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Chibibar

heatherling said:
If you don't like HATE something so much, why keep watch over the thread and continue to tell us you hated it? WE KNOW.
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you know, until I met my mother in law, I NOW firmly believe there are people who actually enjoy being angry and hateful all the time. I am not saying Shannow is that person, but maybe he just enjoy expressing his hatred for a movie cause it makes him happy?
 
Chad Sexington

Chad Sexington

What? Shannow hardly comes across as vindictively hate-filled. And even so, who *doesn't* enjoy getting angry at something once in a while? It's a good release to direct your agitation at something that pushes your buttons. And furthermore, why can people not appreciate a good barb even if it's directed at something they like? I like some stupid shit, like the movie Resident Evil: Apocalypse movie, but I laughed pretty fuckin' hard at some of the quips delivered by critics (both professional and peers). You say those of us who disdain Sucker Punch take movies too seriously but you come across equally incapable of laughing at it.

And if you make a thread to talk about something, you don't get exclusive rights for it to only be about your point of view on it. We don't need heatherling's "I love Sucker Punch" thread and Shannow's "Sucker Punch is an abyss from which my soul will never return" thread. And conflict (relatively civil conflict) is infinitely more interesting than sitting around nodding in agreement. "I sure loved Sucker Punch." "Me too." "Yep." "Yeeeep." Excellent. I have gained more from the diverse tastes in the film, and I defend the presence of both camps, if only for my own amusement. Dance, monkeys.

Dance.
 
Krisken

Krisken

This is better than the Politics forum. I thought people were unreasonably lumped together in those threads, but man, media is where it is at.
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Anyone who likes Resident Evil: Apocalypse is a fucking idiot, that bleeds shit out of their ears.

Now you may see where that is not a constructive conversation to have on any forum.
 
Chad Sexington

Chad Sexington

Whoaaaaaaa I did not say anything about constructive, I said for my amusement.

And that shit-bleeding is a DISORDER, YOU DON'T NEED TO RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACKS.
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

It wasn't personal, it was just about anyone in general.

That is the issue these opinion about films, steaks, pop music boils down to... one poster likes something that is not universally awesome, then another poster comes back to make blanket statements calling the previous poster an idiot.
 
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Chibibar

Chad Sexington said:
What? Shannow hardly comes across as vindictively hate-filled. And even so, who *doesn't* enjoy getting angry at something once in a while? It's a good release to direct your agitation at something that pushes your buttons. And furthermore, why can people not appreciate a good barb even if it's directed at something they like? I like some stupid shit, like the movie Resident Evil: Apocalypse movie, but I laughed pretty fuckin' hard at some of the quips delivered by critics (both professional and peers). You say those of us who disdain Sucker Punch take movies too seriously but you come across equally incapable of laughing at it.

And if you make a thread to talk about something, you don't get exclusive rights for it to only be about your point of view on it. We don't need heatherling's "I love Sucker Punch" thread and Shannow's "Sucker Punch is an abyss from which my soul will never return" thread. And conflict (relatively civil conflict) is infinitely more interesting than sitting around nodding in agreement. "I sure loved Sucker Punch." "Me too." "Yep." "Yeeeep." Excellent. I have gained more from the diverse tastes in the film, and I defend the presence of both camps, if only for my own amusement. Dance, monkeys.

Dance.
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I am all for a good discussion of the movie :) good and bad. I am not flaming Shannow for his hatred for Sucker Punch. Like I said, this is not a movie that everyone can enjoy. I went to see it without reading a thing about it, then my wife told me about what the director said and hope to "convey" and I saw it again and see where it could lead that way.

Is it going to make the "top movie" of the year? probably not. It is a thinking film, if you want to see where it is coming from. If you just watch it as an action sequence flick, then probably not since it is "disjointed" with three different world mash together.

The basic of the movie is this. It is about a girl escaping from a mental institution that she doesn't belong there. That is pretty much it. Sure it can go with the classic girl "seduce" her way out, or try to make it drama like (might make it R rated instead) but the director went with action and different layer of "perception of reality" to tell the boring initial story
 
Frank

Frank

sixpackshaker said:
It wasn't personal, it was just about anyone in general.

