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#1

BananaHands

BananaHands

No, not really. Well... maybe...

Police shoot naked cannibal during zombie attack in Miami


#2

Dave

Dave

BananaHands said:
No, not really. Well... maybe...

Police shoot naked cannibal during zombie attack in Miami
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This is how it starts. But of course it's Miami. Nobody will probably notice for a while.


#3

phil

phil

UGH ok, so it's the south but still all the way on the east coast. The worst of it probably won't get this way for a month or so, but with all the travel from memorial day weekend and school ending it could be here a lot sooner. Tomorrow's my day off so I can get my emergency pack together but I'll need to plan my escape route more.

I don't think it should be that bad once I get north of Oklahoma though...


#4



SeraRelm

Article said:
authorities have speculated that the attacker was suffering from "cocaine psychosis".
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I thought it was experimental marijuana that made them...


#5

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

FINALLY, THE TIME HAS COME!
*opens the door to her survival bunker and waits*
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Slightly nsfw.


#6

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

This probably could have gone in our other zombie thread.



Man, this is pretty much EXACTLY what Max Brooks says to look out for as the early signs of a stage one outbreak.
It's a good thing he doesn't have twitter, he'd be getting bombarded right now.


#7

Jay

Jay

Shegokigo said:
FINALLY, THE TIME HAS COME!
*opens the door to her survival bunker and waits*
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Slightly nsfw.
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A silencer... smart. Sadly they don't work for shit in RL.

*equips his katana and heads off into the Canadian woods never to be seen again*


#8



SeraRelm

Still not sure how one got out, much less made it that far south.

Sorry, folks. Won't happen again.


#9

BananaHands

BananaHands

I gotta figure the best route up through the canadian border without hitting too much population.


#10

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

BananaHands said:
I gotta figure the best route up through the canadian border without hitting too much population.
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West Coast> ferry up to Yukon.
West-Central> Saskatchewan but you're probably fucked.
Central> Western Ontario but you're probably fucked.
East-Central> You're fucked.
East Coast> Ferry to Baffin Island.


#11

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Shegokigo said:
FINALLY, THE TIME HAS COME!
*opens the door to her survival bunker and waits*
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Slightly nsfw.
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That has to be crossthreaded... I mean, she really should have finished screwing it in by now.


#12

WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart

2009 in Metairie, Lousiana...a man had a bite taken out of his arm by a passing stranger who attacked him while he was gardening. The attacker chewed and swallowed the flesh he bit off.


#13



SeraRelm

Which is why the ladies like her better.


#14

phil

phil

http://imgur.com/gallery/GlmhV


#15

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Dammit, I need to contact my overseas friends and warn them.

After that, I'll wait for news of this shit on this side of the Atlantic...


#16



SeraRelm

Perhaps, but I'd suspect the men would get jealous of how well she uses hers.


#17

drifter

drifter

Damn, I just saw what was left of that dude's face. Jeebus.


#18

HowDroll

HowDroll

drifter said:
Damn, I just saw what was left of that dude's face. Jeebus.
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Sauce plox


#19

drifter

drifter

Linkadoodle.


#20

HowDroll

HowDroll

drifter said:
Linkadoodle.
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:aaah:


#21

fade

fade

Really does sound like the beginning of one of those zombie stories. Everyone thinks it's just some crazy druggie. Until it's too late.


#22

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

My sister says she read that the dude was on something called "bath salts" which is a type of LSD or something, and has been known to lead to things like this.


#23

drifter

drifter

Apparently bath salts are usually MDPV, a synthetic drug akin to amphetamines.


#24

GasBandit

GasBandit

I hope I get to be a boomer. I can't wait to puke and/or explode all over you assholes.


#25

BananaHands

BananaHands

Pills here!


#26



SeraRelm

So basically the physical version of your posts.


#27

GasBandit

GasBandit

SeraRelm said:
So basically the physical version of your posts.
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I wish my posts could physically vomit on other halforumites.


#28



SeraRelm

Never change, GasBandit.


#29

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

GasBandit said:
I hope I get to be a boomer. I can't wait to puke and/or explode all over your assholes.
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...what?!


