is because you dressed ungodly
#1
Green_Lantern
Green_Lantern
#2
Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
From the article:
I'm sorry for not taking this seriously, GL.
She must've been wearing eyeliner.Sandra G. Rasnake . . . had one eyebrow cocked as she read through the leaflet.
I'm sorry for not taking this seriously, GL.
#3
Troll
Troll
That shit sickens me.
#4
Philosopher B.
Philosopher B.
Should've answered: 'Even though none are showing, you make me want to bash your brains in.'“Even though nothing is showing, you’re being ungodly,” Canter recalled the woman telling her. “You make men want to be sinful.”
#5
Iaculus
Iaculus
So... uh... what about men wearing skimpy clothing? They asking to have a metric tonne of lady-rape visited upon them?
Or, better, for the sexual equivalent of Godwin's Law: "That eight-year-old was dressing provocatively, officer! It's her fault!"
Or, better, for the sexual equivalent of Godwin's Law: "That eight-year-old was dressing provocatively, officer! It's her fault!"
#6
Philosopher B.
Philosopher B.
They're asking for gay buttsex!So... uh... what about men wearing skimpy clothing?
#7
Chibibar
Chibibar
I was surprise the car was still PARKED at the restaurant when the mother (owner) came back from the bank. What are they waiting for? a response?
#8
Rob King
*Re-checks username*
Oh. Nevermind.
Rob King
Icarus?"That eight-year-old was dressing provocatively, officer! It's her fault!"
*Re-checks username*
Oh. Nevermind.
#9
Dave
Dave
I'll bet the woman who handed out the pamphlet was a real beauty. I've noticed that women who express these types of views are those who are generally considered to be difficult to look at.
Blame the victim. Love it.
Blame the victim. Love it.
#10
Espy
Espy
Wow... sometimes you forget nutjobs like this exist. Very well done article, the reporter didn't use it to slam anyone but the idiot who handed her that leaflet. Avoid the comments section though... yikes.
#11
Eriol
Eriol
I actually liked the final two paragraphs in the article:
As for the rest, /boggle. wtf? I know this attitude is still out there, but still, wtf?
This is rarely added in this issue, so I'm glad it was here.Rasnake was similarly perplexed by the leaflet’s little faith in mankind.
“It’s insulting to men,” she said. “The men that I know and associate with are not so lust-driven that they cannot control their urges.”
As for the rest, /boggle. wtf? I know this attitude is still out there, but still, wtf?
#12
Chazwozel
Their own fucking religion tells them that they're idiots!
Romans 3:23. Paul says all have sinned. However, read this again. Paul did not say all are sinners. He said all have sinned. The words "have" indicates an activity on every individual's part. Every one of us have broken God's law. This does not imply that those sins were inherited. Remember our discussion of James 1:14-15, every man is tempted, being drawn away by his own lusts. Notice that it says "every man" and the lusts are "his own" not his father's or Adam's lusts. Paul and James are teaching the same thing. Every person is faced with a choice between doing right and wrong. Every man has made the wrong choice at various times in his life.
The bible tells you itself that you are responsible for your own actions and no one else is to blame for your actions but yourself!
Chazwozel
Their own fucking religion tells them that they're idiots!
Romans 3:23. Paul says all have sinned. However, read this again. Paul did not say all are sinners. He said all have sinned. The words "have" indicates an activity on every individual's part. Every one of us have broken God's law. This does not imply that those sins were inherited. Remember our discussion of James 1:14-15, every man is tempted, being drawn away by his own lusts. Notice that it says "every man" and the lusts are "his own" not his father's or Adam's lusts. Paul and James are teaching the same thing. Every person is faced with a choice between doing right and wrong. Every man has made the wrong choice at various times in his life.
The bible tells you itself that you are responsible for your own actions and no one else is to blame for your actions but yourself!
#13
Green_Lantern
Green_Lantern
except when the devil make you do it.The bible tells you itself that you are responsible for your own actions and no one else is to blame for your actions but yourself!