That is the issue these opinion about films, steaks, pop music boils down to... one poster likes something that is not universally awesome, then another poster comes back to make blanket statements calling the previous poster an idiot.
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That really didn't happen here, it was implied, but no one outright did it.
 
linglingface

linglingface

I've said before that I have no problem with people disliking the movie. I don't have some kind of crazy personal attachment to it, I just enjoyed it. There's plenty of things I hate, but I'm not going to make people feel like they're stupid for liking those things.

What do I hate is Person A says they like something. Person B comes along to say they hate it. Person C says they like it. Person B comes back repeatedly to state again that they hated it and Persons A and C's opinions are basically shit upon.
State your opinion, but don't berate others because their opinions are different from yours. That's all. I'm just seeing a lot of people practically being "bullied" for liking the film. I don't mean here on the forums, but elsewhere... just annoyed.
 
Shannow

Shannow

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I did not insult anyone here deliberately. I could have, oh lord, I could have, but I did not. But, as Chad said, if you make a thread on a movie, and sit there and gush and gush again and again about it, I can just as much say I dislike it. it is really that simple.

Becasue, Christ, it was a bad fucking movie. Just...terrible all around.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

I'm going to name one day a year to be shannow day, and on this day, we shall screen sucker punch, and discuss the artistic merit of it's fine cinema.
 
Shannow

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Nop, he does not.

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEE!!!!

Edit..you couldnt see it, but I now have on my Metal Dr doom mask and I was shaking my fist at my computer.

...I think I am about to be fired.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I have no problem with people feeling like this:

Calleja said:
I freaking loved Sucker Punch and actually not only agree with heatherling that it had an "inception-y" vibe going on (I think there's actually 3 levels, not just 2) I literally said it out loud to Morphine at the theater. She loved it too, by the way.

You people take your movies (and what people think of them) WAY, WAY, WAAAYY too fucking seriously. It's a movie with nazi zombie robot soldiers and giant mechanical samurai being fought by pretty girls in revealing clothing.
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Then there's:

If you go in expecting more than that, you're the moron, not Snyder.
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Which I agree with.

But then...

I think there's a pretty solid message of solace for victims there.
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At which point, yeah, you're

DUMB BLOOP BLEEP
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I'm sure this is a real pick-me-up for victims of everything everywhere.
 