#30

Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

"Bath salts" are literally bath salts - the stuff you get in those generic gift baskets when you don't know what to give someone.

Some crazy SOB came up with the idea of smoking them, which causes them to have a SEVERE hallucinogenic effect, similar to PCP. High/extreme pain tolerances, severe irrationality, psychosis... yep... fun times.


#31

HowDroll

HowDroll

Officer_Charon said:
"Bath salts" are literally bath salts - the stuff you get in those generic gift baskets when you don't know what to give someone.

Some crazy SOB came up with the idea of smoking them, which causes them to have a SEVERE hallucinogenic effect, similar to PCP. High/extreme pain tolerances, severe irrationality, psychosis... yep... fun times.
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And zombie-ism? Holy shit, who would have guessed?


#32



SeraRelm

Well, time to bust out 20 IDs to get bath salts.


#33

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Are you sure it doesn't have multiple meanings?
http://www.drugabuse.gov/about-nida...011/02/bath-salts-emerging-dangerous-products
We know, for example, that these products often contain various amphetamine-like chemicals, such as methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MPDV), mephedrone and pyrovalerone.
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Actually this site says it's both, sort of:
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/bath-salts-drug-dangers



Why are they called bath salts?

"It’s confusing. Is this what we put in our bathtubs, like Epsom salts? No. But by marketing them as bath salts and labeling them 'not for human consumption,' they have been able to avoid them being specifically enumerated as illegal," Horowitz says.
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http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/2...ified-fears-grow-over-drug-possibly-involved/


#34

Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

There you go... I guess my intel was a little off, perhaps? It's the same thing with the "Spice" - artificial marijuana. They market it as pot-pourri or incense, and state it's "not for human consumption," which worked to allow it to be sold. At least until GA passed a law making it illegal to sell Spice.


#35

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

That's probably how Salvia was (is?) legal up here too. It was marked as not for human consumption as well.


#36

Gusto

Gusto

Yeah people on PCP will def. eat other people.


#37

Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

I've seen folks on cocaine shrug off baton strikes and OC spray like nothing happened. I've seen them require 7+ officers to restrain them long enough to get them in cuffs... I had heard a story, growing up, from a cop in California who told of a man they'd been sent to investigate. This guy (who later turned out to be on PCP) was trying to kick in a church door, and had been doing so for about 15-20 minutes or so. He said this guy's legs were shattered, and he was lying on his back, trying to kick in the door with the splintered ends of his tibia/fibula. Then he tried to run from the cops afterwards.

I have no desire to tussle with someone on PCP, or bath salts, for that matter.


#38

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

I am now looking for the PCP scene from Walk Hard on youtube but it doesn't seem to be there.


#39

Frank

Frank

Officer_Charon said:
I've seen folks on cocaine shrug off baton strikes and OC spray like nothing happened. I've seen them require 7+ officers to restrain them long enough to get them in cuffs... I had heard a story, growing up, from a cop in California who told of a man they'd been sent to investigate. This guy (who later turned out to be on PCP) was trying to kick in a church door, and had been doing so for about 15-20 minutes or so. He said this guy's legs were shattered, and he was lying on his back, trying to kick in the door with the splintered ends of his tibia/fibula. Then he tried to run from the cops afterwards.

I have no desire to tussle with someone on PCP, or bath salts, for that matter.
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PCP....

Yeah, I've never seen anything like it but I know of a guy who was fucking up a bar in Lloydminster on PCP. The bouncers had already broken one of his arms trying to restrain him and the cops on scene ended up breaking his other arm because he would not stop. Nothing worked on him.


#40

ElJuski

ElJuski

BananaHands said:
Pills here!
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this time me and my friend keith


#41



SeraRelm

PCP means "Pretty Cool People" cuz only the cool kids take it. You're a cool kid, right?


#42

Cheesy1

Cheesy1

^


#43

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

This is what we had:




#44

WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart

Oh good ol' angel dust. My friend smoked pot laced with it and shot himself in the head.


#45

ElJuski

ElJuski

yo guys let's all do some dippers!