#14
SpecialKO
SpecialKO
FTFY.except when [STRIKE]the devil make you do it.[/STRIKE] the depth of their cleavage makes you do it.
#15
Chazwozel
FOOSBALL IS DA DEVIL!
Chazwozel
except when the devil make you do it.[/QUOTE]The bible tells you itself that you are responsible for your own actions and no one else is to blame for your actions but yourself!
FOOSBALL IS DA DEVIL!
#16
North_Ranger
North_Ranger
I don't consider myself a violent person, but asshats like the ones handing out the leaflet make me want to slam their face repeatedly into the table. I'm doing them a favour, too. Nobody wants to rape someone whose nose has collapsed and has lost a couple of teeth.
#17
Totally Not Soliloquy
Totally Not Soliloquy
#18
Steven Soderburgin
Steven Soderburgin
Yep, this is fucking horrible!
#20
Hailey Knight
Hailey Knight
\"I didn't mean to do it,\" the woman said. \"We was arguing, I tried to get my gun to prove a point, they got the rifle with me and it went off.\"
Yeah... didn't mean to do it. Uh-huh.The sisters were in the car when Burgess came running up with a gun, reached inside the car, pulled Danielle by the hair and shot her as she tried to seek shelter under her older sister.
#21
North_Ranger
I hope she gets "accidentally" beaten up.
North_Ranger
\\"I didn't mean to do it,\\" the woman said. \\"We was arguing, I tried to get my gun to prove a point, they got the rifle with me and it went off.\\"
Yeah... didn't mean to do it. Uh-huh.[/QUOTE]The sisters were in the car when Burgess came running up with a gun, reached inside the car, pulled Danielle by the hair and shot her as she tried to seek shelter under her older sister.
I hope she gets "accidentally" beaten up.
#22
Chibibar
I hope she gets "accidentally" beaten up.[/QUOTE]
That is mess up. I bet the "aunt" (which actually is second older cousin) is just jealous of her younger cousin's look.
Chibibar
\\\"I didn't mean to do it,\\\" the woman said. \\\"We was arguing, I tried to get my gun to prove a point, they got the rifle with me and it went off.\\\"
Yeah... didn't mean to do it. Uh-huh.[/QUOTE]The sisters were in the car when Burgess came running up with a gun, reached inside the car, pulled Danielle by the hair and shot her as she tried to seek shelter under her older sister.
I hope she gets "accidentally" beaten up.[/QUOTE]
That is mess up. I bet the "aunt" (which actually is second older cousin) is just jealous of her younger cousin's look.
#23
Steven Soderburgin
Steven Soderburgin
ugh ugh ugh
ugh that is so fucking sad and i just ffffffffffffff
ugh that is so fucking sad and i just ffffffffffffff
#24
sixpackshaker
I hope she gets "accidentally" beaten up.[/QUOTE]
That is mess up. I bet the "aunt" (which actually is second older cousin) is just jealous of her younger cousin's look.[/QUOTE]
Jealousy may be behind it, not to many people like having Girls hitting on their men. Just the shear stupidity behind the whole situation is mind boggling.
sixpackshaker
\\\\"I didn't mean to do it,\\\\" the woman said. \\\\"We was arguing, I tried to get my gun to prove a point, they got the rifle with me and it went off.\\\\"
Yeah... didn't mean to do it. Uh-huh.[/QUOTE]The sisters were in the car when Burgess came running up with a gun, reached inside the car, pulled Danielle by the hair and shot her as she tried to seek shelter under her older sister.
I hope she gets "accidentally" beaten up.[/QUOTE]
That is mess up. I bet the "aunt" (which actually is second older cousin) is just jealous of her younger cousin's look.[/QUOTE]
Jealousy may be behind it, not to many people like having Girls hitting on their men. Just the shear stupidity behind the whole situation is mind boggling.
#25
Green_Lantern
Green_Lantern
If only the girls in the cars had guns with them this tragedy could be avoided, they could shot at her "aunt" before her aunt shot the second victim
/sarcasm.
/sarcasm.
