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Why Apple products are made in China
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Suicides: horrible comparison. Not taking into the fact mental illness, type of job situation, other stresses associated with different jobs etc... It's comparing apples to oranges. I'd like to see how much that value drops if you compare foxconn to a similar American or Canadian company, or hell even South Korean. 18 suicides per million workers is a lot for one company. Real context: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides That's some fucked up shit right there. The national suicide rate is always going to be higher over a company no matter how you work the numbers. It say per million workers in a clever attempt to make it seem like the comparison is level. It's not. The majority of a nations population is going to be a "worker". In the case of China, you're talking about the average suicide rate for about 1 billion people divided into per million unit the chart uses.Posting without comment...
Fatal Injuries: Again a national average is taking into account accidents that occur across a broad spectrum of industries. Some are far more dangerous than others - even in America. A proper comparison would be against the average among the same industry. I bet Foxconn would still be horrible or just about the same.
Now where does that 6k figure come from? Is that the average salary or the salary of a worker they chose at random. Notice how the chart doesn't say.
Buy Apple indeed...
Fucking Fanboys need to learn how to do proper statistics.
It is hard to have fatal injuries in a plant where every thing is weighed by percents of a gram.
Oh noes! I dropped a 2 inch by 4 inch piece of wafer thin glass on my toe!!!
Oh noes! I dropped a 2 inch by 4 inch piece of wafer thin glass on my toe!!!
Except for that explosion they had a while back that killed 2 workers and injured 16 more. I believe it was because of some powdered aluminum they use for making the iPad 2.
Really, that's the biggest problem: Improper handling and storage of the minerals and chemicals they use to make stuff. They don't have OSHA over there to look out for the safety of the workers.
But it is OK, according to the graph they are just a statistic.
It's fine that it's just a statistic, because human life has a dollar amount anyway. According to one study (which, admittedly, may not directly apply but provides fascinating numbers anyway) the value of one human life in Taiwan is under $2million[USD] while the value is nearly $7million[USD] in the US.
But the US is below average. In the UK the value of one human life is $26million[USD]. Even Canada values human life more at $9million[USD]. You'd have to read through the study to understand why (largely it has to do with the money the state spends in improving and saving human lives - think education and healthcare).
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Here's a better study with different numbers:
http://www.bath.ac.uk/e-journals/jtep/pdf/Volume_34_Part_2_169-188.pdf
But the US is below average. In the UK the value of one human life is $26million[USD]. Even Canada values human life more at $9million[USD]. You'd have to read through the study to understand why (largely it has to do with the money the state spends in improving and saving human lives - think education and healthcare).
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Here's a better study with different numbers:
http://www.bath.ac.uk/e-journals/jtep/pdf/Volume_34_Part_2_169-188.pdf
It's ok. You're worth at least 2.3, or 2.4 million in my opinion.
You can't throw a rock at any tech or Apple blogs today without hitting the news that Mike Daisey just made shit up about Foxconn.
Why would you even bother making up stuff about them? They already do a lot of horrible stuff that can be confirmed.
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/ieconomy/acclaimed-apple-critic-made-details
However, up until he was exposed, he always portrayed every anecdote and story as though it were true, to every news program he got on, so while he claims it was always theater now, he didn't previously.
His mission - to get people to change their behavior and habits to improve the lives of others - is a good one. His methods aren't, and once uncovered he does irreparable harm to his own message. He's not going to be taken seriously again, and this will cause people to discount the terrible-working-conditions message when they hear it again in the future.
So yeah, it's a big deal.
He's claimed his stuff is theater, which is the problem because this american life is theatrical journalism - still journalism, but presented in a story-telling and compelling manner. This guy's monologue was journalistic theater - theater, but presented in a journalistic way with none of the standards journalists are held to.
However, up until he was exposed, he always portrayed every anecdote and story as though it were true, to every news program he got on, so while he claims it was always theater now, he didn't previously.
His mission - to get people to change their behavior and habits to improve the lives of others - is a good one. His methods aren't, and once uncovered he does irreparable harm to his own message. He's not going to be taken seriously again, and this will cause people to discount the terrible-working-conditions message when they hear it again in the future.
So yeah, it's a big deal.
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Ouch man, that's pretty rough. TAL is a pretty respected source that does a very good job of making sure it's statements are more or less acurate (even if they do editorialize). They've been threatened with lawsuits for libel/etc on multiple occasions and have been able to stand their ground due to their inscrutability.
IRA says it well in the second line of the episode about the retraction:
"I'm coming to you today to say something that I've never had to say on our program."
IRA says it well in the second line of the episode about the retraction:
"I'm coming to you today to say something that I've never had to say on our program."
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