"I'd rather risk rape than quit partying"

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GasBandit

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Frankly, there are few people I hold in lower regard than chronic "partiers." They're worthless human beings to a man (or woman), attempting to fill the emptiness inside with meaningless hedonism.

That said, this article is completely bonkers for entirely different reasons. It's the rambling confession of a completely broken man who has been absolutely brainwashed into the "all sex is rape and all men are rapists" mindset so common in today's quasifeminist circles. I'd like to draw attention to this paragraph in particular:

A friend of mine once told me about a girl who he knew for a fact had only had two drinks. He didn’t know she was on prescription medication that amplified those two drinks beyond all measure. He thought she was just very horny when she wouldn’t leave him alone or take “Are you okay?” for an answer. It wasn’t until she kept calling him by the wrong name and couldn’t remember the right one that he realized she was not able to consent, and called a halt to things before they went any further. He says he had to dissuade her from pursuing things further, because she was really into it, apart from not knowing who he was or where she was.

“Can you imagine?” he tells me in horrified tones. “I was almost a rapist.”
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That guy was not "almost a rapist," he is a man who went above and beyond the call of duty to figure out a woman had poisoned herself into being unable to control herself and took chivalrous and benevolent action. Presuming of course she knowingly took the pills, knowingly drank the drinks, she is not absolved of her actions. If, instead of attempting to initiate sex with that man, she instead robbed a bank. Would that be called an "impromptu accountless cash withdrawal" because she was not in control of herself, and would no charges be pressed?

This isn't to say there aren't bad people (both men and women) looking to prey on substance-addled, sexually vulnerable people, and that those people are both criminally and morally reprehensible. But the brush has gotten way too wide, and no substance abuser, be it drugs, alcohol, or spinning in a chair until dizzy, should be sheltered from the consequences of their actions simply because they're obliviating themselves for recreation, no matter how much better it can feel than being sober.
 
GasBandit

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Charlie Don't Surf said:
no, that guy was absolutely almost a rapist
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No, he was almost a regular guy in a confusing situation... but what he really turned out to be was a conscientious saint.

I hope folks find notarized legal consent forms in triplicate romantic, because that's the logical conclusion of this warped worldview.
 
GasBandit

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Charlie Don't Surf said:
There's no argument here, Gas believes having sex with someone who "doesn't know who she is or where she is" is consentual.
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Nice squelch attempt. No. Did the man give her the pill that rendered her such? No. Did he even know of its existence? No. This is information he absolutely had no access to, and thus could not be reasonably expected to use in deciding whether or not to fight off the aggressive, yet welcome, sexual advances of the woman in question. He went above and beyond due diligence in discerning her true mental state, and made the appropriate decision thereafter.

Only in bizarro-land should he be branded with the stigma of "almost-rapist."
 
blotsfan

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I mean, I don't think the author is that bad. I don't think the rape was legitimate, and it definitely wasn't "rape rape."
 
Silent Bob

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With what I’ve learned as an adult, I’m pretty sure I’m technically a rapist. Technically nothing. One woman told me herself. Our encounter was years before—I’d been in a drinking contest and she’d been drinking and flirting with me (yes, actually flirting) all evening. As blurry and fucked-up as I was, I read her kiss of congratulation to me as a stronger signal than it was, and with friends hooting and cheering us on, I pressed her up against a wall and… well. Call it rape or call it a particularly harsh third base, I walked away with the impression that it had been consensual, if not really sensible. (She had a boyfriend at the time, but their boundaries were fuzzy.)
Years later, she was in a recovery program—not for alcohol, ironically—and she got in touch with me during the part where she made peace with her past. She wanted to clarify that what had happened between us was without her consent, that it hurt her physically and emotionally, that it was, yes, rape.
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Uh, what? What the hell is harsh third base?​
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Silent Bob

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blotsfan said:
I mean, I don't think the author is that bad. I don't think the rape was legitimate, and it definitely wasn't "rape rape."
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I think he and the girl he fondled were both extremely drunk and had a weird situation. I'm not sure if she should have branded him a rapist for it. I'd go as far as calling it sexual harassment, but rape? Again, I'm not excusing his actions. I suppose his other examples are questionable, but I've always been of the mindset that someone is responsible for their own actions - both men and women. I don't understand why a drunk man is more to blame than a drunk woman?

Again, I'm not trying to be a rape apologist. There are people who certainly take advantage of incapacitated people, and that's wrong. I'm questioning why a man is in the wrong for having passed out possibly un consensual sex with an equally drunk woman? Aren't both people in the wrong ?

Why I do think he's a horrible person:

Some might think it’s monstrous of me to keep drinking, keep partying. But I have had so many good, positive, happy experiences because I took a chance and altered my state and connected with someone else sexually, it seems crazy to throw all that away. Do people who’ve been in car accidents give up driving?
When I sit down and think about it, it seems like I’ve accepted a certain amount of rape as the cost of doing business, and so have most of the people I know. And that seems like the most sick, fucked-up, broken solution to anything ever. And maybe finding it livable-with condemns us all to hell. I don’t know. I can’t even talk about it under my own name.
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He accepts the definition that he considers rape to be a drunken one night stand, and yet he'll still do it.
 
Hailey Knight

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I had to take medication that would've had severe effects if I drank alcohol while using it.

You know how I handled it? I DIDN'T DRINK ANY FUCKING ALCOHOL. Good gods, do these idiots realize you can kill yourself playing with that shit? Do not mix meds and alcohol.

Also, article guy is a shithead.
 
WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart

I have to agree with Quotemander Prime about not mixing meds with alcohol. There are not only warnings on the bottle, but when you fill the prescription you usually get a printout of information that details known side effects. I can't drink with the medication I'm on. So I don't drink. That female in the "almost a rapist" story blurb was an idiot.
 
GasBandit

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Officer_Charon said:
Man = rapist, uncontrollable, without morals. Haven't you been paying attention?
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Eh, I don't think that's an accurate summary of Charlie's viewpoint. It's not so much that all men are rapists as all women are rape victims. Thus he dashes into a nearby phone booth, taps his magical turtleshell rim glasses three times, and with a blast of rainbow-colored blinding light becomes...

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THE WHITE KNIGHT
 
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