The new one? How would you compare it to the original? The best review I read said that it was "a film with no patience", it throws Freddy at you over and over and over and builds no dread or fear at all. Which is about what I expected. What did you think?
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Wyrminarrd
I went to see "Iron Man 2" earlier today. The movie was good, the actors all delivered great performances but the storyline wasn't all that strong imo.
It's always great to see the steps being taken to bring the Avengers about, I can't wait for that movie to come out
It's always great to see the steps being taken to bring the Avengers about, I can't wait for that movie to come out
The Tooth Fairy
Yeah, the one with Dwayne Johnson. Rented it for free at work the other day.
Is it a good movie? Oh Lord no! But you know what? It got a lot more laughs out of me than I was expecting. It's a better movie than it has any right to be. Not that it's by any means a good movie or something I'd pay money to watch...or ever watch again...but I don't regret wasting a free rental out of my 10 a week for it.
Yeah, the one with Dwayne Johnson. Rented it for free at work the other day.
Is it a good movie? Oh Lord no! But you know what? It got a lot more laughs out of me than I was expecting. It's a better movie than it has any right to be. Not that it's by any means a good movie or something I'd pay money to watch...or ever watch again...but I don't regret wasting a free rental out of my 10 a week for it.
The new one? How would you compare it to the original? The best review I read said that it was "a film with no patience", it throws Freddy at you over and over and over and builds no dread or fear at all. Which is about what I expected. What did you think?[/QUOTE]
I like the original better. And this new one had way too many jump scares. And it did tend to have no patience, and there really isn't much time to let the kids breathe or be kids or anything. But there is some cool stuff going on in most of the dream sequences. I think the movie ramps up nicely and gets better as it goes along, with the last 1/3 or so being pretty good.
There's a couple dashes of questionable acting, but that's kind of par for the course. Jackie Earle Haley is amazing.
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Chazwozel
Renting Avatar today. We'll see...
The new one? How would you compare it to the original? The best review I read said that it was "a film with no patience", it throws Freddy at you over and over and over and builds no dread or fear at all. Which is about what I expected. What did you think?[/QUOTE]
I like the original better. And this new one had way too many jump scares. And it did tend to have no patience, and there really isn't much time to let the kids breathe or be kids or anything. But there is some cool stuff going on in most of the dream sequences. I think the movie ramps up nicely and gets better as it goes along, with the last 1/3 or so being pretty good.
There's a couple dashes of questionable acting, but that's kind of par for the course. Jackie Earle Haley is amazing.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. I think the biggest issue with it is the score. The music gives away the tension 95% of the time. There's almost no question if and when the kids are dreaming.
I'm wishing I hadn't promised a friend to see this with her next weekend. Goddamnit...
Michael Bay didn't have shit to do with the movie creatively. He wasn't even actively producing it at all!A Michael Bay movie with no patience? Say it ain't so!
It is inexcusable and hilariously bad that this scene in the remake with CGI looks worse in every way than the one that's nearly 30 years old.
North_Ranger
Staff member
The Quick and the Dead. Somewhat different of a western, but that didn't help the fact that all of the characters were blander than a plate of lukewarm oatmeal. But it was good to see a movie where Leonardo DiCaprio still looked like a young kid.
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Wyrminarrd
Daybreakers. This was an interesting movie and made me wonder whether or not I would chose to become a vampire or if I would go on the run. The movie was lighter on the horror/action then I expected but a good cast made up for it.
North_Ranger
Staff member
The Great Escape. Seen it about half a dozen times before, and I still love seeing it Plus, after a while I always find myself reminded that it's not just a movie about escape. Each character has their own plans for when they escape, their own reasons why they escape. There's no beating a classic.
Plus, after a while I always find myself reminded that it's not just a movie about escape. Each character has their own plans for when they escape, their own reasons why they escape. There's no beating a classic.
Cajungal
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It is inexcusable and hilariously bad that this scene in the remake with CGI looks worse in every way than the one that's nearly 30 years old.[/QUOTE]
Man that kind of makes me wanna see the new movie. And actually that is one of my favorite things about watching older movies--seeing what kind of effects they could do with less tech.
