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Frank · Jul 24, 2020

Yar wasn't like that at all.

Bubble181 · Jul 24, 2020

Yeah. I mean, Crusher was a typical nurturer and Troi was useless eyecandy, but Yar was pretty much Trek trying to show a "strong" female character. Short hair though lesbian style, new and exciting for the early 90s.

AshburnerX · Jul 24, 2020

Frank said:
Yar wasn't like that at all.

Yeah, Tasha Yarr did some things on that show that her actress vehemently disagreed with, especially treating Data like shit after they had sex during that one episode, especially since Data apparently did have feelings for her. Denise Crosby has made it clear that in "her" version of canon, Tasha Yarr apologized to Data in her will about that (because he kept the memory thing that contained it, it showed up in two later episodes).

Squidleybits · Jul 24, 2020

Part of why DS9 is awesome is because of Kira and Dax and that they’re not put in lame roles. I’m not going to pretend that the writing was always good, but for a show of its age, they were solid characters.

mikerc · Jul 24, 2020

Bubble181 said:
Troi was useless eyecandy

According to Marina Sirtis it's because she wasn't allowed to have cleavage and brains. Also Troi may be useless, but Marina is hilarious.

Dei · Jul 24, 2020

mikerc said:
According to Marina Sirtis it's because she wasn't allowed to have cleavage and brains.

Look, I have one job on this lousy ship. It’s stupid, but I’m going to do it, okay?

GasBandit · Jul 24, 2020

fade said:
You know, I saw that and thought, "someone's going to read that as 7 being part of TNG", but I was just moving onto the next example from the Trek verse.

For TNG it was really Troi and Yar. Crusher, too. Classic "nurturer" role casting. But especially Troi.

At least they only made troi wear that ridiculous cheerleader outfit in season 1.

PatrThom · Jul 24, 2020

GasBandit said:
At least they only made troi wear that ridiculous cheerleader outfit in season 1.

And she was eventually promoted to full Commander rank.

--Patrick

sixpackshaker · Jul 25, 2020

I had to say that horn dog me missed Troi's mini skirts from the first season. But I hated her acting from the first season too. I mean I was 18 when it came out.

Frank · Jul 25, 2020

I thought it was funny that in season 1 Starfleet uniforms were unisex, skirt or pants.

THIS IS THE FUTURE LIBERALS WANT.

And without it, we'd never have Zap Branagan.

Celt Z · Jul 25, 2020

sixpackshaker said:
I had to say that horn dog me missed Troi's mini skirts from the first season. But I hated her acting from the first season too. I mean I was 18 when it came out.

They were going to kill her off the 1st season, but since Denise Crosby asked to be let go, Troi got to live. And get better writing. But they decided she needed to be eye-candy and made her anorexic, so yay for toxic male showrunners. :mad:

But I have seen/met Marina at cons and she's one of my favorites.

Frank · Jul 25, 2020

I saw them at the Calgary Expo quite a few years ago. Marina gets real about the sleaziness of her past work as a working actress. She seriously teared up talking about how grateful she is to Star Trek so she never had to do any of those "Dirty, dirty horrible things" again. Jonathan Frakes gave her a big hug afterwards.