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You're making waaaay too many assumptions on blizzards intentions. For all you know, they're going to completely revamp the Holiday.ScytheRexx said:
WoW: New Race Leak
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ScytheRexx
You're still ignoring some of the points others bring up. Sure, in the past, the masks have always been of player races, but as pointed out, Blizzard ideals change. This can easily just be a way of allowing the players a taste of getting to play the Goblins & Worgen. Something they've wanted for some time.
Let's look at a lore standpoint and go along with the idea that these are future player races. What then? How would it happen?
Goblins would idealy be Horde and Worgen would idealy be Alliance. It would fit because the new 'cool race' would go Alliance and everyone knows Blizzard favors the Alliance...
Goblins control all the neutral towns. I'd assume that would stay the same because Blizzard doesn't ever change past content to keep up with current story lines.
What would bring the Worgen into current events? Blood Elves & Draenei were brought in to fight the burning crusade. Would Gobbos & Worgen just be added in, or has there really been enough lore (theoretically more powerful then Arthas) that would give reason to add in a Worgen epic line?
You're still ignoring some of the points others bring up. Sure, in the past, the masks have always been of player races, but as pointed out, Blizzard ideals change. This can easily just be a way of allowing the players a taste of getting to play the Goblins & Worgen. Something they've wanted for some time.
Let's look at a lore standpoint and go along with the idea that these are future player races. What then? How would it happen?
Goblins would idealy be Horde and Worgen would idealy be Alliance. It would fit because the new 'cool race' would go Alliance and everyone knows Blizzard favors the Alliance...
Goblins control all the neutral towns. I'd assume that would stay the same because Blizzard doesn't ever change past content to keep up with current story lines.
What would bring the Worgen into current events? Blood Elves & Draenei were brought in to fight the burning crusade. Would Gobbos & Worgen just be added in, or has there really been enough lore (theoretically more powerful then Arthas) that would give reason to add in a Worgen epic line?
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That's typical time frame for Blizzard, and they've already stated they want to try to get out 1 a year.SeriousJay said:
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Actually, I hadn't thought of that. That does make sense.Shannow said:
I was thinking it would be weird because in the next expansion, assuming the Gobbos go Horde, there could be no neutral cities. At least, it would be weird to be in a neutral city controlled by gobbos. "These are not the Gobbos you are looking for."
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That would actually...be....really cool....Shannow said:
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I can also see something like a boosted level choice for them. Give them a phased starting area to tell their story as to why they left their tradition (gobbos being traders / worgen being changed...) to fight along whatever side they choose. Much like the DKs.
It would also make the players happy in creating some alts without having to fight that whole level grind again.
It would also make the players happy in creating some alts without having to fight that whole level grind again.
Tell that to my upcoming Wolvar Orphan pet. :tongue:Chazwozel said:
Blizzard said long ago that Hallow's End was one of the most complete of the Holidays. They are going to edit the ones that need work, like Noblegarden and the upcoming Thanksgiving, but much like Midsummer and Winter's Veil, they have no intention of editing a holiday that already works well and have great rewards. I think this is just a case of me having much more knowledge of Blizzard due to my forum browsing outside of this, by the looks of it many others don't keep up with bluetrackers.
Yes, for all I know they will shut down the servers tomorrow, really, you are making more assumptions then I am. My arguement has evidence and precedent, yours is "they can change it!". It does not really work that way.
Fair enough.
Issue is, they could have done that without adding the new textures, they even have multiple Worgen models they could use already. Blizzard does not normally update models unless the model is already horrible (the original ogre) or they are putting them into the sphere of playable (the blood elves got a total revamp for BC). These show new, unique textures point either to the fact Blizzard is going to revamp the Worgen completely, a silly idea since they just added new models, or they are trying to add them to playable.
The same way Draenei happened, they make a bunch of stuff up.
Goblin's were neutral in WarCraft 2 also by the Lore, the group that joined the Horde was under the command of a single "Trade Prince", the rulers of Undermine. All of the Goblin towns are owned by the Steamweedle Cartel, which will remain neutral and that will never change. However, who is to say any of the dozens of other Trade Princes, like the one selling all those Zepplins to the Horde over the Alliance, does not decide to join with them again?
If the rumored expansion is the South Seas, then Gilneas and Undermine can be tied into the upcoming event that will happen, the Cataclysm. Thus, they would be pulled into the events and thus join sides, much like how the BE and Draenei did.
