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How many of you are cruising the boards because your WoW server is down? I know I am. And for you late comers.... How many of you would have been cruising the boards but you have a back up server just in case?

What do you think happens when the servers go down? Do the NPCs actually start to wander around and maybe even try to level up a bit themselves? Usually they have to stand around, constantly exchanging 10 boar heads for a few copper or waiting for someone to come and kill them. Maybe all the villains get together for a strip poker night, which Lady Vashj probably loses on purpose cause she's evil like that.

Shawnacy said:

Maybe all the villains get together for a strip poker night, which Lady Vashj probably loses on purpose cause she's evil like that.

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If I was made of pixels I could totally be down for that.

Since I'm not. I'm kinda just going to instead wonder if it's to late to drive to my girls house for a booty call. Which I know it's not. But I've been drinking heavily.

.... /derail

Shawnacy said:

What do you think happens when the servers go down? Do the NPCs actually start to wander around and maybe even try to level up a bit themselves? Usually they have to stand around, constantly exchanging 10 boar heads for a few copper or waiting for someone to come and kill them. Maybe all the villains get together for a strip poker night, which Lady Vashj probably loses on purpose cause she's evil like that.

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Huh. We should make a movie about that.

You'd think it's silly, but that's how Toy Story was fucking made.

"Hey, what do you think toys do when nobody's around?"

Dang, my servers are up but looks like mass hamster suicide at Blizzard.

Muhahahahha... 10x God, i needed some schadenfreude right about now.

got all my argent dailies done before shutdown, i'm happy ;-)

Decided to get some lawn work done...

Mower runs out of gas just as the last big section is cut. Gas can is also empty

So I decide to do some trimming instead.

Trimmer string feed jams.

I got just enough done to be able to quit without worrying about a job left unfinished... barely. rly:

Does not matter to me, I am at work.

ScytheRexx said:

Does not matter to me, I am at work.

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^
:uhhuh:

Harumph... 2 more hours of maintenance added.

Elune still down? I'm almost on my way home and it won't be pretty if they're not up by then.

ScytheRexx said:

Does not matter to me,

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I don't play. realized around L72 that I was going to be bored alone, or bored with a bunch of tightassed nerds devoted to mocking others who lacked the virtual world's latest "cool" gear. It stopped being casual fun ages ago.

my god, THIS was my hundredth post? I'm going to go get a lobotomy now.

Crone said:

my god, THIS was my hundredth post? I'm going to go get a lobotomy now.

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You can use my lab.

I always hated calling in sick on a Tuesday. In the back of your head you go yay! I can eat a lay up torpedo (burrito) and go do mining and dailies. Then you go log in and the servers are down till 4pm...

Shegokigo said:

You can use my lab.

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you don't have a lab. I've seen pics.

Warhammer Online is fun.

GasBandit said:

Warhammer Online is fun.

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whats the community there like?

Crone said:

you don't have a lab. I've seen pics.

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I've upgraded since.

Crone said:

my god, THIS was my hundredth post? I'm going to go get a lobotomy now.

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Evidence suggests that will only increase your post rate and bring them into closer alignment with forum norms.

it's too late.

When the family gets back tomorrow I'll either be rescued or have to be put down.

Crone said:

whats the community there like?

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Half are whiny quasi-adolescent nimrods who are outraged they can't push one button and win consistently, 40% are just as incompetent but at least are much quieter about it, and then there's the 10% of us who are slavering wolves at a fully stocked buffet of lambs-to-the-slaughter.

Last night, I took four people from my guild (Yeah, I'm a guildmaster now. Yeah, I'm amazed too. The only rule to join is "you will shut up and do what I say, end of conversation" and we have over 50 members. I guess success attracts.) out and conquered the entirety of tier 2 Ulthuan and half of tier 2 Empire. At times we were up against as many as 30 or 40 enemy players. It was glorious. Only stopped because I had to go to bed because I had to work in the morning.

so, 90% ass.

think I'll give that a pass.

haha

Crone said:

so, 90% ass.

think I'll give that a pass.

haha

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Same as any online game. The difference here is you get to kill the people who suck.

You can kill your own faction in Warhammer?

Shegokigo said:

You can kill your own faction in Warhammer?

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I can. I run two accounts and play on both sides of the same server.

And WoW is stuck on Authenticating. Same as in June.

escushion said:

And WoW is stuck on Authenticating. Same as in June.

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Not having any problems with that here.

GasBandit said:

I can. I run two accounts and play on both sides of the same server.

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So then it's basically like WoW on a PVP server. Gotcha.

Shegokigo said:

So then it's basically like WoW on a PVP server. Gotcha.

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Except with WoW it's only one account a month and it's not violating the terms of service (unless they changed the Warhammer rules, I remember it specifically saying you could not have two accounts on the same RVR server for opposing factions.)

