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What offends you?

Nov 18, 2011#1

Chibibar

Why does it offends you? Is it because of our upbringing? is it because the way we live our lives? or was it influence by the society we live in?

The reason I asked cause I just saw this article about a new baseball team call London Ripper

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...rs-baseball-team-name-and-logo-buzzing-in-u-s

until it was mention, I didn't think it look like Jack the Ripper

Then I got to thinking, why are people being offended by this? is there any actual link? The article did talk about baseball and play on words, but do you think the same way? Of course there are other play on words which I have post in the past (articles) that some might find offensive (I can't remember them at the time)

I didn't find it offensive maybe I have thicker skin, but do you think the people of the world today have thinner skin than before? maybe we are being bombard with so much information, we can't process it all and just make it easier to be offended than really look what it means.

Nov 18, 2011#2

GasBandit

I'm offended by people who think it's somebody else's problem that they're offended.

Nov 18, 2011#3

makare

I don't think people have a thinner skin. Groups that have gotten slammed for centuries suddenly feel they have the right and ability to stand up for themselves and that makes it seem like people are offended and complain more. Really they are just tired of bending over and taking it. Add into that the day to day fact that people feel entitled to say and do whatever the hell they want you are obviously going to step on some people's toes. Common courtesy has all but disappeared and so we end up with a lot of upset people. Then we have people who are upset because other people are upset at them.

The political correctness. the backlash to political correctness. everyone is so into their own world view they don't stop and ask, "is this making me into an asshole?" and that goes for both sides of any issue. Is saying or doing something really worth being a complete douche? Is getting upset about something someone said or did worth being a whiny jackass? These are important questions.

Nov 18, 2011#4

Chibibar

GasBandit said:
I'm offended by people who think it's somebody else's problem that they're offended.

care to elaborate? When I was growing up, there are people who are offended just because I am happy all the time at school and proceed to try to make my life miserable. There are people who are offended the type of car I drive. Should it be my problem to resolve it so they are no longer offended?

People are offended that I am part Chinese. Do I need to be genetically altered to appease them? I am not understanding your statement.

Nov 18, 2011#5

drifter

Nov 18, 2011#6

Chibibar

makare said:
I don't think people have a thinner skin. Groups that have gotten slammed for centuries suddenly feel they have the right and ability to stand up for themselves and that makes it seem like people are offended and complain more. Really they are just tired of bending over and taking it. Add into that the day to day fact that people feel entitled to say and do whatever the hell they want you are obviously going to step on some people's toes. Common courtesy has all but disappeared and so we end up with a lot of upset people. Then we have people who are upset because other people are upset at them.

The political correctness. the backlash to political correctness. everyone is so into their own world view they don't stop and ask, "is this making me into an asshole?" and that goes for both sides of any issue. Is saying or doing something really worth being a complete douche? Is getting upset about something someone said or did worth being a whiny jackass? These are important questions.

I like this. There are many times I do ask myself when I post certain things and people got offended cause I didn't think it was offensive. So I guess I might be one of the rare one who try not to be a douche, but at the same time, I am curious on why it offend people.

Nov 18, 2011#7

Biannoshufu

You do chibibar. Jesus fuck, you do

Nov 18, 2011#8

figmentPez

Chibibar said:
until it was mention, I didn't think it look like Jack the Ripper

Seriously, you don't see the comparison?

London's most famous serial killer, who is almost universally portrayed as having a black tophat and a black overcoat, and you think that a man dressed like that, called a Ripper, holding a red-tinged bat, isn't going to draw the obvious comparison?

*facepalm*

I'm not saying this is a reason to be offended, though I can't imagine why any team would want to associate themselves with a murderer.

Nov 18, 2011#9

MindDetective

Biannoshufu said:
You do chibibar. Jesus fuck, you do

Golly, you are drunk.

Nov 18, 2011#10

Chibibar

Actually I didn't. I know of Jack the Ripper (who was never ID) but then I was watching Sherlock Holmes (different version it was on cable including the recent one) and I see a lot of people wearing dark cloak and top hat. Seems to be that London people wear that.

Nov 18, 2011#11

makare

You are good people Chibi.

Nov 18, 2011#12

GasBandit

Chibibar said:
care to elaborate? When I was growing up, there are people who are offended just because I am happy all the time at school and proceed to try to make my life miserable. There are people who are offended the type of car I drive. Should it be my problem to resolve it so they are no longer offended?

People are offended that I am part Chinese. Do I need to be genetically altered to appease them? I am not understanding your statement.

... that's... not what it means to be offended. You can't be offended that someone IS of mixed heritage. "Your very existence offends me" is something even a supervillain would only say if he was incredibly high.

Actions can offend. Statements can offend. I suppose if you drive a hummer, that might offend somebody... but what I'm saying is that even if they are offended, tough shit for them. There's no "right" to not be offended. If I want to take a religious symbol and put it in a mason jar full of piss and charge admission to look at it, it will offend millions of people, and... tough shit. If I specifically post a video online full of trite stereotypes and insulting dialogue, it will undoubtedly offend a number of people. Too bad for them.

My point is there are too many people who believe that being offended by something entitles them to some manner of reparation. It doesn't. Now, if say a company does something that offends so many people that they lose business and go into bankruptcy... then that's just nature taking its course.

Nov 18, 2011#13

Charlie Don't Surf

American exceptionalism.

Nov 18, 2011#14

Biannoshufu

MindDetective said:
Golly, you are drunk.

He mangles English AND Chinese. It's just annoying as fuck. Plus he knows I hate him, and apparently he loves me for this.