It is inexcusable and hilariously bad that this scene in the remake with CGI looks worse in every way than the one that's nearly 30 years old.[/QUOTE]
Man that kind of makes me wanna see the new movie. And actually that is one of my favorite things about watching older movies--seeing what kind of effects they could do with less tech.[/QUOTE]
That effect was cool in the theater. I think many filmmakers of that generation did better effects when they had to do them on a tight budget. The tight budgets seemed to FORCE them to come up with creative gags. As the series went along the the SPFX just seemed to get worse when the budgets went up.
I just watched a film from 1975 called A Boy and His Dog starring a very, very young Don Johnson. Now, I was put onto this flick by reading that it's one of the primary inspirations for the Fallout game series. I wasn't really prepared for what I got. What I got was probably the most misogynistic movie ever created. Seriously. I know it was apparently based off of a novella by Harlan Ellison so the misogyny should come of no surprise there but man, I was utterly flabbergasted by what I witnessed. 35 year old spoilers follow.
The movie opens with a short scrolling message about how World War 4 only lasted 5 days and blah, blah nuclear apocalypse etc. Then we hear a disembodied voice tell Don Johnson's character Vix that there's a female nearby and he runs up to a crater to see men running out of it. Apparently other men got to her before he did and they raped and pretty much left her for dead. Don Johnson goes down to check her out and finds her all cut up and dying. So, he just leaves and gets mad that they cut her, as she could have been used 2 or 3 more times.
Also, the disembodied voice is his psychic dog, Blood.
Yeah, the first half of the movie is about Don Johnson's quest to find a female to rape and abuse as he hadn't been laid in about 6 weeks. Blood's job is to sniff out women for him while apparently teaching him history and as he is often correcting his English, English as well. It's really God damn bizarre.
So, DJ and Blood go to this little shanty town that shows old movies and barters some food to watch one. Blood wants popcorn, but DJ refuses to buy him some, so Blood mocks him telling him there's a women in disguise here. They follow her after the movie is done to another underground bunker nearby where we get a scene where, I shit you not, Don Johnson says to her after he ambushes her half naked, "Now, stay right where you are. I'm going to go get one of those mats. If you try to run, I'm gonna put a bullet in your leg. Then, what's going to happen is still going to happen, but you'll be down a leg."
They almost get ambushed by a huge roving rape party that apparently also followed her with their own dog, but Blood catches scent and after a short fight where Blood is injured fighting off the other dog (in the most vicious and realistic dog fight I've ever seen on film. I doubt there's a no animals were harmed stamp in these credits). They hide in the bunker after some radioactive monsters who are never seen on camera called screamers show up and DJ and the female get it on 70's style. She tells DJ about a place called down under (apparently an underground city) where she's from. He can come but they won't take dogs. So she knocks him out and escapes. DJ insists on following her down under and we get a weird, fucked up tonal shift for the latter half of the movie.
DJ is forced to leave Blood behind up at the entrance to downunder. Blood, hobbling around on 3 legs agrees but says he can't wait forever. DJ goes down into some weird nuclear missile silo and is captured by people in yokle farm gear and very strange clown makeup. We are told that it was the females job, now known as Quilla, to bring DJ down and that she was promised a seat on the ruling council if she succeeded. Of course, they renig on the deal after she has succeeded and she storms out angry. DJ is then brought before the council and told they need him to impregnate their women as apparently decades of living underground has made the men sterile. DJ happily agrees and we immediately cut to him strapped to a hospital bed with some machine sucking semen out of him while a priest marries each girl in succession to a vial of his semen. Quilla breaks him loose and orders him to kill the council so they can take over. DJ refuses, tells them he's outta there and begins to leave when the council send some super smiling robot to kill all the rebels. The manage to kill the robot man and Quilla tells DJ that she knows the way out, but he has to take her with him.
After escaping we learn that Blood is pretty much on death's doorstep and he needs food. Quilla, implores DJ to leave him behind, they have to go. Blood agrees with her as it fades to black. The scene fades back in with a fire and Blood telling DJ he really appreciated what he did and asks him why he hasn't touched his food. The two of them get back into their journey with the following conversation before the credits roll:
DJ - Aww, why she have to get so wetheaded over a guy like me. She told me she loved me.
