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Stay Class Helen Thomas.

#1

Espy

Espy

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ck-to-germany-poland/?fbid=rkzWuXZAQJ7&hpt=T2

Good lord. I cannot believe she is still employed right now. That video is vile.

From CNN:
Lanny Davis joined Ari Fleischer Sunday in calling for Hearst Corporation to take quick action against legendary White House correspondent Helen Thomas for recently saying that Israel should “get the hell out of Palestine,” and that the Jewish people should go home to “Poland, Germany … and America and everywhere else.”

Thomas was also dropped by her agent Nine Speakers, Inc. Sunday, CNN has learned, and Craig Crawford, who coauthored “Listen Up, Mr. President” with Thomas, said in a blog post that he “will no longer be working with Helen on our book projects.”

Thomas has apologized for her comments that she made to Rabbilive.com about Israel.

Specifically, she was asked, “Any comments on Israel?”

“Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine,” she responded.

The interviewer then asked “Any better comments on Israel?” To which Thomas said, “Remember, these people are occupied and it’s their land. It’s not German’s. It’s not Poland’s.”

Thomas was then asked where the Jews in Israel should go and what they should do? Thomas responded, “They should go home” which the White House reporter identified as “Poland, Germany . . . and America and everywhere else.”

Previously Fleischer, who served as press secretary for former President George W. Bush, said Thomas should be fired because of her remarks. And in a statement provided to CNN Sunday he reiterated that demand.

“Helen's statement calling for the religious cleansing of Israel is reprehensible,” Fleischer said. “If this isn't bigotry, what is? What she said is as bad as someone saying all blacks should leave America and go back to Africa.

“Hearst Newspapers should do the right thing and let Helen go,” Fleischer added in the statement.

Update, 8:33 p.m.: The Anti-Defamation League has provided CNN with a written statement regarding Thomas' remark and apology. "Helen Thomas’s statement of regret does not go far enough. Her remarks were outrageous, offensive and inappropriate," ADL national director Abraham H. Foxman said in the statement. Foxman added, "Her suggestion that Israelis should go back to Poland and Germany is bigoted and shows a profound ignorance of history. We believe Thomas needs to make a more forceful and sincere apology for the pain her remarks have caused."
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#2



Element 117

shes old enough that this could be her long slide into senility


#3

Espy

Espy

She's old enough that she should know her history a little better.


#4



Element 117

Espy said:
She's old enough that she should know her history a little better.
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well thats the thing about senility...


#5

Espy

Espy

Touché


#6



Element 117

i mean, ok, if shes healthy then yeah, i agree but this seems like the kind of crazy out of character thing that senility might cause. Time will tell.


#7

Dave

Dave

She's a fucking legend in the press corps. Now? This will be what she's remembered for - a dumbass statement.

I do agree with the start of her statement about getting out of Palestinian Territories...and by that I don't mean the entire region but the Gaza Strip. But I think she means the entire damned region including giving up the state of Israel, which is just a ludicrous statement.


#8

Calleja

Calleja

Sound like old people bigotry to me. Except it's not just embarrassing to her family during Thanksgiving.


#9

Dave

Dave

CNN reports:

Veteran White House correspondent Helen Thomas retires after controversial remarks about Jews, her agency says.
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#10

Espy

Espy

Dave said:
CNN reports:

Veteran White House correspondent Helen Thomas retires after controversial remarks about Jews, her agency says.
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WOW. Good for her.


#11

Frank

Frankie Williamson

At, what 90? She's too young for retirement, too young I say.


#12

Dave

Dave

Seriously. What's she going to do with all her free time now? Drool into a cup and moan her constant incontinence?


#13

Calleja

Calleja

She's gonna start and admin a forum community


#14

Troll

Troll

Dave said:
Seriously. What's she going to do with all her free time now? Drool into a cup and moan her constant incontinence?
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Or, as Dave calls it, "Saturday night."


#15

Krisken

Krisken

I think I'm staying out of this one. I get the feeling my thoughts on Israel won't be very popular. All I'll say is the creation of Israel was one of the biggest blunders of the 21st century.