Nov 18, 2011#15

Chibibar

Biannoshufu said:
He mangles English AND Chinese. It's just annoying as fuck. Plus he knows I hate him, and apparently he loves me for this.

yup

I can't really bring myself to hate people. If I do, then I am no better than the people in my past who hurt me.

Nov 18, 2011#16

Biannoshufu

Chibibar said:
yup I can't really bring myself to hate people. If I do, then I am no better than the people in my past who hurt me.

WHY U NO SPEAK ENGLISH OR CHINESE WELL?

Nov 18, 2011#17

GasBandit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
American exceptionalism.

Ha ha ha! Every day, I become a little more convinced charlie's just somebody's alt to cartoon a stereotype.

Nov 18, 2011#18

strawman

Centipedes offend me.

I can handle spiders, wasps, ants, millipedes, and all other manner of creeping thing.

But centipedes are revolting.

I catch and release or squish them (lo! I am your angel of death! Behold, I can preserve your life, or take it upon my whim!) just like any other bug, but they give me the willies all the same.

Nov 18, 2011#19

Chibibar

Biannoshufu said:
WHY U NO SPEAK ENGLISH OR CHINESE WELL?

cause I'm a broken Asian

When I came back from Thailand, I spoke Thai and Cantonese. My stepdad didn't like that so forbid me to converse it with my sister. My mom and stepdad only spoke Mandarin. I was not allow to speak that either. I grew up learning English from ESL, Cantonese/Mandarin/English subtitles movies and Television. I guess my brain got wired incorrectly. The only way I was able to pass required English courses (and my BS degree on computer science. ) was to write at least x10 on the paper and have like 3-4 people proof read it.

Sadly, the way I type is how I speak

I guess that would offend people too.

Nov 18, 2011#20

figmentPez

Chibibar said:
Actually I didn't. I know of Jack the Ripper (who was never ID) but then I was watching Sherlock Holmes (different version it was on cable including the recent one) and I see a lot of people wearing dark cloak and top hat. Seems to be that London people wear that.

It's not just the clothes. It's the name Jack as a mascot for the Rippers in London, who is wearing those clothes, holding a red bat and has a shadowy, evil glare. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to make the connection. I don't care if the ripper was never identified. The fictional character built-up around the murders certainly has a trend when it comes to the appearance, and even disregarding appearance, the name, demeanor and red-tinged bat are more than enough to draw obvious comparisons. Either every single person who worked on this team name and mascot is monumentally stupid and didn't even think to do a Google search, or they think the public is a bunch of morons who will buy their claims that "we didn't know, it was unintentional." (Which may well be true.)

Actually, I'm taking it back, this is reason to be offended. Not because some sports team chose Jack the Ripper for their mascot, but because someone thinks I'm stupid enough to believe them when they say that there's no connection between "Diamdond Jack" and Jack the Ripper. Yes, that is an offense to my intelligence, and I find it unpleasant.

Nov 18, 2011#21

GasBandit

From the link -

Limbaugh said he found the logo and name funny.

“Why am I laughing,” he asked in his daily broadcast on Thursday. “Look, I admire creativity, and I admire crossing the line. I love offending people when it’s genuinely funny. I just do. Look, people are so wound up, so tightly wound just waiting to be offended. I love to give ‘em what they want. They want to be offended, fine and dandy with me.”

That's a great way to put it.

But I agree that pretending to not see Jack the Ripper in that logo is an insult to the intelligence of anyone to which you make that claim. But that still doesn't mean the offended are entitled to anything.

Nov 18, 2011#22

Biannoshufu

Chibibar said:
cause I'm a broken Asian When I came back from Thailand, I spoke Thai and Cantonese. My stepdad didn't like that so forbid me to converse it with my sister. My mom and stepdad only spoke Mandarin. I was not allow to speak that either. I grew up learning English from ESL, Cantonese/Mandarin/English subtitles movies and Television. I guess my brain got wired incorrectly. The only way I was able to pass required English courses (and my BS degree on computer science. ) was to write at least x10 on the paper and have like 3-4 people proof read it.

Sadly, the way I type is how I speak I guess that would offend people too.

aww you poor baby. Shut up, stop blaming things on your past, get off your ass and improve.

Nov 18, 2011#23

Charlie Don't Surf

is there a school house rock on subject/verb agreement to which we can send him

Nov 18, 2011#24

Chibibar

Biannoshufu said:
aww you poor baby. Shut up, stop blaming things on your past, get off your ass and improve.

I am trying to improve

I do take occasional English courses and do buy books on how to write/speak better, but for some reason it is not sinking in. You be surprise how many grammar book I have in my house.

I am sorry I offended you. I am trying to be better, maybe it is the lack of motivation or something. I guess I shall take my leave for a bit and come back when I am better.

Nov 18, 2011#25

Cajungal

Really excessive PDA offends me very much. I think that hugging and kissing in public is very sweet, but I have to turn away quickly when it gets too tongue-y. Hell, when I was still living at my parents, I used to have these friends over to swim in our pool all the time.. Well, one time, they just started full-on making out in front of me, and when she would sit on the steps and talk to him, her legs were wide open and he was just kind of staring at her private area. Come on, really? You are a guest in my home.

It's one of those lines that can be very hard to define (not so much in that above situation), but once it's crossed, I can't be around that person til they're done with their little mating dance. Luckily, I have a neck that moves, so it's easy enough to solve my problem.

I'm also greatly offended by people who seem proud of their ignorance... like not knowing means that they automatically possess some sort of homespun wisdom that I'll never understand. Kind of shits on all the work I've put into improving myself as a person.

Nov 18, 2011#26

Piotyr

I get offended by people who won't offer others a token level of respect when they don't know anything about them, or the benefit of any doubt when they do.

