The Last Airbender - New Trailer!

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But in Harry Potter, we see the course of a year take place within the film, and all we miss is the summer break.

So spacing it out like that really makes no sense for Airbender. Not to mention, they did it by a few months in the show, and that took place across three years.

And I have to wonder if this is even going to get a sequel. I have a feeling that its own terribleness and the release of Eclipse will have crushed it for this weekend.
I think you misunderstand. I'm pretty sure what he means is that the kids are going to age, regardless. If they said it was coming in three months and it takes 3-4 years to make all 3 movies, the kids are not going to be kids anymore. Fuck, Sokka is already barely a "kid".[/QUOTE]

Oh, got it, understood.

That's what prevented any further A Series of Unfortunate Events movies. Sunny is supposed to stay a baby through the whole series.
 
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I saw it opening night cause my friends got us FREE ticket to go see it. I am going to put under spoiler just in case some people haven't seen the anime (I call it anime cause of style not place it was made) on TV

Note: I am a huge fan of the show except I still believe that book 2 and 3 was a bit rushed and should have book 4: air
I also agree that the movie should have animated instead to keep the same voices
I also agree that the movie should follow the anime - continuation and possible more back story. (since the anime is done an there won't be anymore. There might be a newer series later but different cast - Rumor)

First the ethnic change was a bad call from day one. I don't like it. They should have kept the Asian in it. Heck, even the elements writing was changes... blah. Maybe they hate Chinese. I don't know

Name change - If the movie is going to be base on the show, they should have kept the SAME pronunciation. some may argue it is more "Asian" style, but I find it VERY distracting.

The cutscene is horrible. I don't mind narrative story but oh god. Instead of a movie, it is like reading a scrapbook (poorly done version) project. At least they should do like Indiana Jones style with the world map and show their progress from one city to the next.

What is with Admiral Zhao teleporting back and forth to the Fire Nation capital? I mean, I saw the map, and the rate that Admiral is moving in the movie, that is near impossible. Boat move faster than Flying Bison?

Momo was never named. Just a flying Lemur that happen to follow Aang around.

What is with Aang using air bending to disable soldiers (like in the Zuko's boat and other attack with Blue Spirite) but refuse to use water bending the same way? Some say he is using air defensively, but it is more of an attack (non lethal for sure but still) but not water. The movie never really touches on that.

Line deliverance of each character was pretty poor. Katara's role was poorly done. Sokka suppose to be funny AND a great tactician but noooo.... his character changed.

Haru's name was never mention and what is with actually putting "powerful" earth bender in an earth prison??? what is up with that? in the Anime, the prisoner are put into metal ocean rigs since they can't bend metal (which will cover later in the anime that only a few earth masters CAN bend metal) so they are really prisoner and can't escape, but in the movie, it would have been pretty easy to keep all those earth bender in one place with plenty of ammo. It is like putting a soldiers in an open weapon bunker and tell them to behave... yea right.

3D was a total waste. I rather watch a quality film than having it 3D. I wear glasses and having a 3D glasses on TOP of my glasses is not very comfortable. I wouldn't wear it at home cause it hinders me. Once the tech can actually produce 3D without glasses then we'll talk.
 
Also, in the movie, just about everyone's name is mispronounced. Why? They have PLENTY of source material to work from!
Technically the movie is actually using the proper pronunciations of these asian-inspired names. The TV series actually 'americanizes' the pronunciation.[/QUOTE]

...So?

The movie is BASED on that show.[/QUOTE]And the show was based on Asian culture, but changed it to suit it's wants/needs. So the movie goes back to the same source as the show and goes in a slightly different direction. That's the type of thing you can do when you do an adaptation.
 
Also, in the movie, just about everyone's name is mispronounced. Why? They have PLENTY of source material to work from!
Technically the movie is actually using the proper pronunciations of these asian-inspired names. The TV series actually 'americanizes' the pronunciation.[/QUOTE]

...So?

The movie is BASED on that show.[/QUOTE]And the show was based on Asian culture, but changed it to suit it's wants/needs. So the movie goes back to the same source as the show and goes in a slightly different direction. That's the type of thing you can do when you do an adaptation.[/QUOTE]

Too bad they didn't try that with the story to make it flow within the context of a film.
 