Really, you guys can believe I am making to many assumptions, but I have precedent. Can I be wrong? Yes, and we will see at BlizzCon, I just thought some people would actually be interested in seeing the possible new races. I guess I was wrong.
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Guys, let him have something to fap over. Is it really that important?
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Nah, you weren't wrong. I do think it's neat that these may be new races. I just didn't / don't see how they would fit. Also, I'm not used to you having short posts about WoW, you normally detail every bit and that's what I was waiting for / wanting to see.
Now we're discussing the HOWs and such. I've just seen much in the past with Blizzard to really say OH WOW!
Some other things that made me go.. uhhh...
3.2 25 man isn't progression the LK story arch is it? It's adding a new 5, 10, & 25 man dungeon, but nothing to really progress the LK arch and getting to fight Arthas, as far as I know. Who's the big baddie in this patch and where does he fit?
Why did they release these skins so soon? Obviously these aren't going to be player races right now, but assuming they will be, they're not going to be player races by this coming Hallows Eve event. That is unless Blizzard announces that the EXP has been worked on in secret and you can pick it up on your way out (not likely). So that leaves next Hallows Eve as being the one with the expansion (which, I can see - it fits their timeline). I can see the patches getting to 3.3 at least (that being the Final patch), but it seems they are adding a bit more here as time goes on. Just adds to the question of "why so soon".
Believe what you wish. I am not going to push it any longer. Either I will be back here next month saying "You guys were right" or I will be back here next month saying "hehehehe" :smug: Either way I find it interesting I can't put out a plausible theory with tons of evidence because of a lack of 100% certainty. Oh welll.
As a little update, I just noticed that all wow websites that I saw this information appearing have started pulling it without a word. MMO-Champion, famous for the fact they datamine the living hell out of every patch, has started deleting posts even attempting to talk about the discovered textures. I think someone at Blizzard might not have a job tomorrow.
Actually it has a lot to do with the Lich King. Tirion explains it as a speech in front of the Colosseum, explaining that if they all just gathered and sent wave after wave of forces at the Lich King, all they would do, is make his own forces stronger as more and more people die to the undead. The plan is to test the heroes in the Colosseum in order to find the strongest of them, thus send a powerful, concentrated strike force to take down Arthas.
During the 5-Man event, the Black Knight comes in resurrected, and tries to kill you for the Lich King, he is the final boss of that instance. In the same vein, the end of the 25-Man has Arthas appear. He taunts Tirion and the Crusade before smashing out the floor. One all the players fall through the hole, they end up in an old Nerubian ruin, where they once again fight an resurrected, and enhanced with magic ice, Anub'Arak. He tries to kill the players for the Lich King, but when you defeat him, Tirion comes down, congratulates you, and have his troops give you all a portal to get out. It is pretty much the setup to Icecrown, with the death of Anub'Arak being the final proof that the players are the ones that must be sent in to Icecrown.
Most likely it was a mistake. The masks are actually easy to make, all they have to do is take a screenshot of the face, stretch it over a single flat model, and done. More then likely one of guys assigned to that did them, and compiled them, but accidentally compiled it into the PTR patch without realizing it. The fact that Blizzard seems to be now hushing down the official fansites, including the ones known for aggressive datamining, seems to make it all the more clear this was not supposed to happen. It was a mistake.
This could be why the next patch is adding so many new leveling friendly options. Some of the changes they are doing for leveling is downright mindboggling, like the new Tome of Cold Weather Flying and the various other mount changes. I can see all these changes being added because Blizzard want to make it easier to level up the new races from 1-90 (If they even go up to 90)
This thread is hilarious, simply because Scytherexx is right, halfway.
Worgen are a new race that are going to be released, but they aren't scheduled till the PLANES xpac. Next xpac is going to be Maelstrom/Cataclysm, and we're going to see new landmasses/level cap increase and a new hero class, not new races.
Now, the goblin thing could possibly be the other race, as the two races slated to be released with PLANES were Worgen/Pandarian, which would make more sense BUT of course we have the CHINA issue to deal with for Pandas. So that leaves an interesting gap. Make Goblin Horde? Worgen were initially intended for Alliance. Problem is Goblins are neutral and Worgen have played both sides of the fence at times. Here's my take:
Both races will be pickable by both factions. That's the only logical idea with the removal of Panderians from the original plan and the addition of Goblins.
If anyone questions where I'm getting my information, I'll simply state it comes from a confirmed leak from Blizzard that has been out since Molten Core.