Nov 18, 2011#27

Bowielee

Ok, I get sick and tired of this whole "people don't have the right not to be offended" bullshit defense people come up with when they want to simply hurt or demean others.

My government teacher in high school used to say that in america, you have the right to wave your fist around all you want, but the moment that fist hits someone, your rights end and that person's rights begin.

When you use hatespeach and hurtful language, that's in many cases even more damaging that physical attacks.

I can see the point of political correctness gone insane in people being endlessly cencored over the smallest slights, but there's also a VERY serious side to it as well.

To be completely dismissive and deny any responsibility for your own words and actions is, well, pretty ignorant.

Nov 18, 2011#28

SeraRelm

I'm offended by letters/numbers.

Nov 18, 2011#29

GasBandit

Bowielee said:
Ok, I get sick and tired of this whole "people don't have the right not to be offended" bullshit defense people come up with when they want to simply hurt or demean others.

My government teacher in high school used to say that in america, you have the right to wave your fist around all you want, but the moment that fist hits someone, your rights end and that person's rights begin.

When you use hatespeach and hurtful language, that's in many cases even more damaging that physical attacks.

I can see the point of political correctness gone insane in people being endlessly cencored over the smallest slights, but there's also a VERY serious side to it as well.

To be completely dismissive and deny any responsibility for your own words and actions is, well, pretty ignorant.

Absolutely not. You have no right to not be offended. And frankly, "hatespeech" is bullshit too. And you know what else is bullshit? You're bullshit. You. You're a pathetic, weak, brainless, helpless, hopeless, nutless, spineless, insipid excuse for a human being, which is already a pretty pathetic and detestable thing to be just from a starting point. You find me offensive, I find you offensive, and I'm going to do my damndest to offend you at every opportunity. And there's nothing you can do about it, you dickless shitburger.

Except, you know... remember that you don't have to listen to me. That my influence into your life goes away the instant you want it to, with the click of a mouse, or the close of a door, of the flip of a switch. There IS a limit to free speech (for instance, shouting fire in a crowded theater), but you know what? Even Westboro Baptist can carry signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS" and "THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS" and it is their right.

Your hurt feelings are nobody's concern but yours. And I'll close with the standard Halforums boilerplate - Man up, and therapy.

Nov 18, 2011#30

Charlie Don't Surf

the phrase "Man up"

Nov 18, 2011#31

Biannoshufu

Remember when gas bandit was relevant? Man I kinda miss those days

Nov 18, 2011#32

GasBandit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
the phrase "Man up"

Man up, nancy.

Nov 18, 2011#33

Cajungal

Charlie Don't Surf said:
the phrase "Man up"

Oh, grow a pair! ... :awesome:

Nov 18, 2011#34

HCGLNS

Charlie Don't Surf said:
the phrase "Man up"

"Nut it up Buttercup."

Nov 18, 2011#35

Bowielee

Gas Bandit, I really can't believe that you're really that either naive or stupid to actually believe that.

I do credit you with a modicum of intelligence.

I'm sick of people hiding behind the excuse that words mean nothing and that you can just walk away, etc...

A) that's not always the case

B) the burden of responsibility is not on the listener, but on the speaker. Sure, you can spout whatever you want, but that doesn't make it right, or in some cases, even legal.

Nov 18, 2011#36

sixpackshaker

Cajungal said:
Oh, grow a pair! ...

Some one told me that at a party, the weekend after I finished my chemo...

I said, "That's the problem, they don't grow back."

Nov 18, 2011#37

Cajungal

sixpackshaker said:
Some one told me that at a party, the weekend after I finished my chemo...

I said, "That's the problem, they don't grow back."

Oho damn! Did they know?...

Nov 18, 2011#38

sixpackshaker

Cajungal said:
Oho damn! Did they know?...

No, she did not.

Nov 18, 2011#39

Cajungal

I would have felt so small.

Nov 18, 2011#40

GasBandit

Bowielee said:
Gas Bandit, I really can't believe that you're really that either naive or stupid to actually believe that.

I do credit you with a modicum of intelligence.

I'm sick of people hiding behind the excuse that words mean nothing and that you can just walk away, etc...

A) that's not always the case

B) the burden of responsibility is not on the listener, but on the speaker. Sure, you can spout whatever you want, but that doesn't make it right, or in some cases, even legal.

Of course words have meaning. Otherwise they would just be noise. That doesn't mean they automatically have impact. That's why salesmanship is a skill. I can shout "BUY THIS" at spittle-flecking levels straight into your face all day and it won't make you buy anything. Similarly, I can spew a string of invective at you in halforums post 884784 without making you actually reassess your self-worth. I do not have any sort of legal or even moral obligation to make sure I don't offend you. Of course, I have to accept the natural consequences of giving offense - I may have friends (not here obviously, lol) that might stop being my friend if I start parading around in public with a westboro slogan on a sign. I might experience shops or restaurants that exercise their reserved rights to refuse service. I might get fired. But unless I am directly, overly intimidating you, or conspiring to cause you actual harm (Don't worry, dive right in, I filled the pool! Honest!), you cannot criminalize my freedom of expression.

This warped mentality is yet another symptom of the serial emasculation of our society and culture. Screw it, just copy and paste the "Dicks fuck assholes" speech here from team america. It's 6:30, I'm going home.

Nov 18, 2011#41

Bowielee

GasBandit said:
Of course words have meaning. Otherwise they would just be noise. That doesn't mean they automatically have impact. That's why salesmanship is a skill. I can shout "BUY THIS" at spittle-flecking levels straight into your face all day and it won't make you buy anything. Similarly, I can spew a string of invective at you in halforums post 884784 without making you actually reassess your self-worth. I do not have any sort of legal or even moral obligation to make sure I don't offend you. Of course, I have to accept the natural consequences of giving offense - I may have friends (not here obviously, lol) that might stop being my friend if I start parading around in public with a westboro slogan on a sign. I might experience shops or restaurants that exercise their reserved rights to refuse service. I might get fired. But unless I am directly, overly intimidating you, or conspiring to cause you actual harm (Don't worry, dive right in, I filled the pool! Honest!), you cannot criminalize my freedom of expression.