#46

Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

Here we go. This is what I get for not checking the information I received from a government source, however well-intentioned. *dry laugh*


#47

LittleSin

LittleSin

WasabiPoptart said:
Oh good ol' angel dust. My friend smoked pot laced with it and shot himself in the head.
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This is why, when I partake, I get stuff from a well trusted source aunaturale.

People be crazy.


#48

Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

@LittleSin that's not exactly fair... the rest of us don't have Jet to link us to a portal to another world where it can be mined directly from the source. *innocent smile*​


#49

WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart

LittleSin said:
This is why, when I partake, I get stuff from a well trusted source aunaturale.

People be crazy.
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As far as I know, he and his friends knew it was laced. He completely wigged out from it.


#50

Emrys

Emrys

Jay said:
A silencer... smart. Sadly they don't work for shit in RL.

*equips his katana and heads off into the Canadian woods never to be seen again*
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You can stop by my place for supplies. Just bring snacks. The doomweasels are hungry.


#51

Terrik

Terrik

drifter said:
Linkadoodle.
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D: That's not a face.

ThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotaface


#52

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Terrik said:
D: That's not a face.

ThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotafaceThatsnotaface
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Relax, it's just a huge, melted popsicle. Yes, a massive strawberry popsicle.


#53



SeraRelm

Dare you to lick it...


#54

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

It's been on the ground, no thanks.


#55

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

It's spreading.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/...b&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=2601982,b=facebook
Otty Sanchez, Woman Accused Of Killing Newborn, Ate Brain: Police
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#56

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Nope, she was talking. Therefore, not a zombie.


#57

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

http://gawker.com/5914059/grab-your-boomstick-the-zombie-apocalypse-may-actually-be-upon-us


#58

fade

fade

North_Ranger said:
Nope, she was talking. Therefore, not a zombie.
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Not a fan of the Living Dead branch of movies, huh?


#59

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

fade said:
Not a fan of the Living Dead branch of movies, huh?
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Beyond the provision of some pretty decent boobage? Not really, no.


#60

fade

fade

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...ected-in-miami-face-eating-attack?sc=fb&cc=fp

Some of the symptoms the bath salts users experience seem almost zombie-like, too.


#61

Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

Another one for the "out there" files, perhaps an early-onset symptom?

Man stabs self repeatedly, then throws intestines at police.


#62

fade

fade

Itchy. Tasty.


#63

WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart

http://gawker.com/5914059/grab-your-boomstick-the-zombie-apocalypse-may-actually-be-upon-us

I didn't see where anyone else posted this link here, but two friends had this on their FB pages today.


#64

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

WasabiPoptart said:
http://gawker.com/5914059/grab-your-boomstick-the-zombie-apocalypse-may-actually-be-upon-us

I didn't see where anyone else posted this link here, but two friends had this on their FB pages today.
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checkeredhat said:
http://gawker.com/5914059/grab-your-boomstick-the-zombie-apocalypse-may-actually-be-upon-us
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phil said:
http://imgur.com/gallery/GlmhV
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#65

WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart

Obviously I didn't look hard enough! Sorry.


#66

Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

You have brought shame upon your house. You know what you must do...


#67

WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart



#68



SeraRelm

NO!


#69

evilmike

evilmike

More problems in Florida



#70

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Don't worry guys, it's safe.
The CDC says so.


#71

PatrThom

PatrThom

GasBandit said:
I hope I get to be a boner. I can't wait to puke and/or explode all over you assholes.
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Hey, ThatNickGuy at my first glance I misread the above.

--Patrick


#72

GasBandit

GasBandit

checkeredhat said:
Don't worry guys, it's safe.
The CDC says so.
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That's just what they'd say if it was real. Just puttin' that out there.


#73

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

GasBandit said:
That's just what they'd say if it was real. Just puttin' that out there.
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Yes.
I know.


#74

WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart

"Dead" Brazilian boy wakes up, asks for water.


#75

HowDroll

HowDroll

Another Face-Eater attack, this one in China.


#76

WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart

Toxicology report - no major street drugs in face-chewing attacker's system.


#77

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Two totally unrelated, isolated events on other sides of the world?

This is where it starts, people.


#78

Jay

Jay

HowDroll said:
Another Face-Eater attack, this one in China.
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http://www.amazon.ca/The-Zombie-Survival-Guide-Protection/dp/1400049628

Make sure to have this book people.