#16

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

She is one old, angry, Lesbian...

Her dad came form Tripoli, Lebanon after all...


#17

Dave

Dave

Troll;396071][QUOTE=Dave said:
Seriously. What's she going to do with all her free time now? Drool into a cup and moan her constant incontinence?
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Or, as Dave calls it, "Saturday night."[/QUOTE]

Friday night. On Saturdays I sit on the lawn with a shotgun and terrorize the neighbor kids.

Sundays I call random numbers in the phone book and ask them if they have seen my teeth.


#18

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

More Devil's Advocate...

I am shocked, that a reporter says something against Israel and loses a job in the print media.


#19

Krisken

Krisken

Dave said:
On Saturdays I sit on the lawn with a shotgun and terrorize the neighbor kids.

Sundays I call random numbers in the phone book and ask them if they have seen my teeth.
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That was you?


#20

Denbrought

Denbrought

Krisken said:
I think I'm staying out of this one. I get the feeling my thoughts on Israel won't be very popular. All I'll say is the creation of Israel was one of the biggest blunders of the 21st century.
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I adhere to this.


#21

Null

Null

Yeah, sounds like a senile kind of thing. Poor old woman.


#22

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Calleja said:
Sound like old people bigotry to me. Except it's not just embarrassing to her family during Thanksgiving.
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Yeah, it reminds me of my grandparents in certain moods.


#23

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

What a disappointing end to an incredible career. I guess she really did have an "old person" moment, because it seems so at odds with the careful, considered questions she's known for.

Good on her for resigning, though.


#24

Necronic

Necronic

Krisken said:
I think I'm staying out of this one. I get the feeling my thoughts on Israel won't be very popular. All I'll say is the creation of Israel was one of the biggest blunders of the 21st century.
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Wait...what century?

But yeah, it was a bad idea. I don't think it was any worse than every other thing the powers that be did to the middle east over the last 200 years, but it was one in a number of very bad choices. "Hey let's just draw borders on this map and not pay attention to racial or religious differences. They may not like it, but what's the worst that can happen?" Great job Europe. Africa and the Middle East thanks you.


#25

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Necronic;396521][QUOTE=Krisken said:
I think I'm staying out of this one. I get the feeling my thoughts on Israel won't be very popular. All I'll say is the creation of Israel was one of the biggest blunders of the 21st century.
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Wait...what century?[/QUOTE]

Nice catch.


#26

Krisken

Krisken

My bad. 20th Century.


#27



crono1224

Clearly the entire situation would be fixed by transposing people, that worked in the first place.


#28

Calleja

Calleja

Even if it WAS a blunder, saying that they should leave NOW is incredibly unsympathetic... Most Jews in Israel where now BORN there. Doesn't matter the circumstances that brought their families there, they were born and raised there. It's their home, it's their country.

Like someone was quoted saying.. it's akin to saying black people should leave America NOW because their forefathers were brought from Africa. They don't give a shit, they're American, this is their home, this is where they belong.


#29



Element 117

sixpackshaker said:
She is one old, angry, Lesbian...

Her dad came form Tripoli, Lebanon after all...
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palm.face

Also, there is totally legal precedence for taking someone's land away from them and fencing them into [STRIKE]prisons [/STRIKE]settlements. Especially if a god says so.


#30



crono1224

Calleja said:
Even if it WAS a blunder, saying that they should leave NOW is incredibly unsympathetic... Most Jews in Israel where now BORN there. Doesn't matter the circumstances that brought their families there, they were born and raised there. It's their home, it's their country.

Like someone was quoted saying.. it's akin to saying black people should leave America NOW because their forefathers were brought from Africa. They don't give a shit, they're American, this is their home, this is where they belong.
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I get what you are saying bout the it's their home now. But I gotta say the black people thing doesn't really jive if anythings its more messed up because our forefathers brought them over here against their will. The people over there weren't moved in because the Palestine people wanted them there. (Although neither scenario is good).