This warped mentality is yet another symptom of the serial emasculation of our society and culture. Screw it, just copy and paste the "Dicks fuck assholes" speech here from team america. It's 6:30, I'm going home.

By your warped mentality, sexual harrassment in the workplace is A OK, bullying in schools is completely acceptable, and verbal abuse is hunky dory.

Got it, now I know where you're coming from.

Nov 18, 2011#42

Hailey Knight

This topic offends me.

I think some people are thin-skinned; other people get a little premature ejaculation in their pants when they get to offend someone else and will say whatever they think will get them that little bit of glee.

Nov 18, 2011#43

makare

While they are both annoying I prefer the overly touchy people who get offended over nothing to those who cloak theselves in the fallacy that to be offensive is somehow to be intellectually superior. Cry babies are annoying. Assholes are intolerable.

If you know what you are saying is going to hurt people, you say it anyway then sure they are responsible for their feelings but you are still an asshole. Taking pride in being an asshole is pathetic. It is only funny when you are Denis Leary's stage persona.

Nov 18, 2011#44

strawman

Cajungal said:
Oh, grow a pair! ...

What would I do with four?

I mean, besides walk funny?

Nov 18, 2011#45

Hailey Knight

stienman said:
What would I do with four?

I mean, besides walk funny?

Have more children?

Nov 18, 2011#46

Tress

Quotemander Prime said:
Have more children?

I'm pretty sure that's going to happen one way or the other.

Nov 18, 2011#47

strawman

Now that I think about it, I've helped my wife grow 6 pair.

Now that I think about it further, only women can grow testicles.

I'm not woman enough to grow a pair...

Nov 18, 2011#48

DarkAudit

Charlie. You can't be thin-skinned when there is no skin to be thin.

Nov 18, 2011#49

Jay

Honestly? People who play with their iPhones/Blackberries while in a social environment.

Nov 18, 2011#50

fade

I am offended by any slight to my intelligence. I won't lie. I grew up a nerdy, gangly kid, and it was the only point of pride I had for a long time. I got older, stronger, and somewhat less gangly, but you can't lose something so ingrained. I do get stupid about it, and start to defend things I don't even believe if someone says I'm wrong. It's childish, and I'm trying to get better. There's a guy here at work who chooses the self-effacing route instead, and it makes him more likable and it makes him come across as smarter even if we say the same thing.

Nov 18, 2011#51

Biannoshufu

fade said:
I am offended by any slight to my intelligence. I won't lie. I grew up a nerdy, gangly kid, and it was the only point of pride I had for a long time. I got older, stronger, and somewhat less gangly, but you can't lose something so ingrained. I do get stupid about it, and start to defend things I don't even believe if someone says I'm wrong. It's childish, and I'm trying to get better. There's a guy here at work who chooses the self-effacing route instead, and it makes him more likable and it makes him come across as smarter even if we say the same thing.

signature.

Nov 18, 2011#52

Krisken

makare said:
While they are both annoying I prefer the overly touchy people who get offended over nothing to those who cloak theselves in the fallacy that to be offensive is somehow to be intellectually superior. Cry babies are annoying. Assholes are intolerable.

If you know what you are saying is going to hurt people, you say it anyway then sure they are responsible for their feelings but you are still an asshole. Taking pride in being an asshole is pathetic. It is only funny when you are Denis Leary's stage persona.

And even then he only has a career because there is no cure for cancer.

Nov 18, 2011#53

SeraRelm

I'm also offended by extremists.

Nov 19, 2011#54

Cajungal

stienman said:
What would I do with four?

I mean, besides walk funny?

Attract lots of attention at the stall? Guys like that, right?

Nov 19, 2011#55

Bowielee

Just to clarify, and Makare said it way more tactfully than I did, I am thick skinned. I'm a gay guy who is eyeball deep in gaming culture. You have to be otherwise I would have quit online gaming years ago.

What I can't stand is the people who try to put some sort of patriotic/freedom of speech bullshit to justify their behavior as a jerk. Especially when they're all hypocritical about it and get all defensive as soon as you say something they disagree with.

In GB's defense however, he does let it be known well in advance that he is generally trying to be an asshole, so I can at least respect the honesty. I'd rather have someone be out and out rude to me than be a condescending dick.

Nov 19, 2011#56

Biannoshufu

Gasbandit offends anyway he can in a dire effort to somehow be relevant. He hasn't really said anything truly offensive in years. But he makes me giggle

Nov 19, 2011#57

Terrik

I was going to say ignorance offends me, but I suppose I'm guilty of that sin, often letting my own biases get in the way of valid points. So essentially, I offend myself.

Nov 19, 2011#58

Charlie Don't Surf

Jay said:
Honestly? People who play with their iPhones/Blackberries while in a social environment.

I gotta agree. I only JUST recently got my first smartphone, but I have had a couple of instances at dinner with friends where I'm like... trying not to be a super jerk, but all but snapping my fingers in front of them "HEY LET'S TALK DON'T COMMENT ON MY G+ FROM HOURS AGO HELLO"

Nov 19, 2011#59

Terrik

It's even worse if they're simply pretending to be busy on their phone.

Nov 19, 2011#60

Null

I am more offended by the Kardashians and their ilk, than I am by comic sans.