#26
Iaculus
Besides, the way it apparently panned out, she probably could have done the exact same thing with a kitchen knife. More easily, in fact.
Iaculus
Dude - we have enough gun control threads as it is. No need to bring that debate anywhere it isn't already.If only the girls in the cars had guns with them this tragedy could be avoided, they could shot at her "aunt" before her aunt shot the second victim
/sarcasm.
Besides, the way it apparently panned out, she probably could have done the exact same thing with a kitchen knife. More easily, in fact.
#27
Green_Lantern
Besides, the way it apparently panned out, she probably could have done the exact same thing with a kitchen knife. More easily, in fact.[/QUOTE]
Next time: try to open your godamn own thread, the button is not hard to press.
Still fail to see why kitchen knifes are considered so easy to use as guns, I doubt that a 42 old woman could use one more letally than a firearm.
Green_Lantern
Dude - we have enough gun control threads as it is. No need to bring that debate anywhere it isn't already.If only the girls in the cars had guns with them this tragedy could be avoided, they could shot at her "aunt" before her aunt shot the second victim
/sarcasm.
Besides, the way it apparently panned out, she probably could have done the exact same thing with a kitchen knife. More easily, in fact.[/QUOTE]
Next time: try to open your godamn own thread, the button is not hard to press.
Still fail to see why kitchen knifes are considered so easy to use as guns, I doubt that a 42 old woman could use one more letally than a firearm.
#28
Iaculus
Besides, the way it apparently panned out, she probably could have done the exact same thing with a kitchen knife. More easily, in fact.[/QUOTE]
Next time: try to open your godamn own thread, the button is not hard to press.
Still fail to see why kitchen knifes are considered so easy to use as guns, I doubt that a 42 old woman could use one more letally than a firearm.[/QUOTE]
In short, she was well within knife range, and would have probably found a kitchen knife easier to track down within the house than a gun. Rifles aren't designed for close-range, do she'd likely have had some difficulty pointing it at the armful of struggling niece/cousin she was also holding - imagine, for comparison, trying to stab someone with a broomstick whilst you're holding them by the hair with one hand and holding the stick (quite far down, since your finger must be on the trigger if you're going to fire it) in the other. Quite fiddly, no? Meanwhile, forty-two years old isn't exactly the nadir of crippling infirmity, and sticking a sharp bit of metal into someone in a manner that will cause a lot of damage isn't really all that hard - especially when compared to the blackpowder broomstick of our previous example.
Iaculus
Dude - we have enough gun control threads as it is. No need to bring that debate anywhere it isn't already.If only the girls in the cars had guns with them this tragedy could be avoided, they could shot at her "aunt" before her aunt shot the second victim
/sarcasm.
Besides, the way it apparently panned out, she probably could have done the exact same thing with a kitchen knife. More easily, in fact.[/QUOTE]
Next time: try to open your godamn own thread, the button is not hard to press.
Still fail to see why kitchen knifes are considered so easy to use as guns, I doubt that a 42 old woman could use one more letally than a firearm.[/QUOTE]
Judging by this and the rest of the article, she ran back into the house to grab a gun, before heading back outside, grabbing her niece/cousin with one hand, and pointing the gun at her with the other - presumably pressing it against said niece/cousin, since she was holding a rifle (i.e., a long, unwieldly gun) one-handed.The sisters were in the car when Burgess came running up with a gun, reached inside the car, pulled Danielle by the hair and shot her as she tried to seek shelter under her older sister.
In short, she was well within knife range, and would have probably found a kitchen knife easier to track down within the house than a gun. Rifles aren't designed for close-range, do she'd likely have had some difficulty pointing it at the armful of struggling niece/cousin she was also holding - imagine, for comparison, trying to stab someone with a broomstick whilst you're holding them by the hair with one hand and holding the stick (quite far down, since your finger must be on the trigger if you're going to fire it) in the other. Quite fiddly, no? Meanwhile, forty-two years old isn't exactly the nadir of crippling infirmity, and sticking a sharp bit of metal into someone in a manner that will cause a lot of damage isn't really all that hard - especially when compared to the blackpowder broomstick of our previous example.