#31

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

crono1224;396575][QUOTE=Calleja said:
Even if it WAS a blunder, saying that they should leave NOW is incredibly unsympathetic... Most Jews in Israel where now BORN there. Doesn't matter the circumstances that brought their families there, they were born and raised there. It's their home, it's their country.

Like someone was quoted saying.. it's akin to saying black people should leave America NOW because their forefathers were brought from Africa. They don't give a shit, they're American, this is their home, this is where they belong.
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I get what you are saying bout the it's their home now. But I gotta say the black people thing doesn't really jive if anythings its more messed up because our forefathers brought them over here against their will. The people over there weren't moved in because the Palestine people wanted them there. (Although neither scenario is good).[/QUOTE]

No, they were moved there because other countries said, "Good, now we have a place to put our Jews." Much of it was not their free will either.


#32

Calleja

Calleja

THEIR ANCESTORS

I mean, I know there's probably still old people around who were there for the whole thing and remember being moved there.. but the majority are now the younger generation that were BORN THERE, to them telling them they need to leave is akin to someone telling you to leave because your dad was Irish or whatever.


#33



crono1224

escushion;396578][QUOTE=crono1224;396575][QUOTE=Calleja said:
Even if it WAS a blunder, saying that they should leave NOW is incredibly unsympathetic... Most Jews in Israel where now BORN there. Doesn't matter the circumstances that brought their families there, they were born and raised there. It's their home, it's their country.

Like someone was quoted saying.. it's akin to saying black people should leave America NOW because their forefathers were brought from Africa. They don't give a shit, they're American, this is their home, this is where they belong.
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I get what you are saying bout the it's their home now. But I gotta say the black people thing doesn't really jive if anythings its more messed up because our forefathers brought them over here against their will. The people over there weren't moved in because the Palestine people wanted them there. (Although neither scenario is good).[/QUOTE]

No, they were moved there because other countries said, "Good, now we have a place to put our Jews." Much of it was not their free will either.[/QUOTE]

Ya but it still different than the case of America where blacks were brought over to do work for them.
*Edit: Also I think we have even less of a reason to bitch because they were forcefully brought over because people here wanted them.


#34

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

crono1224;396589][QUOTE=escushion;396578][QUOTE=crono1224;396575][QUOTE=Calleja said:
Even if it WAS a blunder, saying that they should leave NOW is incredibly unsympathetic... Most Jews in Israel where now BORN there. Doesn't matter the circumstances that brought their families there, they were born and raised there. It's their home, it's their country.

Like someone was quoted saying.. it's akin to saying black people should leave America NOW because their forefathers were brought from Africa. They don't give a shit, they're American, this is their home, this is where they belong.
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I get what you are saying bout the it's their home now. But I gotta say the black people thing doesn't really jive if anythings its more messed up because our forefathers brought them over here against their will. The people over there weren't moved in because the Palestine people wanted them there. (Although neither scenario is good).[/QUOTE]

No, they were moved there because other countries said, "Good, now we have a place to put our Jews." Much of it was not their free will either.[/QUOTE]

Ya but it still different than the case of America where blacks were brought over to do work for them.[/QUOTE]

It's still a workable analogy.


#35

Calleja

Calleja

It really is. Maybe with a bit longer of a timeline, but that still doesn't matter... if you were born and raised somewhere it's your home, it doesn't matter if your family has been there for 42 generations or you're the first.


#36

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

She was just about 30 when the Jews started the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. So by her perspective, it is not too late to leave.

Since her family is Lebanese Christian, they know how it feels to be driven out of your home because of your faith.


#37

Calleja

Calleja

That's why I said her perspective was unsympathetic... no empathy whatsofuckingever.


#38



crono1224

escushion;396592][QUOTE=crono1224;396589][QUOTE=escushion;396578][QUOTE=crono1224;396575][QUOTE=Calleja said:
Even if it WAS a blunder, saying that they should leave NOW is incredibly unsympathetic... Most Jews in Israel where now BORN there. Doesn't matter the circumstances that brought their families there, they were born and raised there. It's their home, it's their country.