#79

Bowielee

Bowielee

You'd actually be surprised how many injuries occur each year due to human bites.

Though, they're usually defensive or attacking bite wounds on the hands/arms/or legs, but really, I'm sure this kind of thing has happened before when we weren't so zombie obsessed as a culture.


#80

WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart

I had a friend in high school who got into a fight with another girl. The girl bit my friend's leg. Last I knew she still has a scar in the shape of the girl's bite with the individual tooth imprints clearly visible.


#81

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Jay said:
http://www.amazon.ca/The-Zombie-Survival-Guide-Protection/dp/1400049628

Make sure to have this book people.
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Only if you're American, Jay. Some of us dirty foreigners aren't for instance so fanatical about our guns and such :p


#82

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

North_Ranger said:
Only if you're American, Jay. Some of us dirty foreigners aren't for instance so fanatical about our guns and such :p
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You've never read the book I take it.


#83

fade

fade

Well to be fair to North_Ranger that's the version from Amazon Canada, though. It just says apologize profusely to the zombie and offer it a beer.


#84

Bubble181

Bubble181

fade said:
Well to be fair to North_Ranger that's the version from Amazon Canada, though. It just says apologize profusely to the zombie and offer it a beer.
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Huh. The Belgian version says you should offer it a good helath care package, lots of vacation time and half your money. :p


#85

Zappit

Zappit

You know who's really going to have a problem with the zombie apocalypse? The bears. They just won't know what to attack then.


#86

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Shegokigo said:
You've never read the book I take it.
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Actually I have. I just consider some of the advice it offers somewhat America-specific, that's all. In regards of firearms in particular, but there are other culture-specific aspects as well.


#87

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Zappit said:
You know who's really going to have a problem with the zombie apocalypse? The bears. They just won't know what to attack then.
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Well, if the Zombie Survival Guide (and by extension, World War Z) is to be believed, the bears will start running just like everything else when Zack goes to the woods.


#88

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Bubble181 said:
Huh. The Belgian version says you should offer it a good helath care package, lots of vacation time and half your money. :p
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That's weird. The Swiss one says send the zombie back to the publicly-funded detox clinics where it belongs, and then go back to getting into fights with other Swiss people about joining the EU.


#89

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

North_Ranger said:
Actually I have. I just consider some of the advice it offers somewhat America-specific, that's all. In regards of firearms in particular, but there are other culture-specific aspects as well.
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I'm guessing you don't remember it then, because it actually says guns are the worst idea possible and to avoid them at all costs.


#90

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Shegokigo said:
I'm guessing you don't remember it then, because it actually says guns are the worst idea possible and to avoid them at all costs.
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Eh, maybe. But it still suggests stocking up on firearms and appropriate ammo, just in case. Admittedly I enjoyed reading World War Z more, even though I detest the notion that public healthcare, roughly 70% of all men having received firearms training in the armed forces and the Finnish penchant for violence would not have cleared this zombie situation in a matter of weeks :devil:

Then again, there's the whole living next door to Russia thing...


#91

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

North_Ranger said:
Eh, maybe. But it still suggests stocking up on firearms and appropriate ammo, just in case. Admittedly I enjoyed reading World War Z more, even though I detest the notion that public healthcare, roughly 70% of all men having received firearms training in the armed forces and the Finnish penchant for violence would not have cleared this zombie situation in a matter of weeks :devil:

Then again, there's the whole living next door to Russia thing...
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Russian zombie... or just drunk on vodka?

Best not to take the chance.


#92

Silent Bob

Silent Bob

North_Ranger said:
Eh, maybe. But it still suggests stocking up on firearms and appropriate ammo, just in case.
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I believe the "Guide" suggests against doing that very thing. I'll have to re-read it, but what I took away was that you want to stay as mobile and versatile as possible. So stock piling anything would be counter-productive.

I specifically remember the firearms chapter referring to a rifle and a handgun as your required arms. A rifle maintains a clean headshot at a distance, while a pistol is useful for emergencies. As I recall, a Shaolin Spade and crowbar are the most lauded weapons for use during a zombie crisis.


