This one's a doozy.

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Interpol isn't really on the radar screens of North Americans (well, Canada and the US; I can't speak for Latin America). Indeed, I'd hazard that the vast majority of the time we hear about them is in a movie set in Europe.
Yup. I would wager most Americans have no clue what Interpol is or what it does. If they do, like Grue said they probably heard about it in a movie.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and the less people know about something before the crazies spread their misinformation, the easier it is to mislead the following sheep.
 
Don't they teach people about interpol and other important organizations in school? I know I read about it in politics&history class back in middle/high...

My knowledge of stereotypes says they don't teach americans anything in school...
 
I believe our laws should apply before any international laws do, and that means the American legal system takes priority.
Bull-fucking-shit. If you go by that logic, a nation could pass a law saying genocide is perfectly legal within its borders and therefore they can kill as many ethnic groups as they want with no reprisals from anyone. The United States has to play by the same rules the rest of the world does when it comes to international law and its enforcement, or not play at all. Kind of the whole point.

take precautions to insure against a rogue agent or something like that.
Really? You think that is a likely outcome? An interpol agent is gonna lose his shit and just start arresting Americans and declaring their stuff evidence? You do realize that Interpol agents report to people, right? If an agent goes rogue and starts abusing his power, his ass will be on trial ASAP. Even if this executive order DID give Intperol carte blanche, it doesn't mean that Interpol doesn't have rules IT has to follow.

As an aside...all it took was an executive order to take away this "sovereignty encroachment" in the first place. If it does get abused, it is not exactly hard to to reissue.

Also:
In order to maintain as politically neutral a role as possible, Interpol's constitution forbids its involvement in crimes that do not overlap several member countries,[3] or in any political, military, religious, or racial crimes.[4]
Oh noes! We actually have to grant the organization we signed on with the privileges it is meant to have! Say goodbye to freedom! *rolleyes*
 
Aren't Interpol offices staffed by national law enforcement (by the DoJ and FBI, in our case), who are covered by FoIA?

I understand Armadillo's concerns about a rogue agent/group who won't follow the rules, but if we're going to be questioning law enforcement agencies on that issue anyway, I would put the NYPD ($4 Bn budget) ahead of Interpol ($59 MM worldwide budget) on the list of agencies with the power to abuse who should be checked out.

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I don't think Chun-Li has ever arrested anyone on-screen. Beaten the shit out of, maybe, but actually arrested?

Zenigata has arrested whole criminal organizations en passant while chasing Lupin.
 
I understand Armadillo's concerns about a rogue agent/group who won't follow the rules, but if we're going to be questioning law enforcement agencies on that issue anyway, I would put the NYPD ($4 Bn budget) ahead of Interpol ($59 MM worldwide budget) on the list of agencies with the power to abuse who should be checked out.
Nah, he's only concerned about foreign rogue agents/groups.
 
National Review.

So pfft.
Messenger, message.[/QUOTE]

Matters quite a bit.[/QUOTE]

Not if you just dismiss something out of hand because of who reported it. This was an actual executive order; I linked to it from the White House website. Yes, the opinion piece at National Review had a slant to it, but that doesn't mean the actual matter at hand isn't important.[/QUOTE]

There was no slant. It was an out right lie. Looks like 5 minutes of my investigating the issue showed that the Liar that wrote your article is the same Liar that he ALWAYS is. Messengers do matter. Trusting this source is like trusting a junkie not to buy heroin with the money he panhandles, even though he tells you it is to buy a bus ticket out of town.
 
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A quick note about Jurisdiction, for some who only know the term from movies.

Jurisdiction has three main levels of how it applies:

Personal: Jurisdiction over a person/people no matter where they are, usually used in military law or to apprehend fugitives who have committed a crime in another country (extradition being another, trickier matter)

Territorial: Legal command over a certain geographic area with usually strict boundaries. This means that the people in this area and any events that occur in it fall under the legal purview of the legal body(ies) granted authority over the aforementioned area. This is why a crime committed in, say, New York City can be prosecuted or pursued when the suspect/felon has left the original jurisdiction. Note that after crossing state or country borders, territorial will blur with personal in terms of how the process is negotiated.