Nov 19, 2011#61

Hailey Knight

Bowielee said:
Just to clarify, and Makare said it way more tactfully than I did, I am thick skinned. I'm a gay guy who is eyeball deep in gaming culture. You have to be otherwise I would have quit online gaming years ago.

I'm not a gay guy and I couldn't stand being on X-Box Live for more than 15 minutes.

Nov 19, 2011#62

North_Ranger

Just look at any pissing contest I've had with Chaz and you know

Though I like to think I've mellowed out lately.

Nov 20, 2011#63

Tress

It looks like this thread scared Chibi off. Kinda harsh.

Nov 20, 2011#64

David

Jay said:
Honestly? People who play with their iPhones/Blackberries while in a social environment.

The reverse of that, people who come up and try to socialize with me when I was doing something on my iPod first. You wouldn't interrupt somebody talking on the phone, why would you interrupt somebody while they're texting?

Nov 20, 2011#65

makare

hmm i dont really get that one David. you dont talk to people on the phone because they are already speaking with someone else. Texting is pretty easy to stop and start.

Nov 20, 2011#66

Krisken

Plus, bitches love texting.

Nov 20, 2011#67

David

Maybe I use texting for deeper conversations then most people. For the reasons Jay stated, I'm the one who looks like the jerk if I don't stop responding to the phone conversation I was in the middle of first.

Nov 20, 2011#68

Hailey Knight

I think texting is easy to stop and start if you're one of those people who's doing the rude shit mentioned in this thread, messing around with your phone while talking to others. If I want to talk to people, I tell them to hang on a second if I'm in the middle of texting because I want to get the texting done with and give them my full attention. I only continue doing something/busying myself if I don't actually want to converse or if their conversation is secondary to what I'm doing.

Which is still rude.

Nov 20, 2011#69

Cajungal

I don't usually send chatty texts... it's mostly information I need someone to get very soon. It all depends on the level of importance. If I know the person I'm texting doesn't need me to respond right away, I'll save it, but if I need a minute, I'll tell the person trying to talk to me. I'm not offended if someone tries to interrupt a text, though.

Nov 20, 2011#70

SeraRelm

Texting is so old school though.

Nov 20, 2011#71

Officer_Charon

Cher Ami?

Nov 20, 2011#72

Null

Officer_Charon said:
Cher Ami?

What, we're sharing who now?

Nov 20, 2011#73

makare

one of the things i like best about my group of friends is no one gets offended if we text while talking. Well actually the only person I know who gets upset about it is my mom because she is convinced I am talking about her. When my friends and I are at lunch or whatever we are usually talking to each other and also texting... well whomever it is we are texting. I am glad they are so relaxed about it.

Nov 20, 2011#74

Officer_Charon

Null said:
What, we're sharing who now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cher_Ami

Nov 20, 2011#75

makare

aw i was hoping for a better response o_c

Nov 20, 2011#76

BananaHands

Hipsters.

Hate 'em.

Nov 20, 2011#77

Null

Coo.

Nov 20, 2011#78

BananaHands

Although some of them are cute and into nerdy things. But sometimes they're into nerdy things just to be into nerdy things. And that offends me.

Nov 20, 2011#79

Null

So what's with the hats?

Nov 20, 2011#80

BananaHands

dunno.

Nov 20, 2011#81

makare

LMAO

Nov 20, 2011#82

Null

That actually doesn't look that bad.

Nov 20, 2011#83

makare

It's ugly hat themed week.

Nov 20, 2011#84

strawman

Null said:
So what's with the hats?

It's explained here:

https://www.halforums.com/threads/the-random-crap-thread-2-it-hits-the-fan.22170/page-67#post-884829

Nov 20, 2011#85

Hailey Knight

stienman said:
It's explained here:

https://www.halforums.com/threads/the-random-crap-thread-2-it-hits-the-fan.22170/page-67#post-884829

Madness.

Nov 20, 2011#86

Krisken

I wonder how many threads he can link together.

Nov 20, 2011#87

DarkAudit

(too lazy to make a link ALL the threads! macro)

Nov 20, 2011#88

Null

stienman said:
It's explained here:

https://www.halforums.com/threads/the-random-crap-thread-2-it-hits-the-fan.22170/page-67#post-884829

I know, I just had to continue the trend.

Nov 21, 2011#89

GasBandit

I don't know about being nasty as a way to "stay relevant." I don't even know what that would mean in an open forum context. It sounds like cliquespeak to me.

Bowielee said:
By your warped mentality, sexual harrassment in the workplace is A OK, bullying in schools is completely acceptable, and verbal abuse is hunky dory.

Got it, now I know where you're coming from.

No, those are different situations. The first you can't get away from without incurring substantial hardship (though I do think there's more wolf-crying in that area than anyone wants to admit). The second is children, in which developmental instruction is too important for them to be left to find their own way (which would most likely end up recreating lord of the flies anyway). The third entirely depends on context.

But none of that is what this thread, this question is about. If your boss sexually harasses you, you aren't just offended by it, you are intimidated, shamed, maybe even violated. If you are bullied, you aren't offended by it, you are intimidated, shamed, maybe even physically harmed.

The difference is this - if we're out in public and you wear a shirt I find offensive, I don't have a right to make you take it off. I don't have a right to have the government force you to take it off, or punish you for it. And if I confront you and tell you, "I am offended by your shirt," you would be completely within bounds to say, "so, what?"

But too many people think they have a right to never, ever be offended.

Nov 21, 2011#90

Null

GasBandit said:

Alright then.

Nov 21, 2011#91

GasBandit

I have no idea what that jibbering hooligan is going on about.

Nov 21, 2011#92

Null

GasBandit said:
I have no idea what that jibbering hooligan is going on about.