#93

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Incorrect. I specifically remember there being mention of firearms and ammo when you are fortifying your place of residence when Zack comes a-callin'. The Guide does recommend staying mobile, but firearms and (what I think they think is) a reasonable supply of suitable firearms are listed among the things you oughta have in your emergency home kit.

And yes, Shaolin spade is indeed crowned the ultimate anti-zombie weapon. Good luck finding one, though.


#94

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Years ago, I was instructed by my stepdad not to let my brother play video games for more than an hour during the day. When his hour was up, I told him to do something else. He wandered aimlessly until I gave him a comic book to read that had just been released that week (Starslip Crisis volume 1). He had not visited that site and never seen that book before. But as if he thought he would get to play video games that way, he looked me in the eye and said, "Oh, I already read this one." I explained to him how that was impossible, but he stuck by what he'd said. I asked him what it was about and he described the cover, but didn't know what was on the inside.



Not saying you're a liar, North, but since your argument has gone from "fanatical about guns" to "stockpile of firearms and ammo" to "keep a firearm in your emergency kit", are you sure you didn't just see the book cover and think you read it/mixed it with another zombie book's innards?


#95

Silent Bob

Silent Bob

I mean there is a chapter in the book called "On the Defensive", but the overall message I got was that no place should be considered a permanent residence. And Max Brooks makes a point that all conventional gung-ho tactics will get you killed.

Here. On page 70, there's a firearms list of things to stock up on, which includes things like 500 rifle rounds and 250 shotgun shells. I wouldn't really call that an excess; considering a box holds like 50 rounds. I'm not sure how having 20-30 boxes of ammo for a rifle and a pistol "America-centric". I would consider that a standard amount an average hunter would stock. Actually, claiming that being a gun-yahoo is an explicit American trait is downright insulting and comes off as really xenophobic.


#96

GasBandit

GasBandit

What does the survival guide say about surrounding my home with motion sensor activated treadmills all facing inward?



#97

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

So that's how running zombies evolved...


#98

Silent Bob

Silent Bob

GasBandit said:
What does the survival guide say about surrounding my home with motion sensor activated treadmills all facing inward?

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Sorry, I didn't mean to jump down anyone's throat. I just get really defensive about American sterotyping.



#99

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Quotemander Prime said:
Years ago, I was instructed by my stepdad not to let my brother play video games for more than an hour during the day. When his hour was up, I told him to do something else. He wandered aimlessly until I gave him a comic book to read that had just been released that week (Starslip Crisis volume 1). He had not visited that site and never seen that book before. But as if he thought he would get to play video games that way, he looked me in the eye and said, "Oh, I already read this one." I explained to him how that was impossible, but he stuck by what he'd said. I asked him what it was about and he described the cover, but didn't know what was on the inside.



Not saying you're a liar, North, but since your argument has gone from "fanatical about guns" to "stockpile of firearms and ammo" to "keep a firearm in your emergency kit", are you sure you didn't just see the book cover and think you read it/mixed it with another zombie book's innards?
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Take my expressions to contain a dose of hyperbole, okay? And seriously, Americans are more than a bit gun nut, at least compared to most Europeans. To me, the book's suggestion about having a rifle, a twelve-gauge shotgun, a pistol and a heavy crossbow along with suitable ammunition and various tools (silencers, various sights etc.) at home sounds quite "fanatical about guns", considering that even the most avid hunter in my extended circle of acquaintances owns only one or two hunting rifles, if memory serves. Page 70. Check it yourself.


#100

LordRendar

LordRendar

What does the Guide say about getting a Mountainbike as a means for transportation?


#101

Silent Bob

Silent Bob

North_Ranger said:
Take my expressions to contain a dose of hyperbole, okay? And seriously, Americans are more than a bit gun nut, at least compared to most Europeans. To me, the book's suggestion about having a rifle, a twelve-gauge shotgun, a pistol and a heavy crossbow along with suitable ammunition and various tools (silencers, various sights etc.) at home sounds quite "fanatical about guns", considering that even the most avid hunter in my extended circle of acquaintances owns only one or two hunting rifles, if memory serves. Page 70. Check it yourself.
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Just to be clear, we are talking about a book that's found in the comedy section of most bookstores (and a crossbow is not a gun). Rifle, shotgun, pistol - sounds like standard bear hunting gear to me.