Blood - Well, I'd say she certainly had marvelous judgment, Albert, if not particularly good taste.
Then they both laugh and laugh.
Jesus. Christ.
The movie opens with a short scrolling message about how World War 4 only lasted 5 days and blah, blah nuclear apocalypse etc. Then we hear a disembodied voice tell Don Johnson's character Vix that there's a female nearby and he runs up to a crater to see men running out of it. Apparently other men got to her before he did and they raped and pretty much left her for dead. Don Johnson goes down to check her out and finds her all cut up and dying. So, he just leaves and gets mad that they cut her, as she could have been used 2 or 3 more times.
Also, the disembodied voice is his psychic dog, Blood.
Yeah, the first half of the movie is about Don Johnson's quest to find a female to rape and abuse as he hadn't been laid in about 6 weeks. Blood's job is to sniff out women for him while apparently teaching him history and as he is often correcting his English, English as well. It's really God damn bizarre.
So, DJ and Blood go to this little shanty town that shows old movies and barters some food to watch one. Blood wants popcorn, but DJ refuses to buy him some, so Blood mocks him telling him there's a women in disguise here. They follow her after the movie is done to another underground bunker nearby where we get a scene where, I shit you not, Don Johnson says to her after he ambushes her half naked, "Now, stay right where you are. I'm going to go get one of those mats. If you try to run, I'm gonna put a bullet in your leg. Then, what's going to happen is still going to happen, but you'll be down a leg."
They almost get ambushed by a huge roving rape party that apparently also followed her with their own dog, but Blood catches scent and after a short fight where Blood is injured fighting off the other dog (in the most vicious and realistic dog fight I've ever seen on film. I doubt there's a no animals were harmed stamp in these credits). They hide in the bunker after some radioactive monsters who are never seen on camera called screamers show up and DJ and the female get it on 70's style. She tells DJ about a place called down under (apparently an underground city) where she's from. He can come but they won't take dogs. So she knocks him out and escapes. DJ insists on following her down under and we get a weird, fucked up tonal shift for the latter half of the movie.
DJ is forced to leave Blood behind up at the entrance to downunder. Blood, hobbling around on 3 legs agrees but says he can't wait forever. DJ goes down into some weird nuclear missile silo and is captured by people in yokle farm gear and very strange clown makeup. We are told that it was the females job, now known as Quilla, to bring DJ down and that she was promised a seat on the ruling council if she succeeded. Of course, they renig on the deal after she has succeeded and she storms out angry. DJ is then brought before the council and told they need him to impregnate their women as apparently decades of living underground has made the men sterile. DJ happily agrees and we immediately cut to him strapped to a hospital bed with some machine sucking semen out of him while a priest marries each girl in succession to a vial of his semen. Quilla breaks him loose and orders him to kill the council so they can take over. DJ refuses, tells them he's outta there and begins to leave when the council send some super smiling robot to kill all the rebels. The manage to kill the robot man and Quilla tells DJ that she knows the way out, but he has to take her with him.
After escaping we learn that Blood is pretty much on death's doorstep and he needs food. Quilla, implores DJ to leave him behind, they have to go. Blood agrees with her as it fades to black. The scene fades back in with a fire and Blood telling DJ he really appreciated what he did and asks him why he hasn't touched his food. The two of them get back into their journey with the following conversation before the credits roll:
DJ - Aww, why she have to get so wetheaded over a guy like me. She told me she loved me.
Blood - Well, I'd say she certainly had marvelous judgment, Albert, if not particularly good taste.
Then they both laugh and laugh.
Jesus. Christ.
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Philosopher B.
Supposedly Harlan Ellison hated the last line of the film with a passion. But yeah, that movie was pretty fucking whacked-out.
North_Ranger
Staff member
Stand By Me. Meh.
Ahh, that could would make sense. Though, the last line of the movie is hardly the most insanely misogynistic part of it. Half the damn movie is about finding a woman to rape! Yes, the movie is God damned madness.
Also, I liked Iron Man 2 better than Iron Man. I thought it was really good.