They did change the rules, you can now have both.

WoW Losers!

Shegokigo said:

So then it's basically like WoW on a PVP server. Gotcha.

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Oh no, it's way better. PvP on WoW is a distraction. A joke. RvR is not only a completely valid levelling method, it's also the fast track to the best gear, the gateway to endgame content, and frankly, it's 10 times more fun than anything else in WoW or WAR.

When you raid the enemy capital in Warhammer, it stays burning and crumbled for 17 hours. Sucks to be you, losers.

Oh? Currently PvP has become a valid leveling method in the last patch in WoW, it also has the best weapons currently in game, and what kind of endgame content are you talking? PVE? So you have to PVP to get to the end game PVE content? Interesting take on it, though WotLK in WoW introduced a PVP zone that if your faction wins that area, a raid PVE zone opens up that only your faction can enter until next contest. Sounds pretty RvR to me.... Also in Cataclysm xpac, there will be even more of these types of zones with entire cities encluded too.

Shegokigo said:

Oh? Currently PvP has become a valid leveling method in the last patch in WoW, it also has the best weapons currently in game, and what kind of endgame content are you talking? PVE? So you have to PVP to get to the end game PVE content? Interesting take on it, though WotLK in WoW introduced a PVP zone that if your faction wins that area, a raid PVE zone opens up that only your faction can enter until next contest. Sounds pretty RvR to me.... Also in Cataclysm xpac, there will be even more of these types of zones with entire cities encluded too.

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Too little, too late.

Yes, you do have to RvR to get to the endgame PvE, in two ways - The Zandri Necropolis (tomb kings uberdungeon) is only ever open to entry to one side or the other, though players from both sides can be in it in and fight (the losers just can't get back in if their side doesn't hold control). Control of the Land of the Dead is gained by Tier 4 RvR.

More importantly, the final boss battles are Tcharzanek, champion of Tzeentch and Emperor Karl Franz, and both reside in fortified palaces in capital cities that require RvR (both open world and scenario instanced, simultaneously, and the open world usually requires control of both tier 3 and tier 4) to make vulnerable, enter, gain control of, and burn to the ground. Actually, I thought it a bit of a let down that the final, final encounter was pure PvE after allllll that RvR needed to get to it.

When warcraft lets you physically take over open world enemy hubs (and I don't just mean expansion areas) in such a way that the guards become YOUR faction's guards, and control of open world objectives in this manner denies enemy players access to that level bracket's dungeon content.. then maybe I'll slightly be interested in it again. But I doubt it.

It does, that's exactly what Lake Wintergrasp currently does and it's going to be a larger part of the expansion style where an entire major city will be controlled by one faction or another. My point is simply that WoW is learning from WAR and soon WoW will have everything WAR has to offer on the PVP side while still maintaining a hugely engrossing PVE side.

eh, WoW seems to want to try to do what war does, but fails. I stopped playing war, but I can see what they are trying to do wow side. PvP is really jsut much much more engrossing war-side. The game is simply built that way. WoW is not.

This is not a fault on either, nor sayign one is better than the other. Just they are different beasts.

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Edit: as for levelign in wow pvp..she is right. now you can. my main is 80 now from AFKing in av, and I am doing the same on my laptop during work here for a friends toon now. They really gotta fix this. So damned exploitable

Shegokigo said:

It does, that's exactly what Lake Wintergrasp currently does and it's going to be a larger part of the expansion style where an entire major city will be controlled by one faction or another. My point is simply that WoW is learning from WAR and soon WoW will have everything WAR has to offer on the PVP side while still maintaining a hugely engrossing PVE side.

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Except that's, as I said, expansion content. What I was trying to get across was that, in Warhammer, if you don't RvR (and win), you don't get access to any of the good PvE stuff. All but two of the major instanced dungeons from level 18 and up are accessed through the capital cities, and if your enemy comes into your capital city, burns it to the ground, kills your king and farms you for gear.... you. don't. get. to. go. If you don't protect your capital city, you don't get any of the good dungeons, you don't get guildhall access, you don't get nothin. Imagine what it would mean to the WoW alliance if, say, Ironforge was the only "alliance city," and if it got sacked and the king killed, all of its amenities and functions simply went away and every dungeon from The Deadmines on up CLOSED to Alliance. It forces you to have a vested interest in RvR. This is meaningful PvP that affects the gaming experience of everybody on the server (whether they want it to or not), not just the optional sideshow tomfoolery WoW perpetrated.

Not only that, but the high level PvE gear also requires you to have extremely high renown rank (RvR exp) as well. We're not talking "pvp set gear" here, we're talking the endgame PvE raided gear. If you don't RvR, you don't get to wear it.




