White nationalists want to blow up the Capitol and kill as many people as possible, at or around the time of the next State of the Union.
FUCK, this is still unresolved with a few more ex-coworkers saying, "Yeah, probably."
Uh huh. And the swastika is just a good luck charm from Tibet.FIRST of all, it's actually called a "toothbrush" mustache, not a "Hitler" mustache.
Yes, and when people call all skinheads nazi's, and all toothbrush moustaches are Hitler 'staches, and everyone using the Flemish flag without the red tongue is by definition a racist, and so on and so forth, you're just quietly allowing the extremes to hijack and monopolize more and more symbols. Every symbol is being taken over, and it's a bad thing.Uh huh. And the swastika is just a good luck charm from Tibet.
Look, I know being pedantic is your thing. But sometimes when something gets associated with a certain person or event, the name gets changed. And I know you know that.
1) Language evolves, and trying to stop what is essentially a flood of people (everyone is going to call that a "Hitler mustache") using a phrase a certain way, or attaching a newer meaning to words, is foolish. At some point it just becomes pedantic to cling to the etymology.Yes, and when people call all skinheads nazi's, and all toothbrush moustaches are Hitler 'staches, and everyone using the Flemish flag without the red tongue is by definition a racist, and so on and so forth, you're just quietly allowing the extremes to hijack and monopolize more and more symbols. Every symbol is being taken over, and it's a bad thing.
I mean, to be clear, in this instance I'm 100% convinced he was trying to grow a Hitler 'stache (and failing badly). But that doesn't mean we shouldn't still try to keep our vocabulary clean.
I'm never pedantic just to be pedantic. It's always done either with humorous intent or as a genuine attempt to educate.I know being pedantic is your thing.
I've made this same argument years and years ago when people fought to keep the "hacker" term's "good" meaning, and fought to keep the term "cracker" for people who broke into systems.1) Language evolves, and trying to stop what is essentially a flood of people (everyone is going to call that a "Hitler mustache") using a phrase a certain way, or attaching a newer meaning to words, is foolish. At some point it just becomes pedantic to cling to the etymology.
I agree that the new meanings should be acknowledged, but I feel like there should be effort to revert or at least deemphasize the most egregious ones. I want them to get the "New Coke" treatment--everyone knows it happened, everyone agrees it was a bad idea, everyone went back to the "Classic" version and the "New" version, while not forgotten, was at least discontinued.I understand that there were meanings to some symbols prior to being co-opted and those meanings can still be used, but the new meanings should remain.
Which isYou can't really compare "New Coke" with "Genocide" though. I mean, it was bad, but not THAT bad.
The fact is, the horrors of the Holocaust are not likely to fade away until we are at least two generations removed from the people that experienced it. There are still people living today that lived the Holocaust, so it's best not to get "Well ACTUALLY..." about the naming of a mustache or the classical root meaning of the swastika.
Yes, some things will revert in meaning a hundred years from now, or hell, get new meanings, but I agree we can't really get pedantic about it because it disrespects the horrors those symbols still bring to living peoples nightmares.
So you are saying we shouldn't take into account the emotional sensitivity of others? It's okay to appeal to emotion, as long as the emotion actually has gravity to it, like, you know, surviving genocide.Which is 1) a purely emotional appeal which doesn't actually mean anything
You are mixing up a personal situation within only a few people are joking around and a much larger social issue. If a white woman gets upset at a dude for calling a black guy a slur on social media, even though the black guy was okay with it, does not absolve the dude from social mockery. Indeed, there would be hundreds of others in the black community ready to call the guy a dipshit. If the dude was with his friend and some white lady overheard and started yelling at them in the Rite Aid, then they can deal with that themselves.2) is.. Without wanting to be offensive, like a white Woman getting upset in the name of a black guy for a racially charged joke he was okay with.
As were some of my grandparents (Not Jewish, but fought in the wars). It's great to say "Well I know people that survived and they made jokes all the time" but that does not work for everyone. For your grandparents being able to make soap jokes, my grandfather woke up every night with PTSD from all the shit he dealt with in Czechoslovakia.My grandparents were in the war, three of them were in camps (two work, one death - he survived), my great uncle was a Jew and was one of the "lucky" ones who got released from a death camp only to be taken to a Russian Gulag, and survive that as well. Nobody made horrible camping trip / chimney / soap / etc jokes like him and my grandfather.
And there are plenty of people that say the opposite. Are we going to have to get into a fight of statistics now?3) flawed because, while there are still people alive, even so there's already plenty of people calling it overblown, fake, exaggerated, etc etc.
Symbols and understanding those symbols or the nuances of how the war went are not mutually exclusive things.Look, I'm not saying I want the toothbrush mustache to come back into fashion or anything! Heck, I said nothing this time but we can't reduce Hitler - or the nazis - to a few main symbols. I'll even go further - the fact that we reduced the nazis as a whole to "bad folks who all just want to kill all Jews with some big crosses and ugly mustaches" is a big, big problem with how we've dealt with WWII.
It's not that "some nazis weren't so bad", it's that "most nazis didn't consider themselves bad". People don't consider themselves as bad as or similar to nazis! They would never operate a gas chamber! But, 99.9% of all nazis didn't and wouldn't, either. They just created an atmosphere where others saw that as a perfectly valid solution. Modern day propaganda about Muslims and black people is already as bad as anything about Jews the nazis ever put out - and what they say about gay people could just be carbon copied. Hitlers mustache is like Trumps orangeness. It's an easy physical attribute to make fun of, but it's also something that makes him instantly recognizable. And while I'm not a fan of fake spray paint tan, I don't think being orange should suddenly man you're clearly a fascist.
That's Dee Snider, he's not gonna take it!I wasn't sure if I should put this under the Metal thread too.
Twisted Sister's Dee Snider has branded Iced Earth's Jon Schaffer a "piece of shit" and "embarrassment to the metal community" after his role in the US Capitol riot.www.nme.com