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So here's a hypothetical. Let's suspend the laws of physics for a moment, and pretend that you have been given the key to better the entire world. Your vision of Utopia would come to pass, forever and ever. All you have to do is use the Key. But to do so, you would have to lose, either by destruction or death, the things in this life you cherish most.

Would you?

The things I cherish most in life are my family and friends, they make my world a utopia

I can't picture a working utopia. There needs to be movement and motion, cycles in life that keep it running, feel like meaningful struggles, friends and enemies. A utopia world of perfection would have to be made up of machines, not human beings, and so has no purpose. People need to feel they're accomplishing something or are taken by despair. They need to feel like there is something to drive against, and so would drive against the utopic system if it existed. You'd have to lobotomize people.

I don't believe humans can exist in a world of true peace. We need to strive to make a better world, as others crash it down for their own selfishness.

I would not give up all I love and cherish to make a monstrosity that denies or destroys what humans are. I enjoy us too much. All the shit done is defined by the good, is defined by the shit, and so on and so on. The cycles must continue.

A world in chaos is what makes us relish that what is good on this Earth.

Pass.

I would post a vague hypothetical thread about it

Charlie Dont Surf said:

I would post a vague hypothetical thread about it

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:doooom:

I would do the inverse: Destroy the world to protect the sanctity of what I care about. I have no problem becoming a villain for the right reason.

So you're saying you would seek to cause the destruction of the planet, and all its inhabitants?

interesting....

I would do it.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmno. I generally pass on having that amount of power.

I subscribe to the whole "this is the best of all possible worlds" thing, so any changes I would elect to make would be entirely superficial, and not worth giving up the people I cherish.

Although, I can assure you that this idea will be in my mind for the next few days. Perhaps I'll come back with a list of things I would change, but like I said: on the whole they would be superficial, and not worth the sacrifice anyhow..

Rob King said:

I subscribe to the whole "this is the best of all possible worlds" thing, so any changes I would elect to make would be entirely superficial, and not worth giving up the people I cherish.

Although, I can assure you that this idea will be in my mind for the next few days. Perhaps I'll come back with a list of things I would change, but like I said: on the whole they would be superficial, and not worth the sacrifice anyhow..

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Dr. Pangloss, I presume?

Nope, utopia does not exsist.

Baerdog7;245842][quote=Rob King said:

I subscribe to the whole "this is the best of all possible worlds" thing, so any changes I would elect to make would be entirely superficial, and not worth giving up the people I cherish.

Although, I can assure you that this idea will be in my mind for the next few days. Perhaps I'll come back with a list of things I would change, but like I said: on the whole they would be superficial, and not worth the sacrifice anyhow..

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Dr. Pangloss, I presume?[/QUOTE]

Hmm. I wasn't familiar with that reference. But I guess a a little bit, yeah.

What if my utopia is having all life on earth destroyed?

hylian said:

What if my utopia is having all life on earth destroyed?

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Then you should totally do whatever you can to see Shego come to power.

Way too much power/pressure for a humble dude like me.

What I cherish most is my ability to make of this world what I want. A magic "key" that will lock this world in a perpetual "utopia" conflicts pretty heavily with this. So if I were to use the key to create my utopia of a keyless world I would have to give up my will and accept my own hell of autonomy lost. But if I don't destroy it as soon as possible there would be too much of a risk of someone else using the key. That's a good question.

No, thanks. W/o that which I cherish the most, I don't think it would be much fun.

Wow. Alot of really selfish people in this thread. :bush:

I would be all for this if it wasn't for having to lose the things I cherish most. My friends and family are the things that mean the most to me. If I lost them, my vision of utopia would not be fulfilled since I'd be completely alone rather than enjoying this incredible life with them.

I would do it, but then again I don't really have anybody that I can't let go of in my life. So fuck it, make the world a better place, I would do it.

Docseverin said:

I would do it, but then again I don't really have anybody that I can't let go of in my life. So fuck it, make the world a better place, I would do it.

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Finally, someone not so self involved.

Honestly, I'd do it too. What's a handful of lives compared to the untold billions that would benefit. Fucking Spock-ism. Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

I would do it.

I'd probably kill myself out of despair afterwards, but I'd die with that small comfort of knowing I'm leaving the world a better place than how it was when I arrived.

EDIT: After posting this message I realized how much it contrasts with my postcount.

Shegokigo;246001][quote=Docseverin said:

I would do it, but then again I don't really have anybody that I can't let go of in my life. So fuck it, make the world a better place, I would do it.

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Finally, someone not so self involved.[/QUOTE]

im not 'self involved' I just dont think there is a possible utopia

Silvanesti;246008][quote=Shegokigo;246001][quote=Docseverin said:

I would do it, but then again I don't really have anybody that I can't let go of in my life. So fuck it, make the world a better place, I would do it.

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Finally, someone not so self involved.[/QUOTE]

im not 'self involved' I just dont think there is a possible utopia[/QUOTE]
It's not a matter of what you believe is possible, in a hypothetical situation.

Oh and Bhamv, yeah that really doesn't suit you.

Gusto said:

Way too much power/pressure for a humble dude like me.

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This dogg

I think I'd do it. I don't know how many people would want to wake up to the Ecotopia type world that I'd love to see, but I think they'd grow to love it. In the long run, what I sacrifice wouldn't matter.