Like someone was quoted saying.. it's akin to saying black people should leave America NOW because their forefathers were brought from Africa. They don't give a shit, they're American, this is their home, this is where they belong.
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I get what you are saying bout the it's their home now. But I gotta say the black people thing doesn't really jive if anythings its more messed up because our forefathers brought them over here against their will. The people over there weren't moved in because the Palestine people wanted them there. (Although neither scenario is good).[/QUOTE]

No, they were moved there because other countries said, "Good, now we have a place to put our Jews." Much of it was not their free will either.[/QUOTE]

Ya but it still different than the case of America where blacks were brought over to do work for them.[/QUOTE]

It's still a workable analogy.[/QUOTE]

Iit really isn't because for here it feels more like a case of buyers remorse where now because they can't be forced to work they want them out of the country.


#39

Calleja

Calleja

....wow


#40



crono1224

What a clever and well thought out retort to the fact that the analogy fails. Sorry that i don't agree with the analogy that greatly simplifies two sets of peoples plight.


#41

Troll

Troll

That's right! Any small imperfection in an analogy, no matter how inane or unimportant, negates the entire thing! I remember now. :rolleyes:

Telling Jews to leave would be like Native Americans telling everyone else to leave. Yes, there is an original crime/mistake/whatever, but now it's just too impractical to try and reset the clock.


#42



crono1224

Troll said:
That's right! Any small imperfection in an analogy, no matter how inane or unimportant, negates the entire thing! I remember now. :rolleyes:

Telling Jews to leave would be like Native Americans telling everyone else to leave. Yes, there is an original crime/mistake/whatever, but now it's just too impractical to try and reset the clock.
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It's not small its a huge simplification of the two different scenarios so I am sorry that the analogy is false and useless for the situation, but you go ahead and pretend that I am negating it because of a small reason.

The reason by the way is that Africans WERE forced over here to work, We wanted them here to work for us. Did the Palestine people want the Israels to move into their region? No, well I guess that negates the whole damn thing because the entire reason for both people being in the situation is different.

In addition did Palestine people ever want the Israel people there? No well there is a second reason. One has never wanted the people there, ours is more of a buyers remorse after they started getting rights and couldn't be used for what they were brought here for.

Third Israel is a country, is there a black country here? Maybe a state? or perhaps a county? no?


#43



Chazwozel

Krisken said:
I think I'm staying out of this one. I get the feeling my thoughts on Israel won't be very popular. All I'll say is the creation of Israel was one of the biggest blunders of the 21st century.
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I agree and I'll stay out as well.


#44



Chazwozel

sixpackshaker said:
More Devil's Advocate...

I am shocked, that a reporter says something against Israel and loses a job in the print media.
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*Gasp* I know! It's like...like you can get away with saying something bad about every single country and religion on the planet, except for Israel and the Jews!

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Necronic;396521][QUOTE=Krisken said:
I think I'm staying out of this one. I get the feeling my thoughts on Israel won't be very popular. All I'll say is the creation of Israel was one of the biggest blunders of the 21st century.
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Wait...what century?

But yeah, it was a bad idea. I don't think it was any worse than every other thing the powers that be did to the middle east over the last 200 years, but it was one in a number of very bad choices. "Hey let's just draw borders on this map and not pay attention to racial or religious differences. They may not like it, but what's the worst that can happen?" Great job Europe. Africa and the Middle East thanks you.[/QUOTE]

Ah good ol' post colonialism. Don't forget now, Southeast Asia also thanks the French and British!


#45

Covar

Covar

Calleja said:
It really is. Maybe with a bit longer of a timeline, but that still doesn't matter... if you were born and raised somewhere it's your home, it doesn't matter if your family has been there for 42 generations or you're the first.
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Pretty much this.


#46

Seraphyn

Seraphyn

Ah Israel / Middle East. Those guys sure hold grudges for a long long time. The way both sides act ensures there will never be an end to the fighting.

On topic, sad end for her. This is probably what she'll be remembered for the most.


#47

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

crono1224 said:
What a clever and well thought out retort to the fact that the analogy fails. Sorry that i don't agree with the analogy that greatly simplifies two sets of peoples plight.
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Your disagreement does not equal the analogy failing.


