Good Luck getting Rome to expedite or arrest him.The article touches on that... he's not a recognized head of state by the UN, and the Vatican doesn't have "official" country status.. so he should technically have no diplomatic immunity.
Richard Dawkins should stay in evolutionary biology. This is not a call for justice. This is simply another crusade in his war against theistic belief.
He is a brilliant geneticist, and I can respect him as long as he's talking about evolution. Outside of that field, he is a bigot, and his bigotry is just as destructive as that he accuses the Church of.
Pretty much this. I don't see how, practically, this could even be brought about; it just sounds like a play for attention.Richard Dawkins should stay in evolutionary biology. This is not a call for justice. This is simply another crusade in his war against theistic belief.
He is a brilliant geneticist, and I can respect him as long as he's talking about evolution. Outside of that field, he is a bigot, and his bigotry is just as destructive as that he accuses the Church of.
All they need is some anti-matter the size of a quarter....Mini-nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be certain.
All they need is some anti-matter the size of a quarter....[/QUOTE]Mini-nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be certain.
Richard Dawkins should stay in evolutionary biology. This is not a call for justice. This is simply another crusade in his war against theistic belief.
He is a brilliant geneticist, and I can respect him as long as he's talking about evolution. Outside of that field, he is a bigot, and his bigotry is just as destructive as that he accuses the Church of.
All they need is some anti-matter the size of a quarter....[/QUOTE]Mini-nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be certain.
Richard Dawkins should stay in evolutionary biology. This is not a call for justice. This is simply another crusade in his war against theistic belief.
He is a brilliant geneticist, and I can respect him as long as he's talking about evolution. Outside of that field, he is a bigot, and his bigotry is just as destructive as that he accuses the Church of.
Richard Dawkins should stay in evolutionary biology. This is not a call for justice. This is simply another crusade in his war against theistic belief.
He is a brilliant geneticist, and I can respect him as long as he's talking about evolution. Outside of that field, he is a bigot, and his bigotry is just as destructive as that he accuses the Church of.
Britain would arrest the pope while he was in Britain.Good Luck getting Rome to expedite or arrest him.
I'm pretty sure a judge approving an arrest warrant would be paying attention to such obvious considerations.My question has to do with the statute of limitations in the cases presented. If past he should not be remanded into custody.
Richard Dawkins.
lmao, everyone is starting their post with "Richard Dawkins...", it made me giggle for some reason. Cough, nevermind, carry on.
That's a bit unfair, he himself has said that he shifted his focus more towards writing than investigating, that doesn't mean he's a bad scientist.
You actually keep up on scientists that closely?If he was a brilliant scientist, I assume I would have heard of him through awards he had received.
Yes yes it does. If he had retired to start writing his Atheism books then it wouldn't but when he doesn't retire and still has a lab taking up resources without producing it makes him a terrible scientist.That's a bit unfair, he himself has said that he shifted his focus more towards writing than investigating, that doesn't mean he's a bad scientist.
Well that's one thing he and I have in common, I suppose.The God Delusion is actually a pretty good, well-thought out book and Dawkins is a really smart guy who just doesn't give a fuck and is trolling everyone.
You actually keep up on scientists that closely?If he was a brilliant scientist, I assume I would have heard of him through awards he had received.
This work?I was going to find some hot, nerdily dressed women, but those searches turned up some very questionable images, even with strict safe search on.
However the Holy See does have permanent observer status, which was recently extended. I believe they now have most of the abilities of a member state. Until 2002 Switzerland was also a permanent observer, not a member of the UN, but I don't think anyone would argue that Switzerland wasn't a real country before then. The Holy See also maintains diplomatic relations with countries, and accredits ambassadors. There's a UK ambassador to the Holy See.The article touches on that... he's not a recognized head of state by the UN, and the Vatican doesn't have \"official\" country status.. so he should technically have no diplomatic immunity.
Yes the Church is a disgusting group of hypocrites who hold themselves as better than everybody. The church is an institution that will bar children from a catholic education because their parents are homosexual.I'm aware as I write this that I'm probably going to get flamed, but knowing Halforums, there's likely to be some well-thought out responses, so I want to see what folks have to say.