First the ethnic change was a bad call from day one. I don't like it. They should have kept the Asian in it. Heck, even the elements writing was changes... blah. Maybe they hate Chinese. I don't know
Look I'm not a fan of the 'white-washing' either, but I think that's a bit much to say they 'hate the chinese'. (and why just the Chinese? what about the rest of Asia?) I don't think the changes were made out of malice, but cowardice. The reality is that when you spend $150 million on something, you tend to want to take the 'safe' route.

Name change - If the movie is going to be base on the show, they should have kept the SAME pronunciation. some may argue it is more "Asian" style, but I find it VERY distracting.
Well, it is more "Asian" style. Sorry you found it so distracting, but as far as changes go this has far more legitimacy than some others.

Line deliverance of each character was pretty poor. Katara's role was poorly done. Sokka suppose to be funny AND a great tactician but noooo.... his character changed.
Well the main trio weren't particularly good, but I don't think Zuko and Iroh were that bad. Asif Mandvi did chew the scenery a bit as Zhou, but otherwise was pretty good.

Haru's name was never mention and what is with actually putting "powerful" earth bender in an earth prison??? what is up with that? in the Anime, the prisoner are put into metal ocean rigs since they can't bend metal (which will cover later in the anime that only a few earth masters CAN bend metal) so they are really prisoner and can't escape, but in the movie, it would have been pretty easy to keep all those earth bender in one place with plenty of ammo. It is like putting a soldiers in an open weapon bunker and tell them to behave... yea right.
Yep, even recognizing that cuts were obviously necessary, that sequence was bit odd.

3D was a total waste. I rather watch a quality film than having it 3D. I wear glasses and having a 3D glasses on TOP of my glasses is not very comfortable. I wouldn't wear it at home cause it hinders me. Once the tech can actually produce 3D without glasses then we'll talk.
I empathize with you wearing glasses. The 3D in this movie was indeed worthless, it was tacked on in the post-production. The problem is that the film was not shot with 3D in mind, so there were precious few shots that could take advantage of the extra depth, and even those didn't come off very well. On top of that the process made the film darker and 'muddier'. I've heard they had similar problems with "Clash of the Titans".

I wouldn't judge 3D in general by this film however. The only other film I've seen in 3D was James Cameron's Avatar and that was actually quite good.

I have heard rumors of glasses-less 3D tech being in the works at places like Microsoft. Keep your fingers crossed... :p
 
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Oh I have to agree that Avatar 3D was very good. I was pretty surprise it blends well. Not all 3D is good, but this one "The last airbender" could have done without.

for those who haven't watch avatar
I know the story line is also white washed i.e. the white guy has the save the day, and pretty much combine the story of "Fern Gully" "Pocahontas" and "Dances with wolves" but the delivery was quite good and the story was interesting

well... I feel that the fire nation has taken the most in Chinese/Japanese route in the anime. Indian (India Indian are technically Asian that is why I mention Chinese) was a bit weird, but you are right the actors who did Zuko and Iroh was pretty good and not bad (the dread locks was weird but hey I guess dread locks are natural to the Indian nation right? (again India not American Indian))
 
Oh I have to agree that Avatar 3D was very good. I was pretty surprise it blends well. Not all 3D is good, but this one "The last airbender" could have done without.
Particularly in this case when it doesn't really add anything and it has a negative effect on the picture quality. They really need to be more careful about this as bad 3D in films has the potential to kill the technology before it can take hold.

for those who haven't watch avatar
I know the story line is also white washed i.e. the white guy has the save the day, and pretty much combine the story of "Fern Gully" "Pocahontas" and "Dances with wolves" but the delivery was quite good and the story was interesting
I don't think that's necessarily unfair, however I do think that there's a much simpler explanation for it: I think that the producers assumed that if the average american film-goer saw movie posters and/or previews for this film and saw an all-asian cast that their first thought would be: "huh, must be a foreign film." and that their second thought would be "meh, I do care for foreign films, what else is playing?" I think it was fear of that kind of reaction that lead them to go the 'safe route', which is really a shame.

well... I feel that the fire nation has taken the most in Chinese/Japanese route in the anime. Indian (India Indian are technically Asian that is why I mention Chinese) was a bit weird, but you are right the actors who did Zuko and Iroh was pretty good and not bad (the dread locks was weird but hey I guess dread locks are natural to the Indian nation right? (again India not American Indian))
I thought the Indian/South Asian characters with Japanese-esque armor was a good fit. I wish they had carried through that theme in the casting of Iroh, as it was kind of weird having Zuko's Uncle and Ozai's brother be a white guy. Although technically the actor who played Ozai is Maori, not Indian. So I guess that just fits in with the whole weird mix of races theme.
 
