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What we see...
What Jet sees.
What Jet sees.
The Random Crap Thread 2: It Hits the Fan.
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Yes he is.
Why do you hate your son so much, Fade?
Just so long as you don't make him wait until he reads the Silmarillion.
He has already become a Sith Narnian Prince, his studies of Middle Earth are all he needs to complete his ascension to Sith Narnian Ruler of Morgoth.
Totally different approaches are necessary. One is the concentrated power of an evil angel. The other is a bunch of guys running around space in their pajamas.
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makare
I loved the movies and didn't like the books at all. Snooze city.
BananaHands
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I wanna run around space in my pajamas...
So do I BH,so do I.I wanna run around space in my pajamas...
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The ring makes people invisible, but Tolkien never says it makes Sauron so. Remember, when he made them, he wasn't yet totally evil. He was a Maiar of Order, and a lot of his motivation comes from his need to have order in the world. After Morgoth's defeat, he truly wanted to help Arda, since he felt the Valar had neglected it. He and the elves made the rings at this point, and he wore his, but wasn't invisible. He wore it while he corrupted Numenor, which was powerful enough to defeat him even with it. When Numenor is destroyed and Sauron's body is killed, he takes with him the Ring.
Good. First, let the hate flow through you.
It made Hobbits invisible too, why not Sauron? It doesn't say that it didn't either. Hence, the glaring error. Also why did Galadriel act like the ring would make her a god or something? She completely flips out when it's offered to her.
Bitch it'd make you invisible, not invulerable. What were you going to do with it? Sneak around and listen to the latest gossip about yourself without anyone knowing? Pleeeeease.
I remember reading somewhere that the ring made "lesser" races invisible but those with power of their own (wizards, Galadriel, etc.) could choose on how they were viewed and could tap into the powers that the Ring harnessed. But I don't have enough time to find where I read that at, but know that it was before widespread internet usage.
Sam and Frodo saw the Eye of Barad-dûr. I don't know if Sauron had a body and his eye peered across Mordor, but at the top of the tower there was a red fiery eye.
Sam and Frodo saw the Eye of Barad-dûr. I don't know if Sauron had a body and his eye peered across Mordor, but at the top of the tower there was a red fiery eye.
I always got the feeling that the ring had more power than was shown, due to the inexperience of the wielders or the ring's own machinations. You need to remember that the holder of the One Ring could control the other rings. That means controlling several of the most powerful wizards and elves in existence, who've been wearing their rings because they thought the One Ring was gone. That'd be enough power to tempt anyone.
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I'm glad you're trolling, because I would've been searching for the direct quotes. I'm at my nerdiest when it comes to Tolkien.Yeah no. It was never said it had other powers. All we knew is it made whoever wore it invisible. Sauron wore it in the movie and he wasn't invisible.
Apparantly I need to add
ElJuski
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that much I just realized right now in this thread. Dang, you know your LOTR son
Yeah, the Orcs were often mentioned to wear that emblem. It makes sense because not only was that Sauron's symbol, that was how he looked to them. I think when Frodo was wearing the Ring atop Amon Hen, he saw the fiery red eye as well.
I believe the Ring was often called "The Ring of Power" - it held sway over the other rings, allowing Sauron to corrupt the owners. I think in a way it used its power to enhance the desires of the bearer - someone wishing for personal might would feel themselves to be stronger, more intimidating, grander. Indeed, we see a bit of that when Sam encounters two Orcs in Cirith Ungol - even he, a hobbit, frightens them. Bilbo wished to hide from the goblins and Smaug, and so it made him invisible. Smeagol was greedy, and so it made itself precious beyond all else to him. Ambitious men like Boromir, Aragorn, etc, would probably have awed those before them and been able to command the loyalty of, say, Theoden, without question. But by the same token, the Ring is treacherous - it abandoned Gollum when it was clear he would not leave the caverns; it betrayed Isildur to his ambushers; surely a human king bearing it would have grown paranoid and seen plots against him in every shadow until his kingdom was in ruins.
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Tolkien's own sketches show him as a black-skinned humanoid at the time of Return of the King. I do agree that Tolkien mentions the eye atop Barad-dur, but it always felt to me like this was just an expression of the overbearing power of the gaze of Sauron than a physical manifestation. Like the eye of God. Of course, one of the beauties of his writing style was that he left the physical descriptions sparse so that you could interpret them as you would. The only physical description I really remember (other than hobbits, of course) was of early elves, which were described as nearly indistinguishable from men in both form and attitude.
Sauron had a lot of different forms; he was essentially an archangel. He had assumed the form of a gigantic wolf-like creature, an enormous vampire bat, and often assumed beautiful forms to trick those he wished to subvert. In order for the One Ring to dominate the other Rings of Power, Sauron had to imbue it with much of his own divine power. "Creating the Ring simultaneously strengthened and weakened Sauron's power. On the one hand, as long as Sauron had the Ring, he could control the power of all the other Rings, and thus he was significantly more powerful after its creation than before; and putting such a great portion of his own power into the Ring ensured Sauron's continued existence so long as the Ring existed. On the other hand, by binding his power within the Ring, Sauron became dependent on it — without it his power was significantly diminished."
Okay I know you Tolkien fans are probably tired of hearing this, but why couldn't they take the eagle directly to Mordor? Was it because it would have been shot down easily by orcs and/or Sauron's crazy powers? Or was that better explained in the books?
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makare
It never occurred to me that there would be male real dolls but now that I have seen them I realize that was a mistake on my part. the article title is correct they are definitely creepier than the female ones.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/peggy/male-real-dolls-creepier-than-their-female-counte
http://www.buzzfeed.com/peggy/male-real-dolls-creepier-than-their-female-counte