#29
Green_Lantern
Green_Lantern
Okay, Knifes are terrible stabity-capable weapons, still doesn't justify how 90% of the guns thread usually have the argument of "if only there are even more guns around" that bugs me greatly.
#30
Iaculus
Iaculus
Yes, but what does that have to do with this story? I don't believe anyone's brought it up except you.Okay, Knifes are terrible stabity-capable weapons, still doesn't justify how 90% of the guns thread usually have the argument of "if only there are even more guns around" that bugs me greatly.
#31
Green_Lantern
like I said, it is a common argument thrown around in the guns debates.
Green_Lantern
Yes, but what does that have to do with this story? I don't believe anyone's brought it up except you.[/QUOTE]Okay, Knifes are terrible stabity-capable weapons, still doesn't justify how 90% of the guns thread usually have the argument of "if only there are even more guns around" that bugs me greatly.
like I said, it is a common argument thrown around in the guns debates.
#32
Ravenpoe
Ravenpoe
You know what this thread needs now?
Abortion debate.... GO!
Abortion debate.... GO!
#33
Hailey Knight
Hailey Knight
Some of this stuff crosses threads so rapidly, I don't know which one to read anymore.
#34
Rob King
Rob King
I think we should give guns to fetuses so that they can protect the Gays from marriage.
#35
Cajungal
Cajungal
:laugh:
#36
Hailey Knight
Hailey Knight
Cloned fetuses subject to stem-cell research.
#37
Iaculus
Iaculus
At gunpoint.Cloned fetuses subject to stem-cell research.
#38
Silver Jelly
Silver Jelly
I didn't read the article, but reading (yesterday, I think) the title of this thread made me think how much of these kinds of ideas are trying to say rapists are innocents and how much really mean to scare parents and young girls so they don't dress up in certain ways? That is: Do the people that generate these messages really believe in them, or they are telling bogeyman stories to have people do certain things?
#39
Green_Lantern
Of course, there is the... people, who do use these things to justify other points of views.
Green_Lantern
I think the article itself explain this issue, blaming the victim is a way to deal with the fear of rape, essencially the thinking goes like this "The rape happened because of this. If I do this and don't do that I am safe", since this is a much happier though than "I can't really do much to avoid a rape attack" people prefer to think the former.I didn't read the article, but reading (yesterday, I think) the title of this thread made me think how much of these kinds of ideas are trying to say rapists are innocents and how much really mean to scare parents and young girls so they don't dress up in certain ways? That is: Do the people that generate these messages really believe in them, or they are telling bogeyman stories to have people do certain things?
Of course, there is the... people, who do use these things to justify other points of views.
#40
Steven Soderburgin
Steven Soderburgin
I'm tempted to make a big post about the rape culture and how the ideas in the pamphlet fit into a larger culture which attempts to minimize the horrors of rape in subtle and insidious ways but I'm not sure how well that would go over.
#41
Troll
Troll
For what it's worth, I would be interested in that discussion.I'm tempted to make a big post about the rape culture and how the ideas in the pamphlet fit into a larger culture which attempts to minimize the horrors of rape in subtle and insidious ways but I'm not sure how well that would go over.
#42
Rob King
As would I, but as has been made clear in the homosexuality thread, I am a giant nerd.
Rob King
For what it's worth, I would be interested in that discussion.[/QUOTE]I'm tempted to make a big post about the rape culture and how the ideas in the pamphlet fit into a larger culture which attempts to minimize the horrors of rape in subtle and insidious ways but I'm not sure how well that would go over.
As would I, but as has been made clear in the homosexuality thread, I am a giant nerd.
#43
ThatGrinningIdiot!
As would I, but as has been made clear in the homosexuality thread, I am a giant nerd.[/QUOTE]
You have my axe!
Hehe, sorry.
I'd be interested in reading such an article as well.
ThatGrinningIdiot!
