Ravenpoe knows what's up. Pt2 (PSY's Gentlemen)

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Please share your ear cleaning experience with me, I think I might need it as well, and am curious as to how horrible the process is.
It's not horrible. It doesn't hurt, there's no pain, it's just weird feeling as fuck and very uncomfortable.

And when it's over, you say "Holy shit, -that- much came out of my ear?"
 
I have to say I'm a little shocked with the anti-US sentiment in South Korea. Since we make their high standard of living and freedom possible.
 
It looks like his feelings towards the US turned sour after a couple of korean schoolgirls were killed when they were hit by a US military vehicle, and the soldiers involved never faced any kinds of charges.

And then, of course, that whole Iraq War thing, when pretty much no one, including Americans, liked the US government. Well, except for maybe Toby Keith.
 
I have to say I'm a little shocked with the anti-US sentiment in South Korea. Since we make their high standard of living and freedom possible.

I worked with Koreans on a day-to-day basis for over two years in China and it's not just anti-US sentiment, it's pretty much anti-anything that isn't Korean sentiment.



Bill O'Reilly spews his usual xenophobic idiocy.
I don't agree with everything Bill O' says, but I wouldn't call him xenophobic. At least, not the xenophobia I'm familiar with.
 
"...without intelligible words..."

What a fucking idiot. Just because you can't speak Korean doesn't mean there aren't lyrics to the song, you fuckwit. My god, he's even more out of touch than I ever thought.
 


Bill O'Reilly spews his usual xenophobic idiocy.

Bill O'Reilly is flippantly dismissive, but not xenophobic, at least not in any way shown by this video. The psychiatrist he brought on to 'analyze' the video though seems a little out of touch. His basic claim is that if a music video in another language gains popularity among an audience that doesn't speak the language, it must be popular because the audience is seeking something without meaning. But artistic works carry the meaning that we reflect onto them. He must really wonder why that Picasso fellow got so popular, his portraits don't even look like real people!
 
"...without intelligible words..."

What a fucking idiot. Just because you can't speak Korean doesn't mean there aren't lyrics to the song, you fuckwit. My god, he's even more out of touch than I ever thought.
Keith Ablow said that, not O'reilly.

There *might* be a teeny, tiny little point though. How many out of those near 1 billion people could understand the Korean lyrics? To most people the lyrics were indeed intelligible. My girlfriend speaks not a wit of English and listens to a lot of English music, mostly for the beat or rhythm or general sound of the song. When I saw the video, I too, got nothing from the lyrics. Maybe Korean speakers liked it for the lyrics, but a whole lot of other people liked it for other reasons.
 
Keith Ablow said that, not O'reilly.

There *might* be a teeny, tiny little point though. How many out of those near 1 billion people could understand the Korean lyrics? To most people the lyrics were indeed intelligible. My girlfriend speaks not a wit of English and listens to a lot of English music, mostly for the beat or rhythm or general sound of the song. When I saw the video, I too, got nothing from the lyrics. Maybe Korean speakers liked it for the lyrics, but a whole lot of other people liked it for other reasons.
I like foreign pop music specifically because I don't speak the language. I can enjoy fun music without having to listen to how dumb the lyrics are. But that doesn't mean the entirety of the song is without meaning, any more than saying a musical composition without words at all has no meaning.
 
When I'm working on an activity that requires thinking and I want music in the background, I have to listen to wordless music, or foreign music. Gangnam is ok. Otherwise I'm too distracted by words I can actually understand.
 

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He's the one who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along and he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Knows not what it means and I say yeah
... That's "In Bloom," not Teen Spirit.

Teen Spirit is the one that goes

With the lights out, it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us
Acting stupid and contagious
Here we are now, entertain us
Yeah



... and I feel so very, very, VERY old.
 
... That's "In Bloom," not Teen Spirit.

Teen Spirit is the one that goes

With the lights out, it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us
Acting stupid and contagious
Here we are now, entertain us
Yeah



... and I feel so very, very, VERY old.
I know it's from in bloom. The song was written after the popularity of Teen Spirit, and was talking about all the new fans they had that didn't know what the lyrics meant.
 

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Really? I thought it was "It's the lifestyle, that sustains us."

Well I never claimed to be good with music.
Well, in all fairness, there's also disagreement as to whether it's "I feel stupid" or "Acting stupid."[DOUBLEPOST=1355418756][/DOUBLEPOST]
I know it's from in bloom. The song was written after the popularity of Teen Spirit, and was talking about all the new fans they had that didn't know what the lyrics meant.
Ahh. I was not aware of that subtext to the song. Really, by that point I'd accepted that most Nirvana songs were just word salad.
 
In bloom was on the same album as Teen Spirit. According to Wikipedia, the album was released two weeks after the single (9/24/91 vs 9/10/91). In Bloom was written and recorded well before the single for Teen Spirit was released.
 
In bloom was on the same album as Teen Spirit. According to Wikipedia, the album was released two weeks after the single (9/24/91 vs 9/10/91). In Bloom was written and recorded well before the single for Teen Spirit was released.
Ok, so it wasn't about teen spirit specifically, but the same message remains
 

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Despite being constantly accused of looking like him, I roll my eyes at Cobain's arbitrary hatred of popularity. Purposefully counter-aligning yourself is just as stupid as purposely crowd-following. Fuck the crowd altogether. That said, I kind of like the music, and they did open up the popular music world to a major genre shift.
 
I dunno about that Raven. Nirvana hadn't experienced much success, so them writing a song about "talking about all the new fans they had that didn't know what the lyrics meant" doesn't make a lot of sense. When you listen to Bleach, his lyrics didn't make much sense then, and that album didn't really see a lot of exposure until after Nevermind.

You're giving meaning to the lyrics that simply doesn't add up. I lived that era of music and it's a large influence on the music that I create, for better or for worse. Cobain had a knack for writing great melodies, but that didn't blow up until Butch Vig got a hold of them. Who knows what he really meant when he wrote In Bloom, but wide spread fandom not understanding the lyrics? Not so much.
 
I grew up with the music too, but it has been awhile, so my memory is just a little hazy. The meaning I attributed to the song, at least to that specific chorus, was that of people singing to the music without knowing what it means. Whether that was a problem they faced at the time of writing, or simply a perceived or feared outcome is irrelevant, I still thought it fit the subject at hand.

And I do, after all, know what's up!
 
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