Nov 21, 2011#93

Bowielee

GasBandit said:
I don't know about being nasty as a way to "stay relevant." I don't even know what that would mean in an open forum context. It sounds like cliquespeak to me.

No, those are different situations. The first you can't get away from without incurring substantial hardship (though I do think there's more wolf-crying in that area than anyone wants to admit). The second is children, in which developmental instruction is too important for them to be left to find their own way (which would most likely end up recreating lord of the flies anyway). The third entirely depends on context.

But none of that is what this thread, this question is about. If your boss sexually harasses you, you aren't just offended by it, you are intimidated, shamed, maybe even violated. If you are bullied, you aren't offended by it, you are intimidated, shamed, maybe even physically harmed.

The difference is this - if we're out in public and you wear a shirt I find offensive, I don't have a right to make you take it off. I don't have a right to have the government force you to take it off, or punish you for it. And if I confront you and tell you, "I am offended by your shirt," you would be completely within bounds to say, "so, what?"

But too many people think they have a right to never, ever be offended.

Your quote that set me off is that "hatespeech" doesn't exist. That just isn't the case. If someone calls me a fag at work. THAT is sexual harrassment, and it is hatespeech. And the person saying it should be fired faster than his head can spin.

Basically, you can't deal in absolutes, because nothing is absolute. There's a major difference between being a douche and being hateful and actively abusive.

Nov 21, 2011#94

GasBandit

Bowielee said:
Your quote that set me off is that "hatespeech" doesn't exist. That just isn't the case. If someone calls me a fag at work. THAT is sexual harrassment, and it is hatespeech. And the person saying it should be fired faster than his head can spin.

Basically, you can't deal in absolutes, because nothing is absolute. There's a major difference between being a douche and being hateful and actively abusive.

Above emphasis mine. That is sexual harrasment. He should be fired. But "hatespeech" is used so very, very far outside that context as well. It's definition is nebulous, except it seems to only favor "progressive" interpretation. IE - it's not "hatespeech" to call someone an inbred redneck. But it is "hatespeech" when Rush Limbaugh says the sports media goes easier on Donovan McNabb because they want to see a (rare) black quarterback do well.
It often ceases being anything other than a perjorative to describe any expressed thought or opinion that disagrees with the people who push "political correctness." The term "hatespeech" is downright Orwellian. Sort of like "hate crime." It's double plus ungood.

Nov 21, 2011#95

Null

Or, you know, it's racist, sexist, or in other words, bigoted.

Nov 21, 2011#96

GasBandit

Null said:
Or, you know, it's racist, sexist, or in other words, bigoted.

Or, you know, it's not, and there are people who are looking for excuses to "get offended."

Nov 21, 2011#97

makare

Lol Orwell ref is the new Hitler ref.

Hate speech and Hate crimes have actual meaning within the law.

hate speech. (1988) Speech that carries no meaning other than the expression of hatred for some group, such as a particular race, esp. in circumstances in which the communication is likely to provoke violence.

hate crime. (1984) A crime motivated by the victim's race, color, ethnicity, religion, or national origin. • Certain groups have lobbied to expand the definition by statute to include a crime motivated by the victim's disability, gender, or sexual orientation.

Straight outta Black's yo.

Nov 21, 2011#98

GasBandit

makare said:
Lol Orwell ref is the new Hitler ref.

Hate speech and Hate crimes have actual meaning within the law.

hate speech. (1988) Speech that carries no meaning other than the expression of hatred for some group, such as a particular race, esp. in circumstances in which the communication is likely to provoke violence.

hate crime. (1984) A crime motivated by the victim's race, color, ethnicity, religion, or national origin. • Certain groups have lobbied to expand the definition by statute to include a crime motivated by the victim's disability, gender, or sexual orientation.

Straight outta Black's yo.

And yet they're used for so much more than that. When Limbaugh made that comment, he was commenting on the tendencies of journalists, not maligning McNabb based upon his race. But it doesn't matter to the professionally offended.

Nov 21, 2011#99

Null

Right, because there's nothing racist about saying "(whatever)... because he's black." Whether it's "Well, obvious he has a drug problem because he's black" or "The press views him positively because he's black". The press isn't nice to Donovan McNabb because he's usually media-friendly and cooperative, they're not nice to him because the fans love him. According to Rush, it's "because he's [a] black [quarterback]". And that's racist. And if I have to explain why that's racist, or why it's a bad thing, there is no point in discussing anything with you, ever.

Nov 21, 2011#100

GasBandit

Null said:
Right, because there's nothing racist about saying "(whatever)... because he's black."

So would you say that the statement "our affirmative action quotas are not met, and we should hire this less qualified person because he's black" is one that indicates a racist agenda? Or what about "he understands the plight of the underclass better because he's black" then? These are common items that get a pass because they favor "progressive" thought processes.

But to put it in simpler terms for you: Limbaugh was calling the sports media racist.

The fact of the matter is that the term hate speech, in addition to describing makare's book-delved definition, is also used as an accusation that the accuser wants to have so much gravity from the mere accusation in and of itself to silence dissent and end discussion.

Nov 21, 2011#101

sixpackshaker

The fans love McNabb? Philly Phans hated him. They booed him when he was drafted and booed him nearly every game...

It was just sad that he was the best thing to ever hit that team.

Nov 21, 2011#102

GasBandit

Null said:
there is no point in discussing anything with you, ever.

You edited your post while I was submitting mine, but whatever. The real reason there's no discussing anything with me, ever, is because you're one of the professionally (or perhaps even recreationally) offended. You will never allow any fact to stand that robs you of your license to white-knight.

And apparently you know very little about football, too.