For what it's worth, I would be interested in that discussion.[/QUOTE]I'm tempted to make a big post about the rape culture and how the ideas in the pamphlet fit into a larger culture which attempts to minimize the horrors of rape in subtle and insidious ways but I'm not sure how well that would go over.
As would I, but as has been made clear in the homosexuality thread, I am a giant nerd.[/QUOTE]
You have my axe!
Hehe, sorry.
I'd be interested in reading such an article as well.
#44
Chazwozel
Of course, there is the... people, who do use these things to justify other points of views.[/QUOTE]
Funny enough, that's pretty much how religion deals with all issues that are completely out of a person's control.
Chazwozel
I think the article itself explain this issue, blaming the victim is a way to deal with the fear of rape, essencially the thinking goes like this "The rape happened because of this. If I do this and don't do that I am safe", since this is a much happier though than "I can't really do much to avoid a rape attack" people prefer to think the former.I didn't read the article, but reading (yesterday, I think) the title of this thread made me think how much of these kinds of ideas are trying to say rapists are innocents and how much really mean to scare parents and young girls so they don't dress up in certain ways? That is: Do the people that generate these messages really believe in them, or they are telling bogeyman stories to have people do certain things?
Of course, there is the... people, who do use these things to justify other points of views.[/QUOTE]
Funny enough, that's pretty much how religion deals with all issues that are completely out of a person's control.
#45
Green_Lantern
Green_Lantern
Really? I am shocked! SHOCKED I tell you.Funny enough, that's pretty much how religion deals with all issues that are completely out of a person's control.
#46
Steven Soderburgin
Steven Soderburgin
Okay, so I'm going to post a couple things about rape culture, including some recent examples of what it looks like. It's a term that has been circulating in feminism for a while now.
Here is a definition from the book "Transforming a Rape Culture"
Another example from Washington City Paper's "The Sexist" blog, regarding the reaction Hofstra University student who accused 5 men of tying her up and gang-raping her, and then recanting her accusation, admitting that she had consented:
In an example that is relevant to some recent events, last summer, a woman accused football player Ben Roethlisberger of raping her at a Lake Tahoe resort. Now, the case was dropped due to an affidavit from a woman who knew the alleged victim in which she swore that the woman was not traumatized or unhappy about the incident, and no claims of rape were heard when she spoke of it until she filed the lawsuit.
That's not the important part. What's important is that ESPN employees were told not to cover the story
Another example: the recent report that the Washington, D.C. police department refused to provide a rape kit to a woman who was too drunk/drugged to remember what happened, and because she did not know the last name of the person she suspected, despite being in severe physical pain and missing her panty liner. Her suspicion that she was raped was not taken seriously, and as a result, she will never know if she was raped and if she was, she will never see her day in court.
It's important to note that being blackout drunk does not excuse rape. Rape is still rape even if a person is blacked out. In most states, a person who is intoxicated cannot give legal consent for sex.
There are many, many other examples and lots of other issues that are part of this. I haven't even touched on things like the vast under-reporting of female-to-male rape, of the way prison rape is perceived and talked about in our society, etc. It's a large idea.
It's also important to note that many prominent feminist figures disagree with the notion of a rape culture, arguing that rape is one part of a much larger and much more entrenched culture of violence, particularly violence against women.
So, uh, yeah, that's my big post. Hopefully, this gives folks plenty to chew on.
Here is a definition from the book "Transforming a Rape Culture"
So what does that mean? The pamphlet that this thread is originally about is a good example: women should not be sexual, should not desire sex, and should hide and be ashamed of their sexuality because if they don't, then men will not be able to control themselves. This victim blaming is a part of the rape culture, because there are many people who entertain the thought that women who are raped are responsible for it because they either dressed immodestly, or they were drinking, or they have had sex with their rapist before. The rapist is just a man who couldn't control himself, so he is excused while the woman is demonized for bringing this horror upon herself.A rape culture is a complex of beliefs that encourages male sexual aggression and supports violence against women. It is a society where violence is seen as sexy and sexuality as violent. In a rape culture women perceive a continuum of threatened violence that ranges from sexual remarks to sexual touching to rape itself. A rape culture condones physical and emotional terrorism against women as the norm.