I don't see why you keep assuming that it's fanatical to have three guns standard in a house and that it somehow translates to everyone in America being a gun-nut and that the book panders to that. Zombies are pretty popular right now as well as a lot of survivalist genres. I don't think it has anything to do with America's gun culture. Stockpiling weapons fits the description of the chapter (explains the crowbows etc...), but I don't think three guns is by any means excessive. I've never been to Finland, but would you like me to start making assumptions on your culture based on fictional books and stereotypes? Isn't that the definition of prejudice?

Is this a typical American according to your world view? I'm sure dudes like this exist in Finland too.



#102

Silent Bob

Silent Bob

LordRendar said:
What does the Guide say about getting a Mountainbike as a means for transportation?
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p. 108

"In a class by itself, this vehicle offers the best of both worlds. The common bicycle is fast, quiet, muscle-powered, and easy to maintain. Add to this the additional advantage that it is the only vehicle you can pick up and carry if the terrain gets too rough. People using bicycles to escape infested areas have almost always fared better than those on foot. For optimum performance, use a mountain bike.."

Thing is you'd be totally screwed with a bent rim or flat tire.


#103

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Silent Bob said:
I mean there is a chapter in the book called "On the Defensive", but the overall message I got was that no place should be considered a permanent residence. And Max Brooks makes a point that all conventional gung-ho tactics will get you killed.

Here. On page 70, there's a firearms list of things to stock up on, which includes things like 500 rifle rounds and 250 shotgun shells. I wouldn't really call that an excess; considering a box holds like 50 rounds. I'm not sure how having 20-30 boxes of ammo for a rifle and a pistol "America-centric". I would consider that a standard amount an average hunter would stock. Actually, claiming that being a gun-yahoo is an explicit American trait is downright insulting and comes off as really xenophobic.
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Aaaand I didn't read your post before I read it. Do remember, however, that gun legislation and gun ownership in general are treated very, very differently in Europe than in the States. I can't speak for the UK or France, though. My experience involves mostly Finnish gun legislation and gun ownership, and as I implied earlier, gun ownership is not as prolific over here as it is - according to my understanding - States-side. The gun legislation is also very strict over here, and likely to get stricter as there has been some pretty high-profile school shootings and other shooting incidents over here in the past few years.

Also consider the shit storm that - once again, according to my understanding - starts when people discuss the Second Amendment and what it means. Does it only apply to state militias/National Guard, or does it mean that every Tom, Dick and Harry has a god-given right to bear as much firepower they can carry and the government has no right to touch their stockpiles, thank you very much? Is it an archaic remnant of a bygone era, or is it the last line of defense against government power? Compare that highly emotional debate to what's happened over here: people don't really see the harder gun legislation as an issue.

So from the point of view of someone who can count people owning guns and the number of firearms they have among his extended circle of friends, family and family acquaintances with one hand, owning three different kinds of firearms and ammo (plus that heavy crossbow) and knowing how to use them sounds more than a little excessive.

Hell, to quote the Guide:


Americans have a special relationship with handguns. They seem to appear in every movie, every TV show, every pop novel, every comic book. Our heroes have always carried them, from the Old West lawman to the gritty urban cop. Gangsters rap about them; liberals and conservatives fight over them. Parents shelter children from them and manufacturers make untold fortunes from them. Possibly more than the automobile, the handgun is synonymous with America.
(P.47, emphasis mine)
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Even in World War Z, there are characters who actually point out such cultural dissimilarities when talking about such survival guides - yes, Max Brooks is pretty much saying that his own guide isn't supposed to be universal. If memory serves, the Japanese isolated-kid-turned-warrior-monk actually states that the part about firearms weren't that much of a help in heavily urbanized Japan where firearms were nowhere near as prolific as in the US.

I'm not trying to say that "being a gun-yahoo is an explicit American trait". I'm just saying that the whole big shebang about guns and gun ownership - downright fetishism, if you will pardon that earlier-stated preference of mine for hyperbole - is a much bigger deal in your side of the puddle than it is in here.


