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Jay

Jay

MindDetective said:
SeriousJay said:
Elaborate?
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On what? Watching movies is a passive experience of the art form. Discussing them involves highlighting aspects of the art form that were done well or poorly, such as characterization, the caliber of acting, direction and cinematography, and special effects. This is different from quoting lines from the movie to laugh at again or pointing out which part of the movie was sad or exciting. You can enjoy movies for the experience or you can enjoy them for the artistic merits but rarely both at the same time.
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Oh yes, I completely agree with you. :)
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Kissinger, you realize that The Critic was just as much a criticizm of critics themselves as it was of the movies, right?

Jay Sherman thought ALL movies sucked because he could never make it as a film maker himself.

Which makes your avatar a little funny for this subject.
 
Espy

Espy

For the record, since we are stating our credentials, I graduated with a degree in Visual Effects (thats the guys who make the Transformers and then composite them into the film). I have worked in Television and did several years of DVD production as well as directed and wrote several short films.
From a VFX perspective, the film was great. Flawless. In fact, it was to much. Thats part of my dislike of the VFX for these movies. VFX should add to the story, it SERVES the story, here in TF2, it WAS the story. That's bad filmmaking. It doesn't mean you won't enjoy the movie, but it's not a *good* thing.


Oh regarding critics? Bowie makes a great point. If a critic has never made a film/tv/whatever I take them less seriously. Ebert has.
 
MindDetective

MindDetective

Kissinger said:
MindDetective said:
You can enjoy movies for the experience or you can enjoy them for the artistic merits but rarely both at the same time.
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I would like to respectfully disagree with this particular point, although I mostly agree with the rest of your post.
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My reason for saying that is that when you are treating the film as an experience, you are no longer examining its parts. You might analyze it on reflection, but that is prone to all the foibles of our memory.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

I have absolutely no credentials other than watching a fuckton of movies. I like to think the sheer volume and range lets me appreciate good movies more and hate bad movies more. I have almost a dozen failed screenplay projects in various stages of not-finished.
 
Calleja

Calleja

I never got the difference between "vanilla" and "french vanilla"... is there even supposed to be one? Apart from, presumably, the country of provenance?
 
Allen who is Quiet

Allen who is Quiet

Calleja said:
Allen said:
Cajungal said:
Shhh, it's ice cream time.
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NOT ENOUGH SCREAMING FOR IT TO BE ICE CREAM TIME
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HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT ALL CAPS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN SCREAMING, YOU NOT-SO-SILENT FUCK!?
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IT IS IN THE MIND OF THE READER WHETHER OR NOT THEY CHOOSE TO "HEAR" THIS TEXT AS SCREAMING OR JUST SEE IT AS TEXT THAT HAPPENS IN ALL-CAPS.

AND YOU HAVE NEVER TOLD ME ANYTHING ABOUT ALL-CAPS MEANING SCREAMING.

AND OF COURSE I'M NOT COMPLETELY SILENT. I AM JUST LOW ON THE VOLUME SCALE, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN ABSOLUTE SILENCE. I'M JUST SILVER.
 
Denbrought

Denbrought

Calleja said:
I never got the difference between "vanilla" and "french vanilla"... is there even supposed to be one? Apart from, presumably, the country of provenance?
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They taste different. IIRC french vanilla tastes far far too sweet, eesh.
 
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Bowielee said:
Kissinger, you realize that The Critic was just as much a criticizm of critics themselves as it was of the movies, right?

Jay Sherman thought ALL movies sucked because he could never make it as a film maker himself.

Which makes your avatar a little funny for this subject.
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Yeah, I realize that. The Critic was a satire of the movie industry, including critics. However, it was loving satire.

And you'll find that critics don't hate everything, truly love film, are extremely knowledgeable on the subject, and love discussing it and teaching it.

But yeah, my avatar is great. It's pretty appropriate for me, in a cheeky and self-deprecating sort of way.
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My reason for saying that is that when you are treating the film as an experience, you are no longer examining its parts. You might analyze it on reflection, but that is prone to all the foibles of our memory.
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Ah, okay, I see what you're saying. I still don't entirely agree, but part of the joy of the movie-going experience for me is analyzing a film. I don't really consider myself to be a passive audience member, nor do I think most people are, really. We're constantly thinking about what we're watching - whether it makes sense, trying to understand the characters, processing what each shot is telling us. I think being an active participant in a film contributes to the experience. Although I do get your point about reflection and memory, which is why critics (the good ones, at least) take notes when they watch a movie.
 
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