Universal Jurisdiction: Universal is reserved for the highest level of criminal acts and or threats. Those who authorize/attempt/commit genocide, large scale human or drug trafficking, arms dealing and incredibly heinous crimes are considered under the jurisdiction of any country which apprehends them or gets them first. These individuals are usually tried in the Hague or World Court, since their crimes are on a level to effect multiple countries or people.


Interpol usually only acts on either a criminal dispute that involves three or more member countries (arms trafficking, drug trade, human trafficking, sometimes human smuggling). Even then INTERPOL is STILL bound by both their own laws as a technically neutral third party and the laws of the country in which they are seeking to obtain their suspect of felon. This means that an INTERPOL agent who apprehends a Columbian drug lord in America will have to A) Dispute proper jurisdiction with the nation's authorities (the FBI in this case and the US Attorney's Office) and abide by the nation's laws of detainment until the matter is settled.
 
Obama's doing plenty of other things wrong, and this is what people complain about?

A lot of countries are doubtless restricting interpol's access inside their nation with the excuse that if the US can't trust them, then they can't either.

By more fully supporting INTERPOL the US is sending a message that will hopefully serve the US more than it serves anyone else. Like any other treaty this is a political move meant to get some other party to give us something we want.

We don't know if Obama will get what he's asking for (or if he's asking for something worth what he's giving up) but it's simplistic to think that he's doing this blindly, or that it will result in harm coming to the citizens or constitution of the USA.
 
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Obama's doing plenty of other things wrong, and this is what people complain about?

A lot of countries are doubtless restricting interpol's access inside their nation with the excuse that if the US can't trust them, then they can't either.

By more fully supporting INTERPOL the US is sending a message that will hopefully serve the US more than it serves anyone else. Like any other treaty this is a political move meant to get some other party to give us something we want..
Pretty much THIS
 
Just thought this was funny.

The NRA, of all people, has reviewed the exec order about Interpol and concluded that it's nothing to worry about.


So has Fox's panel of experts.

You know the country has gone fucking insane when those two groups specifically pass up the chance to stoke the fires.
Shit. Now I'm worried.[/QUOTE]


OMG, it's so obvious... those two are on the payroll of us socialist europeans to weaken your country (good ol' devide and conquer) so we can take over the world and give everyone universal health care... devious.
 
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Kitty Sinatra

Anyone who resists us will find themselves on our Death Lists.
 
Which will be drawn up by Death Panels...

And old people will be forced to go on Carousel... where they will be reborn as fertilizer...
 
Most I hear of Interpol is when they make another major bust all across Europe simultaneously, busting hundreds of people connected to child porn networks. I've yet to hear of Interpol ever actually interfering with any other law agency. They seem to be more like the glue that binds all of our agencies together on the larger scale, rather then going against other investigations/agencies.

Going on what's been posted in here, I can't really understand what the fuss is about.
 
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Most I hear of Interpol is when they make another major bust all across Europe simultaneously, busting hundreds of people connected to child porn networks. I've yet to hear of Interpol ever actually interfering with any other law agency. They seem to be more like the glue that binds all of our agencies together on the larger scale, rather then going against other investigations/agencies.

Going on what's been posted in here, I can't really understand what the fuss is about.
INTERPOL acts in a way to coordinate invigorations across multiple (three or more) member nations, and as a non-state bound organization, are exempt from the traditional territorial jurisdiction laws that apply to police and national security agencies. Mind you, exempt doesn't mean above. They still have to be respectful and deffer to state and local police, ect. They just act as a way for countries to grab people who may have fled to an extradition-weak place, ect.
 
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