Nov 21, 2011#103

makare

Gas do you understand the concepts of positive and negative?

Nov 21, 2011#104

GasBandit

makare said:
Gas do you understand the concepts of positive and negative?

Do you understand that they have no bearing on this topic?

Nov 21, 2011#105

Null

So, he was calling them racist, by being racist himself. Cool.

Nov 21, 2011#106

Charlie Don't Surf

Stop defending Rush Limbaugh

Nov 21, 2011#107

makare

GasBandit said:
Do you understand that they have no bearing on this topic?

It absolutely has bearing on this topic.

Nov 21, 2011#108

GasBandit

Null said:
So, he was calling them racist, by being racist himself. Cool.

And now you're being a racist for calling him a racist for calling them a racist? That's how your logic works, right?

Nov 21, 2011#109

makare

I would call you something here but it isn't racist.

Nov 21, 2011#110

GasBandit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
Stop defending Rush Limbaugh

STFU Charlie

makare said:
It absolutely has bearing on this topic.

I know where you're going with it, and no, it doesn't. But by all means, let's go through the motions once again, and have a discussion that's 9 pages long to come right back around to basically be summarized by post 885728.

Nov 21, 2011#111

Null

You know Gas, it's not that certain views are or aren't favored over others. It's not that some people are or aren't easily offended. It's that basically, you want to be a complete and utter asshole, and not get called on it. Maybe you think that makes you a strong individualist - since you seem to refer to people who disagree as being a "clique". Perhaps it's even your way of trying to stand out. But it doesn't make you interesting, it just makes you unpleasant.

Nov 21, 2011#112

GasBandit

Null said:
You know Gas, it's not that certain views are or aren't favored over others. It's not that some people are or aren't easily offended. It's that basically, you want to be a complete and utter asshole, and not get called on it. Maybe you think that makes you a strong individualist - since you seem to refer to people who disagree as being a "clique". Perhaps it's even your way of trying to stand out. But it doesn't make you interesting, it just makes you unpleasant.

Flattery will get you nowhere. The only time I used the word "clique" was when someone made reference to my being "relevant," which was a fancy way of attempting an exclusion - which is what a clique does.

Yes, I'm unpleasant. I'm the first to own up to it... but you know what else is frequently (almost USUALLY) unpleasant?

The cold, bare, unskewed truth.

YES, it is my right to be an asshole. But it is not my right to make you associate with me. If you feel so strongly about it, don't associate with me - or, if you REALLY feel like I'm beyond the pale, report my posts and get me banned. Those are all perfectly normal responses. But when you start throwing around abused terms like "hatespeech" or acting like I have a legal obligation to not be offensive, that makes you worse than an asshole - it makes you the warm, velvet glove of crowdsourced authoritarian intolerance.

Nov 21, 2011#113

Adammon

GasBandit said:
Flattery will get you nowhere. The only time I used the word "clique" was when someone made reference to my being "relevant," which was a fancy way of attempting an exclusion - which is what a clique does.

Yes, I'm unpleasant. I'm the first to own up to it... but you know what else is frequently (almost USUALLY) unpleasant?

The cold, bare, unskewed truth.

YES, it is my right to be an asshole. But it is not my right to make you associate with me. If you feel so strongly about it, don't associate with me - or, if you REALLY feel like I'm beyond the pale, report my posts and get me banned. Those are all perfectly normal responses. But when you start throwing around abused terms like "hatespeech" or acting like I have a legal obligation to not be offensive, that makes you worse than an asshole - it makes you the warm, velvet glove of crowdsourced authoritarian intolerance.

Of all the internet "conservatives" I run into, you are far, far from the least tolerable. FAR.

Nov 21, 2011#114

GasBandit

Adammon said:
Of all the internet "conservatives" I run into, you are far, far from the least tolerable. FAR.

That's because they're "conservatives" in quotes. I can't stand those tards either.

Nov 21, 2011#115

makare

The truth is usually pretty awesome.

Nov 21, 2011#116

Espy

Bad coffee.

Also, Coldplay.

Nov 21, 2011#117

fade

In this thread, I learned that calling someone racist makes you a racist.

Nov 21, 2011#118

makare

might want to study harder fade.

Nov 21, 2011#119

Adammon

GasBandit said:
That's because they're "conservatives" in quotes. I can't stand those tards either.

FreeRepublic is pretty conservative.

Nov 21, 2011#120

GasBandit

Adammon said:
FreeRepublic is pretty conservative.

Pretty "conservative." It's basically the dark mirror of moveon.org: restless, irritated, not-quite-thought out political hackery.

These guys think they're conservative... they're all about individual rights, until someone else isn't living up to their standard of morality, and then all of a sudden "we need to ban the gays."

The litmus test for me, is when someone claims to be a conservative based on social issues, or at the very least aren't willing to let go of their social "conservatism" hangups for the sake of fiscal conservatism.

I suppose you could say there are professionally offended right-wingers, too. Most of them wield their religion like a cudgel.

Nov 21, 2011#121

Charlie Don't Surf

lol @ comparing freerepublic to moveon.org

Nov 21, 2011#122

fade

makare said:
might want to study harder fade.

I did before I posted that, in fact. I looked up the definitions of "racism", "racist", "bigot", and "bigotry" in the M-W online dictionary. Not one of those applies to accusing another party of making claims on the basis of race. It may be wrong, factually incorrect, annoying, rude behavior. But not racist.

Nov 21, 2011#123

makare

I meant study the actual thread fade

Nov 21, 2011#124

GasBandit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
lol @ comparing freerepublic to moveon.org

STFU Charlie

fade said:
I did before I posted that, in fact. I looked up the definitions of "racism", "racist", "bigot", and "bigotry" in the M-W online dictionary. Not one of those applies to accusing another party of making claims on the basis of race. It may be wrong, factually incorrect, annoying, rude behavior. But not racist.