#48

Frank

Frankie Williamson

escushion;396967][QUOTE=crono1224 said:
What a clever and well thought out retort to the fact that the analogy fails. Sorry that i don't agree with the analogy that greatly simplifies two sets of peoples plight.
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Your disagreement does not equal the analogy failing.[/QUOTE]

Especially when he simplifies the slave trade to buyer's fucking remorse.


#49

Calleja

Calleja

Yeah... that's when I decided to just.. stop talking with crono.


#50

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Not to mention, since when is the word "wow" a retort?


#51

Calleja

Calleja

it wasn't a retort, it was a genuine expression of surprise. And then I gave up.


#52

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Calleja said:
it wasn't a retort, it was a genuine expression of surprise. And then I gave up.
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But he called it a retort. I don't see how that makes sense.

Maybe "wow" means "fuck you" to some people.

Chaz could save himself some typing in some situations, if so.


#53

Calleja

Calleja

wow...



see what I did there? :biggrin:


#54

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Wow and your mother too.


#55

Calleja

Calleja

:angry:


#56

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Wow, sorry, I didn't mean to get so out of hand, Caligari. It was all in good fun.

Wow, what is wrong with me?


#57

Krisken

Krisken

Dammit Badbutt Mommmykisser! Be nice to Turbo!


#58

Cajungal

Cajungal

WOW, you guys.


#59

Calleja

Calleja

STOP CUSSING WITH EUPHEMISMS THAT AREN'T REALLY EUPHEMISMS FOR ANYTHING DAMMIT!!!


#60

Cajungal

Cajungal

:tear: Fernando's so mean to me.


#61

Krisken

Krisken

Cajungal said:
:tear: Fernando's so mean to me.
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Awww, it will be ok CG. Turbosquirt isn't being serious.


#62



crono1224

escushion;396967][QUOTE=crono1224 said:
What a clever and well thought out retort to the fact that the analogy fails. Sorry that i don't agree with the analogy that greatly simplifies two sets of peoples plight.
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Your disagreement does not equal the analogy failing.[/QUOTE]

I put forth reasons for why the analogy doesn't make sense.

Frank;396980][QUOTE=escushion;396967][QUOTE=crono1224 said:
What a clever and well thought out retort to the fact that the analogy fails. Sorry that i don't agree with the analogy that greatly simplifies two sets of peoples plight.
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Your disagreement does not equal the analogy failing.[/QUOTE]

Especially when he simplifies the slave trade to buyer's fucking remorse.[/QUOTE]

I hardly simplified the slave trade to buyers remorse i put forth one of the various differences between the two situations, you merely simplified my argument

escushion;396997][QUOTE=Calleja said:
it wasn't a retort, it was a genuine expression of surprise. And then I gave up.
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But he called it a retort. I don't see how that makes sense.

Maybe "wow" means "fuck you" to some people.

Chaz could save himself some typing in some situations, if so.[/QUOTE]

It's a condescending response rather than putting forth some effort and explaining what you are thinking.


#63

Calleja

Calleja

Turbo is such a cool nickname, I can't believe Dave is giving it to me.

Y'know what? FINE, I'll take it, I don't care if I'm slow as hell, I'm TURBO :biggrin:


#64

Baerdog

Baerdog

Not anymore, apparently.


#65

Krisken

Krisken

I would have gone with Turbosquirt myself, but I can live with Turbo Mex.


#66



Chazwozel

escushion;396997][QUOTE=Calleja said:
it wasn't a retort, it was a genuine expression of surprise. And then I gave up.
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But he called it a retort. I don't see how that makes sense.

Maybe "wow" means "fuck you" to some people.

Chaz could save himself some typing in some situations, if so.[/QUOTE]

wow


#67

Calleja

Calleja

wow and the horse you rode in on!!


#68

Null

Null

Wow.


#69

Dave

Dave

I am going to go home and play wow tonight. I hope my wife doesn't mind.


#70

Baerdog

Baerdog

Wow.


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