Iron Man 2. Terrible Terrible movie. The Villain is boring and never actually does anything cool on screen, Tony Stark loses all of the roguish charm and devil may care attitude from the first movie in favor of oscillating between a drunken jackass and a braindead idiot.
It doesn't even manage to be a passable action movie because the action sequences are sloppy, idiotic and unexciting. The only action sequence that is any good is Scarlet beating people up which is definitely the best action sequence in the movie.
It doesn't even manage to be a passable action movie because the action sequences are sloppy, idiotic and unexciting. The only action sequence that is any good is Scarlet beating people up which is definitely the best action sequence in the movie.
Oh my god, I'm not crazy. I'M NOT CRAZY. Someone else saw the movie I saw.
Except I thought Scarlett J's character was terrible for every frame it was on screen. That looked like rejected shit from the Watchmen Prison Fight, and I mean that in the most insulting way.
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Soliloquy
Oh my god, I'm not crazy. I'M NOT CRAZY. Someone else saw the movie I saw.
Except I thought Scarlett J's character was terrible for every frame it was on screen. That looked like rejected shit from the Watchmen Prison Fight, and I mean that in the most insulting way.[/QUOTE]
Now, I think I agree with some of the sentiments, but I don't think it was a bad movie -- just an okay movie. Some of my random thoughts:
* I think that what happened to Stark's character is similar to what happened to Jack Sparrow -- the combined efforts of the actor and the writer just happened to work in the first movie, but in the second movie, the writers tried to pander to the actor's interpretation of the character, making things seem forced.
* The action wasn't as entertaining as the first two action sequences in Iron Man 1, but they're still much better than the final action sequence in the first movie. Also, there's more of it, meaning that if you go to a movie looking for gunfire and explosions, you'll probably like it better than the first one.
* The villain wasn't great, but I think he was better than Stane, who thought that the best way to expand his weapons company was to build a giant battlesuit and go berserk in the middle of a city. At least Vanko's motivation in the finale makes sense. Stane goes from meticulously-plotting advisor to BLAARGGH IMGONNAGETRICHBYKILLINGYOUALL!
* Scarlett Johansson didn't "act" so much as she "looked hot"
* They handled the origin of War Machine fairly effectively, though some of his lines ("you don't deserve to wear one of these!" "That wasn't a question.") were pretty cliche.
* The collision of two energy beams in a fight, has been lame for years, now. I can't even keep from rolling my eyes when it's in a Saturday Morning Cartoon.
* One of Stark's suits with its helmet open looks about as stupid as a Predator with its mask off.
* It is not worth it to sit through the credits just to see a glimpse of Thor's hammer sitting at the edge of a crater.
* Cheesy or no, Samuel L. Jackson is fun to see in any movie.
* Why the heck does Stark have Captain America's shield? Did he buy it at a garage sale or something?
* Why would you just stand there and look inquisitive when a battlebot that's been terrorizing the city begins to beep and flash a red light? For that matter, why would you equip your suicide bombs with a timer and a beeping red light?
* The action wasn't as entertaining as the first two action sequences in Iron Man 1, but they're still much better than the final action sequence in the first movie. Also, there's more of it, meaning that if you go to a movie looking for gunfire and explosions, you'll probably like it better than the first one.
* The villain wasn't great, but I think he was better than Stane, who thought that the best way to expand his weapons company was to build a giant battlesuit and go berserk in the middle of a city. At least Vanko's motivation in the finale makes sense. Stane goes from meticulously-plotting advisor to BLAARGGH IMGONNAGETRICHBYKILLINGYOUALL!
* Scarlett Johansson didn't "act" so much as she "looked hot"
* They handled the origin of War Machine fairly effectively, though some of his lines ("you don't deserve to wear one of these!" "That wasn't a question.") were pretty cliche.
* The collision of two energy beams in a fight, has been lame for years, now. I can't even keep from rolling my eyes when it's in a Saturday Morning Cartoon.
* One of Stark's suits with its helmet open looks about as stupid as a Predator with its mask off.
* It is not worth it to sit through the credits just to see a glimpse of Thor's hammer sitting at the edge of a crater.
* Cheesy or no, Samuel L. Jackson is fun to see in any movie.
* Why the heck does Stark have Captain America's shield? Did he buy it at a garage sale or something?
