[TV] Winter HAS COME! - A Game of Thrones

phil

phil

This was actually hard to watch sometimes just from being so terrifying in its portrayal of what a battle like that might actually look like.
 
phil

phil

Frank said:
I really thought the Umbers were going to turn on Ramsay.
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Agreed. I was expecting more of a twist but this was just played out almost 100% at face value. It was better this way as there wouldn't have been a real logical time for them to pull a" the north remembers" especially with what happens right before.

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Also I think it's a little darkly funny that with all the people who came back this season, when you kill someone now you have to really kill the hell out of them.​
 
Fun Size

Fun Size

I really enjoyed this, but I did have to point out that those were exceptionally well-trained dogs to wait patiently for the narrative exposition to be at a suitable point before attacking.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

Time lines are all messed up for the ships. They sailed from the furthest point possible really and reached Mereen in record time.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

GRR said he had some pacing issues and some time line troubles in the books, and that most of the changes in the series were to compensate and avoid those. Now the series is suffering from pretty much exactly the same...I don't get it.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

I suppose they could pace it out by talking about porridge.


Hey! There are no significant male rulers left! Just Euron and the Sparrow guy. And Littlefinger I suppose.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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HCGLNS said:
I suppose they could pace it out by talking about porridge.


Hey! There are no significant male rulers left! Just Euron and the Sparrow guy. And Littlefinger I suppose.
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Bran is still technically the male heir to Winterfell, it's just nobody knows he's alive.

Also, Tommen is still technically king, even though he's the softest catspaw ever.
 
Mathias

Mathias

GasBandit said:
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Bran is still technically the male heir to Winterfell, it's just nobody knows he's alive.

Also, Tommen is still technically king, even though he's the softest catspaw ever.
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For the time being, does the line of succession of Winterfell go to Jon Snow, or are bastards supplanted by true-born daughters?
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Mathias said:
For the time being, does the line of succession of Winterfell go to Jon Snow, or are bastards supplanted by true-born daughters?
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I think it puts trueborn daughters ahead of bastards, but in either case, Jon's Nightwatch affiliation precludes him from lands and titles - which is why Sam Tarly was sent there.

Although, I guess there's still an argument to be made that Jon's "watch has ended" since he died, then was brought back.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

That was a poetic ending.

I think it puts trueborn daughters ahead of bastards, but in either case, Jon's Nightwatch affiliation precludes him from lands and titles - which is why Sam Tarly was sent there.

Although, I guess there's still an argument to be made that Jon's "watch has ended" since he died, then was brought back.
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Even ignoring the whole resurrection, The Night's Watch is barely a thing right now, a lot of the old codes they held to are slowly dissipating because of all the complications arising in the modern Westeros. Hell, one of the old tenants was to never lay with a woman (or at least have a wife and/or child), and we all know how well that worked out between Sam and Jon. Sam is even calling Little Sam his son, which means, at least publicly, he is implying he broke his oath ("father no children"). I mean think about the Wildlings, for many of the Night's Watch, keeping out the Wildlings was the reason they existed in the first place (White Walkers were just a myth), and in the last few years they basically let an army of them right past the wall.

All I know is shit is going to get real pretty quick. Dany finally has a small army of ships and knows Euron is bringing her more right to her doorstep, Jon and Sansa have ended the Boltons, meaning the king appointed Warden of the North is no more (I am just waiting for King's Landing to get that letter), and of course once the Freys are removed, the Starks will once again be in total control of the North.
 
Mathias

Mathias

ScytheRexx said:
That was a poetic ending.



Even ignoring the whole resurrection, The Night's Watch is barely a thing right now, a lot of the old codes they held to are slowly dissipating because of all the complications arising in the modern Westeros. Hell, one of the old tenants was to never lay with a woman (or at least have a wife and/or child), and we all know how well that worked out between Sam and Jon. Sam is even calling Little Sam his son, which means, at least publicly, he is implying he broke his oath ("father no children"). I mean think about the Wildlings, for many of the Night's Watch, keeping out the Wildlings was the reason they existed in the first place (White Walkers were just a myth), and in the last few years they basically let an army of them right past the wall.

All I know is shit is going to get real pretty quick. Dany finally has a small army of ships and knows Euron is bringing her more right to her doorstep, Jon and Sansa have ended the Boltons, meaning the king appointed Warden of the North is no more (I am just waiting for King's Landing to get that letter), and of course once the Freys are removed, the Starks will once again be in total control of the North.
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Are the Freys in the North? I thought they were affiliated with the Northern Riverlands? I think the Starks are once again Wardens of the entire North.
 
Dei

Dei

Mathias said:
Are the Freys in the North? I thought they were affiliated with the Northern Riverlands? I think the Starks are once again Wardens of the entire North.
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I'm pretty sure Walder Frey really only cared about sticking it to the Tullys.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Mathias said:
Are the Freys in the North? I thought they were affiliated with the Northern Riverlands? I think the Starks are once again Wardens of the entire North.
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I won't lie I am super confused about the whole geography of Westeros. I remember when Robb was trying to head south to start his invasion as the King in the North, his best path was through The Twins, so I figured it was more on the border to somewhere, but looking up a map it's actually a bit into the Riverlands, so I guess you are right.

Still, they have to deal with the Freys at some point, considering what they did to Robb and Catelyn.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

The Twin bridge is well below the Neck, but for some reason GRR decided to pretty much place two bottlenecks in a row between North and South. The Neck is part of the North, the Twins are part of the Riverlands. There are other bridges or fords, but the fords were impassible because of the weather, and other bridges had either been destroyed or were too far away to be useful. At least in the books; the whole "oh gosh we're in a huge terrible autumn with sudden floods washing away all the bridges and leveling whole towns" was pretty much ignored in the books in favor of "late summer".
 
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