I think that the producers assumed that if the average american film-goer saw movie posters and/or previews for this film and saw an all-asian cast that their first thought would be: "huh, must be a foreign film." and that their second thought would be "meh, I do care for foreign films, what else is playing?" I think it was fear of that kind of reaction that lead them to go the 'safe route', which is really a shame.
Yes. This. Which is called whitewashing. It's also worth noting that Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon did just fine. Also, that as recently as "Hitch," Hollywood producers were afraid to cast Will Smith as a lead by himself without a white man to accompany him because he "wasn't bankable enough." Hitch also did just fine. Hollywood likes to hide behind the fact that "it's the public that's racist, not us, we just have to follow the money," when the fact is the public is far less racist that Hollywood gives them credit for.
 
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I think that the producers assumed that if the average american film-goer saw movie posters and/or previews for this film and saw an all-asian cast that their first thought would be: "huh, must be a foreign film." and that their second thought would be "meh, I do care for foreign films, what else is playing?" I think it was fear of that kind of reaction that lead them to go the 'safe route', which is really a shame.
Yes. This. Which is called whitewashing. It's also worth noting that Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon did just fine. Also, that as recently as "Hitch," Hollywood producers were afraid to cast Will Smith as a lead by himself without a white man to accompany him because he "wasn't bankable enough." Hitch also did just fine. Hollywood likes to hide behind the fact that "it's the public that's racist, not us, we just have to follow the money," when the fact is the public is far less racist that Hollywood gives them credit for.
That is what I believe. Sure maybe about 20 years ago the "population could be racist" but with the internet age and people can watch anything from anywhere in the globe, not so much.

Look at the stores. The anime and foreign film increase over the ages (anime has drop a little but still going much stronger 10 years ago) a lot of the stuff going toward anime stuff even DC/Marvel stuff and a lot of the cartoon are going more anime feel.

I also notice more Asian influence in terms of action like Martial arts and "wire acting" which is pretty cool.
 
I think Hollywood fairly consistently lives about 20 years behind the times in terms of "playing it safe." The Kirk/Uhura kiss was super controversial and the producers wanted them to record two separate scenes (one in which they did kiss, one without). The actors deliberately kept messing up the "kiss-less" scene so they just showed the kiss scene everywhere. And then got loads of positive fan mail. (Plus one cranky guy from Alabama).
 
Yes. This. Which is called whitewashing. It's also worth noting that Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon did just fine. Also, that as recently as "Hitch," Hollywood producers were afraid to cast Will Smith as a lead by himself without a white man to accompany him because he "wasn't bankable enough." Hitch also did just fine. Hollywood likes to hide behind the fact that "it's the public that's racist, not us, we just have to follow the money," when the fact is the public is far less racist that Hollywood gives them credit for.
According to wikipedia, CTHD made $128million in the U.S., which is indeed a very impressive figure for a film that cost $17million to make. Unfortunately that would not be as good a result for a film that cost $150million to make. The general calculus as I understand it is that a film generally has to make it's production costs back in the U.S., then the foreign grosses are where they make their profit. Of course that calculus has changed somewhat with the rise of DVD sales in the 90's, but the core of it is still there.

Now I'm not trying to defend Hollywood's racism here or the average American film-goer's dislike of 'foreign films'. I'm just pointing out that when you spend a lot of money on something, you tend to be a little more conservative.

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I think Hollywood fairly consistently lives about 20 years behind the times in terms of "playing it safe." The Kirk/Uhura kiss was super controversial and the producers wanted them to record two separate scenes (one in which they did kiss, one without). The actors deliberately kept messing up the "kiss-less" scene so they just showed the kiss scene everywhere. And then got loads of positive fan mail. (Plus one cranky guy from Alabama).
To be fair I do think that there are parts of this country that are '20 years behind the times'. I'd like to believe that this country is a post-racist society, but it's not.
But even so, I don't think this issue is exclusively about racism. I think whether the 'average American film-goer' would perceive the film as 'foreign' is more relevant. I think Americans are far too used to producing culture that they are not used to consuming foreign culture. Notice the tendency of Hollywood to re-make popular foreign films. Most Americans just don't care for foreign films, and it's kinda sad really.

Also, despite the critical drubbing and the protests, it sounds like The Last Airbender did pretty well for itself.

Gary Thompson: 'Last Airbender' soars at box office despite predictions, and that may lead to a sequel | Philadelphia Daily News | 07/08/2010

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There's a good chance that very few people will see it after the opening weekend though. It's getting horrible press, and bad reviews from the vast majority of people who've seen it.
 