In a rape culture both men and women assume that sexual violence is a fact of life, inevitable as death or taxes. This violence, however, is neither biologically nor divinely ordained. Much of what we accept as inevitable is in fact the expression of values and attitudes that can change.
Another example from Washington City Paper's "The Sexist" blog, regarding the reaction Hofstra University student who accused 5 men of tying her up and gang-raping her, and then recanting her accusation, admitting that she had consented:
Here is one reaction to that incident from Men's News Daily:I can’t recall how many times I’ve seen a discussion of a rape accusation devolve into the one side arguing why the accuser should be believed, and the other side arguing that the accuser should be discredited. Another common point of argument I find frustrating—what percentage of rape claims are genuine, and what percentage are false? Most of the time, we, armchair rape analysts, launch into these arguments before we have any actual idea whether a particular person has raped another person. In most cases, we will never know. What we do know, all the time, is that rape is a problem, and false rape accusations are a problem. The meaningless squabbles between the two camps tend to overlook the fact that people concerned about rape and people concerned about fake rape accusations are both fighting against the same thing: rape culture.
Rape culture does not just encourage men to proceed after she says “no.” Rape culture does not simply teach men that a lack of physical resistance is an invitation. Rape culture does not only tell men to assert ownership over whichever female body they desire. Rape culture also tells women not to claim ownership over their own bodies. Rape culture also informs women that they should not desire sex. Rape culture also tells women that saying yes makes them bad women.
Both rape and rape accusations are products of the roles assigned by rape culture. In the traditional seduction scenario, a woman is expected to not desire to have sex, and to only submit after the man has successfully coerced her into submission. When the preferred model for consensual sex looks a hell of a lot like rape, an array of fucked-up scenarios are inevitable: the woman never wanted to fuck the guy, refuses to submit, and is raped; the woman submits to the man’s coercion in order to avoid other negative consequences (like being raped); the woman had desired the sex all along, but must defend her femininity by saying that she had been coerced into sex. Thankfully, a good deal of modern men and women reject these antiquated ideas, but they’re far from being banished from the sexual landscape. Especially when that landscape involves four men, one woman, and freshman year of college.
Notice that not only does he shame her for lying about being raped - which is fine, because she should never have done that - but he also shames her for consenting to have sex with these five men in the first place. In comments posted on blogs and news editorials, she is not characterized as a liar, but rather as a whore. The five men aren't shamed at all. Why? Because it's okay for men to have sexual encounters with 5 other people but not for women?In what has become a more or less common turn of events, the female Hofstra University student that accused five men, including one classmate, of gang raping her in a school dormitory bathroom has recanted the charges. That’s legal and media speak for admitting she cheapened herself by taking on five men willingly on a men’s room floor and lied about it later out of what little capacity for shame she had.
In an example that is relevant to some recent events, last summer, a woman accused football player Ben Roethlisberger of raping her at a Lake Tahoe resort. Now, the case was dropped due to an affidavit from a woman who knew the alleged victim in which she swore that the woman was not traumatized or unhappy about the incident, and no claims of rape were heard when she spoke of it until she filed the lawsuit.
That's not the important part. What's important is that ESPN employees were told not to cover the story
No matter their reasons for not covering the story (a decision that was later reversed), the fact that they chose not to cover it despite it being a rather important story about a prominent sports figure is disturbing. It's clear that ESPN was perfectly willing to minimize and suppress reporting that a major sports figure had allegedly raped a woman. One could infer that they were excusing the alleged behavior - a rape of a young woman - because he is a big enough star.A media source tells us that, late last night, ESPN issued a \\\\"do not report\\\\" memo to all of its outlets and reporters. The directive came without explanation. \\\\"Even some of the reporters are wondering why,\\\\" the source said, \\\\"but haven't been told.\\\\"
Another example: the recent report that the Washington, D.C. police department refused to provide a rape kit to a woman who was too drunk/drugged to remember what happened, and because she did not know the last name of the person she suspected, despite being in severe physical pain and missing her panty liner. Her suspicion that she was raped was not taken seriously, and as a result, she will never know if she was raped and if she was, she will never see her day in court.