Rush Limbaugh will no doubt be relieved to hear of his internet vindication.

Nov 21, 2011#125

Charlie Don't Surf

free republic is a cesspool of virulent racist scum

Nov 21, 2011#126

GasBandit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
free republic is a cesspool of virulent racist scum

So is moveon, and so is newsmax, and so often is huffpo, and on and on and on.

Whups. I meant:
STFU Charlie

Nov 21, 2011#127

Adammon

GasBandit said:
Pretty "conservative." It's basically the dark mirror of moveon.org: restless, irritated, not-quite-thought out political hackery.

These guys think they're conservative... they're all about individual rights, until someone else isn't living up to their standard of morality, and then all of a sudden "we need to ban the gays."

The litmus test for me, is when someone claims to be a conservative based on social issues, or at the very least aren't willing to let go of their social "conservatism" hangups for the sake of fiscal conservatism.

I suppose you could say there are professionally offended right-wingers, too. Most of them wield their religion like a cudgel.

You should read the Canadian version: freedominion.ca. While they're fighting the good fight regarding internet censorship, they've driven away nearly every person who read the site and they've been reduced to maybe a dozen posters. Almost sad.

Nov 21, 2011#128

Charlie Don't Surf

I will check out the Canadian version while I'm not at work since I don't want to get flagged for looking at a racist website

edit: forgot I had a smartphone, one sec

edit2: took me two minutes to find a post saying all muslims should go back to Saudi Arabia

Nov 21, 2011#129

strawman

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I will check out the Canadian version while I'm not at work since I don't want to get flagged for looking at a racist website

edit: forgot I had a smartphone, one sec

edit2: took me two minutes to find a post saying all muslims should go back to Saudi Arabia

Two minutes? That's pretty slow, Charlie.

What color is your smartphone?

:awesome:

Nov 21, 2011#130

Charlie Don't Surf

stienman said:
Two minutes? That's pretty slow, Charlie.

What color is your smartphone?

White

Nov 21, 2011#131

BananaHands

Racists!? I hate racists...

The only thing I hate more than racists are spics.

Nov 24, 2011#132

makare

Nov 24, 2011#133

ElJuski

You guys still get wayyyy too upset with the dumb bullshit Gas spews on a daily basis.
Added at: 17:58

BananaHands said:
Racists!? I hate racists...
The only thing I hate more than racists are spics.

DAS RACIST
Added at: 17:59

Nov 24, 2011#134

Jay

GasBandit said:
So would you say that the statement "our affirmative action quotas are not met, and we should hire this less qualified person because he's black" is one that indicates a racist agenda? Or what about "he understands the plight of the underclass better because he's black" then? These are common items that get a pass because they favor "progressive" thought processes.

But to put it in simpler terms for you: Limbaugh was calling the sports media racist.

The fact of the matter is that the term hate speech, in addition to describing makare's book-delved definition, is also used as an accusation that the accuser wants to have so much gravity from the mere accusation in and of itself to silence dissent and end discussion.

Nov 24, 2011#135

PatrThom

Put this off so I could have enough time to sit and compose a real post. Also, IBL.

What offends me?

-People who set their minds to "read-only." Things change. If you are unwilling or unable to adjust your views to match the ebb and flow of reality, you seriously need to die so there will be more resources left for the rest of us.

-The entitlement over-justifiers. The ones who take an extra cupcake at lunch because the cat pissed in their shoes that morning, or who take up 4 parking spaces because they don't want anyone else to park too close. You don't deserve it, now cut it out.

-People who latch onto eye-rollingly paranoid "conspiracies." For instance, there are people who are upset that February was chosen as Black History month because (and I'm not making this up) the Black Man gets short-changed since it is the shortest month of the year. Also, Holocaust deniers. It happened, no matter how much you might wish otherwise. Sometimes things just happen that you don't like but can't change, possibly perpetrated by your own ancestors. Deal with it.

-Folks who deliberately avoid being helpful in order to further their own agenda ("Rockefellering"). I can't stress this enough. Too many people/corporations/groups are sitting on piles of products/data/research that could be of great benefit to Mankind, but they willfully ignore it because it would ruin their profit margins, and they actively discourage others from making these advancements through copyright/patent legislation, the purchase/sellout of competitors, etc. As another example, the US Government approved a program ("HAMP") to help ease the mortgage crisis. We looked around, but what was surprising was that, even though we qualified, no banks were actually offering it (because it isn't all that profitable). The program exists, but there's nothing saying that a bank is required to offer it, so of course nobody does.

-Rule-breakers. And I don't mean a guy that runs a stop sign now and again. I mean people who go through all the trouble of setting up and agreeing to the rules for something, but then don't follow them. This includes everything from the kid on the playground who claims you keep missing him and people who use HAXies in LAN tournaments all the way up to the fact that Congress can do all the insider trading it wants without penalty. This whole "do as I say, not as I do" thing didn't fly when I was ten, and it don't fly now, either.

I'll happily rant some more if the spirit moves me.

--Patrick

Nov 30, 2011#136

Steve

Idiots. Idiots offend me. Case in point?

http://thedailywh.at/2011/11/29/the-interpipes-are-leaking-of-the-day-27/

This is a news cast with the attorney's general office who warn of the dangers of those who display the pedobear sticker. A highlight of the news story is when she says pedophiles dress in the pedobear suit to lure young children for molestation. Really? Pedophiles dress up as a character that blatantly promotes its love for young children? How out of touch is the media and city officials?

And it was not just one news outlet (New Mexico listed above). Here's one from Tulsa

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