linglingface

linglingface

I especially like reading about the training they went through. Also, this talks a little about the director's cut dvd at the end.
LOS ANGELES — Depending on who you talk to, Sucker Punch is:
a) An empowering feminist manifesto that subverts its fanboy fantasy framing.
b) Exploitative trash that doesn’t have a brain in its pretty tiny head as it teeters around CG explosions in hooker heels.
c) Both. But seriously, dude, don’t overthink it.
Whichever you choose, there’s no doubt the movie, now in theatres, proved a walk — or strut — on the weird side for its wild girls.
“I had no idea what to expect,” says Jena Malone of the training she underwent to play mouthy, munitions-prone Rocket. “I’d never stepped in a gym before in my entire life.”
How quickly things change when you sign on for a women-in-prison flick for the God of War crowd.
“I was nervous,” Malone remembers. “I didn’t even know what to wear (to work out), really. I walked out crying. I thought, ‘Oh my God, I don’t think I can do this at all.’ Then three weeks in, I started to gain 10 pounds of muscle and was completely addicted.”
Indeed, after training with the same folks who hammered the Spartans of 300 into fighting form, Malone and her fellow vixens were promptly throwing punches, swinging swords and wielding machine guns.
“It was rigorous but completely exciting,” Malone says. “You’re blind from sweating so much.”
Even Hudgens, who has a dance background, was left, as the movie’s tagline declares, unprepared.
“The second morning I woke up in Vancouver after working out, I was almost unable to walk, I was so sore. I’ve never experienced that kind of pain physically before in my life. But I showed up (on set) and the girls were there and they kept me going.”
Directed by mayhem maestro Zack Snyder, Sucker Punch stars Emily Browning as Babydoll, a psychiatric patient in a 1960s institution who, in order to escape a lobotomy, retreats into a fantasy realm where she battles zombies, dragons, monsters and robots. She’s joined by four other stripper ninjas: Blondie (Vanessa Hudgens), Sweet Pea (Abbie Cornish), Amber (Jamie Chung) and Rocket (Malone).
“Abbie and Emily and I did a month (of training) in L.A., a month in Vancouver and then (Hudgens and Chung) came in to join us for the third month,” Malone says. “So they did six months total and we did eight months total.”
Which isn’t to suggest the cast performed the stunts themselves.
“It’s strange a lot of actors are like ‘I do my own stunts.’ It takes years and years to train your body to do some of these stunts,” Malone says. “For me to walk in with some sort of presumption that in three months I’ll be able to learn what it’s taken someone a lifetime to master is just completely ridiculous. But they give you physical strength to endure shooting these sequences for 16-hour days, but it gives you a physical embodiment of the character. It’s not just generic action.”
However Sucker Punch is ultimately received, its characters are likely to be remembered alongside other famously fierce film femmes.
Which ones do they admire most? “Angelina Jolie, Sigourney Weaver, Uma Thurman in Kill Bill,” Hudgens says. “They were really strong women.”
“Sarah Polley in Dawn of the Dead,” Malone says, referring to Snyder’s 2004 remake. “I remember seeing that and thinking, ‘That is someone I’ve never seen; that is awesome.’ She’s this nurse who’s really tired and then totally kicks ass and makes the right decisions in the right moments.”
DVD to feature sexy scrapped scenes
Emily Browning’s sex scene with Jon Hamm isn’t the only sequence that got the hook in Sucker Punch.
So did the dance numbers its courtesans originally performed.
“We all worked really hard on these dances we had to do,” says Jena Malone. “They were very fulfilling and it was beautiful to step out of this very male-driven gym.”
What were the sequences like?
Malone describes her’s as a “sci-fi nurse zombie pole dance. I started up inside of a giant syringe and worked my way down the needle and then did a little jig.”
Jamie Chung, who plays mechanically inclined Amber, says she was “a bedazzled French maid.” And Vanessa Hudgens describes hers as “a belly dance. I got to dance with a knife. It was a spectacular Moroccan set.”
Still, while they’re disappointed the scenes didn’t make it to the big screen, audiences will eventually get to see them. “They will,” says Malone, “(on) the director’s cut (of the DVD).”
Presumably the same will be true of Browning’s love scene with Hamm, which was axed to secure a PG-13 rating in the U.S.
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Jiarn

-reads first page of thread, realizes it got ridiculous, skips the rest-

The movie was everything I wanted it to be, and much much more. My GF and I went in with no knowledge of the film, other than some quick teaser trailers and screenshots. We came in expecting a visual orgy ala Expendables with no substance. We were so very wrong. There was charm, story, character, pain, happiness, fear, excitement, tension, and a fantastic ending. That's just the non action scenes. The actual "dream" scenes? Pure glee. This is a movie I'm going to watch again and again. We thought it was fantastic.

As usual, critics are ridiculously out of touch with what the film was supposed to be. What a shock. I love how they tell people not to shut off their brains during movies, but it's during movies like this they seem to turn off theirs. It was a fun, touching and yes a fan serviced film. It was well done, well told, well shot and got it's point across beautifully. I look forward to my next viewing, which will be soon.

Anyone who can't watch Steam-Powered Clockwork Zombie Nazis and think "That's pure ecstasy!" They're dead inside, in every way possible. No amoutn of Steam-Powered Clockworks could bring them back.
 
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Jiarn

I like how just because I enjoy the typical "bad" movie = I have no sense of good film.

I like bad movies for being bad cinema. I like good movies for being good cinema. I can tell the difference.
 
bhamv3

bhamv3

You know how sometimes you watch a movie, and feel like you've seen it before? Not literally, but the movie is going through all the tropes and cliches you've come to expect from the genre, and the only difference is the names of the characters and maybe the setting? Sort of like a "half deja-vu"?

Yeah, I'm getting a huge "half deja-vu" here. This thread is so similar to the Transformers 2 thread, even down to the indignant Asian person saying, "criticize the movie if you want, but stop hating on the people who liked it."
 
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