#104

Silent Bob

Silent Bob

I think Max Brooks plays on stereotypes and popular conjecture in both novels. That doesn't mean it's real. But then again, most popular culture is a big caricature of real life anyway. My point is not to get caught up thinking it's an actual representation.


#105

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Silent Bob said:
Just to be clear, we are talking about a book that's found in the comedy section of most bookstores (and a crossbow is not a gun). Rifle, shotgun, pistol - sounds like standard bear hunting gear to me.

I don't see why you keep assuming that it's fanatical to have three guns standard in a house and that it somehow translates to everyone in America being a gun-nut and that the book panders to that. Zombies are pretty popular right now as well as a lot of survivalist genres. I don't think it has anything to do with America's gun culture. Stockpiling weapons fits the description of the chapter (explains the crowbows etc...), but I don't think three guns is by any means excessive. I've never been to Finland, but would you like me to start making assumptions on your culture based on fictional books and stereotypes? Isn't that the definition of prejudice?

Is this a typical American according to your world view? I'm sure dudes like this exist in Finland too.

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I'm sure such "dudes" exist, but not in numbers and organization that they do in the States, I reckon. No NRA here, for instance.

Also... "everyone in America being a gun-nut"? Please. Your words, not mine. All I said - with my tongue firmly in my cheek - is that the book makes assumptions about gun ownership that are more American in nature than universal.

Jesus, man, I thought Silent Bob was supposed to be the one who could take a joke. I always thought that skinny weasel was the one with no funny bone.[DOUBLEPOST=1341426607][/DOUBLEPOST]
Silent Bob said:
Sorry, I didn't mean to jump down anyone's throat. I just get really defensive about American sterotyping.

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That's putting it lightly, O funnier of the two stoners.

But apology accepted. I hope you will accept mine as well. Once again, tongue firmly in the cheek, no harm intended.


#106

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

So, just so I'm clear, we're arguing over whether a guide in how to survive a fictional zombie outbreak is too American centric because it advises to stockpile weapons?


#107

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

Ravenpoe said:
So, just so I'm clear, we're arguing over whether a guide in how to survive a fictional zombie outbreak is too American centric because it advises to stockpile weapons?
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Fictional?
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#108

GasBandit

GasBandit

Shegokigo said:
Fictional?
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Not for long!


#109

LittleSin

LittleSin

I have read all this...and I' mnot sure if I laughing with amusement or horror over the gun conversation that just took place...over a fiction book.


#110

fade

fade

Forget zombies!!! There are vampires in Corpus Christi!

http://www.caller.com/news/2012/jul/05/vampire-corpus-christi-teen-bitten-neck-man/


#111

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

I've been to Corpus, that news doesn't surprise me in the least.


#112

GasBandit

GasBandit

Vampires. They really put the Corpus in Christi.

Oh god that was awful.


#113

fade

fade

GasBandit said:
Vampires. They really put the Corpus in Christi.

Oh god that was awful.
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You know, I thought about making that joke. Then I realized how silly it was. Thanks for proving me right. Heh.


#114

HowDroll

HowDroll

fade said:
Forget zombies!!! There are vampires in Corpus Christi!

http://www.caller.com/news/2012/jul/05/vampire-corpus-christi-teen-bitten-neck-man/
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That's silly. Vampires aren't real.

But lots of zombies bite people in the neck, you know.


#115

drifter

drifter

I knew this girl who thought vampires were real, but had gone extinct, and that's why there are so many vampire stories.

This is the same girl who was flabbergasted when I told her that unicorns were mythical.


#116

Bubble181

Bubble181

drifter said:
I knew this girl who thought vampires were real, but had gone extinct, and that's why there are so many vampire stories.

This is the same girl who was flabbergasted when I told her that unicorns were mythical.
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Fictional schmictional.



#117

PatrThom

PatrThom

drifter said:
I knew this girl who thought vampires were real, but had gone extinct, and that's why there are so many vampire stories.
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Hey, nobody really knows what the human genome lost in that near-extinction 70,000 years ago. Vampirism, magic, ESP, who knows?

--Patrick


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