[Movies] The DC Cinematic Universe - The David Zazlav Dumpster Fire.

I think the problem with Fate is you have to literally establish at least two characters for him. Fate himself, and the vessel. Young Justice did a pretty good job of it, and I remember reading a recent-ish run of one of those Elseworld or whatever lines that had a pretty cool version of him.
 
So, there's lightning every time the Flash uses his powers, even just a short little dodge move? How the hell does he have any working computers left in his life?

Plus "I need friends".... Barry Allen, the most human of super heroes, is awkward and socially isolated? Bullshit. You can't be perpetually late for social engagements if you have no one to be social with. You can't be worried about losing your humanity if you don't have any human connections to lose. This premise undercuts the heart of the character. No wonder they didn't want Grant Gustin for the part.
I assumed he meant "super" friends.
 
I haven't been paying close attention to her in the past few years, but when did Zatanna become Silk Spectre? Or rather, since when is she a character who "no one is happy when [she] shows up"?
No one is happy when Zatanna shows up because it usually means...

- Things are about to get weird
- It's unlikely they will be able to do fuck all to help
- They don't know if they are getting straight-laced, ready to throw down, stage magician Zatanna or been up since 5am yesterday, having magic drug fueled sex with John Constantine and now has a hangover Zatanna.

 
No one is happy when Zatanna shows up because it usually means...

- Things are about to get weird
- It's unlikely they will be able to do fuck all to help
- They don't know if they are getting straight-laced, ready to throw down, stage magician Zatanna or been up since 5am yesterday, having magic drug fueled sex with John Constantine and now has a hangover Zatanna.

Okay, this is definitely not the Zatanna I remember. Well, then.
 
Okay, this is definitely not the Zatanna I remember. Well, then.
The thing with Zatanna is that she's been used in both classic DC comics (where she was a powerful magician but really loved her Stage Magician motif) AND Vertigo comics in the 90's and 2000's (where she would show up in Hellblazer and do stuff like the aforementioned druggy sex magic). Her new 52 incarnation is sort of a mix between the two, leaning more towards the Vertigo side. Which is a shame because her solo series was great, but it was one of many things sacrificed for the new 52 line and Justice League Dark isn't nearly as interesting.

Ironically, Justice League Dark already has most of my dream team for another Seven Soldiers of Victory reboot: John Constantine, Zatanna, Jason Blood and The Demon, and Swamp Thing. Toss in Klarion the Witchboy, Dr. Fate, and maybe the werewolf version of Vigilante and you have the makings of a fun ensemble movie.
 
Early pre-review embargo buzz on Suicide Squad from folks who've been to screenings is it's worse than BvS.

Yikes.
 
How is that even possible?
Well.... at least people knew who Superman and Batman were. The suicide squad are made of mostly unknowns (to the general public). If you are going to do that you need to do a great job portraying those characters (see Guardians of the Galaxy for info on how to do this right). These guys can't even get Superman and Batman right.... how do you think they are going to handle more nuanced folk like the squad?
 
Well.... at least people knew who Superman and Batman were. The suicide squad are made of mostly unknowns (to the general public). If you are going to do that you need to do a great job portraying those characters (see Guardians of the Galaxy for info on how to do this right). These guys can't even get Superman and Batman right.... how do you think they are going to handle more nuanced folk like the squad?
It's not the same people making the two movies. Different directors, different writers. I think the only common actor is Ben Affleck.
 
Honestly the trailers never did anything for me. I'd be surprised if it is any good at all. I honestly don't see what everyone else sees in the trailers.
 
I saw Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn in various stages of undress in the trailers, and that was enough to pique my interest in this film.

I'll admit, though, that there wasn't much else drawing my interest.
 
They = WB

Green Lantern was also done by different writers and directors.... but it was still WB.
That's really not relevant though to the movie itself. Despite what the law says, corporations are not people; they don't make decisions, they have people in them that do. The only relation Green Lantern has to the DCEU is that he's not in it because his movie did so poorly.