I don't know. A full-blown utopia where everyone is forever happy? Sure. Some sort of faux utopia of my idea of what it should be like? heck no.

You know, I like free will. I think it's a good thing. I'd be super-pissed if I knew it would be taken away from me. I assume most people would feel the same way. That's why, even without Crone's caveat, I probably wouldn't impose my view of Utopia on people. Just because it's my idealized world doesn't mean it's everyone else's. The fact that people in this thread consider that selfish seems somewhat strange to me.

To elaborate now that I've thought about it.

I could not give up my family, my pets back home, and my closest friends, no matter the cost. They have done more for me and helped me through so much that I could not let them fade away for any amount of happiness on my part, let alone the rest of the globe.

I'd do it.

Sure I'd have to sacrifice my mom, but I'm sure my girlfriend would appreciate the promotion to "most cherished"

Fake answer: I'd achieve a zen like state where what I cherish most is nothingness.

real answer: I'd probably do it. I'd prefer that what I cherish most simply disappears with me.

Nope.


Because Im sure someone would later fuck up my Utopia.

Wait. I got a better smart ass answer.

I'd sacrifice what I most cherish for a Fruitopia, so this hypothetical is a complete no-brainer

drifter said:

You know, I like free will. I think it's a good thing. I'd be super-pissed if I knew it would be taken away from me. I assume most people would feel the same way. That's why, even without Crone's caveat, I probably wouldn't impose my view of Utopia on people. Just because it's my idealized world doesn't mean it's everyone else's. The fact that people in this thread consider that selfish seems somewhat strange to me.

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Their answer was selfish:
"I wouldn't give the world Utopia if I couldn't have my loved ones around. I prefer to choose a guiltless happiness than one of a greater worldly good."

Shegokigo said:

Their answer was selfish:
"I wouldn't give the world Utopia if I couldn't have my loved ones around. I prefer to choose a guiltless happiness than one of a greater worldly good."

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Fair enough. 'Course, I was mostly looking at it from my own point of view, so I suppose I fall into the selfish crowd as well.

I don't think I could deal with the loss of my best friends, Beer and The Internet. A world without beer and the internet... would that really be a utopia? I think not.

I suspect that I may become somewhat of a hermit later in life anyway, so it might not be all that bad. However, I still wouldn't do it, for one very important reason - I'd be taking away a few other people (Friends and loved ones) presumably against their will for everyone else's benefit. If it was just me, it'd be a simple answer, but imposing my will on them? I can't make that choice.

My definition of utopia is a mix 'n dash of common dystopias, while the thing I yearn the most is the easy anonymous life... I guess that'd make me the big brother if I used said 'key' ~_~

i would try to find a way to bend the key's power to my will and then use it only if i get to choose who lives and who doesn't.

yeah, fuck the world, i'm not killing my loved ones for some (6 000 000 000) people i don't know

The thing I cherish the most is the fact that this world is not a Utopia... so.... I guess I'd be at an impasse.

Shegokigo said:

Their answer was selfish:
"I wouldn't give the world Utopia if I couldn't have my loved ones around. I prefer to choose a guiltless happiness than one of a greater worldly good."

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Perhaps, but I'm also fully willing to admit to it. You give me infinite power, I'm going to use it for what -I- want, not what the world needs. Of course, this is assuming there isn't an option of simply not having to take it all, which is probably what I'd do. I know what I'd do with it, so I'd do my best to avoid it.

Also, I find it hilarious that we have Shego on the "save the world" side of the equation!

AshburnerX said:

Also, I find it hilarious that we have Shego on the "save the world" side of the equation!

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Then you misunderstood me completely. I'm actually enjoying the fact that people in this thread are more about themselves and their personal lives than the lives of billions.

Then again, my choice would be even more selfish as I would impose a Utopia of my personal choosing as opposed to one that would be generally pleasing to everyonelse.

Dystopia

id let the world know I have said power to change everythign for the better, and then blackmail them into giving me what I want in hopes that I would use it.


And then i would never use it.

This thread is funny.

Well.... To be honest, I probably won't do it.

Why? cause even I do not know what is my Utopia. There are literally billions of people on this world making, creating, designing, thinking and whatever "ing" they are doing to make life even better than even I cannot imagine. Maybe the next "ing" will be my new Utopia, but what if my version of Utopia inadvertently kill off those people who may improve my life in the future?

Even suspending the laws of physics, time and even realities, it would be pretty tough to "create" your Utopia and then destroy the current world for it and give up what you cherish most.

So.... in short, no I won't do it.

Crone;245905][quote=hylian said:

What if my utopia is having all life on earth destroyed?

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Then you should totally do whatever you can to see Shego come[/QUOTE]

Jake;246389][quote=Crone;245905][quote=hylian said:

What if my utopia is having all life on earth destroyed?

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Then you should totally do whatever you can to see Shego come[/QUOTE]
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Bringing the ASS to Classy since 196?

Yes, I'm sure I would.

But I would hem and haw over it for an extended period of time before I finally caved.

--Patrick

Yes I would, I'm sorry but if I had that kind of power I would do it in the blink of an eye. At the end of Watchmen I was still on Ozymandias's side. He did the right thing.