It's important to note that being blackout drunk does not excuse rape. Rape is still rape even if a person is blacked out. In most states, a person who is intoxicated cannot give legal consent for sex.
There are many, many other examples and lots of other issues that are part of this. I haven't even touched on things like the vast under-reporting of female-to-male rape, of the way prison rape is perceived and talked about in our society, etc. It's a large idea.
It's also important to note that many prominent feminist figures disagree with the notion of a rape culture, arguing that rape is one part of a much larger and much more entrenched culture of violence, particularly violence against women.
So, uh, yeah, that's my big post. Hopefully, this gives folks plenty to chew on.
#47
Troll
Troll
This reminds me of a fight I had with a friend a few years back. I was dating a girl in college, and she volunteered to become a Rape Prevention Counselor at her school. Basically they trained students to give workshops about respecting women's rights, how to avoid dangerous situations ("don't let strangers make your drinks," and so on), and informed women of various services and support that they might need.
Anyway, my buddy asks what she's been up to. I tell him that my girlfriend gives workshops as a Rape Prevention Counselor. Before I can explain, he cuts me off by saying "So, she teaches women how to dress properly? Or tells sluts how to keep their legs closed?" I just stood there with my jaw dropped. I immediately told him to go fuck himself and threatened to beat his ass, and he backed off. That was the first time I really realized some people, even those who may seem otherwise open-minded and intelligent, have some really fucked up ideas about sex and rape.
Anyway, my buddy asks what she's been up to. I tell him that my girlfriend gives workshops as a Rape Prevention Counselor. Before I can explain, he cuts me off by saying "So, she teaches women how to dress properly? Or tells sluts how to keep their legs closed?" I just stood there with my jaw dropped. I immediately told him to go fuck himself and threatened to beat his ass, and he backed off. That was the first time I really realized some people, even those who may seem otherwise open-minded and intelligent, have some really fucked up ideas about sex and rape.
#48
Cajungal
Cajungal
Oh my.....GOD.
#49
Silver Jelly
Of course, there is the... people, who do use these things to justify other points of views.[/QUOTE]
Funny enough, that's pretty much how religion deals with all issues that are completely out of a person's control.[/QUOTE]
This is one of the aspects of religiuon that I always thought were bullshit. But, of course, there's plenty of people who generate these kinds of messages inside the catholic church, for example that do really believe in them. and people who use them to manipulate others into doing what they think is right, even if they don't actually believe what they are saying.
And people who don't believe those ideas and use them for personal objectives.
This kind of distinctions are one topic I always like to reflect upon, even if it's very hard to get to some satisfying answer.
Silver Jelly
I think the article itself explain this issue, blaming the victim is a way to deal with the fear of rape, essencially the thinking goes like this "The rape happened because of this. If I do this and don't do that I am safe", since this is a much happier though than "I can't really do much to avoid a rape attack" people prefer to think the former.I didn't read the article, but reading (yesterday, I think) the title of this thread made me think how much of these kinds of ideas are trying to say rapists are innocents and how much really mean to scare parents and young girls so they don't dress up in certain ways? That is: Do the people that generate these messages really believe in them, or they are telling bogeyman stories to have people do certain things?
Of course, there is the... people, who do use these things to justify other points of views.[/QUOTE]
Funny enough, that's pretty much how religion deals with all issues that are completely out of a person's control.[/QUOTE]
This is one of the aspects of religiuon that I always thought were bullshit. But, of course, there's plenty of people who generate these kinds of messages inside the catholic church, for example that do really believe in them. and people who use them to manipulate others into doing what they think is right, even if they don't actually believe what they are saying.
And people who don't believe those ideas and use them for personal objectives.
This kind of distinctions are one topic I always like to reflect upon, even if it's very hard to get to some satisfying answer.