As it is, before BvS, there was no overhead for this continuity of DC movies. No one at WB thought that was important at the time. Suicide Squad was pretty much finished besides the reshoots at that point, so it's not even certain it has the same producer. You don't make a movie by twisting a knob on the distributor of choice machine and out pops a movie. It's people making it, step by step, and on a fine detail like character nuance, it's going to come down to the labor level of the actors, writers, director, and (sometimes) the editors. Unless a command comes down from the executive producers, like the reshoots, it's not going to touch details like that.

It's why we blame Snyder for BvS. WB let him have his way, and he did, so the responsibility is on him. For Justice League, there's now an overhead to the project, and Ben Affleck is not only a leading actor but an executive producer taking a hands-on approach to the project. But in each step, it's still people. WB is a brand. You can also find it on lots of things.

The reason we go over all this production nonsense is because the causes for a movie to be good or bad isn't as simple as an amorphous "they."
 
Tracking stuff/buzz is putting Suicide Squad at a $140 million opening, which would break Guardians' August record and also confirm Suicide Squad as a better film
 
Early pre-review embargo buzz on Suicide Squad from folks who've been to screenings is it's worse than BvS.

Yikes.
I did a little Google-Fu but haven't been able to turn up a consensus. I've see a positive review from someone who adored BvS:tDoJ [1] I've seen a negative review from a critic who didn't like Civil War (or for that matter Incredibles) [2]

At least DC is staying classy through all of this:
 
Sorry, was about to edit it in.
It's cool. I just needed context.

My store gave away some advance screening tickets this weekend. The showing is tonight, and while I have no interest in the movie I suspect it's going to nail the audience it's aiming for.
 
This bums me out, I don't take glee in them being bad movies. I was really looking forward to Suicide Squad too.

Speaking of disappointed (or, at least, glumly surprised): Harley’s boyfriend, who’s been so prominently featured in the marketing for the film, hardly makes an impression at all. All that talk about Jared Leto going super-Method to play the Joker, tormenting his castmates and whatnot, has led only to a lukewarm display of villainy that, it turns out, teeters on the line between small supporting role and outright cameo. After all that, Leto’s Joker is barely in the damn movie, and when he is, he’s entirely underwhelming.
Considering what a God damn psycho he's been working on the film, that he has barely a cameo really goes to show what an insufferable shit Jared Leto is.
 
That's really not relevant though to the movie itself. Despite what the law says, corporations are not people; they don't make decisions, they have people in them that do. The only relation Green Lantern has to the DCEU is that he's not in it because his movie did so poorly.

As it is, before BvS, there was no overhead for this continuity of DC movies. No one at WB thought that was important at the time. Suicide Squad was pretty much finished besides the reshoots at that point, so it's not even certain it has the same producer. You don't make a movie by twisting a knob on the distributor of choice machine and out pops a movie. It's people making it, step by step, and on a fine detail like character nuance, it's going to come down to the labor level of the actors, writers, director, and (sometimes) the editors. Unless a command comes down from the executive producers, like the reshoots, it's not going to touch details like that.

It's why we blame Snyder for BvS. WB let him have his way, and he did, so the responsibility is on him. For Justice League, there's now an overhead to the project, and Ben Affleck is not only a leading actor but an executive producer taking a hands-on approach to the project. But in each step, it's still people. WB is a brand. You can also find it on lots of things.

The reason we go over all this production nonsense is because the causes for a movie to be good or bad isn't as simple as an amorphous "they."
Okay so they = the idiots who think they can achieve what a rival studio has without doing any of the legwork. You are crazy if you think the higher ups at WB studios have no effect on the movies the studio makes. They, the studio executives make decisions that trickle down and directly affect the directors and writers of their movies all the time. Who made the decision to go back and focus the re-shoots on lightening the tone of Suicide Squad? Who originally gave Snyder carte blanche to make BvS and are now backpedaling from that decision? I blame Snyder for making a poor Superman movie but I put the blame on the studio heads for where the DC movieverse is right now and I think the quality of the movies shows that.
 

Cajungal

Staff member
Well, Jared, perhaps there's more to preparing for a role than mailing used condoms to women with whom you have a professional relationship. Whoda thunk? (Not to mention all the other weird shit he did... I don't feel like Googling it.)
 
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