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Well, Damn it.

Though part of me is glad that M. Night is finally making money again... I kind of wish he'd be making money on good movies.
 
It's going to do well overseas because it's a big event spectacle flick with special effects.
Unless the Chinese ban it, for offending their cultural heritage or some such. (Wouldn't be the first time...)[/QUOTE]

wow did you look at the list banned in Iran? That list is hilariouse as in full of comedy like Naked Gun and Zoolander.

and damn you FINLAND FOR BANNING THE EVIL DEAD[/QUOTE]

It's only because they don't want the population to know about the living rape trees in the countryside.
 
It is a bit sad that this movie basically failed. I blame the studio as much as Shyamalan. They a property that could have easily been turned into 6 feature films. That is supposed to be the new Holy Grail for the studios. Instead they compress this down, and rush it through production. And made a lousy movie out of a good little story.
 
It is a bit sad that this movie basically failed. I blame the studio as much as Shyamalan. They a property that could have easily been turned into 6 feature films. That is supposed to be the new Holy Grail for the studios. Instead they compress this down, and rush it through production. And made a lousy movie out of a good little story.
It's especially damning, as every season except the first had a mid-season cliff hanger as well.

Season 1: This one is hard to peg, but then again you could probably cut 6 episodes from the first season and it would still have a coherent storyline. This is the season where they were having trouble getting a coherent vision for the series.

Season 2: The Library is the Mid-Season Cliff Hanger, as it completely sets the tone for the rest of the season. It goes from a somewhat fun and fancy free to a more isolated, us-versus-them kind of story.

Season 3: The Day of Black Sun two-parter, or possibly The Western Air Temple if you want to end the side-story of Combustion Man and have Zuko join the team.
 
So after four weeks, The Last Airbender has barely made its money back worldwide.

I'm guessing this means that Shyamalan isn't as dead as I predicted, but there won't be a sequel.
If you click on the "Forgeign" tab on that page you'll see that the film hasn't been released in the majority of the countries they have listed. That suggests it's foreign box office isn't done yet.

The numbers could have been better, but this is no Prince of Persia or Percy Jackson, which didn't even make back their production costs (in all likelihood, I don't know the specific budgets for those films).
 
It'll probably make back money, but M. Night's credibility as a director has been all but destroyed... which is good, as it means he likely won't be involved in the inevitable sequel, which actually gives it hope of not being utterly and irredeemably awful.
 
It'll probably make back money, but M. Night's credibility as a director has been all but destroyed... which is good, as it means he likely won't be involved in the inevitable sequel, which actually gives it hope of not being utterly and irredeemably awful.
"utterly and irredeemably awful"? Seriously? The film was definitely flawed, but "utterly and irredeemably awful"? Not even close.

It's not saying much, I realize, but this movie was better than X Men: The Last Stand. Hell, I think it was better than the first Harry Potter film, at least I think it was since I can't even remember that much of that film it was so generic and dull.

So if you want a new director for the next TLA film, fair enough. It wouldn't be the first time they changed directors for a series like this. Hell, from what I've seen the later Harry Potter films were much, much better directed. But be careful what you wish for, you could end up with a Brett Ratner/Chris Columbus hack-fest.
 
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No... it was utterly and irredeemably awful. I'm pretty sure you stand alone in thinking otherwise.

(well, not literally alone, but people who didn't hate the movie are pretty scarce.)
 
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No... it was utterly and irredeemably awful. I'm pretty sure you stand alone in thinking otherwise.

(well, not literally alone, but people who didn't hate the movie are pretty scarce.)
It is pretty awful. I would rather watch Harry Potter or X-Men again than watch Last Airbender the movie. It was that bad for me.
 
No... it was utterly and irredeemably awful. I'm pretty sure you stand alone in thinking otherwise.

(well, not literally alone, but people who didn't hate the movie are pretty scarce.)
Well, not that scarce apparently considering it's box office take which was pretty ok. Not great or fantastic, of course, but then that is fair since it wasn't a great or fantastic film. Now among voices on the internets, there is indeed a lot of hate towards this film. The thing is that internets have a tendency to go to extremes. Everything is either the greatest ever or the worst ever. So what really makes me alone is that fact that I'm arguing for the film's "ok-ness".

I suppose I could just say that it was the worst movie ever made just to fit in, but I just don't honestly believe that.
 
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