This is not to say WAR is perfect. I can't believe Mythic failed to learn from their previous game, where a crucial design decision (3 fighting factions instead of 2) lent a huge self-balancing paradigm to their game. Now that they only have 2 factions, they are facing a lot of problems with imbalances. This is one of the reasons I have 2 accounts - the fun is always on the losing side. Their scenarios pop faster, and you can always find a zergling swarm of enemies to slaughter, and you can pick a fight any time. When you're on the winning side, it gets kinda boring.

Meh. Another round of trolling. The multiple millions more WoW subscriptions says WAR isn't going to matter for very long.

DarkAudit said:

Meh. Another round of trolling. The multiple millions more WoW subscriptions says WAR isn't going to matter for very long.

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Not necessessarily. I mean, smaller number of servers for condensed populations
can last a surprisingly long time.

If you lose your gear in PvP-RvR or whatever it is called, The gear better not matter much. I could not see me losing the all the gear that I've picked up over the last few months of raiding to a bunch of yahoo's catching me alone somewhere. Or hell just rolling the wrong faction and getting steamrolled. I guess I'll always be a Care-Bear player at heart.

If you are talking about WAR you don't lose your gear unless something drastic has changed. Killing players causes their corpse to have a loot list like if you were to loot from a mob.

More often than actual loot, these days, most players drop "medallions" that are used to purchase RvR Loot from merchants. It's a pretty good system. Had some problems when it started, but now it's pretty good. The occasional piece of gear still drops though.

Like WoW's badge system.

servers down atm? cant log in

I was just on. Workin fine for me.

Looks like they went down right after I logged out, cause they're down now.

I've been on all night with no issues.

http://www.wow.com/2009/08/27/multiple-realms-offline-tonight/

Also, sorry, I'm contractually obligated to move this into the gaming ghetto.

Tried WAR for a month; thought the PvP was freakin' awesome due to the tangible, open-world consequences that they built into the game; WoW simply does not compare. Even with leveling enabled in WoW, you still can't get the best gear without having to take part in scheduled, competition-style PvP matches with arbitrary or non-consequential ending points. That's changing, and PvP is not why I love WoW anyways, but WAR is just better at it hands down.

The problem with WAR is that I really don't care about Warhammer fantasy lore. It feels very, very derivative, even compared to WoW. You don't necessarily need a dynamite story to make a good game (not at all in many cases, in fact), but I feel like SF/Fantasy games need at least a token effort at universe creation, and WAR/Warhammer just doesn't give me that feeling, and its hard to play that long without it (for me).

A 40K MMO, OTOH, I might pay just to be in the beta. I want to be an Ultramarine Librarian, desperately fighting off wave after wave of genestealers as your own infected population turns against you. I want to be a World Eater Berzerker mowing down entire companies of Imperial Guard units with my bare effin' hands (and my trusty chain-axe). Be a Dark Eldar, and put an entire world to the sword just so you can toke up on the remains.

I kind of doubt that they would let us play Necrons, just because an individual Necron is a tad overpowered, and they would need to super-nerf them to keep it balanced, but still...

I agree, I think WAR failed in the fact that it went the fantasy route instead of 40k. Had it gone 40k I think it would have been a MUCH larger success.

I would have been first in line to join the Space Marines.

40K is infinitely as interesting as plain old sword and sorcery Warhammer.

Shegokigo said:

I agree, I think WAR failed in the fact that it went the fantasy route instead of 40k. Had it gone 40k I think it would have been a MUCH larger success.

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I do wonder what the decision process was like for that one. I can understand a desire to re-take the fantasy gaming crown from the guys who cribbed their style, and the general desire to beat number one, but you'd think someone at EA, Mythic, or Games Workshop would have realized that when they went to market they would only have two things in their favor: PvP and brand recognition for a particular nich of male gamers in their late twenties or older who were all probably playing WoW already.

If they had gone with 40K, then the only thing they would be competing with WoW on is time, and their much stronger brand could well have pushed them into the 2+ million zone.

TeKeo said:

I do wonder what the decision process was like for that one. I can understand a desire to re-take the fantasy gaming crown from the guys who cribbed their style, and the general desire to beat number one, but you'd think someone at EA, Mythic, or Games Workshop would have realized that when they went to market they would only have two things in their favor: PvP and brand recognition for a particular nich of male gamers in their late twenties or older who were all probably playing WoW already.

If they had gone with 40K, then the only thing they would be competing with WoW on is time, and their much stronger brand could well have pushed them into the 2+ million zone.

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Possibly because of this:



However, I would lurve to see this game done. It would have more factions, but still... Gods how I yearn to spill blood in the name of the Emperor ~_~

Someone is working on a 40k mmo. I forget who, though.

I thought it was THQ, same as the Dawn of War games.