I really don't understand all this hubbub about molestation in the church Yes, it's evil. Yes, those who practice it need to be prosecuted. But why do folks (not so much the folks in this thread, admittedly) focus so much on the institution of the Roman Catholic Church as the evil? Yes, the Church hides these things. Yes, the Church contains pedophiles.
Yes yes they are.But is the Church any worse than any other organization that deals with young people?
So how many pedophiles have been shifted around by the public school? How many children has the public school system threatened into keeping quiet? Are there pedos in the school system? Yes there are but the public school system doesn't protect them. Doesn't threaten their victims into being quiet and doesn't keep the pedos on the payroll.There are pedophiles in the American public schools. For the most part, the schools try to hide them – shuffle them off to other schools so it's someone else's problem, and doesn't bring bad press. All institutions that work with young people will have this problem. Like rape, murder, and genocide, pedophilia happens. It's horrible and it's reprehensible, but it's part of being human that we do these things, and you can't get rid of it, only minimize it. And I'm not convinced that the Roman Catholic Church is any worse than other institutions of similar size and contact with youth.
I don't have evidence, but I know there have been investigations in at least one state, and I've heard from teachers that it happens fairly often. If a teacher is accused, they get shuffled off to a new job elsewhere in the state, and everything gets hushed up because it's easier to do that than to investigate and find out if the allegations are true.So how many pedophiles have been shifted around by the public school? How many children has the public school system threatened into keeping quiet? Are there pedos in the school system? Yes there are but the public school system doesn't protect them. Doesn't threaten their victims into being quiet and doesn't keep the pedos on the payroll.
Find me evidence otherwise.
I don't have evidence, but I know there have been investigations in at least one state, and I've heard from teachers that it happens fairly often. If a teacher is accused, they get shuffled off to a new job elsewhere in the state, and everything gets hushed up because it's easier to do that than to investigate and find out if the allegations are true.So how many pedophiles have been shifted around by the public school? How many children has the public school system threatened into keeping quiet? Are there pedos in the school system? Yes there are but the public school system doesn't protect them. Doesn't threaten their victims into being quiet and doesn't keep the pedos on the payroll.
Find me evidence otherwise.
See my updated post with a news article from Oregon. If I had the time I could probably provide you with incidents from other states as well.But we can't really debate anecdotes. If the problem is as common as you and he claim then there should be some kind of study on it.
See my updated post with a news article from Oregon. If I had the time I could probably provide you with incidents from other states as well.[/QUOTE]But we can't really debate anecdotes. If the problem is as common as you and he claim then there should be some kind of study on it.
So the pope, then. I agree.Those who engage in the passing of the trash should be fired offhand and charged with conspiracy to commit rape of a minor.
They're used to it. I mean, Popes in Medieval times had it much, much worse: abducted and publicly humiliated by Byzantines, getting their youthful fling and daughter assassinated, dug up, tried posthumously and desecrated, strangled to death, murdered, overshadowed by two Roman strumpets, starved to death, accused of being a sorcerer in league with the Devil, sent to exile, pimp slapped and humiliated by the French, being played like a hand puppet by the King of France, posthumously accused of killing three boys by failed attempt at reviving by blood transfusion, paraded about as a rotting corpse, and so on.I won't support this dude, but I'd like to see the pope arrested.
I think it's disturbing for another reason as well. As I understand it, this is the way false accusations are dealt with as well. Students know the power that they have over teachers, and I knew kids in high school who talked about threatening teachers with false accusations. The system, and public perception, is so broken that it's assumed that no teacher's career can continue after an investigation, even if they're cleared, so everything is swept under the rug, true or false, in the name of protecting the innocent. Administrators just say "we can't know if they're innocent without investigating, but even doing that would mean the end of the teacher's career, so we'll give them a letter of recommendation and send them on their way." Injustice on two counts. The guilty get away with a slap on the wrist (or not even that), and are put in a new hunting ground. The innocent are left relatively unprotected, often with no choice but to run from accusations.Fuck that's disturbing. Of course the overall involvement of the schools does seem to be less but that isn't any kind of defense for what they're doing.
Those who engage in the passing of the trash should be fired offhand and charged with conspiracy to commit rape of a minor.