#50
Chazwozel
Of course, there is the... people, who do use these things to justify other points of views.[/QUOTE]
Funny enough, that's pretty much how religion deals with all issues that are completely out of a person's control.[/QUOTE]
This is one of the aspects of religiuon that I always thought were bullshit. But, of course, there's plenty of people who generate these kinds of messages inside the catholic church, for example that do really believe in them. and people who use them to manipulate others into doing what they think is right, even if they don't actually believe what they are saying.
And people who don't believe those ideas and use them for personal objectives.
This kind of distinctions are one topic I always like to reflect upon, even if it's very hard to get to some satisfying answer.[/QUOTE]
Most religions are pretty much there as a way for human beings to cope with the ultimate things that are out of our control: fate and death.
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Chazwozel
I think the article itself explain this issue, blaming the victim is a way to deal with the fear of rape, essencially the thinking goes like this "The rape happened because of this. If I do this and don't do that I am safe", since this is a much happier though than "I can't really do much to avoid a rape attack" people prefer to think the former.I didn't read the article, but reading (yesterday, I think) the title of this thread made me think how much of these kinds of ideas are trying to say rapists are innocents and how much really mean to scare parents and young girls so they don't dress up in certain ways? That is: Do the people that generate these messages really believe in them, or they are telling bogeyman stories to have people do certain things?
Of course, there is the... people, who do use these things to justify other points of views.[/QUOTE]
Funny enough, that's pretty much how religion deals with all issues that are completely out of a person's control.[/QUOTE]
This is one of the aspects of religiuon that I always thought were bullshit. But, of course, there's plenty of people who generate these kinds of messages inside the catholic church, for example that do really believe in them. and people who use them to manipulate others into doing what they think is right, even if they don't actually believe what they are saying.
And people who don't believe those ideas and use them for personal objectives.
This kind of distinctions are one topic I always like to reflect upon, even if it's very hard to get to some satisfying answer.[/QUOTE]
Most religions are pretty much there as a way for human beings to cope with the ultimate things that are out of our control: fate and death.
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No you didn't.This reminds me of a fight I had with a friend a few years back. I was dating a girl in college, and she volunteered to become a Rape Prevention Counselor at her school. Basically they trained students to give workshops about respecting women's rights, how to avoid dangerous situations ("don't let strangers make your drinks," and so on), and informed women of various services and support that they might need.
Anyway, my buddy asks what she's been up to. I tell him that my girlfriend gives workshops as a Rape Prevention Counselor. Before I can explain, he cuts me off by saying "So, she teaches women how to dress properly? Or tells sluts how to keep their legs closed?" I just stood there with my jaw dropped. I immediately told him to go fuck himself and threatened to beat his ass, and he backed off. That was the first time I really realized some people, even those who may seem otherwise open-minded and intelligent, have some really fucked up ideas about sex and rape.
#51
Troll
I believe the exact phrase was "Go fuck yourself. You say shit like that one more time I will beat your ass."
But hey, since you were there why don't you tell me what I actually said. Go right ahead.
Troll
No you didn't.[/QUOTE]This reminds me of a fight I had with a friend a few years back. I was dating a girl in college, and she volunteered to become a Rape Prevention Counselor at her school. Basically they trained students to give workshops about respecting women's rights, how to avoid dangerous situations ("don't let strangers make your drinks," and so on), and informed women of various services and support that they might need.
Anyway, my buddy asks what she's been up to. I tell him that my girlfriend gives workshops as a Rape Prevention Counselor. Before I can explain, he cuts me off by saying "So, she teaches women how to dress properly? Or tells sluts how to keep their legs closed?" I just stood there with my jaw dropped. I immediately told him to go fuck himself and threatened to beat his ass, and he backed off. That was the first time I really realized some people, even those who may seem otherwise open-minded and intelligent, have some really fucked up ideas about sex and rape.
I believe the exact phrase was "Go fuck yourself. You say shit like that one more time I will beat your ass."
But hey, since you were there why don't you tell me what I actually said. Go right ahead.