Worgen are a new race that are going to be released, but they aren't scheduled till the PLANES xpac. Next xpac is going to be Maelstrom/Cataclysm, and we're going to see new landmasses/level cap increase and a new hero class, not new races.
Now, the goblin thing could possibly be the other race, as the two races slated to be released with PLANES were Worgen/Pandarian, which would make more sense BUT of course we have the CHINA issue to deal with for Pandas. So that leaves an interesting gap. Make Goblin Horde? Worgen were initially intended for Alliance. Problem is Goblins are neutral and Worgen have played both sides of the fence at times. Here's my take:
Both races will be pickable by both factions. That's the only logical idea with the removal of Panderians from the original plan and the addition of Goblins.
If anyone questions where I'm getting my information, I'll simply state it comes from a confirmed leak from Blizzard that has been out since Molten Core.
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Yeah, I checked out MMO Champion to see if they had anything, and they didn't. It is typical of Blizzard to pull leaked information if it has a chance of leading to bigger things. Also, the leveling things that are coming up are really insane. I wouldn't be surprised for another XP reduction by the time a new expansion comes out.
As for the story line, that makes sense. So this could be the patch before the final (3.3 maybe?) and does fit the time table.
Assuming they release info about a new expansion at Blizzcon, we can probably see it released by year end to early next year.
Granted, none of this will get me back in game though. I enjoy the lore, but I just don't care for the game itself anymore.
As for the story line, that makes sense. So this could be the patch before the final (3.3 maybe?) and does fit the time table.
Assuming they release info about a new expansion at Blizzcon, we can probably see it released by year end to early next year.
Granted, none of this will get me back in game though. I enjoy the lore, but I just don't care for the game itself anymore.
I have that same chart, but the rumor is that the South Seas and Planes expansion are going to be one in the same now (More specifically, the Emerald Dream and the Nightmare the main focus of the planes part.) We will have to see if this is true, but both the seas and the emerald dream have been getting a lot of promotion these days in the outside sources of WoW, like the comic and an upcoming novel.Shegokigo said:
A couple months ago I would agree with you, but now we have learned that the Goblins in the "Old Horde" were all under the command of a single Trade Prince, who was working in his own interests outside those of Undermine and the other princes. This could happen again, without altering the main dynamic of the existing Goblin cities.
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I always thought that Emerald Dream would be the first expansion. There was a lot of talk about it at the time, then the patch that intro'd the 4 dream guardian dragons at the gates. Then we got space goats, barbie and other barbie.ScytheRexx said:
I learned a long time ago that ScytheRexx has forgotten more about WoW than I will ever or would have ever learned.
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That's ok, for everything you don't know about WoW, you know something useful. :smug:
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I understand that's an eyeroll, but it also looks like you're looking up to him for his smug opinion.Shegokigo said:
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Shegokigo said:
It's cute that you think WoW knowledge is relevant to anything.
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It's relevant to WoW. How relevant that is is purely a matter of opinion.
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Yep, gotta remember that WoW just had it's world population numbers cut in half.Frankie said:Minus China.Shegokigo said:Just 10+ million people around the world. You're right, just a small little nothing. :slywink:Chazwozel said:
http://www.jlmpacificepoch.com/newsstor ... 38_0_5_0_M
Interesting. One source says that Blizzard's partner was shut down for "illegal" activities, a new source says that it's just a "vetting process" for new ventures in China and that everything is more or less as expected.
While the Chinese government is obviously not new to the "nothing to see here, move away" technique, it seems a little excessive to do so for a video game.
Interesting. One source says that Blizzard's partner was shut down for "illegal" activities, a new source says that it's just a "vetting process" for new ventures in China and that everything is more or less as expected.
While the Chinese government is obviously not new to the "nothing to see here, move away" technique, it seems a little excessive to do so for a video game.
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Shegokigo said:Just 10+ million people around the world. You're right, just a small little nothing. :slywink:Chazwozel said:
What I mean is that it's just worthless information. Sure, I enjoy the lore like anyone else, but I'm not going to devote more time to it than, say, glancing at wowwiki from time to time. Case in point. Maybe if you'd brush up on computer coolant systems and basic thermodynamic concepts instead of analyzing whether a +2 spell int. enchant is more beneficial than 2% crit, you wouldn't have to shell out tons of money for a mediocre upgrade.
In before the ol' "Everything is a waste of time" rebuttal.
Scolding people for having WoW knowledge in a WoW thread? That's...interesting. And yes, I know you were just kidding around.
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