* Why would you just stand there and look inquisitive when a battlebot that's been terrorizing the city begins to beep and flash a red light? For that matter, why would you equip your suicide bombs with a timer and a beeping red light?
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Soliloquy
I thought so, too. But they they sure as heck looked like energy weapons in the two scenes in question -- it's like the CG artists forgot what they were for a few minutes.
Your spoiler questions are in the spoiler.
I guess that makes sense but I don't know how they failed that badly with Tony Stark being so unlikable. I mean Jack Sparrow you could at least see how the character came together. The sequel Stark was just unlikable and in no way fit with the character previously established.
No absolutely not. The final fight scene of the first movie was exciting because Tony was working with such limited resources while fighting an enemy who out classed him in every way.
I never got that rush from the final fight scene of the sequel. I mean the fight against the Hammeroids was Iron Man and War Machine tearing through the enemy and then releasing the hand lasers just to end the fight quicker not because they were in any risk of being defeated. Then of course the fight against Vanko was just a 2 on 1 fight where Vanko didn't seem to actually be able to hurt either of his opponents. I mean through the entire fight he never gets through their armor nor does it seem like he could actually choke them to death .
Except they failed utterly to make Vanko threatening. He attacks Tony Stark and despite having every advantage failed utterly to seriously wound Tony and then gets easily beaten and captured. So right off the bat he is as threatening as a Ballet Dancer. Then he escapes from prison not because of some master plan of his own but because of the actions of others and spends the rest of the movie tinkering around with the Hammer Drones not even close to being threatening. Then of course when he makes his move to finally gain his revenge his bad ass scene happens completely off camera.
Then of course we have the finale where his small army of drone fail to even scratch Tony's back in a threatening manner and then his fight where as I said he fails utterly.
Now think back to the first movie. You remember that scene where Pepper had just realized that Shane was behind Tony's kidnapping? He was just having a pleasant conversation but he was just so threatening and so scary that you could practically feel the malice dripping off of him. Vanko never reached that level of danger, never seemed like even half the villain Shane was.
Yeah her character just bothered me.
The origin story would be significantly better if it didn't have the slugfest that was boring as watching paint dry.
God yes I actually shouted "Fuck You Film makers" when they revealed that. I was absolutely livid.
Vanko was such a basic by the book saterday morning villain that I think he would be perfect for a villain on the Venture brothers.
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Soliloquy
As are my responses.
While I agree with your criticisms of Iron Man 2's fights, which I just sat through and watched without feeling any actual emotion, the fight in the first movie actually inspired outrage in me because of how hackneyed it was. Yes, Stane's suit was definitely a bigger threat, but the moment Stane put on the suit, all character motivation was thrown out the window, the dialogue simply jumped from cliche to cliche with no substance in between, and it all just seemed so familiar that I knew there was no way for it to end except I knew there was no way for the fight to end except the way it did -- big explosion, potentially self-sacrificial, etc.
The whole time, I was just waiting for it to get over with.
Now that's a very good point. I was just so turned off by the way the final fight was going that I forgot how interesting of a villain he was up until he decided increase his market share through wholesale slaughter of the populace.
Yeah it was a cliche storm but I guess I like my superhero finales to have them a little depowered and outclassed. I mean I know how it'll end with the badguy defeated but the more the deck is stacked against the hero the better the fight to me.
Either way I can see where you're coming from with disliking the final fight of the original Iron Man it wasn't really necessary in the plot since the real climax of the film for me was Tony plugging the old ARC generator into his chest. That was Tony Stark's true battle while the fight against Iron Monger was just the normal finale to the superhero movie.
Heh yeah his best examples of being an awesome villain were definitely done pre-finale. But I bow down to the narrative necessity of a final battle between good and evil at the end of superhero movies no matter how the actual point of the movie is for the hero to come into his own as a super hero and not really the defeat of the villain so the Villain breaking down and going on a killing spree didn't really bother me.
I definitely can see that it was unnecessary and completely unfitting with the magnificent bastardry that Shane showed earlier in the movie.
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Soliloquy
Finally saw How to Train your Dragon. Good movie, that -- and a great example of solid screenplay writing.
